Transgender congressperson calls for practical compromise on transgender policy

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yep. Democrats “barely mentioning” one of their non-negotiable policy stances looks dishonest. Democrats are the reason fishing tackle is sometimes spotted in girls’ bathrooms. We have to either drop it or own it. But the dishonest path of trying to have our cake and eat it too is killing us with voters. Even PRO-trans voters find the dishonesty off-putting.

So yeah, it isn't the Republicans fault that A) You have an unpopular non-negotiable policy stance and B) They are the ones that make this aware to the republic.

This is exactly what happens with immigration. Pro-immigration is an unpopular non-negotiable policy stance that Democrats have, and the Republicans are the primary source of information on what your policy stance is. Biden's immigration policy, "I'm not Trump", they then spent more time on immigration than anything else hundreds of executive orders. There they are trying to use reconciliation four times in a row to get amnesty. Meanwhile, they didn't do anything on their popular agenda items like minimum wage or whatever.

This is exactly right. Democrats are aggressive proponents of illegal immigration. They brought in MILLIONS of third world illegals in the past few years. But they lie about it a lot. So now voters resent Dems for illegal immigration AND for lying about it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sarah McBride tells Democrats to stop infighting and stop demanding ideological purity, and stop taking the bait from social conservatives and crushing themselves.


https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2025/03/sarah-mcbride-says-democrats-should-be-more-open-to-opponents-of-trans-rights/

Everyone has to make a sacrifice to get through difficult times.
Changing hearts and minds and social structures and physical facilities takes time.
Compromise on sports. Compromise on bathrooms.
"It's not fair" just isn't a strong enough argument. It's too subjective. Play to win, not be be a righteous loser.
Sometimes the better option is to wait out the old generation, not give them ammo to inflame a new generation. Sometimes you have to be a martyr for your cause, because you can't win by force of will.


Progressives, the goal is to make continual progress, not be rigid absolutists ther ignores the feelings and actual power of opponents. "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice. " -MLK

Be good, but be smart.
It's not too late.

Gen Z is far more conservative on this issue than the Millennials.

Transgender wasn't a thing when we were growing up. Gen Z has been exposed to it and doesn't like it. Are they going to show up at every girl's athletic event, look at me, look at me, I exist and I can jump higher, run faster, swim faster... That is going to get old real fast. Pretty soon all of professional women's sports are going to consist of transletes. Yes, there aren't that many trans people, but there aren't that many professional women athletes either.

Transgender absolutely was a thing when you were growing up. How did transgender people exist years ago? They moved. They changed their outward appearance as much as they could without hormones, and they moved locations. They lived in their new location as their new preferred gender. And oftentimes, those who did not move but chose to live as the opposite gender in their same location where they were born were beat and killed.

Transgender WAS a thing when you were growing up. Transgender wasn't as accepted as it is now.

Saying something wasn't a 'thing' back then is false. These people have always existed in some form, they just weren't accepted.

Spinsters = lesbians.
Your great aunt who lived with her roommate Agnes for 35 years? Lesbian.
Your uncle Tom who never married and brought different male friends to Thanksgiving dinner every few years? Gay.

They just weren't accepted by society, so they did what they needed to do to get by: they had lifelong roommates.

Depression, anxiety, ADD/ADHD, and autism have also always existed. They just weren't recognized by most of society. My dad never got any diagnosis of autism or OCD, but he's 76 years old and will have a meltdown if his food touches. He also has to eat his food in order. If he has mashed potatoes, steak, and green beans, he must eat all steak then all green beans and then all potatoes. He also needs to wipe down his fork after each food to prepare it for the next food. All items have a correct assigned place in our house, too. And again, if too many items get put back out of place = meltdown time. He has SO many other rituals he does daily, too. But when I was diagnosed with OCD and anxiety in my early 20s he said, "I don't know where you get this from. We don't have mental problems in our family." You. It's you, big guy.

+1 Wish I knew who you were, but you nailed it! I'm an older DCUM poster. When I was a teacher in a medium sized deep south city, two of my favorite school principals were roommates for 30+ years. Definitely lesbians who lived quiet, normal lives in a modest subdivision in a conservative area; and no one objected.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:TERFs and their “girls sports” allies deserve to be threatened. This is exactly what haooened with gay people. They used to have no rights. And it took muscular activism for them to seize their rights. Trans athletes are no different.

This is why only McBride can deliver this message. Any congresswoman who says it will be crucified as a TERF. McBride retains male privilege in this respect.

Good point. Klobuchar and Warren and AOC literally HAVE to support biological males in the girls’ room or they will be destroyed by angry tarns activists.

It’s not just that. Yes, they will be viciously targeted by trans activists. But they also need to fully own what they support. The lack of honesty is what is killing Democrats on this issue.

[Anonymous]

Some transgender athletes have been through a lot. They have a right to live their truth.
www.instagram.com/janaemariekroc/p/CASmXEEg8Gi

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sarah McBride tells Democrats to stop infighting and stop demanding ideological purity, and stop taking the bait from social conservatives and crushing themselves.


https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2025/03/sarah-mcbride-says-democrats-should-be-more-open-to-opponents-of-trans-rights/

Everyone has to make a sacrifice to get through difficult times.
Changing hearts and minds and social structures and physical facilities takes time.
Compromise on sports. Compromise on bathrooms.
"It's not fair" just isn't a strong enough argument. It's too subjective. Play to win, not be be a righteous loser.
Sometimes the better option is to wait out the old generation, not give them ammo to inflame a new generation. Sometimes you have to be a martyr for your cause, because you can't win by force of will.


Progressives, the goal is to make continual progress, not be rigid absolutists ther ignores the feelings and actual power of opponents. "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice. " -MLK

Be good, but be smart.
It's not too late.

Gen Z is far more conservative on this issue than the Millennials.

Transgender wasn't a thing when we were growing up. Gen Z has been exposed to it and doesn't like it. Are they going to show up at every girl's athletic event, look at me, look at me, I exist and I can jump higher, run faster, swim faster... That is going to get old real fast. Pretty soon all of professional women's sports are going to consist of transletes. Yes, there aren't that many trans people, but there aren't that many professional women athletes either.

Sports are unimportant.

Sports are obviously more important to transwomen and Democrats than winning elections is.

No dear. The overwhelming majority of transwomen want nothing to do with sports but the 10 who do get overhyped by the obsessive right wing.

[Anonymous]

Fair point. Agreed. Most transwomen don’t want to play girls’ sports (although many do want to use the girls’ locker room and/or bathroom). Politicians and partisan Dems are much more committed to the sports issue than most trans folks are. Typical. Politicians love signaling and they love making things worse.

[Anonymous]

+1 Wish I knew who you were, but you nailed it! I'm an older DCUM poster. When I was a teacher in a medium sized deep south city, two of my favorite school principals were roommates for 30+ years. Definitely lesbians who lived quiet, normal lives in a modest subdivision in a conservative area; and no one objected.

Also a teacher here. Also in Deep South at the time. In the case I observed it was a second grade teacher and the county Reading Supervisor. Nice women. Maybe people speculated privately, but not publicly. But, then, they weren't waving Pride flags and marching. And, maybe they were just roommates. I never asked. I worked with the second grade teacher.

Later, in another school system--but long ago, I worked with two gay men. One was "out," and one was not (came out later.) They were not partners. Kind of thought the one who was not "out" was gay, but we never discussed it and he was a good friend. That was his business, not mine. The other one brought his partner to social events.
But, this was long before we saw the rainbow flag.

[Anonymous]

It’s not enough for alternative sexualities to be “tolerated.” They need to be celebrated. Celebrate Pride.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sarah McBride tells Democrats to stop infighting and stop demanding ideological purity, and stop taking the bait from social conservatives and crushing themselves.


https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2025/03/sarah-mcbride-says-democrats-should-be-more-open-to-opponents-of-trans-rights/

Everyone has to make a sacrifice to get through difficult times.
Changing hearts and minds and social structures and physical facilities takes time.
Compromise on sports. Compromise on bathrooms.
"It's not fair" just isn't a strong enough argument. It's too subjective. Play to win, not be be a righteous loser.
Sometimes the better option is to wait out the old generation, not give them ammo to inflame a new generation. Sometimes you have to be a martyr for your cause, because you can't win by force of will.


Progressives, the goal is to make continual progress, not be rigid absolutists ther ignores the feelings and actual power of opponents. "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice. " -MLK

Be good, but be smart.
It's not too late.

Smart and true. Progressives listen and profit thereby!

[Anonymous]

Trans issues are funny and ridiculous by design. It’s agitprop. Of COURSE Lia Thomas flashes her male gens at her teammates. Of course she does. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10445679/Lia-Thomas-UPenn-teammate-says-trans-swimmer-doesnt-cover-genitals-locker-room.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailus

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

+1 Wish I knew who you were, but you nailed it! I'm an older DCUM poster. When I was a teacher in a medium sized deep south city, two of my favorite school principals were roommates for 30+ years. Definitely lesbians who lived quiet, normal lives in a modest subdivision in a conservative area; and no one objected.

Also a teacher here. Also in Deep South at the time. In the case I observed it was a second grade teacher and the county Reading Supervisor. Nice women. Maybe people speculated privately, but not publicly. But, then, they weren't waving Pride flags and marching. And, maybe they were just roommates. I never asked. I worked with the second grade teacher.

Later, in another school system--but long ago, I worked with two gay men. One was "out," and one was not (came out later.) They were not partners. Kind of thought the one who was not "out" was gay, but we never discussed it and he was a good friend. That was his business, not mine. The other one brought his partner to social events.
But, this was long before we saw the rainbow flag.

This is of course all true, but irrelevant. The question isn’t whether trans people existed. People who live across the gender spectrum have always existed.

The question now one of conflicting legal rights, and in particular how the conflict between rights for gender diverse people versus rights based on biological sex is resolved. Because these are directly conflicting, one will have to lose.

Gay rights isn’t quite analogous because gay rights was not in direct conflict with another set of rights for a different marginalized group. There were no zero sum outcomes for gay rights like there are for trans rights.

[Anonymous]

Transwomen are more marginalized, so it makes sense for Democrats to side with them. We have a long and proud history of standing up for marginalized communities. Bio women haven’t always had it easy, but at 50% of the population, they are not exactly an oppressed minority.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s not enough for alternative sexualities to be “tolerated.” They need to be celebrated. Celebrate Pride.

This is where Ds veer off course. Its like demanding Rs celebrate Black History. You can’t force feed values to people and shun them if they don’t agree. Sometimes its enough to tolerate the differences for now, and we celebrate as victories come with progress amongst everyone. There is so much work to do. Thats kinda the point of this thread.

#UnitedWeFight
#UnitedWeStand
#FactsMatter

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Transwomen are more marginalized, so it makes sense for Democrats to side with them. We have a long and proud history of standing up for marginalized communities. Bio women haven’t always had it easy, but at 50% of the population, they are not exactly an oppressed minority.

Do you believe oppression is solely based on population percentages? That is a fairly unique approach, particularly in the context of a population that won the right to vote long after men of all races did.

In any event, your position is indeed a position Democrats can take, but it makes it hard for them to argue that they are the party that fights for women’s rights. If, however, Democrats want to position themselves as elevating trans rights above sex-based rights, they need to be very clear that’s the position they are taking. Their current attempt to avoid the discussion at all does not work.

[Anonymous]

Facts Matter is a mistake. It sums up the smug attitudes of upper middle class striver Dems. Swing voters DO NOT AGREE that Democrats have a more accurate set of facts than swing voters, Republicans, or even MAGAs. We SO want to Lord it over stupid Trump voters, but we HAVE to resist the temptation.