Transgender congressperson calls for practical compromise on transgender policy

[Anonymous]

Lololol. That feeling when your political party is too extreme on trans issues for trans folk themselves! Wow! Democrats, HOW did we get here?!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sarah McBride tells Democrats to stop infighting and stop demanding ideological purity, and stop taking the bait from social conservatives and crushing themselves.


https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2025/03/sarah-mcbride-says-democrats-should-be-more-open-to-opponents-of-trans-rights/

Everyone has to make a sacrifice to get through difficult times.
Changing hearts and minds and social structures and physical facilities takes time.
Compromise on sports. Compromise on bathrooms.
"It's not fair" just isn't a strong enough argument. It's too subjective. Play to win, not be be a righteous loser.
Sometimes the better option is to wait out the old generation, not give them ammo to inflame a new generation. Sometimes you have to be a martyr for your cause, because you can't win by force of will.


Progressives, the goal is to make continual progress, not be rigid absolutists ther ignores the feelings and actual power of opponents. "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice. " -MLK

Be good, but be smart.
It's not too late.

Gen Z is far more conservative on this issue than the Millennials.

Transgender wasn't a thing when we were growing up. Gen Z has been exposed to it and doesn't like it. Are they going to show up at every girl's athletic event, look at me, look at me, I exist and I can jump higher, run faster, swim faster... That is going to get old real fast. Pretty soon all of professional women's sports are going to consist of transletes. Yes, there aren't that many trans people, but there aren't that many professional women athletes either.

Sports are unimportant.

The chance of a woman rising up the ranks is significantly higher if she was a college athlete.

80 percent of Fortune 500 executives and 94 percent of C-suite women were collegiate athletes.

Wait, so, what does that mean? Do we protect these opportunities for cis girls or for trans girls?

[Anonymous]

Oh hell NO.

No justice, no peace!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The issue with sports is that transgender kids end up not playing sports at all. So there has to be a nuanced conversation that we have to make space for transgender kids to participate in sports according to their gender identity. At the same time, at the highest levels of competition, it is fundamentally unfair and exclusionary to girls if a transgender girl is always winning. So where do you draw the line? In most states there is a process for addressing complaints of this sort and a decision can be made to prevent that individual from competing, which is unfortunate but probably necessary.

Of course, it is impossible to have a nuanced conversation about transgender people in sports with people who hate that transgender people exist at all.

But you are as rigid and lacking in nuance as the people you are criticizing. You frame the conversation as impossible to have with “people who hate that transgender people exist at all.”

But what about having the conversation with people who send graphic rape and death threats to female athletes that speak up? How can a nuanced conversation be had with people that think that female athletes that speak up on this issue deserve grotesquely graphic descriptions of their rape, torture, and death as penalty for speaking up? To be swatted? To have pizzas delivered to their houses anonymously, to have death threats left on their cars? Because this is what happens now to female athletes that speak up, including high school girls.

Yet you don’t acknowledge that at all. You refuse to see it, to even mention it. And therefore, your definition of “nuanced” is extremely suspect. You come to this conversation with such a deep bias against girls — rape threats against them aren’t even worth mentioning to you — that I don’t see how this nuanced conversation is even possible with people like you. You won’t even acknowledge what girls that speak up are forced to endure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sarah McBride tells Democrats to stop infighting and stop demanding ideological purity, and stop taking the bait from social conservatives and crushing themselves.


https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2025/03/sarah-mcbride-says-democrats-should-be-more-open-to-opponents-of-trans-rights/

Everyone has to make a sacrifice to get through difficult times.
Changing hearts and minds and social structures and physical facilities takes time.
Compromise on sports. Compromise on bathrooms.
"It's not fair" just isn't a strong enough argument. It's too subjective. Play to win, not be be a righteous loser.
Sometimes the better option is to wait out the old generation, not give them ammo to inflame a new generation. Sometimes you have to be a martyr for your cause, because you can't win by force of will.


Progressives, the goal is to make continual progress, not be rigid absolutists ther ignores the feelings and actual power of opponents. "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice. " -MLK

Be good, but be smart.
It's not too late.

Gen Z is far more conservative on this issue than the Millennials.

Transgender wasn't a thing when we were growing up. Gen Z has been exposed to it and doesn't like it. Are they going to show up at every girl's athletic event, look at me, look at me, I exist and I can jump higher, run faster, swim faster... That is going to get old real fast. Pretty soon all of professional women's sports are going to consist of transletes. Yes, there aren't that many trans people, but there aren't that many professional women athletes either.

This would actually be the ideal situation because then you could have competitions specifically for transgender women, while also having traditional women's sports. The problem right now is there are so few transgender women competing at this level there is not a critical mass to have competitions for them. I don't think that is likely to change, frankly, so I think you have to tell them they can compete with men if they are competing at high levels.

Various venues have opened transwomen categories. Transwomen refuse to enter.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think she is sick of being bullied and trying to neutralize the GOP’s genitalia obsession so we can move on.

I for one lost about 10% of my net worth since January and would prefer the GOP stop obliterating what is left.

Sarah McBride is a wise woman. She knows that the only way to neutralize the GOP’s genitalia obsession is for Democrats to back down. As ling as we keep advocating for trans folks, the GOP is going to “help us” publicize it.

It’s time to move on to the “quiet support” stage. We can look out for our people without making them a target. And we can certainly fire the bigots for “performance” issues and ice them out of social circles just like we’ve always done.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sarah McBride tells Democrats to stop infighting and stop demanding ideological purity, and stop taking the bait from social conservatives and crushing themselves.


https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2025/03/sarah-mcbride-says-democrats-should-be-more-open-to-opponents-of-trans-rights/

Everyone has to make a sacrifice to get through difficult times.
Changing hearts and minds and social structures and physical facilities takes time.
Compromise on sports. Compromise on bathrooms.
"It's not fair" just isn't a strong enough argument. It's too subjective. Play to win, not be be a righteous loser.
Sometimes the better option is to wait out the old generation, not give them ammo to inflame a new generation. Sometimes you have to be a martyr for your cause, because you can't win by force of will.


Progressives, the goal is to make continual progress, not be rigid absolutists ther ignores the feelings and actual power of opponents. "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice. " -MLK

Be good, but be smart.
It's not too late.

Gen Z is far more conservative on this issue than the Millennials.

I think this depends on who you talk to in Gen Z. My kids at college (one at WM, which is not a hotbed of liberalism gone off the rails) have trans friends and are comfortable with trans issues and would disagree that their friend who looks so feminine you wouldn’t know they were male from appearances should be in a men’s bathroom. They go in and out of women’s rooms all the time, and no one is the wiser, because no one is staring through the cracks in the stalls. I’m Gen X, and have learned a lot from listening to them (rather than lecturing them), but am much less comfortable with trans issues— because I knew no one out and trans until I was 40.

I think Gen Z with a college education is more progressive on trans issues than prior generations. And high school/community college, never left the red county kids are not. Just like I went to college, had gay friends, and have always been more comfortable with gay marriage and gay parents than my Boomer parents.

Once you are exposed to something, it becomes more humanized and less threatening. College exposes kids to things outside their town and high school. Which is why it threatens conservatives so much. Heaven forbid you have trans friends and begin to realize that they are human beings and not a real threat. Then you lose an effective culture war wedge issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sarah McBride tells Democrats to stop infighting and stop demanding ideological purity, and stop taking the bait from social conservatives and crushing themselves.


https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2025/03/sarah-mcbride-says-democrats-should-be-more-open-to-opponents-of-trans-rights/

Everyone has to make a sacrifice to get through difficult times.
Changing hearts and minds and social structures and physical facilities takes time.
Compromise on sports. Compromise on bathrooms.
"It's not fair" just isn't a strong enough argument. It's too subjective. Play to win, not be be a righteous loser.
Sometimes the better option is to wait out the old generation, not give them ammo to inflame a new generation. Sometimes you have to be a martyr for your cause, because you can't win by force of will.


Progressives, the goal is to make continual progress, not be rigid absolutists ther ignores the feelings and actual power of opponents. "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice. " -MLK

Be good, but be smart.
It's not too late.

Gen Z is far more conservative on this issue than the Millennials.

I think this depends on who you talk to in Gen Z. My kids at college (one at WM, which is not a hotbed of liberalism gone off the rails) have trans friends and are comfortable with trans issues and would disagree that their friend who looks so feminine you wouldn’t know they were male from appearances should be in a men’s bathroom. They go in and out of women’s rooms all the time, and no one is the wiser, because no one is staring through the cracks in the stalls. I’m Gen X, and have learned a lot from listening to them (rather than lecturing them), but am much less comfortable with trans issues— because I knew no one out and trans until I was 40.

I think Gen Z with a college education is more progressive on trans issues than prior generations. And high school/community college, never left the red county kids are not. Just like I went to college, had gay friends, and have always been more comfortable with gay marriage and gay parents than my Boomer parents.

Once you are exposed to something, it becomes more humanized and less threatening. College exposes kids to things outside their town and high school. Which is why it threatens conservatives so much. Heaven forbid you have trans friends and begin to realize that they are human beings and not a real threat. Then you lose an effective culture war wedge issue.

+1. And let’s just say the obvious: it’s not the fault of the trans kids (or the gay kids before them) that the “left-behinds” are facing increasingly dire odds of having a middle class life. But their full throated support of people who use this as a wedge issue does play a huge role in why they will never get ahead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The issue with sports is that transgender kids end up not playing sports at all. So there has to be a nuanced conversation that we have to make space for transgender kids to participate in sports according to their gender identity. At the same time, at the highest levels of competition, it is fundamentally unfair and exclusionary to girls if a transgender girl is always winning. So where do you draw the line? In most states there is a process for addressing complaints of this sort and a decision can be made to prevent that individual from competing, which is unfortunate but probably necessary.

Of course, it is impossible to have a nuanced conversation about transgender people in sports with people who hate that transgender people exist at all.

But you are as rigid and lacking in nuance as the people you are criticizing. You frame the conversation as impossible to have with “people who hate that transgender people exist at all.”

But what about having the conversation with people who send graphic rape and death threats to female athletes that speak up? How can a nuanced conversation be had with people that think that female athletes that speak up on this issue deserve grotesquely graphic descriptions of their rape, torture, and death as penalty for speaking up? To be swatted? To have pizzas delivered to their houses anonymously, to have death threats left on their cars? Because this is what happens now to female athletes that speak up, including high school girls.

Yet you don’t acknowledge that at all. You refuse to see it, to even mention it. And therefore, your definition of “nuanced” is extremely suspect. You come to this conversation with such a deep bias against girls — rape threats against them aren’t even worth mentioning to you — that I don’t see how this nuanced conversation is even possible with people like you. You won’t even acknowledge what girls that speak up are forced to endure.

Lots of problems with this:

- I have no idea who sends graphic rape and death threats to female athletes that speak up. You don't either but somehow claim to have argued with these people? Come on. I don't support rape or death threats for anybody, and I'm not aware of any elected official that supports these threats. I also know that transgender people have throughout history been subject to horrific acts of violence (they didn't stop at threats), which you seem to not give an actual f*k about.
- And of course you've successfully changed the subject from policies for transgender sports participation to rape and death threats. Which one of us is willing to have a nuanced conversation about the former? Certainly not you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sarah McBride tells Democrats to stop infighting and stop demanding ideological purity, and stop taking the bait from social conservatives and crushing themselves.


https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2025/03/sarah-mcbride-says-democrats-should-be-more-open-to-opponents-of-trans-rights/

Everyone has to make a sacrifice to get through difficult times.
Changing hearts and minds and social structures and physical facilities takes time.
Compromise on sports. Compromise on bathrooms.
"It's not fair" just isn't a strong enough argument. It's too subjective. Play to win, not be be a righteous loser.
Sometimes the better option is to wait out the old generation, not give them ammo to inflame a new generation. Sometimes you have to be a martyr for your cause, because you can't win by force of will.


Progressives, the goal is to make continual progress, not be rigid absolutists ther ignores the feelings and actual power of opponents. "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice. " -MLK

Be good, but be smart.
It's not too late.

Gen Z is far more conservative on this issue than the Millennials.

Transgender wasn't a thing when we were growing up. Gen Z has been exposed to it and doesn't like it. Are they going to show up at every girl's athletic event, look at me, look at me, I exist and I can jump higher, run faster, swim faster... That is going to get old real fast. Pretty soon all of professional women's sports are going to consist of transletes. Yes, there aren't that many trans people, but there aren't that many professional women athletes either.

This would actually be the ideal situation because then you could have competitions specifically for transgender women, while also having traditional women's sports. The problem right now is there are so few transgender women competing at this level there is not a critical mass to have competitions for them. I don't think that is likely to change, frankly, so I think you have to tell them they can compete with men if they are competing at high levels.

Various venues have opened transwomen categories. Transwomen refuse to enter.

I'd love to learn more about this. Can you share a link to more information? Or are you just making this up?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ignorant, irrational hotheads like PP would rather rage against their delusional fever dreams than find peaceful coexistence in reality. It's terrible but that's where we are.

No, the problem is that it is only women that are being forced to “comprise”.
And by comprise, I mean being to move aside and make room for men.

I won’t do it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The issue with sports is that transgender kids end up not playing sports at all. So there has to be a nuanced conversation that we have to make space for transgender kids to participate in sports according to their gender identity. At the same time, at the highest levels of competition, it is fundamentally unfair and exclusionary to girls if a transgender girl is always winning. So where do you draw the line? In most states there is a process for addressing complaints of this sort and a decision can be made to prevent that individual from competing, which is unfortunate but probably necessary.

Of course, it is impossible to have a nuanced conversation about transgender people in sports with people who hate that transgender people exist at all.

But you are as rigid and lacking in nuance as the people you are criticizing. You frame the conversation as impossible to have with “people who hate that transgender people exist at all.”

But what about having the conversation with people who send graphic rape and death threats to female athletes that speak up? How can a nuanced conversation be had with people that think that female athletes that speak up on this issue deserve grotesquely graphic descriptions of their rape, torture, and death as penalty for speaking up? To be swatted? To have pizzas delivered to their houses anonymously, to have death threats left on their cars? Because this is what happens now to female athletes that speak up, including high school girls.

Yet you don’t acknowledge that at all. You refuse to see it, to even mention it. And therefore, your definition of “nuanced” is extremely suspect. You come to this conversation with such a deep bias against girls — rape threats against them aren’t even worth mentioning to you — that I don’t see how this nuanced conversation is even possible with people like you. You won’t even acknowledge what girls that speak up are forced to endure.

I actually don’t know a single cis girl that has experienced this, but I personally know several trans women who have nothing to do with sports at all that have received this treatment. So maybe stop projecting or confusing what you think you heard?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ignorant, irrational hotheads like PP would rather rage against their delusional fever dreams than find peaceful coexistence in reality. It's terrible but that's where we are.

No, the problem is that it is only women that are being forced to “comprise”.
And by comprise, I mean being to move aside and make room for men.

I won’t do it.

Great. I hope your Republic and your future was worth it. Your Heritage Society Overlords would like you to get back in the kitchen and make babies now like God intended.

[Anonymous]

The recent explosion if transgenderism among affluent suburban schoolkids sanitizes and obscures some of the really dark things that urban trans folks experience. Suicide is a huge problem. As is violence against trans sex workers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The issue with sports is that transgender kids end up not playing sports at all. So there has to be a nuanced conversation that we have to make space for transgender kids to participate in sports according to their gender identity. At the same time, at the highest levels of competition, it is fundamentally unfair and exclusionary to girls if a transgender girl is always winning. So where do you draw the line? In most states there is a process for addressing complaints of this sort and a decision can be made to prevent that individual from competing, which is unfortunate but probably necessary.

Of course, it is impossible to have a nuanced conversation about transgender people in sports with people who hate that transgender people exist at all.

No one cares that they exist. We care about fairness and keeping women and girls on equal footing.

Trans girls can play on the boys team. That is the nuance and compromise.