Transgender congressperson calls for practical compromise on transgender policy

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ignorant, irrational hotheads like PP would rather rage against their delusional fever dreams than find peaceful coexistence in reality. It's terrible but that's where we are.

No, the problem is that it is only women that are being forced to “comprise”.
And by comprise, I mean being to move aside and make room for men.

I won’t do it.

Great. I hope your Republic and your future was worth it. Your Heritage Society Overlords would like you to get back in the kitchen and make babies now like God intended.

Trans hardliners are the ones who helped Trump win all the swing voters. When a transgender member of Congress is begging you to tone it down, you miiiiight want to consider your own impact on the Republic

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sarah McBride tells Democrats to stop infighting and stop demanding ideological purity, and stop taking the bait from social conservatives and crushing themselves.


https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2025/03/sarah-mcbride-says-democrats-should-be-more-open-to-opponents-of-trans-rights/

Everyone has to make a sacrifice to get through difficult times.
Changing hearts and minds and social structures and physical facilities takes time.
Compromise on sports. Compromise on bathrooms.
"It's not fair" just isn't a strong enough argument. It's too subjective. Play to win, not be be a righteous loser.
Sometimes the better option is to wait out the old generation, not give them ammo to inflame a new generation. Sometimes you have to be a martyr for your cause, because you can't win by force of will.


Progressives, the goal is to make continual progress, not be rigid absolutists ther ignores the feelings and actual power of opponents. "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice. " -MLK

Be good, but be smart.
It's not too late.

Gen Z is far more conservative on this issue than the Millennials.

Transgender wasn't a thing when we were growing up. Gen Z has been exposed to it and doesn't like it. Are they going to show up at every girl's athletic event, look at me, look at me, I exist and I can jump higher, run faster, swim faster... That is going to get old real fast. Pretty soon all of professional women's sports are going to consist of transletes. Yes, there aren't that many trans people, but there aren't that many professional women athletes either.

Sports are unimportant.

The chance of a woman rising up the ranks is significantly higher if she was a college athlete.

80 percent of Fortune 500 executives and 94 percent of C-suite women were collegiate athletes.

Won’t someone please think of the trans women they are displacing!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The issue with sports is that transgender kids end up not playing sports at all. So there has to be a nuanced conversation that we have to make space for transgender kids to participate in sports according to their gender identity. At the same time, at the highest levels of competition, it is fundamentally unfair and exclusionary to girls if a transgender girl is always winning. So where do you draw the line? In most states there is a process for addressing complaints of this sort and a decision can be made to prevent that individual from competing, which is unfortunate but probably necessary.

Of course, it is impossible to have a nuanced conversation about transgender people in sports with people who hate that transgender people exist at all.

No one cares that they exist. We care about fairness and keeping women and girls on equal footing.

Trans girls can play on the boys team. That is the nuance and compromise.

liar https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-politics-and-policy/texas-bill-identify-transgender-state-felony-rcna195642

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think she is sick of being bullied and trying to neutralize the GOP’s genitalia obsession so we can move on.

I for one lost about 10% of my net worth since January and would prefer the GOP stop obliterating what is left.

Sarah McBride is a wise woman. She knows that the only way to neutralize the GOP’s genitalia obsession is for Democrats to back down. As ling as we keep advocating for trans folks, the GOP is going to “help us” publicize it.

It’s time to move on to the “quiet support” stage. We can look out for our people without making them a target. And we can certainly fire the bigots for “performance” issues and ice them out of social circles just like we’ve always done.

Aside from the hardcore trans activists, Dems HAVE been in the quiet support stage. But we have to go even quieter. We have to tell our trans folks that we’re temporarily taking girls’ sports away from them. If we don’t do that, the GOP will make sure our “quiet support” is LOUDLY publicized.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ignorant, irrational hotheads like PP would rather rage against their delusional fever dreams than find peaceful coexistence in reality. It's terrible but that's where we are.

No, the problem is that it is only women that are being forced to “comprise”.
And by comprise, I mean being to move aside and make room for men.

I won’t do it.

Great. I hope your Republic and your future was worth it. Your Heritage Society Overlords would like you to get back in the kitchen and make babies now like God intended.

Making babies. A task only women can do. Glad we finally agree on something.

[Anonymous]

I admire the attempt to change the dialogue. That takes courage and is admirable.

But I don’t think it will work because this is at heart an issue of conflicting legal rights. The Democrats and trans rights activists have taken the position that gender-based rights are more important than sex-based rights, and that gender identity is more important than sex. That isn’t just a philosophical position, it’s a legal position.

Sex-based rights and gender-based rights are in direct conflict, something that is particularly clear in sports because of the zero sum outcome. There isn’t really a world where “nuance” resolves the issue because at the end of the day, these are directly conflicting rights. If you prioritize gender-based rights like the Democrats, you have to accept the consequences of that, up to and including transwomen dominating in women’s sports. If you prioritize sex-based rights, you have to accept the consequences of that, which includes transwomen being barred from women’s sports.

This is not a conversation Democrats have been willing to have, probably because they haven’t brought the electorate along with them in placing gender-based rights as more important and more worthy than sex-based rights. But it is the heart of the issue.

[Anonymous]

TERFs and their “girls sports” allies deserve to be threatened. This is exactly what haooened with gay people. They used to have no rights. And it took muscular activism for them to seize their rights. Trans athletes are no different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The recent explosion if transgenderism among affluent suburban schoolkids sanitizes and obscures some of the really dark things that urban trans folks experience. Suicide is a huge problem. As is violence against trans sex workers.

I have a good friend who is struggling with their son becoming their daughter in college. And this friend has chosen to fully embrace it because of what the suicide numbers show. That trans kids who are not able to transition and don’t get support a home have a really high suicide rate. It’s much, much lower among kids who are allowed to transition and whose parents support them. This friend isn’t really all that comfortable with her newly trans kids but, she loves them enough not to want them dead.

If you have suicide numbers showing something else, please post them.

https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2024/09/25/nx-s1-5127347/more-trans-teens-attempted-suicide-after-states-passed-anti-trans-laws-a-study-shows

https://www.hcplive.com/view/suicide-risk-reduces-73-transgender-nonbinary-youths-gender-affirming-care

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ignorant, irrational hotheads like PP would rather rage against their delusional fever dreams than find peaceful coexistence in reality. It's terrible but that's where we are.

No, the problem is that it is only women that are being forced to “comprise”.
And by comprise, I mean being to move aside and make room for men.

I won’t do it.

Great. I hope your Republic and your future was worth it. Your Heritage Society Overlords would like you to get back in the kitchen and make babies now like God intended.

Making babies. A task only women can do. Glad we finally agree on something.

Trans folks can make babies, bigot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sarah McBride tells Democrats to stop infighting and stop demanding ideological purity, and stop taking the bait from social conservatives and crushing themselves.


https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2025/03/sarah-mcbride-says-democrats-should-be-more-open-to-opponents-of-trans-rights/

Everyone has to make a sacrifice to get through difficult times.
Changing hearts and minds and social structures and physical facilities takes time.
Compromise on sports. Compromise on bathrooms.
"It's not fair" just isn't a strong enough argument. It's too subjective. Play to win, not be be a righteous loser.
Sometimes the better option is to wait out the old generation, not give them ammo to inflame a new generation. Sometimes you have to be a martyr for your cause, because you can't win by force of will.


Progressives, the goal is to make continual progress, not be rigid absolutists ther ignores the feelings and actual power of opponents. "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice. " -MLK

Be good, but be smart.
It's not too late.

Gen Z is far more conservative on this issue than the Millennials.

Do we have to let them vote?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:TERFs and their “girls sports” allies deserve to be threatened. This is exactly what haooened with gay people. They used to have no rights. And it took muscular activism for them to seize their rights. Trans athletes are no different.

TROLL ALERT

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think she is sick of being bullied and trying to neutralize the GOP’s genitalia obsession so we can move on.

I for one lost about 10% of my net worth since January and would prefer the GOP stop obliterating what is left.

Sarah McBride is a wise woman. She knows that the only way to neutralize the GOP’s genitalia obsession is for Democrats to back down. As ling as we keep advocating for trans folks, the GOP is going to “help us” publicize it.

It’s time to move on to the “quiet support” stage. We can look out for our people without making them a target. And we can certainly fire the bigots for “performance” issues and ice them out of social circles just like we’ve always done.

Aside from the hardcore trans activists, Dems HAVE been in the quiet support stage. But we have to go even quieter. We have to tell our trans folks that we’re temporarily taking girls’ sports away from them. If we don’t do that, the GOP will make sure our “quiet support” is LOUDLY publicized.

they will do it anyway

offense is the best defense. Dems need bold proposals to help working people and attacks on GOP policies intended to enrich billionaires.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The recent explosion if transgenderism among affluent suburban schoolkids sanitizes and obscures some of the really dark things that urban trans folks experience. Suicide is a huge problem. As is violence against trans sex workers.

I have a good friend who is struggling with their son becoming their daughter in college. And this friend has chosen to fully embrace it because of what the suicide numbers show. That trans kids who are not able to transition and don’t get support a home have a really high suicide rate. It’s much, much lower among kids who are allowed to transition and whose parents support them. This friend isn’t really all that comfortable with her newly trans kids but, she loves them enough not to want them dead.

If you have suicide numbers showing something else, please post them.

https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2024/09/25/nx-s1-5127347/more-trans-teens-attempted-suicide-after-states-passed-anti-trans-laws-a-study-shows

https://www.hcplive.com/view/suicide-risk-reduces-73-transgender-nonbinary-youths-gender-affirming-care

It’s too politicized now for me to trust recent “numbers.” But about a decade ago, the numbers showed something else. That people who physically transitioned witb gender affirming care hormones and surgeries ALSO had very high suicide rates. We all care more about partisanship than about kids, so we WANT to believe that trans suicide is caused by unsupportive conservative parents. But suicide is an extreme act, FAR more correlated with one’s own mental health than with one’s parents’ politics.

[Anonymous]

Why not create two division in sports "open" for any gender or sex. And "female at birth."

Trans athletes would then have the option to participate in the "open" division.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The issue with sports is that transgender kids end up not playing sports at all. So there has to be a nuanced conversation that we have to make space for transgender kids to participate in sports according to their gender identity. At the same time, at the highest levels of competition, it is fundamentally unfair and exclusionary to girls if a transgender girl is always winning. So where do you draw the line? In most states there is a process for addressing complaints of this sort and a decision can be made to prevent that individual from competing, which is unfortunate but probably necessary.

Of course, it is impossible to have a nuanced conversation about transgender people in sports with people who hate that transgender people exist at all.

No one cares that they exist. We care about fairness and keeping women and girls on equal footing.

Trans girls can play on the boys team. That is the nuance and compromise.

Exactly. Or they can form elite trans teams. There are plenty of girls that play on boys teams. Girls teams should remain girls teams from middle school on when puberty starts.

If they just accepted this, I'm sure a lot of elementary programs would actually switch to being coed and there would be a robust coed program at the elementary level and then a child could decide how important the sport was whether they wanted to continue on an elite path or just do a sport for fun.