Pledge of Allegiance in HS

[Anonymous]

I am a HS teacher who thinks reciting the pledge is a empty expression of false patriotism.

BUT at my school, the pledge is led by students who are in the developmentally challenged center. The joy that these kids have getting to say the pledge on the PA to the entire school is heart warming.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is an atheist. He says the pledge but does not say "under God." I have zero issues with kids not saying it. It feels a little weird to be requiring school children to pledge their allegiance to this country every morning.

The money he uses and asks you for says In God We Trust so I guess he isn't asking for anymore money?

Teehee

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am a HS teacher who thinks reciting the pledge is a empty expression of false patriotism.

If the pledge is not forced on teens to say, what makes you think that it's an empty expression of false patriotism if a teen choses to get up and say it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I stand for it, but haven't recited it since March 12, 2020.

What changed for you on March 12, 2020?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we requiring/recommending that kids recite the pledge every morning, but we are not requiring/recommending adults to do so? (Unless they work in a school system.)

Here is part of the state law, FWIW:

Each school board shall require the daily recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance in each classroom of the school division and shall ensure that the flag of the United States is in place in each such classroom. Each school board shall determine the appropriate time during the school day for the recitation of the Pledge. During such Pledge of Allegiance, students shall stand and recite the Pledge while facing the flag with their right hands over their hearts or in an appropriate salute if in uniform; however, no student shall be compelled to recite the Pledge if he, his parent or legal guardian objects on religious, philosophical or other grounds to his participating in this exercise. Students who are thus exempt from reciting the Pledge shall remain quietly standing or sitting at their desks while others recite the Pledge and shall make no display that disrupts or distracts others who are reciting the Pledge. School boards shall provide appropriate accommodations for students who are unable to comply with the procedures described herein due to disability.

Obviously, I get that there is a law. I'm saying that it shouldn't even be that. If adults had to stand and say it every day, I guarantee they would clamor to get rid of it.

+1 Seriously. Adults don't understand what a monotonous, silly thing it is to do every morning, day after day after day after day after day after day after day for years....

[Anonymous]

This is not new. When I was in high school 20ish years ago I and most of the class did not say the pledge allegiance. Just respectfully let the people who want to do it and then move on with our day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are we requiring/recommending that kids recite the pledge every morning, but we are not requiring/recommending adults to do so? (Unless they work in a school system.)

Here is part of the state law, FWIW:

Each school board shall require the daily recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance in each classroom of the school division and shall ensure that the flag of the United States is in place in each such classroom. Each school board shall determine the appropriate time during the school day for the recitation of the Pledge. During such Pledge of Allegiance, students shall stand and recite the Pledge while facing the flag with their right hands over their hearts or in an appropriate salute if in uniform; however, no student shall be compelled to recite the Pledge if he, his parent or legal guardian objects on religious, philosophical or other grounds to his participating in this exercise. Students who are thus exempt from reciting the Pledge shall remain quietly standing or sitting at their desks while others recite the Pledge and shall make no display that disrupts or distracts others who are reciting the Pledge. School boards shall provide appropriate accommodations for students who are unable to comply with the procedures described herein due to disability.

Obviously, I get that there is a law. I'm saying that it shouldn't even be that. If adults had to stand and say it every day, I guarantee they would clamor to get rid of it.

PP here. I only posted for informational purposes. I don’t disagree with you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I stand for it, but haven't recited it since March 12, 2020.

What changed for you on March 12, 2020?

NP. MCPS announced school closures for the Covid-19 pandemic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are we requiring/recommending that kids recite the pledge every morning, but we are not requiring/recommending adults to do so? (Unless they work in a school system.)

Here is part of the state law, FWIW:

Each school board shall require the daily recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance in each classroom of the school division and shall ensure that the flag of the United States is in place in each such classroom. Each school board shall determine the appropriate time during the school day for the recitation of the Pledge. During such Pledge of Allegiance, students shall stand and recite the Pledge while facing the flag with their right hands over their hearts or in an appropriate salute if in uniform; however, no student shall be compelled to recite the Pledge if he, his parent or legal guardian objects on religious, philosophical or other grounds to his participating in this exercise. Students who are thus exempt from reciting the Pledge shall remain quietly standing or sitting at their desks while others recite the Pledge and shall make no display that disrupts or distracts others who are reciting the Pledge. School boards shall provide appropriate accommodations for students who are unable to comply with the procedures described herein due to disability.

Obviously, I get that there is a law. I'm saying that it shouldn't even be that. If adults had to stand and say it every day, I guarantee they would clamor to get rid of it.

+1 Seriously. Adults don't understand what a monotonous, silly thing it is to do every morning, day after day after day after day after day after day after day for years....

I’m the PP who quoted state law. I’m 100% with you. As an ES teacher I heard it every day, 180 days a year for 30 years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When I was in HS we were required to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. I guess I never really considered that in HS today kids don't need to stand and they don't need to recite it. Teachers can't enforce it and it is of course a right of freedom of expression. On 9/11 my child and 1 of 2 teachers took the time to stand and recite the pledge out of the 30ish people in the class. The one teacher that recited it said "really even on 9/11". What a change...

It’s a creepy form of indoctrination, like something North Korea would do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Half of my kids’ school either isn’t American at all or has dual citizenship with another country as mine do. I hope my kids aren’t pledging allegiance.

Huh?? What does this even mean? How do you know who has what citizenship and whatnot? Why are you even here if you hope your kids aren't pledging allegiance? Why don't you just go back to Russia or China or whatever your citizenship is?

And that was really your entire intent behind starting this thread. You just wanted to tell people "to go back where they came from." It isn't going to happen. We are here legally, naturalized citizens of this country and citizens by birth of another. I have no desire to recite the pledge to this country or any other. This blid nationalism has got to go. Spend your energy working on real issues such as lack of access to health care, or a living wage for all of our citizens instead of this BS.

Hm… Was that your attitude during your naturalization ceremony, or were you just performing?

https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/learn-about-citizenship/the-naturalization-interview-and-test/naturalization-oath-of-allegiance-to-the-united-states-of-america

Indeed, courts have ruled that the Naturalization Oath is meaningless, same as they have ruled for the Pledge and the "In God We Trust" motto.

https://www.justia.com/immigration/naturalization-citizenship/dual-citizenship/

[Anonymous]

Should be followed every day in every FCPS school - Each school board shall determine the appropriate time during the school day for the recitation of the Pledge. During such Pledge of Allegiance, students shall stand and recite the Pledge while facing the flag with their right hands over their hearts or in an appropriate salute if in uniform; however, no student shall be compelled to recite the Pledge if he, his parent or legal guardian objects on religious, philosophical or other grounds to his participating in this exercise. Students who are thus exempt from reciting the Pledge shall remain quietly standing or sitting at their desks while others recite the Pledge and shall make no display that disrupts or distracts others who are reciting the Pledge. School boards shall provide appropriate accommodations for students who are unable to comply with the procedures described herein due to disability.

America, love it or leave it!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Half of my kids’ school either isn’t American at all or has dual citizenship with another country as mine do. I hope my kids aren’t pledging allegiance.

Huh?? What does this even mean? How do you know who has what citizenship and whatnot? Why are you even here if you hope your kids aren't pledging allegiance? Why don't you just go back to Russia or China or whatever your citizenship is?

And that was really your entire intent behind starting this thread. You just wanted to tell people "to go back where they came from." It isn't going to happen. We are here legally, naturalized citizens of this country and citizens by birth of another. I have no desire to recite the pledge to this country or any other. This blid nationalism has got to go. Spend your energy working on real issues such as lack of access to health care, or a living wage for all of our citizens instead of this BS.

Hm… Was that your attitude during your naturalization ceremony, or were you just performing?

https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/learn-about-citizenship/the-naturalization-interview-and-test/naturalization-oath-of-allegiance-to-the-united-states-of-america

Indeed, courts have ruled that the Naturalization Oath is meaningless, same as they have ruled for the Pledge and the "In God We Trust" motto.

https://www.justia.com/immigration/naturalization-citizenship/dual-citizenship/

Hm. I don’t understand what you mean with your comment. This is from the document you linked and it says the opposite:

… At the same time, dual citizenship does not mean that you are excused from obeying U.S. laws or otherwise upholding the commitment in the naturalization oath.[b]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Should be followed every day in every FCPS school - Each school board shall determine the appropriate time during the school day for the recitation of the Pledge. During such Pledge of Allegiance, students shall stand and recite the Pledge while facing the flag with their right hands over their hearts or in an appropriate salute if in uniform; however, no student shall be compelled to recite the Pledge if he, his parent or legal guardian objects on religious, philosophical or other grounds to his participating in this exercise. Students who are thus exempt from reciting the Pledge shall remain quietly standing or sitting at their desks while others recite the Pledge and shall make no display that disrupts or distracts others who are reciting the Pledge. School boards shall provide appropriate accommodations for students who are unable to comply with the procedures described herein due to disability.

America, love it or leave it!

They do do this. You have no beef here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Should be followed every day in every FCPS school - Each school board shall determine the appropriate time during the school day for the recitation of the Pledge. During such Pledge of Allegiance, students shall stand and recite the Pledge while facing the flag with their right hands over their hearts or in an appropriate salute if in uniform; however, no student shall be compelled to recite the Pledge if he, his parent or legal guardian objects on religious, philosophical or other grounds to his participating in this exercise. Students who are thus exempt from reciting the Pledge shall remain quietly standing or sitting at their desks while others recite the Pledge and shall make no display that disrupts or distracts others who are reciting the Pledge. School boards shall provide appropriate accommodations for students who are unable to comply with the procedures described herein due to disability.

America, love it or leave it!

These are not the rules, or conditions for living America, sweetie. So you can take your direction and stick it where the fascist sun shines for you.