If you are moderate Dem, would you consider an establishment Republican in 2024? Why/why not

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Anonymous wrote:If you are a moderate Democrat or centrist independent, and voted for Biden, Hillary, and/or Obama:

Would you consider an establishment Republican, like Nikki Haley, in 2024? If so, why?
Do you consider Ron Desantis an establishment Republican and would you consider voting for him?

If yes, what issues do you think Democrats are more extreme on than Nikki Haley/Ron Desantis/Kristi Noem/Mike Pence? Please be SPECIFIC. For example, rather than saying "government spending," please specify spending on WHAT exactly, and what would be your alternative?

I'm interested in your perspective and specifics to really hear from actual moderate Democrats who feel that not only has the Democratic Party gone too far left, but that the mainstream GOP is closer to the center... and that people who say this aren't actually gaslighting and have always actually been Republicans.

I'm a normie center-left Dem, and there are definitely some things that progressives do and say that are annoying, but I a) don't see the crazy progressive ideas every being legislated and b) don't think they're as harmful as right wing policies, just annoying. Things like "woke" pandering and using words like LatinX, and culture war stuff. I think the right obsesses more about that anyways. And I don't think full student loan forgiveness is a good idea but nobody with any power is proposing that either. But I'm willing to hear from others on their perspective as to how the progressive left things that I consider mildly annoying are actually more harmful than what most Republicans are proposing.

Nikki Haley is not a moderate republican.

Why do the Dems always have to comrpomise but the right never does?

There are more registered dems in this country, it's time to get them all to vote and exert political power rather than compromising all the time.

How about, will rational GOP comrpomise and support a centrist like Biden? He isn't AOC or Bernie. Why or why not?

To be fair, plenty of rational voters of all stripes voted for Biden - that's how he won.

And no, OP - I mean I disagree with your whole premise. Those are not moderates, who you listed (except Hogan, I guess, who'd never get the nomination). And it's hard to picture any world where I would trust any Republican at this point. Though in my district we did have an R state senator who I actually liked - he was smart and principled, but he was up against a completely bonkers rest of the party.

Yeah, progressives can be annoying. They get outsized attention, given their actual influence. And I'll take annoying over the toxic sludge that Rs are serving up.

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Anonymous wrote:I would vote for someone like a Larry Hogan or a Mitt Romney, but otherwise the Republicans candidates aren’t very appealing.

However, for something like a school board I’m much more likely to vote for a conservative.

So, book burning is ok, then?

Not a fan of it, but there are reasonable conservatives at the school board level, especially in Maryland. Not everyone wants to burn books.

Remove books porn/groomer books from school libraries is not book burning.

Removing Margaret Atwood and Toni Morrison is not removing groomers or porn

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you are a moderate Democrat or centrist independent, and voted for Biden, Hillary, and/or Obama:

Would you consider an establishment Republican, like Nikki Haley, in 2024? If so, why?
Do you consider Ron Desantis an establishment Republican and would you consider voting for him?

If yes, what issues do you think Democrats are more extreme on than Nikki Haley/Ron Desantis/Kristi Noem/Mike Pence? Please be SPECIFIC. For example, rather than saying "government spending," please specify spending on WHAT exactly, and what would be your alternative?

I'm interested in your perspective and specifics to really hear from actual moderate Democrats who feel that not only has the Democratic Party gone too far left, but that the mainstream GOP is closer to the center... and that people who say this aren't actually gaslighting and have always actually been Republicans.

I'm a normie center-left Dem, and there are definitely some things that progressives do and say that are annoying, but I a) don't see the crazy progressive ideas every being legislated and b) don't think they're as harmful as right wing policies, just annoying. Things like "woke" pandering and using words like LatinX, and culture war stuff. I think the right obsesses more about that anyways. And I don't think full student loan forgiveness is a good idea but nobody with any power is proposing that either. But I'm willing to hear from others on their perspective as to how the progressive left things that I consider mildly annoying are actually more harmful than what most Republicans are proposing.

Nikki Haley is not a moderate republican.

Why do the Dems always have to comrpomise but the right never does?

There are more registered dems in this country, it's time to get them all to vote and exert political power rather than compromising all the time.

How about, will rational GOP comrpomise and support a centrist like Biden? He isn't AOC or Bernie. Why or why not?

To be fair, plenty of rational voters of all stripes voted for Biden - that's how he won.

And no, OP - I mean I disagree with your whole premise. Those are not moderates, who you listed (except Hogan, I guess, who'd never get the nomination). And it's hard to picture any world where I would trust any Republican at this point. Though in my district we did have an R state senator who I actually liked - he was smart and principled, but he was up against a completely bonkers rest of the party.

Yeah, progressives can be annoying. They get outsized attention, given their actual influence. And I'll take annoying over the toxic sludge that Rs are serving up.

Biden won because moderate voters coalesced around his campaign to block Sanders. He's always been an establishment democrat, but any elected democrat suddenly becomes a leftist according to Foxnews

[Anonymous]

What I’ve learned in 4 pages of this thread:

There is literally no living Republican DCUM would ever vote for. (and those of you answered “Eisenhower” clearly know nothing about Dwight D. Eisenhower, lol! Ike would be too conservative for the [i]Republican[i/] party today!)

Also, no one attempted to define what a “moderate” Democrat is. Which makes perfect sense, because you [i]can’t[i/] define something that doesn’t exist - otherwise it could be defined.


And I almost spit my coffee out laughing at the poster who “pleaded with their Republican friends to support Kasich instead”, as if they themselves would’ve voted for Kasich over Hillary in the general?!?! Laughable!


Don’t ever change, DCUM.

[Anonymous]

Get rid of that embarrassment Santos first and then we will see.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you are a moderate Democrat or centrist independent, and voted for Biden, Hillary, and/or Obama:

Would you consider an establishment Republican, like Nikki Haley, in 2024? If so, why?
Do you consider Ron Desantis an establishment Republican and would you consider voting for him?

If yes, what issues do you think Democrats are more extreme on than Nikki Haley/Ron Desantis/Kristi Noem/Mike Pence? Please be SPECIFIC. For example, rather than saying "government spending," please specify spending on WHAT exactly, and what would be your alternative?

I'm interested in your perspective and specifics to really hear from actual moderate Democrats who feel that not only has the Democratic Party gone too far left, but that the mainstream GOP is closer to the center... and that people who say this aren't actually gaslighting and have always actually been Republicans.

I'm a normie center-left Dem, and there are definitely some things that progressives do and say that are annoying, but I a) don't see the crazy progressive ideas every being legislated and b) don't think they're as harmful as right wing policies, just annoying. Things like "woke" pandering and using words like LatinX, and culture war stuff. I think the right obsesses more about that anyways. And I don't think full student loan forgiveness is a good idea but nobody with any power is proposing that either. But I'm willing to hear from others on their perspective as to how the progressive left things that I consider mildly annoying are actually more harmful than what most Republicans are proposing.

Nikki Haley is not a moderate republican.

Why do the Dems always have to comrpomise but the right never does?

There are more registered dems in this country, it's time to get them all to vote and exert political power rather than compromising all the time.

How about, will rational GOP comrpomise and support a centrist like Biden? He isn't AOC or Bernie. Why or why not?

To be fair, plenty of rational voters of all stripes voted for Biden - that's how he won.

And no, OP - I mean I disagree with your whole premise. Those are not moderates, who you listed (except Hogan, I guess, who'd never get the nomination). And it's hard to picture any world where I would trust any Republican at this point. Though in my district we did have an R state senator who I actually liked - he was smart and principled, but he was up against a completely bonkers rest of the party.

Yeah, progressives can be annoying. They get outsized attention, given their actual influence. And I'll take annoying over the toxic sludge that Rs are serving up.

Biden won because moderate voters coalesced around his campaign to block Sanders. He's always been an establishment democrat, but any elected democrat suddenly becomes a leftist according to Foxnews

Don't disagree - but he won the general because enough moderates of all stripes wanted him over the crazy guy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What I’ve learned in 4 pages of this thread:

There is literally no living Republican DCUM would ever vote for. (and those of you answered “Eisenhower” clearly know nothing about Dwight D. Eisenhower, lol! Ike would be too conservative for the [i]Republican[i/] party today!)

Also, no one attempted to define what a “moderate” Democrat is. Which makes perfect sense, because you [i]can’t[i/] define something that doesn’t exist - otherwise it could be defined.


And I almost spit my coffee out laughing at the poster who “pleaded with their Republican friends to support Kasich instead”, as if they themselves would’ve voted for Kasich over Hillary in the general?!?! Laughable!


Don’t ever change, DCUM.

Eisenhower at least believed in investing in national infrastructure and understood that taxes are a critical piece of what is needed to make a country (and yes, the civilian side of it) work.
Can'd say the same for any Republican since the 1980s.

End even Richard Nixon, as bad as he was, understood the importance of protecting the environment. But again, no Republican since the 1980s has understood that.

People always want to insist that the country is moving toward the left, but it's the right that has lost its way, has abandoned a lot of things that it used to value and understand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What I’ve learned in 4 pages of this thread:

There is literally no living Republican DCUM would ever vote for. (and those of you answered “Eisenhower” clearly know nothing about Dwight D. Eisenhower, lol! Ike would be too conservative for the [i]Republican[i/] party today!)

Also, no one attempted to define what a “moderate” Democrat is. Which makes perfect sense, because you [i]can’t[i/] define something that doesn’t exist - otherwise it could be defined.


And I almost spit my coffee out laughing at the poster who “pleaded with their Republican friends to support Kasich instead”, as if they themselves would’ve voted for Kasich over Hillary in the general?!?! Laughable!


Don’t ever change, DCUM.

I would like Republicans to nominate someone I disagree with over policy differences - but who isn't some gd lunatic who's going to destroy everything. Can you see how we might prefer our candidate, and also hope that in the event yours wins, it's not a clown show where the clowns are shooting acid into the crowd?

And no, there is no Republican I would vote for. Why would I? Tell me how my life is better with ANY Republican in charge?

I assume, from your post, that you have voted for plenty of Democrats in your time even though you generally prefer Rs because - something something freedom and taxes.

[Anonymous]

Nikki Haley is still pandering to the same cr*p the rest of them are. For example:

“First, the liberals came for our light bulbs,” tweeted former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley (R), an ex-Trump administration official and potential White House contender. “Then, they came for our cars. Now, they're coming for our stoves.”

FFS the only reason you can afford to gas up your F150 is because of fuel economy regulations. And is anyone still clinging to their boxes of incandescent bulbs?? As for the stoves, this was a hypothetical floated by one CPSC member and shot down by the entirety of the committee. It's just sad, very sad, that THIS is what passes for moderate Republican.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you are a moderate Democrat or centrist independent, and voted for Biden, Hillary, and/or Obama:

Would you consider an establishment Republican, like Nikki Haley, in 2024? If so, why?
Do you consider Ron Desantis an establishment Republican and would you consider voting for him?

If yes, what issues do you think Democrats are more extreme on than Nikki Haley/Ron Desantis/Kristi Noem/Mike Pence? Please be SPECIFIC. For example, rather than saying "government spending," please specify spending on WHAT exactly, and what would be your alternative?

I'm interested in your perspective and specifics to really hear from actual moderate Democrats who feel that not only has the Democratic Party gone too far left, but that the mainstream GOP is closer to the center... and that people who say this aren't actually gaslighting and have always actually been Republicans.

I'm a normie center-left Dem, and there are definitely some things that progressives do and say that are annoying, but I a) don't see the crazy progressive ideas every being legislated and b) don't think they're as harmful as right wing policies, just annoying. Things like "woke" pandering and using words like LatinX, and culture war stuff. I think the right obsesses more about that anyways. And I don't think full student loan forgiveness is a good idea but nobody with any power is proposing that either. But I'm willing to hear from others on their perspective as to how the progressive left things that I consider mildly annoying are actually more harmful than what most Republicans are proposing.

I will never vote for any Republican as long as their party is anti-abortion, intertwined with religious zealots, pro-corporation, pro-tax cuts, etc. They want reduced government for their own ideals/systems but want the government involved in everyone else's business. They dont look forward, they are obsessed with looking back. That is always their frame of reference.

The GOP party is who the GOP party has currently. Thats who they are. If you want to talk about previous generations of Republicans and compare them to the current GOP, then this GOP is so far flung from the centrists of previous generations that they arent even comparable. The centrists of the current GOP are only "centrists" when compared to the current mainstream GOP, in isolation as "centrists" they are not actually moderate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What I’ve learned in 4 pages of this thread:

There is literally no living Republican DCUM would ever vote for. (and those of you answered “Eisenhower” clearly know nothing about Dwight D. Eisenhower, lol! Ike would be too conservative for the [i]Republican[i/] party today!)

Also, no one attempted to define what a “moderate” Democrat is. Which makes perfect sense, because you [i]can’t[i/] define something that doesn’t exist - otherwise it could be defined.


And I almost spit my coffee out laughing at the poster who “pleaded with their Republican friends to support Kasich instead”, as if they themselves would’ve voted for Kasich over Hillary in the general?!?! Laughable!


Don’t ever change, DCUM.

I would like Republicans to nominate someone I disagree with over policy differences - but who isn't some gd lunatic who's going to destroy everything. Can you see how we might prefer our candidate, and also hope that in the event yours wins, it's not a clown show where the clowns are shooting acid into the crowd?

And no, there is no Republican I would vote for. Why would I? Tell me how my life is better with ANY Republican in charge?

I assume, from your post, that you have voted for plenty of Democrats in your time even though you generally prefer Rs because - something something freedom and taxes.

Sorry. Republicans are not going to nominate Larry Hogan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What I’ve learned in 4 pages of this thread:

There is literally no living Republican DCUM would ever vote for. (and those of you answered “Eisenhower” clearly know nothing about Dwight D. Eisenhower, lol! Ike would be too conservative for the [i]Republican[i/] party today!)

Also, no one attempted to define what a “moderate” Democrat is. Which makes perfect sense, because you [i]can’t[i/] define something that doesn’t exist - otherwise it could be defined.


And I almost spit my coffee out laughing at the poster who “pleaded with their Republican friends to support Kasich instead”, as if they themselves would’ve voted for Kasich over Hillary in the general?!?! Laughable!


Don’t ever change, DCUM.

To be fair, the question was geared at people who already identify as Democrats. Moderate Democrats. Not crypto-conservatives or center-right libertarianish “independents” who will tolerate varying levels of fascism in order to keep their taxes low.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I’ve learned in 4 pages of this thread:

There is literally no living Republican DCUM would ever vote for. (and those of you answered “Eisenhower” clearly know nothing about Dwight D. Eisenhower, lol! Ike would be too conservative for the [i]Republican[i/] party today!)

Also, no one attempted to define what a “moderate” Democrat is. Which makes perfect sense, because you [i]can’t[i/] define something that doesn’t exist - otherwise it could be defined.


And I almost spit my coffee out laughing at the poster who “pleaded with their Republican friends to support Kasich instead”, as if they themselves would’ve voted for Kasich over Hillary in the general?!?! Laughable!


Don’t ever change, DCUM.

I would like Republicans to nominate someone I disagree with over policy differences - but who isn't some gd lunatic who's going to destroy everything. Can you see how we might prefer our candidate, and also hope that in the event yours wins, it's not a clown show where the clowns are shooting acid into the crowd?

And no, there is no Republican I would vote for. Why would I? Tell me how my life is better with ANY Republican in charge?

I assume, from your post, that you have voted for plenty of Democrats in your time even though you generally prefer Rs because - something something freedom and taxes.

Sorry. Republicans are not going to nominate Larry Hogan.

Of course they aren't. I'm just responding to the PP who thinks it's "hilarious" or whatever word she used that Dems could wish for a normal, non-insane R to be their nominee even though we want a Dem to win.

Or keep nominating insane people, Rs. That went really well for you at the midterms. And in 2020. ANd in 2018.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What I’ve learned in 4 pages of this thread:

There is literally no living Republican DCUM would ever vote for. (and those of you answered “Eisenhower” clearly know nothing about Dwight D. Eisenhower, lol! Ike would be too conservative for the [i]Republican[i/] party today!)

Also, no one attempted to define what a “moderate” Democrat is. Which makes perfect sense, because you [i]can’t[i/] define something that doesn’t exist - otherwise it could be defined.


And I almost spit my coffee out laughing at the poster who “pleaded with their Republican friends to support Kasich instead”, as if they themselves would’ve voted for Kasich over Hillary in the general?!?! Laughable!


Don’t ever change, DCUM.

So you totally overlooked everyone saying Romney and Hogan

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nikki Haley is still pandering to the same cr*p the rest of them are. For example:

“First, the liberals came for our light bulbs,” tweeted former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley (R), an ex-Trump administration official and potential White House contender. “Then, they came for our cars. Now, they're coming for our stoves.”

FFS the only reason you can afford to gas up your F150 is because of fuel economy regulations. And is anyone still clinging to their boxes of incandescent bulbs?? As for the stoves, this was a hypothetical floated by one CPSC member and shot down by the entirety of the committee. It's just sad, very sad, that THIS is what passes for moderate Republican.

My right wing parents stocked up on incandescent bulbs... couldn't tell them anything to convince them. But now that they ran out of incandescents, they are loving the LED bulbs. Just can't tell them anything, they have to learn everything the hard way and figure it out for themselves. To them everything is some deceitful liberal plot. Until it isn't.