Kid separated from classmates at school

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That was me as an unmedicated ADHD kid. It is the teacher’s job to ensure a functional learning environment for the entire class. It is your job to help him reframe the arrangement into a positive and mitigate the harm to his self esteem. You can’t expect the teacher to sacrifice other children’s learning for him. That’s not fair or reasonable to anyone.

That's the whole point of FAPE. He just needs the diagnosis.

An IEP can get the child goals , but does not allow the child to just disrupt others all day.

Except it does. These kids are ruining school for everyone else - put them in the self contained room where they belong.

A kid distracting himself and other kids by talking too much does not belong in a self contained classroom. They need to sit someplace where they are not distracting other kids. The Teacher and parents should be working together to figure out how to stop the talking and distractions. It is annoying but it is not dangerous and is pretty common for Teachers to have to deal with. Granted, it’s easier if the parents are working with the Teacher and it doesn’t sound like that is happening with this child. The OP makes it sound like she has heard from the Teacher regularly about the talking and it finally escalated enough that the boy was moved to sit by himself next to the Teachers desk. Moms response is not to fix the issue but to worry about her kids self esteem.

A kid throwing things, hitting, kicking, biting, or destroying the classroom belongs in a self contained classroom.

Op sounds like she has not disciplined the child. If she did, he would have stopped disrupting class and wouldn’t have to sit next to the teacher.

I have a well behaved kindergarten daughter. She has a kid at her table who gets and iPad and doesn’t listen to the teacher. Everyday I ask her how her day is and most of what she tells me is about all the bad things this boys at her table does. I am sure he has some sort of learning disability since he gets and iPad. She said he gets an iPad so he can be quiet. My daughter seems to still be learning.

[Anonymous]

Your child doesn't have a right to disrupt 20 other children. The teacher has found a solution and I'm sorry your son feels bad about that but perhaps all of the other children felt bad they couldn't learn for the first few months of school because your son was so disruptive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Your child doesn't have a right to disrupt 20 other children. The teacher has found a solution and I'm sorry your son feels bad about that but perhaps all of the other children felt bad they couldn't learn for the first few months of school because your son was so disruptive.

What’s worse than feeling bad because you sit near the teacher is feeling bad because all your classmates think you’re the bad annoying kid. Predictably OP hasn’t returned but maybe she did some self reflection if she bothered to read any of the posts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That was me as an unmedicated ADHD kid. It is the teacher’s job to ensure a functional learning environment for the entire class. It is your job to help him reframe the arrangement into a positive and mitigate the harm to his self esteem. You can’t expect the teacher to sacrifice other children’s learning for him. That’s not fair or reasonable to anyone.

That's the whole point of FAPE. He just needs the diagnosis.

An IEP can get the child goals , but does not allow the child to just disrupt others all day.

Except it does. These kids are ruining school for everyone else - put them in the self contained room where they belong.

A kid distracting himself and other kids by talking too much does not belong in a self contained classroom. They need to sit someplace where they are not distracting other kids. The Teacher and parents should be working together to figure out how to stop the talking and distractions. It is annoying but it is not dangerous and is pretty common for Teachers to have to deal with. Granted, it’s easier if the parents are working with the Teacher and it doesn’t sound like that is happening with this child. The OP makes it sound like she has heard from the Teacher regularly about the talking and it finally escalated enough that the boy was moved to sit by himself next to the Teachers desk. Moms response is not to fix the issue but to worry about her kids self esteem.

A kid throwing things, hitting, kicking, biting, or destroying the classroom belongs in a self contained classroom.

+1 truth well said

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That was me as an unmedicated ADHD kid. It is the teacher’s job to ensure a functional learning environment for the entire class. It is your job to help him reframe the arrangement into a positive and mitigate the harm to his self esteem. You can’t expect the teacher to sacrifice other children’s learning for him. That’s not fair or reasonable to anyone.

That's the whole point of FAPE. He just needs the diagnosis.

An IEP can get the child goals , but does not allow the child to just disrupt others all day.

Except it does. These kids are ruining school for everyone else - put them in the self contained room where they belong.

A kid distracting himself and other kids by talking too much does not belong in a self contained classroom. They need to sit someplace where they are not distracting other kids. The Teacher and parents should be working together to figure out how to stop the talking and distractions. It is annoying but it is not dangerous and is pretty common for Teachers to have to deal with. Granted, it’s easier if the parents are working with the Teacher and it doesn’t sound like that is happening with this child. The OP makes it sound like she has heard from the Teacher regularly about the talking and it finally escalated enough that the boy was moved to sit by himself next to the Teachers desk. Moms response is not to fix the issue but to worry about her kids self esteem.

A kid throwing things, hitting, kicking, biting, or destroying the classroom belongs in a self contained classroom.

Op sounds like she has not disciplined the child. If she did, he would have stopped disrupting class and wouldn’t have to sit next to the teacher.

I have a well behaved kindergarten daughter. She has a kid at her table who gets and iPad and doesn’t listen to the teacher. Everyday I ask her how her day is and most of what she tells me is about all the bad things this boys at her table does. I am sure he has some sort of learning disability since he gets and iPad. She said he gets an iPad so he can be quiet. My daughter seems to still be learning.

I agree that it sounds like the OP has not done much to work with the Teacher to help her child learn to control his chatter. The OPs comments make it sound like the Teacher has been trying to address this all year but does not highlight anything that the OP has done to work with the Teacher. The fact that the OPs post goes to the idea that moving the child's desk is bad for his self esteem and not to how she is working on improving the behavior points to a parent who doesn't understand the larger issue. If that is the case then the OP is not helping her child learn appropriate behavior at school or the Teacher help her kid to learn or the other kids in the class to learn.

That said, if there is something at play, like ADHD, then it is not as easy as the parent disciplining the child at home. The parent needs to be working with the Teacher to develop a plan that will help the child learn understanding that it can be harder because of the ADHD. There are ways to address the issues but it does take time and patience. The Teacher would be working for ways to help the child while allowing other kids to learn.

It sounds like the kid at your daughter's table is someone whose issues they are trying to address. I would contact the Teacher and ask for your child to be moved if the child or children are disrupting her ability to learn. Provide examples of what your daughter is telling you she is hearing and seeing. Teachers need that type of input from parents to make the case for testing and evaluation for kids, especially if the parents are not responding to the Teachers outreach, like the OP from this topic seems to be doing. There are parents who don't see the issues that the Teacher is bringing to them as the parents concern because what is happening at school is supposed to be the Teachers issue. There are parents who don't see the issues at school as important because they don't want to admit that their child might have a learning issue or ADHD or something else going on, it interrupts their idea of a "normal" child. Those parents tend not to work with the Teaching staff and makes it harder to get kids evaluated so you end up with Teachers having to take specific steps, document how those steps don't work for a period of weeks, then take more steps, document those steps not working, and eventually end up with an evaluation after the kid has been disrupting other kids learning. Parents requesting kids be moved because another kid is talking too much or is bullying or is disrupting learning in some way help Teachers with their documentation.

[Anonymous]

Either the teacher is downplaying the severity if his disruptive behavior to you or you are misunderstanding the severity.

This usually happens only when the kid is extremely disruptive.

Have him evaluated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is why teachers are so frustrated and want to quit. A kid talks too much so has to sit by the teacher. Totally normal consequence that works. Teachers have been doing this for years and years.

Crazy parent thinks this is too mean and her snowflake should be allowed to disrupt others because it makes him feel bad when he doesn’t get to do whatever he wants.

This.

The teacher is doing their job and trying to stop one kid from destroying the school experience and education of 20 other kids.

OP, do you get it yet??

[Anonymous]

OP, you do need to get your kid some help. You can lean on the teacher to let him sit with his friends, but that isnt a long term solution. If he isn't learning, and he is annoying the other children, that will harm his self-esteem. Right now he's young and won't notice, but soon he'll fall behind academically and his friendships will suffer due to his behavior. Those things will harm his self-esteem more than having to sit near the teacher ever could. First the girls will start avoiding him and then as they grow older the boys will too. Untreated ADHD is very hard for a kids social development and friendships. You need to open your eyes to what the teacher is trying to tell you, and think long-term not short-term.

[Anonymous]

He should feel guilty. He was breaking the rules and causing disruption. Maybe he will behave better in the future.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Your concern is that he feels bad, not that he was disruptive to the point that the teacher had to take such measures? Well no wonder he thinks he can do what he wants!

He SHOULD feel bad, OP. You need to reinforce what the teacher says, and tell him he's not going anywhere near his friends until he learns to shut up. And if you think he may have hyperactive ADHD, get him evaluated.

Spot on.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Your child doesn't have a right to disrupt 20 other children. The teacher has found a solution and I'm sorry your son feels bad about that but perhaps all of the other children felt bad they couldn't learn for the first few months of school because your son was so disruptive.

What’s worse than feeling bad because you sit near the teacher is feeling bad because all your classmates think you’re the bad annoying kid. Predictably OP hasn’t returned but maybe she did some self reflection if she bothered to read any of the posts.

OP did return. She thanked everyone for helping give her perspective and she shared that she is seeking an evaluation for her child. That was on page 2. She was never acknowledged. Instead people continued to pile on for 3 more pages and call her a bad parent. No wonder she hasn’t returned.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous]That was me as an unmedicated ADHD kid. It is the teacher’s job to ensure a functional learning environment for the entire class. It is your job to help him reframe the arrangement into a positive and mitigate the harm to his self esteem. You can’t expect the teacher to sacrifice other children’s learning for him. That’s not fair or reasonable to anyone.

Our child to. Meds changed his life, the lives of every one of his classmates, the lives of his siblings and us parents. For the better. 6 is a little young, but definitely something to keep an eye on

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That was me as an unmedicated ADHD kid. It is the teacher’s job to ensure a functional learning environment for the entire class. It is your job to help him reframe the arrangement into a positive and mitigate the harm to his self esteem. You can’t expect the teacher to sacrifice other children’s learning for him. That’s not fair or reasonable to anyone.

That's the whole point of FAPE. He just needs the diagnosis.

An IEP can get the child goals , but does not allow the child to just disrupt others all day.

Except it does. These kids are ruining school for everyone else - put them in the self contained room where they belong.

A kid distracting himself and other kids by talking too much does not belong in a self contained classroom. They need to sit someplace where they are not distracting other kids. The Teacher and parents should be working together to figure out how to stop the talking and distractions. It is annoying but it is not dangerous and is pretty common for Teachers to have to deal with. Granted, it’s easier if the parents are working with the Teacher and it doesn’t sound like that is happening with this child. The OP makes it sound like she has heard from the Teacher regularly about the talking and it finally escalated enough that the boy was moved to sit by himself next to the Teachers desk. Moms response is not to fix the issue but to worry about her kids self esteem.

A kid throwing things, hitting, kicking, biting, or destroying the classroom belongs in a self contained classroom.

Op sounds like she has not disciplined the child. If she did, he would have stopped disrupting class and wouldn’t have to sit next to the teacher.

I have a well behaved kindergarten daughter. She has a kid at her table who gets and iPad and doesn’t listen to the teacher. Everyday I ask her how her day is and most of what she tells me is about all the bad things this boys at her table does. I am sure he has some sort of learning disability since he gets and iPad. She said he gets an iPad so he can be quiet. My daughter seems to still be learning.

Gawd you are ignorant and vile. Brag some more to us about your perfect girl child who shouldn't have to be around this loser.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That was me as an unmedicated ADHD kid. It is the teacher’s job to ensure a functional learning environment for the entire class. It is your job to help him reframe the arrangement into a positive and mitigate the harm to his self esteem. You can’t expect the teacher to sacrifice other children’s learning for him. That’s not fair or reasonable to anyone.

That's the whole point of FAPE. He just needs the diagnosis.

An IEP can get the child goals , but does not allow the child to just disrupt others all day.

Except it does. These kids are ruining school for everyone else - put them in the self contained room where they belong.

A kid distracting himself and other kids by talking too much does not belong in a self contained classroom. They need to sit someplace where they are not distracting other kids. The Teacher and parents should be working together to figure out how to stop the talking and distractions. It is annoying but it is not dangerous and is pretty common for Teachers to have to deal with. Granted, it’s easier if the parents are working with the Teacher and it doesn’t sound like that is happening with this child. The OP makes it sound like she has heard from the Teacher regularly about the talking and it finally escalated enough that the boy was moved to sit by himself next to the Teachers desk. Moms response is not to fix the issue but to worry about her kids self esteem.

A kid throwing things, hitting, kicking, biting, or destroying the classroom belongs in a self contained classroom.

Op sounds like she has not disciplined the child. If she did, he would have stopped disrupting class and wouldn’t have to sit next to the teacher.

I have a well behaved kindergarten daughter. She has a kid at her table who gets and iPad and doesn’t listen to the teacher. Everyday I ask her how her day is and most of what she tells me is about all the bad things this boys at her table does. I am sure he has some sort of learning disability since he gets and iPad. She said he gets an iPad so he can be quiet. My daughter seems to still be learning.

Gawd you are ignorant and vile. Brag some more to us about your perfect girl child who shouldn't have to be around this loser.

How am I vile? This is what happens everyday. I ask my 5 year old daughter how her day was and she tells me how Largo started screaming in the middle of class or how he got in trouble because of X, Y and Z. She tells me how it isn’t fair that he gets to play with his iPad. 90% of what she tells me about her day are stories about this boy. The other 10% she may tell me what she did doing recess or how the principal visited her class. It is mostly about what bad things the boy at her table did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That was me as an unmedicated ADHD kid. It is the teacher’s job to ensure a functional learning environment for the entire class. It is your job to help him reframe the arrangement into a positive and mitigate the harm to his self esteem. You can’t expect the teacher to sacrifice other children’s learning for him. That’s not fair or reasonable to anyone.

That's the whole point of FAPE. He just needs the diagnosis.

An IEP can get the child goals , but does not allow the child to just disrupt others all day.

Except it does. These kids are ruining school for everyone else - put them in the self contained room where they belong.

A kid distracting himself and other kids by talking too much does not belong in a self contained classroom. They need to sit someplace where they are not distracting other kids. The Teacher and parents should be working together to figure out how to stop the talking and distractions. It is annoying but it is not dangerous and is pretty common for Teachers to have to deal with. Granted, it’s easier if the parents are working with the Teacher and it doesn’t sound like that is happening with this child. The OP makes it sound like she has heard from the Teacher regularly about the talking and it finally escalated enough that the boy was moved to sit by himself next to the Teachers desk. Moms response is not to fix the issue but to worry about her kids self esteem.

A kid throwing things, hitting, kicking, biting, or destroying the classroom belongs in a self contained classroom.

Op sounds like she has not disciplined the child. If she did, he would have stopped disrupting class and wouldn’t have to sit next to the teacher.

I have a well behaved kindergarten daughter. She has a kid at her table who gets and iPad and doesn’t listen to the teacher. Everyday I ask her how her day is and most of what she tells me is about all the bad things this boys at her table does. I am sure he has some sort of learning disability since he gets and iPad. She said he gets an iPad so he can be quiet. My daughter seems to still be learning.

Gawd you are ignorant and vile. Brag some more to us about your perfect girl child who shouldn't have to be around this loser.

I also have 2 older boys. I would visit their classroom very occasionally. I clearly remember when my oldest was in first grade, I went to volunteer for something, maybe a class party. I clearly remember one boy wandering around the classroom not listening. In just that 20 min, I saw the teacher correct and follow this child around most of the time and ignore the rest of the class.

One year I went to take cupcakes for my son’s birthday. I had heard my son tell me about this boy who gets to use his iPad in class. I thought nothing of it. He was crying and screaming in the middle of the cafeteria. No one was helping him. I told an aid and the assistant principal who was walking around the cafeteria. I thought it was a huge emergency. I later saw the special education teacher as I was walking out walking with the boy. She said he is like this everyday. I felt really bad for the boy.

I am totally empathetic towards children with special needs. I think they absolutely should get the help they need. I do not think they should necessarily be in the same classroom if they will be disrupting the class and prevent other kids from learning.