Asians are NOT the model minority: the Affirmative Action Chess Game

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Article which counters the Asians as the " model minority" myth.

"More than two in three Asian Americans – 69% – support affirmative action, and that’s been the case for nearly a decade. Within that demographic, support is highest among Korean Americans and Asian Indian Americans (at least 80%) and lowest among Chinese Americans, 59% of whom say they favor such policies.

Despite that polling data and widespread Asian American activism in support of affirmative action, Students for Fair Admissions – whose conservative donors have engaged in a larger crusade targeting issues including voting rights – have sought to paint a different picture. They are, critics say, using Asian Americans as a wedge to incite infighting among communities of color."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2022/11/06/affirmative-action-case-harvard-admissions-asian-americans/10599572002/

In the Affirmative Action cases before the Supreme Court, the conservative Students For Fair Admissions (SFFA) - led by Ed Blum - is using the Asian Americans to keep URMs marginalized.

That sounds odd to me. I don't know any Asian who supports AA, myself included.

I am Korean American and i do not know any Korean American supporting AA. In Fact, many are angry about it.

You're part of the 31%. That's ok. Just don't be in denial that there are a decent Asians who support AA. There was a strong contingent who were at the Supreme Court during the actual hearing.

What you you "angry" about?

That just shows how clueless you are how Asians really feel. You must be white.

Can't answer the question. Ok.

Umm.. Asian people do not owe you the emotional and educational labor to explain why anti-Asian policies make them angry. Educate yourself please.

STILL can't answer the question but want to babble nonsense.

Get off the thread

Bye.

It's not that Asian posts can't answer the question. If you don't know the answer yourself, you don't belong here talking about us. What do you really know about how we, Asians, are feeling? I mean seriously, what do you know about Asians?

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Anonymous wrote:There is asian support for AA in surveys because they want to appear woke. When it's put for a vote like in california though which is as liberal as they get, it fails. Why do you think that is. A lot of asians support it because they've already gotten into a good college and succeeded and they don't care if others are discriminated against until their own kids are applying to schools.

This is a good point. People who get into colleges themselves, seems to be happy about their good fortune but not concerned about others.

People of all races who benefit from special programs, how many of them go back to their communities to make them better?

Its not to say that those programs shouldn't exist but they should focus on collective benefits instead of giving disproportionate advantage to few and call it a day. For example, 100% students should be supported to go to some college at least affordable cost to individual, instead of 1% sent to attend expensive colleges for free.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Article which counters the Asians as the " model minority" myth.

"More than two in three Asian Americans – 69% – support affirmative action, and that’s been the case for nearly a decade. Within that demographic, support is highest among Korean Americans and Asian Indian Americans (at least 80%) and lowest among Chinese Americans, 59% of whom say they favor such policies.

Despite that polling data and widespread Asian American activism in support of affirmative action, Students for Fair Admissions – whose conservative donors have engaged in a larger crusade targeting issues including voting rights – have sought to paint a different picture. They are, critics say, using Asian Americans as a wedge to incite infighting among communities of color."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2022/11/06/affirmative-action-case-harvard-admissions-asian-americans/10599572002/

In the Affirmative Action cases before the Supreme Court, the conservative Students For Fair Admissions (SFFA) - led by Ed Blum - is using the Asian Americans to keep URMs marginalized.

That sounds odd to me. I don't know any Asian who supports AA, myself included.

I don't know about op's article, but I was listening to Asian students at unc on npr who supported the admissions process (including race ) and who also claimed that "Students for Fair Admissions " were not students but were a conservative political faction.

Yes, but seriously, saying I am against AA on NPR is like saying I am against BLM isn't it?

[Anonymous]

To be fair, i don't really know the miracle solution but current system seems biased and not beneficial to masses.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Article which counters the Asians as the " model minority" myth.

"More than two in three Asian Americans – 69% – support affirmative action, and that’s been the case for nearly a decade. Within that demographic, support is highest among Korean Americans and Asian Indian Americans (at least 80%) and lowest among Chinese Americans, 59% of whom say they favor such policies.

Despite that polling data and widespread Asian American activism in support of affirmative action, Students for Fair Admissions – whose conservative donors have engaged in a larger crusade targeting issues including voting rights – have sought to paint a different picture. They are, critics say, using Asian Americans as a wedge to incite infighting among communities of color."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2022/11/06/affirmative-action-case-harvard-admissions-asian-americans/10599572002/

In the Affirmative Action cases before the Supreme Court, the conservative Students For Fair Admissions (SFFA) - led by Ed Blum - is using the Asian Americans to keep URMs marginalized.

That sounds odd to me. I don't know any Asian who supports AA, myself included.

I don't know about op's article, but I was listening to Asian students at unc on npr who supported the admissions process (including race ) and who also claimed that "Students for Fair Admissions " were not students but were a conservative political faction.

Yes, but seriously, saying I am against AA on NPR is like saying I am against BLM isn't it?

Yes. Its simply not a choice.

[Anonymous]

So if I'm an ant and most ants are drawn to the poison trap, I should follow them? What's the point of this dumb a$$ article

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Anonymous wrote:
Article which counters the Asians as the " model minority" myth.

"More than two in three Asian Americans – 69% – support affirmative action, and that’s been the case for nearly a decade. Within that demographic, support is highest among Korean Americans and Asian Indian Americans (at least 80%) and lowest among Chinese Americans, 59% of whom say they favor such policies.

Despite that polling data and widespread Asian American activism in support of affirmative action, Students for Fair Admissions – whose conservative donors have engaged in a larger crusade targeting issues including voting rights – have sought to paint a different picture. They are, critics say, using Asian Americans as a wedge to incite infighting among communities of color."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2022/11/06/affirmative-action-case-harvard-admissions-asian-americans/10599572002/

In the Affirmative Action cases before the Supreme Court, the conservative Students For Fair Admissions (SFFA) - led by Ed Blum - is using the Asian Americans to keep URMs marginalized.

That sounds odd to me. I don't know any Asian who supports AA, myself included.

I am Korean American and i do not know any Korean American supporting AA. In Fact, many are angry about it.

You're part of the 31%. That's ok. Just don't be in denial that there are a decent Asians who support AA. There was a strong contingent who were at the Supreme Court during the actual hearing.

What you you "angry" about?

That just shows how clueless you are how Asians really feel. You must be white.

Can't answer the question. Ok.

Umm.. Asian people do not owe you the emotional and educational labor to explain why anti-Asian policies make them angry. Educate yourself please.

STILL can't answer the question but want to babble nonsense.

Get off the thread

Bye.

It's not that Asian posts can't answer the question. If you don't know the answer yourself, you don't belong here talking about us. What do you really know about how we, Asians, are feeling? I mean seriously, what do you know about Asians?

A PP stated that he/ she was "angry" about affirmative action. Not angry in general. You need to read better.

Polls indicate that 69% of Asian Americans support affirmative action.

If some Asians are "angry" it's not because of affirmative action specifically, but because of straight racism and anti-Asian hate, mostly politicized by right wing politicians.

[Anonymous]

Young Asian students support affirmative action, its tge parents who are against it. I don't know if its because all actually support it or many just don't want to be ostracized for voicing unpopular opinion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So if I'm an ant and most ants are drawn to the poison trap, I should follow them? What's the point of this dumb a$$ article

What a dumb nonsensical post.

If you don't agree with something, put forth a compelling retort, not a dumb a$$ example. Ants and poison? Really?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Article which counters the Asians as the " model minority" myth.

"More than two in three Asian Americans – 69% – support affirmative action, and that’s been the case for nearly a decade. Within that demographic, support is highest among Korean Americans and Asian Indian Americans (at least 80%) and lowest among Chinese Americans, 59% of whom say they favor such policies.

Despite that polling data and widespread Asian American activism in support of affirmative action, Students for Fair Admissions – whose conservative donors have engaged in a larger crusade targeting issues including voting rights – have sought to paint a different picture. They are, critics say, using Asian Americans as a wedge to incite infighting among communities of color."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2022/11/06/affirmative-action-case-harvard-admissions-asian-americans/10599572002/

In the Affirmative Action cases before the Supreme Court, the conservative Students For Fair Admissions (SFFA) - led by Ed Blum - is using the Asian Americans to keep URMs marginalized.

That sounds odd to me. I don't know any Asian who supports AA, myself included.

I am Korean American and i do not know any Korean American supporting AA. In Fact, many are angry about it.

You're part of the 31%. That's ok. Just don't be in denial that there are a decent Asians who support AA. There was a strong contingent who were at the Supreme Court during the actual hearing.

What you you "angry" about?

That just shows how clueless you are how Asians really feel. You must be white.

Can't answer the question. Ok.

Umm.. Asian people do not owe you the emotional and educational labor to explain why anti-Asian policies make them angry. Educate yourself please.

STILL can't answer the question but want to babble nonsense.

Get off the thread

Bye.

It's not that Asian posts can't answer the question. If you don't know the answer yourself, you don't belong here talking about us. What do you really know about how we, Asians, are feeling? I mean seriously, what do you know about Asians?

A PP stated that he/ she was "angry" about affirmative action. Not angry in general. You need to read better.

Polls indicate that 69% of Asian Americans support affirmative action.

If some Asians are "angry" it's not because of affirmative action specifically, but because of straight racism and anti-Asian hate, mostly politicized by right wing politicians.

You really don't understand Asian mindset/perspective. I am not the "angry" poster but that poster is correct. A lot of Asians I know (particularly parents with kids in MS/HS) are "angry" about AA. They don't see it as a tool to create diversity, they view it as a tool to screw Asian kids. What you are hearing thru out this thread is Asian posters (mostly older posters with kids in MS/HS maybe) saying they don't agree with AA and they are angry about it. And they do not believe the article is accurate - probably because they have never met anyone who support AA including myself.

[Anonymous]

It doesn't really matter who thinks what, discriminating by race in admissions will be illegal as of next year. Thank the lord.

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Anonymous wrote:Echoing the other posters but I’m Asian American and all Asian Americans I know who support AA have already gone to college/med school and don’t have kids. And I’d say it’s more of a 60/40 split of against/for AA.

I agree the article is very insulting to Asian Americans, trying to paint us as having been tricked by conservatives. Many Asians, including immigrants, actually are proud and happy conservatives themselves.

It's not "insulting. " It's the truth.

Asians are being used by conservative groups in an "us versus them" ploy.

And if you REALLY look at the Harvard SCOTUS case, the alleged discrimination against Asians on personal ratings, while proven untrue, has [b] nothing to do with affirmative action itself.[/b]

When affirmative action is banned next year, do personal ratings under holistic admissions get banned too? No. Because the personal ratings have nothing to do with race.

The SFFA is using apparent Asian " why aren't we getting into Harvard in higher percentages" grievance to ban race-conscious admissions.

DP.. disagree with bolded. Until you can provide evidence that shows that URM were given low "likeability" scores having never met the applicant at a similar rate to Asian Am. students, what Harvard is doing there is very much relevant. It is very much on point regarding the discrimination. Harvard had to find a way to give the Asian Am. applicants lower scores. They couldn't do that for academics, extra curriculuars, leadership, so they picked something that is completely subjective and easy to fudge: likeability.

This is *exactly* the method that Harvard used to weed out Jews back in the 1920s, so don't tell me a college wouldn't do that. They probably think it's fine to do that because in this case they are trying to admit a URM group rather than not. Regardless, the ends does not justify the means. It was a discriminatory practice then and it's a discriminatory practice now.

I have zero problems giving first gen, low income students priority, but *not by race alone*.

Different issue than affirmative action.

IF Asians - as a group, not as individuals- were discriminated against in the case ( lower courts said no) with these personal ratings, it would be because of their race, no?

IF true, it would imply that the affirmative action narrowly used to consider race one of many factors in college admissions, is still needed to protect Asians - from racial discrimination.

If affirmative action is banned, the personal rating methodology still remains.

Yes, it would, however, what Harvard did there could be deemed discriminatory. Like I said, it's how Harvard kept the number of Jews from going up. They are using the same method to try limit the number of Asian American students. Harvard is justifying it now as the ends justify the means, but it doesn't make it less discriminatory.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It doesn't really matter who thinks what, discriminating by race in admissions will be illegal as of next year. Thank the lord.

No thank SOTUS. Next June I believe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Article which counters the Asians as the " model minority" myth.

"More than two in three Asian Americans – 69% – support affirmative action, and that’s been the case for nearly a decade. Within that demographic, support is highest among Korean Americans and Asian Indian Americans (at least 80%) and lowest among Chinese Americans, 59% of whom say they favor such policies.

Despite that polling data and widespread Asian American activism in support of affirmative action, Students for Fair Admissions – whose conservative donors have engaged in a larger crusade targeting issues including voting rights – have sought to paint a different picture. They are, critics say, using Asian Americans as a wedge to incite infighting among communities of color."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2022/11/06/affirmative-action-case-harvard-admissions-asian-americans/10599572002/

In the Affirmative Action cases before the Supreme Court, the conservative Students For Fair Admissions (SFFA) - led by Ed Blum - is using the Asian Americans to keep URMs marginalized.

That sounds odd to me. I don't know any Asian who supports AA, myself included.

I am Korean American and i do not know any Korean American supporting AA. In Fact, many are angry about it.

You're part of the 31%. That's ok. Just don't be in denial that there are a decent Asians who support AA. There was a strong contingent who were at the Supreme Court during the actual hearing.

What you you "angry" about?

Another Korean here. I don’t know anybody either. I’d love to meet one to understand their perspective. I don’t see why anyone would support that. Maybe young kids who feel they “have to”??

You don't support diversity on college campuses?

Different PP but no. The purpose of college is to educate, not to engage in dubious social experiments.

DP.. apparently, college is about education outside the classroom as much as it is about inside the classroom, so yes, it's about "social experiments".

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Article which counters the Asians as the " model minority" myth.

"More than two in three Asian Americans – 69% – support affirmative action, and that’s been the case for nearly a decade. Within that demographic, support is highest among Korean Americans and Asian Indian Americans (at least 80%) and lowest among Chinese Americans, 59% of whom say they favor such policies.

Despite that polling data and widespread Asian American activism in support of affirmative action, Students for Fair Admissions – whose conservative donors have engaged in a larger crusade targeting issues including voting rights – have sought to paint a different picture. They are, critics say, using Asian Americans as a wedge to incite infighting among communities of color."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2022/11/06/affirmative-action-case-harvard-admissions-asian-americans/10599572002/

In the Affirmative Action cases before the Supreme Court, the conservative Students For Fair Admissions (SFFA) - led by Ed Blum - is using the Asian Americans to keep URMs marginalized.

That sounds odd to me. I don't know any Asian who supports AA, myself included.

I am Korean American and i do not know any Korean American supporting AA. In Fact, many are angry about it.

You're part of the 31%. That's ok. Just don't be in denial that there are a decent Asians who support AA. There was a strong contingent who were at the Supreme Court during the actual hearing.

What you you "angry" about?

That just shows how clueless you are how Asians really feel. You must be white.

Can't answer the question. Ok.

Umm.. Asian people do not owe you the emotional and educational labor to explain why anti-Asian policies make them angry. Educate yourself please.

STILL can't answer the question but want to babble nonsense.

Get off the thread

Bye.

It's not that Asian posts can't answer the question. If you don't know the answer yourself, you don't belong here talking about us. What do you really know about how we, Asians, are feeling? I mean seriously, what do you know about Asians?

A PP stated that he/ she was "angry" about affirmative action. Not angry in general. You need to read better.

Polls indicate that 69% of Asian Americans support affirmative action.

If some Asians are "angry" it's not because of affirmative action specifically, but because of straight racism and anti-Asian hate, mostly politicized by right wing politicians.

You really don't understand Asian mindset/perspective. I am not the "angry" poster but that poster is correct. A lot of Asians I know (particularly parents with kids in MS/HS) are "angry" about AA. They don't see it as a tool to create diversity, they view it as a tool to screw Asian kids. What you are hearing thru out this thread is Asian posters (mostly older posters with kids in MS/HS maybe) saying they don't agree with AA and they are angry about it. And they do not believe the article is accurate - probably because they have never met anyone who support AA including myself.

How is AA tool to "screw" Asian kids?

Asians are overrepresented relative to their population on college campuses, including most of the highly selective ones.

No one deserves a spot at a place like Harvard. It has a 3% acceptance rate.