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If you support Arizona - Don't be too quick to judge an illegal 'alien'
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Anonymous
This is so not true! I'm here legally, under a student visa and was not allowed to use any of those services you mentioned offered for free only if one is capable of proving citizenship. Being illegal I can tell is even more difficult than being under a visa. They're not allowed to have bank accounts, credit cards, own a medium of transportation or get a decent paying job. They live on the cash of the day. |
Anonymous
I KNOW I KNOW!!! easy, check it out: 
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Anonymous
I'm not the pp but the pp is right. They can get welfare and some do buy cars. I know of an illegal alien who has a car. |
Anonymous
having "a car" is different from having a decent car. anyone can save 3k cash to buy some used cr@p from CL and drive around but who can save 10k in cash and go buy a decent car? welfare? what kind? even to get food stamps you have to have a birth certificate to prove you're a citizen. |
Anonymous
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I'm not the pp but the pp is right. They can get welfare and some do buy cars. I know of an illegal alien who has a car. having "a car" is different from having a decent car. anyone can save 3k cash to buy some used cr@p from CL and drive around but who can save 10k in cash and go buy a decent car? welfare? what kind? even to get food stamps you have to have a birth certificate to prove you're a citizen. What absolutely lunacy! It makes no difference if they have a 20-year old Ford or a brand new Escalade because an illegal cannot be issued a driver's licence without proof of legal status. So they drive without license, without automobile insurance--more laws broken by illegals. Just this past weekend I know someone who was sideswiped and other driver did his best to "hit and run" but sideswiped driver called 911, gave other car's tag no, and followed him until police arrived--other driver was illegal--no license and no insurance. Illegal driver was arrested and I sincerely hope that he is deported pronto. Why would someone here on a student visa think you should be able to receive medical care, or anything else? You were supposed to prove that you had the funds to take care of yourself when applying for a student visa. Did you lie aboout this? Don't kid yourself--somehow illegals manage to get food stamps. They manage to buy houses. They seem to be able to manage everything but coming to this country legally. |
Anonymous
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I didn't think anything. I was ignorant about my options so I went to research about it when I was denied a service the school offer to "in county" students only
and school referred me to a public service provider and again it was denied to me. |
Anonymous
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A PP raised a point about illegal workers taking jobs from legal workers and driving down wages. I have two questions for those of you who believe this: do you then make an effort not to frequent businesses where things like this happen, and second, do you truly believe that legal workers would take those jobs?
Do you not shop at Walmart, never use landscapers who might have some illegal workers, never eat in restaurants where there could be "illegals" washing the dishes, etc.? You'd have to avoid a LOT of businesses and pay a premium. On the second issue, it's simply not believable to me that many positions filled by illegal labor would be filled with legal workers. There is a sense of entitlement that seems to come from being born here (and I'm US-born and raised, so this isn't a swipe at Americans) that prevent many in need from rolling up their sleeves and cleaning your toilet, sweeping the floor under the table where you just dropped shredded iceberg lettuce from your fast food burger, or wiping water spots off your car as you exit the car wash. I recall a story about a raid at a meat packing plant where many illegal workers filled positions that paid wages above $10 and politicians jumped on the story, finding lots of "average Joes" who were unemployed and said they'd have really liked those jobs taken by illegals. The packing plant had to go legal after the raid, obviously, and hired such average Joes. This was in the news but the follow up didn't make nearly the headlines. Within a month there wasn't a single person left from that group--some quit within hours. The work was awful. We have a labor shortage in this country. There's a lot of really sucky, demeaning crap work to do and our unemployed citizens don't even want to do it. God bless anyone who would risk their lives and live in hardship to come wipe our butts so that they can have a shot at a better life. I'm not saying there aren't negative consequences (people driving around uninsured, etc.), but to me that just shows that we need a better solution at having a system where laborers can come here (temporarily) for work purposes since we so obviously need them. |
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This is a classic example of the short-sighted manner in which we deal with illegal immigration. Without proof of legal immigration status, it is not possible to get a license. Without a license, insurance is not available. Because local law enforcement officers are empowered to check immigration status, a driving violation can lead to deportation. Since our country for the most part lacks effective mass transportation, undocumented residents often are forced to drive to get to work. The result is what your friend experienced. A fender-bender that could be resolved with an exchange of insurance cards turns into a hit and run with the driver often getting away. In your friend's case, the other driver may well be deported, but your friend's insurance will still be covering the damage -- possibly resulting in a rate increase. Wishing that illegal immigrants didn't exist is not going to change the fact that they exist. Contrary to the myth that illegal immigrants are a major source of crime, most are actually very law abiding when given the opportunity. In fact, crime rates in Arizona, for example, are the lowest in decades. Given the chance to be licensed and insured drivers, they would take it. Given the choice of not getting to work or driving without license, they drive without a license. |
Anonymous
Whatever dude!!!!!! |
Anonymous
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What of these 'illegal aliens' who are contributing members of society? I know dozens of people who are undocumented that pay taxes, use their own health insurance, abide by the law (except for being here without permission), volunteer, speak English and receive no public benefits.
It is un-American in my opinion to uproot these individuals. Many immigrants are hard-working, family-oriented people who we can learn a lot from. My grandparents immigrated legally by walking off of a boat and signing their names. The system today is close to impossible if you are from Central America. The notion of deporting productive members of society with roots and often American children is ludicrous and cruel. Let's focus on a humane solution and fixing the causes of the problem. Taking the conversation in that direction is the only one that will serve us all. |
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Anonymous
This fender-bender happened in VA and he can make a claim through uninsured motorist with a $200.00 deductible but the taxpayers in VA end up paying. Because they can't get a driver's license this does not justify driving wihout one. Given the chance to be legal they would take it? Any illegal would but how does this justify breaking US and VA law? If one is here illegally then everything is closed to you as it should be. I know people who would rather make $10.00 an hour than nothing per hour. After deductions maybe one clears $250.00 per week (40 hour week) this is $1000.00 per month and this buys food, gasolne, helps pay rent, buys medicine. I don't about anyone else but if my choice is between zero dollars per month and $1,000, guess what I'm choosing. |
Anonymous
Question? Who are these "tax-paying" illegals pay Fed. and stae income taxes? How do you pay taxes without a social security number? Maybe you meant to say they pay "sales" tax. The cause of the problem is illegal immigration. |
Anonymous
| you guys are avoiding the main question: what criteria will the cop use to approach someone he thinks it's here ilegally without stereotyping? |
Anonymous
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20:58, illegal workers often DO pay various taxes, not just sales tax. And despite claims that illegals go on welfare, etc., most will never see any of that money back.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/19/business/19illegals.html http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18077009/ |