School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Punishing these two people may make us feel better, but it will NOT prevent the next shooting.

Lots of kids (in all countries) are mentally ill.

Lots of kids are growing up with irresponsible parents.

OUR culture gives such kids EASY access to firearms. They are EVERYWHERE (in our homes, our stores, our entertainment -- including the video games we give our boys). ALL adults have to take responsibility for the state of our society.

We cannot pretend that locking up a pair of individual parents fixes things.

Holding parents accountable for their deadly misdeeds isn't necessarily done to "fix things"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Punishing these two people may make us feel better, but it will NOT prevent the next shooting.

Lots of kids (in all countries) are mentally ill.

Lots of kids are growing up with irresponsible parents.

OUR culture gives such kids EASY access to firearms. They are EVERYWHERE (in our homes, our stores, our entertainment -- including the video games we give our boys). ALL adults have to take responsibility for the state of our society.

We cannot pretend that locking up a pair of individual parents fixes things.

I'm not taking responsibility for anything. That's not my kid. I didn't buy him a gun. His father did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone find it odd that 99% of school shootings are committed by white males? If this was an area that had gangs or other criminal activity, you could associate the terrible actions to environmental factors. But that doesn’t seem to be the case. So what’s the reason this demographic of children is so prone to murdering other children?

In areas with gangs or other criminal activities kids are murdering kids too, just not on school premises. It's next to impossible in those areas to sneak a gun into a school. My local high school puts everyone through metal detectors, including the parents who bring in their pre-school children to the pool on Sundays for swimming lessons. They think someone might hide a gun or a knife somewhere in school.

Associating gang violence with school shootings? Ok, then let's have a national task force on school shootings, the symptoms that cause is and throw money and law creation to fix it.

This was suggested after Sandy Hook. how many kids have been slaughtered in schools since? And the GOP opposes doing anything about it. Horrific.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Punishing these two people may make us feel better, but it will NOT prevent the next shooting.

Lots of kids (in all countries) are mentally ill.

Lots of kids are growing up with irresponsible parents.

OUR culture gives such kids EASY access to firearms. They are EVERYWHERE (in our homes, our stores, our entertainment -- including the video games we give our boys). ALL adults have to take responsibility for the state of our society.

We cannot pretend that locking up a pair of individual parents fixes things.

But we have ALWAYS had guns, that were arguably even more accessible to teens decades ago. So we either have a lot more mentally ill teens (why?) and/or those that would have been institutionalized or at least not in general schools in the past are now mainstreamed. Perhaps mainstreaming all kids doesn’t work and we need to go back to having mental health institutions or large alternative Ed programs where they have closer monitoring in place

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PLEASE do more than post on DCUM:

https://blog.greatnonprofits.org/9-organizations-making-progress-towards-gun-control/

If we DO nothing, the carnage will only continue.

Think of the holidays those poor parents will now have.

TAKE ACTION or condemn our children and grandchildren to this future.

Unless you think the answer is to not allow people to own gun at all, I don’t see how “gun control” can prevent this. Lots of people own gun legally that members of their household may have access to. Sure you can attach a crime to not securing weapon properly, but too late after something bad happens. Why are teens using gun to shoot their innocent classmates?

How about mandatory gun safes?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Punishing these two people may make us feel better, but it will NOT prevent the next shooting.

Lots of kids (in all countries) are mentally ill.

Lots of kids are growing up with irresponsible parents.

OUR culture gives such kids EASY access to firearms. They are EVERYWHERE (in our homes, our stores, our entertainment -- including the video games we give our boys). ALL adults have to take responsibility for the state of our society.

We cannot pretend that locking up a pair of individual parents fixes things.

This is why this sh*t never ends. Sh*t "logic" like this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Normally, I would not blame parents for their children's mental illness...but the circumstances of this case are unbelievable.

I think the parents are DEFINITELY negligent, as is the school.

That kid should have been sent directly to a mental hospital, and not allowed back into any classroom until a professional said it was safe for him to return.

He was suicidal and homicidal. If the administration was aware of that level of PHYSCIAL illness, he would not have been returned to the classroom.

Tragic.

How is the school negligent. Within the last 10 days pre-shooting and including the DAY of the shooting - I've seen that they've reached out to the parents at least 4 times. On top of the parents knowing he had issues and still buying him a weapon at 15. WTF?

November 21st - Ethan was searching bullets on his phone - his mother was called immediately and a voicemail was left.

November 21st - Ethan was searching bullets on his phone - his mother was sent an email regarding the same subject

November 26th - Father takes him Black Friday shopping for a gun

November 27th - Mother posts on FB 'Mom and son tests out his present' - she went shooting with him

November 29th - Ethan called in by administration

November 30th - Ethan called in by administration with parents

November 30th - Ethan shoots and kills 4 fellow students

The school is negligent because they kept letting him go to school everyday. If schools finds a kid to a threat they need to suspend them immediately until kid has been evaluated by a psych professional and home has had weapons removed or verified secured. Those things don’t legally happen now, but the least the school could have done was not allow him back to school. Holding a bunch of meetings with the parents is pretty pointless if he is still attending classes.

The parents should not have allowed him to attend school. They did. They provided the gun. The dad LOL'd about it. It's a pretty straight line here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Punishing these two people may make us feel better, but it will NOT prevent the next shooting.

Lots of kids (in all countries) are mentally ill.

Lots of kids are growing up with irresponsible parents.

OUR culture gives such kids EASY access to firearms. They are EVERYWHERE (in our homes, our stores, our entertainment -- including the video games we give our boys). ALL adults have to take responsibility for the state of our society.

We cannot pretend that locking up a pair of individual parents fixes things.

Holding parents accountable for their deadly misdeeds isn't necessarily done to "fix things"

So we're acknowledging that jail/prison should be for punishment, not "rehabilitation?" Awesome! I am all for that!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Normally, I would not blame parents for their children's mental illness...but the circumstances of this case are unbelievable.

I think the parents are DEFINITELY negligent, as is the school.

That kid should have been sent directly to a mental hospital, and not allowed back into any classroom until a professional said it was safe for him to return.

He was suicidal and homicidal. If the administration was aware of that level of PHYSCIAL illness, he would not have been returned to the classroom.

Tragic.

How is the school negligent. Within the last 10 days pre-shooting and including the DAY of the shooting - I've seen that they've reached out to the parents at least 4 times. On top of the parents knowing he had issues and still buying him a weapon at 15. WTF?

November 21st - Ethan was searching bullets on his phone - his mother was called immediately and a voicemail was left.

November 21st - Ethan was searching bullets on his phone - his mother was sent an email regarding the same subject

November 26th - Father takes him Black Friday shopping for a gun

November 27th - Mother posts on FB 'Mom and son tests out his present' - she went shooting with him

November 29th - Ethan called in by administration

November 30th - Ethan called in by administration with parents

November 30th - Ethan shoots and kills 4 fellow students

The school is negligent because they kept letting him go to school everyday. If schools finds a kid to a threat they need to suspend them immediately until kid has been evaluated by a psych professional and home has had weapons removed or verified secured. Those things don’t legally happen now, but the least the school could have done was not allow him back to school. Holding a bunch of meetings with the parents is pretty pointless if he is still attending classes.

The parents should not have allowed him to attend school. They did. They provided the gun. The dad LOL'd about it. It's a pretty straight line here.

Schools can and should have suspended him. Duh. While of course the parents are negligent, the school is too. Just because the parents didn’t keep him home doesn’t mean the school can’t say he is allowed to attend because he is unsafe. That is the schools job to ultimately make that call because they are responsible for the safety of the entire student body. They failed the kids

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Punishing these two people may make us feel better, but it will NOT prevent the next shooting.

Lots of kids (in all countries) are mentally ill.

Lots of kids are growing up with irresponsible parents.

OUR culture gives such kids EASY access to firearms. They are EVERYWHERE (in our homes, our stores, our entertainment -- including the video games we give our boys). ALL adults have to take responsibility for the state of our society.

We cannot pretend that locking up a pair of individual parents fixes things.

Holding parents accountable for their deadly misdeeds isn't necessarily done to "fix things"

So we're acknowledging that jail/prison should be for punishment, not "rehabilitation?" Awesome! I am all for that!

Since when has jail in the U.S. ever been about rehabilitation? You're asking for something we don't do. And punishing them is a warning to all other negligent parents - get your households in line or you won't have one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Normally, I would not blame parents for their children's mental illness...but the circumstances of this case are unbelievable.

I think the parents are DEFINITELY negligent, as is the school.

That kid should have been sent directly to a mental hospital, and not allowed back into any classroom until a professional said it was safe for him to return.

He was suicidal and homicidal. If the administration was aware of that level of PHYSCIAL illness, he would not have been returned to the classroom.

Tragic.

How is the school negligent. Within the last 10 days pre-shooting and including the DAY of the shooting - I've seen that they've reached out to the parents at least 4 times. On top of the parents knowing he had issues and still buying him a weapon at 15. WTF?

November 21st - Ethan was searching bullets on his phone - his mother was called immediately and a voicemail was left.

November 21st - Ethan was searching bullets on his phone - his mother was sent an email regarding the same subject

November 26th - Father takes him Black Friday shopping for a gun

November 27th - Mother posts on FB 'Mom and son tests out his present' - she went shooting with him

November 29th - Ethan called in by administration

November 30th - Ethan called in by administration with parents

November 30th - Ethan shoots and kills 4 fellow students

The school is negligent because they kept letting him go to school everyday. If schools finds a kid to a threat they need to suspend them immediately until kid has been evaluated by a psych professional and home has had weapons removed or verified secured. Those things don’t legally happen now, but the least the school could have done was not allow him back to school. Holding a bunch of meetings with the parents is pretty pointless if he is still attending classes.

The parents should not have allowed him to attend school. They did. They provided the gun. The dad LOL'd about it. It's a pretty straight line here.

Schools can and should have suspended him. Duh. While of course the parents are negligent, the school is too. Just because the parents didn’t keep him home doesn’t mean the school can’t say he is allowed to attend because he is unsafe. That is the schools job to ultimately make that call because they are responsible for the safety of the entire student body. They failed the kids

The school didn't buy him a gun a week after he got caught searching bullets in class after making insane social media videos with explosives. Stop excusing the BS parenting. I hope they both get 3-5 years consecutive time in jail.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Punishing these two people may make us feel better, but it will NOT prevent the next shooting.

Lots of kids (in all countries) are mentally ill.

Lots of kids are growing up with irresponsible parents.

OUR culture gives such kids EASY access to firearms. They are EVERYWHERE (in our homes, our stores, our entertainment -- including the video games we give our boys). ALL adults have to take responsibility for the state of our society.

We cannot pretend that locking up a pair of individual parents fixes things.

1) it will give parents pause about providing their kid with a weapon
2) it may wake some parents up to addressing the needs of their kid

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Normally, I would not blame parents for their children's mental illness...but the circumstances of this case are unbelievable.

I think the parents are DEFINITELY negligent, as is the school.

That kid should have been sent directly to a mental hospital, and not allowed back into any classroom until a professional said it was safe for him to return.

He was suicidal and homicidal. If the administration was aware of that level of PHYSCIAL illness, he would not have been returned to the classroom.

Tragic.

How is the school negligent. Within the last 10 days pre-shooting and including the DAY of the shooting - I've seen that they've reached out to the parents at least 4 times. On top of the parents knowing he had issues and still buying him a weapon at 15. WTF?

November 21st - Ethan was searching bullets on his phone - his mother was called immediately and a voicemail was left.

November 21st - Ethan was searching bullets on his phone - his mother was sent an email regarding the same subject

November 26th - Father takes him Black Friday shopping for a gun

November 27th - Mother posts on FB 'Mom and son tests out his present' - she went shooting with him

November 29th - Ethan called in by administration

November 30th - Ethan called in by administration with parents

November 30th - Ethan shoots and kills 4 fellow students

The school is negligent because they kept letting him go to school everyday. If schools finds a kid to a threat they need to suspend them immediately until kid has been evaluated by a psych professional and home has had weapons removed or verified secured. Those things don’t legally happen now, but the least the school could have done was not allow him back to school. Holding a bunch of meetings with the parents is pretty pointless if he is still attending classes.

The parents should not have allowed him to attend school. They did. They provided the gun. The dad LOL'd about it. It's a pretty straight line here.

Schools can and should have suspended him. Duh. While of course the parents are negligent, the school is too. Just because the parents didn’t keep him home doesn’t mean the school can’t say he is allowed to attend because he is unsafe. That is the schools job to ultimately make that call because they are responsible for the safety of the entire student body. They failed the kids

The prosecutor said today that the parents refused to bring him home with them after the conference they had at the school the morning of the shooting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Normally, I would not blame parents for their children's mental illness...but the circumstances of this case are unbelievable.

I think the parents are DEFINITELY negligent, as is the school.

That kid should have been sent directly to a mental hospital, and not allowed back into any classroom until a professional said it was safe for him to return.

He was suicidal and homicidal. If the administration was aware of that level of PHYSCIAL illness, he would not have been returned to the classroom.

Tragic.

How is the school negligent. Within the last 10 days pre-shooting and including the DAY of the shooting - I've seen that they've reached out to the parents at least 4 times. On top of the parents knowing he had issues and still buying him a weapon at 15. WTF?

November 21st - Ethan was searching bullets on his phone - his mother was called immediately and a voicemail was left.

November 21st - Ethan was searching bullets on his phone - his mother was sent an email regarding the same subject

November 26th - Father takes him Black Friday shopping for a gun

November 27th - Mother posts on FB 'Mom and son tests out his present' - she went shooting with him

November 29th - Ethan called in by administration

November 30th - Ethan called in by administration with parents

November 30th - Ethan shoots and kills 4 fellow students

The school is negligent because they kept letting him go to school everyday. If schools finds a kid to a threat they need to suspend them immediately until kid has been evaluated by a psych professional and home has had weapons removed or verified secured. Those things don’t legally happen now, but the least the school could have done was not allow him back to school. Holding a bunch of meetings with the parents is pretty pointless if he is still attending classes.

The parents should not have allowed him to attend school. They did. They provided the gun. The dad LOL'd about it. It's a pretty straight line here.

Schools can and should have suspended him. Duh. While of course the parents are negligent, the school is too. Just because the parents didn’t keep him home doesn’t mean the school can’t say he is allowed to attend because he is unsafe. That is the schools job to ultimately make that call because they are responsible for the safety of the entire student body. They failed the kids

Suspended him for what? I see he searched bullets, but did he threaten someone?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Normally, I would not blame parents for their children's mental illness...but the circumstances of this case are unbelievable.

I think the parents are DEFINITELY negligent, as is the school.

That kid should have been sent directly to a mental hospital, and not allowed back into any classroom until a professional said it was safe for him to return.

He was suicidal and homicidal. If the administration was aware of that level of PHYSCIAL illness, he would not have been returned to the classroom.

Tragic.

How is the school negligent. Within the last 10 days pre-shooting and including the DAY of the shooting - I've seen that they've reached out to the parents at least 4 times. On top of the parents knowing he had issues and still buying him a weapon at 15. WTF?

November 21st - Ethan was searching bullets on his phone - his mother was called immediately and a voicemail was left.

November 21st - Ethan was searching bullets on his phone - his mother was sent an email regarding the same subject

November 26th - Father takes him Black Friday shopping for a gun

November 27th - Mother posts on FB 'Mom and son tests out his present' - she went shooting with him

November 29th - Ethan called in by administration

November 30th - Ethan called in by administration with parents

November 30th - Ethan shoots and kills 4 fellow students

The school is negligent because they kept letting him go to school everyday. If schools finds a kid to a threat they need to suspend them immediately until kid has been evaluated by a psych professional and home has had weapons removed or verified secured. Those things don’t legally happen now, but the least the school could have done was not allow him back to school. Holding a bunch of meetings with the parents is pretty pointless if he is still attending classes.

The parents should not have allowed him to attend school. They did. They provided the gun. The dad LOL'd about it. It's a pretty straight line here.

Schools can and should have suspended him. Duh. While of course the parents are negligent, the school is too. Just because the parents didn’t keep him home doesn’t mean the school can’t say he is allowed to attend because he is unsafe. That is the schools job to ultimately make that call because they are responsible for the safety of the entire student body. They failed the kids

The prosecutor said today that the parents refused to bring him home with them after the conference they had at the school the morning of the shooting.

Where the f is the 'school is the negligent' poster now? BOTH parents were in that administrative meeting and both refused to take their child home?

What. In. The. World.