School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.

[Anonymous]

The audacity.

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Anonymous wrote:Normally, I would not blame parents for their children's mental illness...but the circumstances of this case are unbelievable.

I think the parents are DEFINITELY negligent, as is the school.

That kid should have been sent directly to a mental hospital, and not allowed back into any classroom until a professional said it was safe for him to return.

He was suicidal and homicidal. If the administration was aware of that level of PHYSCIAL illness, he would not have been returned to the classroom.

Tragic.

How is the school negligent. Within the last 10 days pre-shooting and including the DAY of the shooting - I've seen that they've reached out to the parents at least 4 times. On top of the parents knowing he had issues and still buying him a weapon at 15. WTF?

November 21st - Ethan was searching bullets on his phone - his mother was called immediately and a voicemail was left.

November 21st - Ethan was searching bullets on his phone - his mother was sent an email regarding the same subject

November 26th - Father takes him Black Friday shopping for a gun

November 27th - Mother posts on FB 'Mom and son tests out his present' - she went shooting with him

November 29th - Ethan called in by administration

November 30th - Ethan called in by administration with parents

November 30th - Ethan shoots and kills 4 fellow students

The school is negligent because they kept letting him go to school everyday. If schools finds a kid to a threat they need to suspend them immediately until kid has been evaluated by a psych professional and home has had weapons removed or verified secured. Those things don’t legally happen now, but the least the school could have done was not allow him back to school. Holding a bunch of meetings with the parents is pretty pointless if he is still attending classes.

The parents should not have allowed him to attend school. They did. They provided the gun. The dad LOL'd about it. It's a pretty straight line here.

Schools can and should have suspended him. Duh. While of course the parents are negligent, the school is too. Just because the parents didn’t keep him home doesn’t mean the school can’t say he is allowed to attend because he is unsafe. That is the schools job to ultimately make that call because they are responsible for the safety of the entire student body. They failed the kids

The school didn't buy him a gun a week after he got caught searching bullets in class after making insane social media videos with explosives. Stop excusing the BS parenting. I hope they both get 3-5 years consecutive time in jail.

Are you seriously arguing the school shouldn’t have suspended him?? Of course the parents should be prosecuted. But they school absolutely had the responsibility to suspend him and should have called police to escort him out if he wouldn’t leave. The school continues to let him go to class day and day even with strong evidence of threats and violent behaviors. That is a total fail on their part

[Anonymous]

Covid was amazing. No mass school shootings and parents were responsible for parenting their own damned kids. Now we've got school shooters back and their negligent parents just washing their hands of the entire thing and buying them guns because who cares?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Normally, I would not blame parents for their children's mental illness...but the circumstances of this case are unbelievable.

I think the parents are DEFINITELY negligent, as is the school.

That kid should have been sent directly to a mental hospital, and not allowed back into any classroom until a professional said it was safe for him to return.

He was suicidal and homicidal. If the administration was aware of that level of PHYSCIAL illness, he would not have been returned to the classroom.

Tragic.

How is the school negligent. Within the last 10 days pre-shooting and including the DAY of the shooting - I've seen that they've reached out to the parents at least 4 times. On top of the parents knowing he had issues and still buying him a weapon at 15. WTF?

November 21st - Ethan was searching bullets on his phone - his mother was called immediately and a voicemail was left.

November 21st - Ethan was searching bullets on his phone - his mother was sent an email regarding the same subject

November 26th - Father takes him Black Friday shopping for a gun

November 27th - Mother posts on FB 'Mom and son tests out his present' - she went shooting with him

November 29th - Ethan called in by administration

November 30th - Ethan called in by administration with parents

November 30th - Ethan shoots and kills 4 fellow students

The school is negligent because they kept letting him go to school everyday. If schools finds a kid to a threat they need to suspend them immediately until kid has been evaluated by a psych professional and home has had weapons removed or verified secured. Those things don’t legally happen now, but the least the school could have done was not allow him back to school. Holding a bunch of meetings with the parents is pretty pointless if he is still attending classes.

The parents should not have allowed him to attend school. They did. They provided the gun. The dad LOL'd about it. It's a pretty straight line here.

Schools can and should have suspended him. Duh. While of course the parents are negligent, the school is too. Just because the parents didn’t keep him home doesn’t mean the school can’t say he is allowed to attend because he is unsafe. That is the schools job to ultimately make that call because they are responsible for the safety of the entire student body. They failed the kids

The school didn't buy him a gun a week after he got caught searching bullets in class after making insane social media videos with explosives. Stop excusing the BS parenting. I hope they both get 3-5 years consecutive time in jail.

Are you seriously arguing the school shouldn’t have suspended him?? Of course the parents should be prosecuted. But they school absolutely had the responsibility to suspend him and should have called police to escort him out if he wouldn’t leave. The school continues to let him go to class day and day even with strong evidence of threats and violent behaviors. That is a total fail on their part

Sounds like the school tried to suspend him and the PARENTS REFUSED TO TAKE HIM. What were they supposed to do? Can you call the police and send a 15-year-old to jail who hasn't done anything physically?

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The prosecutor said today that the parents refused to bring him home with them after the conference they had at the school the morning of the shooting.

Where the f is the 'school is the negligent' poster now? BOTH parents were in that administrative meeting and both refused to take their child home?

What. In. The. World.

+1 negligent as parents and culpable in the murders. Horrible, just horrible. Wonder if she's dumb enough to write an open letter to Trump to come save her.

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^^She did not say they refused, she said they resisted.
Does not matter.

Why would you leave the safety of everyone else in the school in the hands of parents of the disturbed kid? What are the odds that they make great decisions?

The child gave every sign of wanting to kill himself. The school told the parent to get him help within TWO DAYS. He should have been shipped off to a hospital for psychiatric evaluation immediately.

Again, kids like these have often spent a lifetime with poor parents. Time for the professional to step in and over-ride their poor judgement.

This is NOT downplaying parents' culpability. It is saying that the school administration was responsible for protecting the other students and staff, not whatever semblance of a parent walks thru the door.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Normally, I would not blame parents for their children's mental illness...but the circumstances of this case are unbelievable.

I think the parents are DEFINITELY negligent, as is the school.

That kid should have been sent directly to a mental hospital, and not allowed back into any classroom until a professional said it was safe for him to return.

He was suicidal and homicidal. If the administration was aware of that level of PHYSCIAL illness, he would not have been returned to the classroom.

Tragic.

How is the school negligent. Within the last 10 days pre-shooting and including the DAY of the shooting - I've seen that they've reached out to the parents at least 4 times. On top of the parents knowing he had issues and still buying him a weapon at 15. WTF?

November 21st - Ethan was searching bullets on his phone - his mother was called immediately and a voicemail was left.

November 21st - Ethan was searching bullets on his phone - his mother was sent an email regarding the same subject

November 26th - Father takes him Black Friday shopping for a gun

November 27th - Mother posts on FB 'Mom and son tests out his present' - she went shooting with him

November 29th - Ethan called in by administration

November 30th - Ethan called in by administration with parents

November 30th - Ethan shoots and kills 4 fellow students

The school is negligent because they kept letting him go to school everyday. If schools finds a kid to a threat they need to suspend them immediately until kid has been evaluated by a psych professional and home has had weapons removed or verified secured. Those things don’t legally happen now, but the least the school could have done was not allow him back to school. Holding a bunch of meetings with the parents is pretty pointless if he is still attending classes.

The parents should not have allowed him to attend school. They did. They provided the gun. The dad LOL'd about it. It's a pretty straight line here.

Schools can and should have suspended him. Duh. While of course the parents are negligent, the school is too. Just because the parents didn’t keep him home doesn’t mean the school can’t say he is allowed to attend because he is unsafe. That is the schools job to ultimately make that call because they are responsible for the safety of the entire student body. They failed the kids

The school didn't buy him a gun a week after he got caught searching bullets in class after making insane social media videos with explosives. Stop excusing the BS parenting. I hope they both get 3-5 years consecutive time in jail.

Are you seriously arguing the school shouldn’t have suspended him?? Of course the parents should be prosecuted. But they school absolutely had the responsibility to suspend him and should have called police to escort him out if he wouldn’t leave. The school continues to let him go to class day and day even with strong evidence of threats and violent behaviors. That is a total fail on their part

Sounds like the school tried to suspend him and the PARENTS REFUSED TO TAKE HIM. What were they supposed to do? Can you call the police and send a 15-year-old to jail who hasn't done anything physically?

Yes, they call the police and say their is a suspended student that won’t leave the property and present them
With the evidence of why he is suspended. They police would have told him and parents to leave.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Normally, I would not blame parents for their children's mental illness...but the circumstances of this case are unbelievable.

I think the parents are DEFINITELY negligent, as is the school.

That kid should have been sent directly to a mental hospital, and not allowed back into any classroom until a professional said it was safe for him to return.

He was suicidal and homicidal. If the administration was aware of that level of PHYSCIAL illness, he would not have been returned to the classroom.

Tragic.

How is the school negligent. Within the last 10 days pre-shooting and including the DAY of the shooting - I've seen that they've reached out to the parents at least 4 times. On top of the parents knowing he had issues and still buying him a weapon at 15. WTF?

November 21st - Ethan was searching bullets on his phone - his mother was called immediately and a voicemail was left.

November 21st - Ethan was searching bullets on his phone - his mother was sent an email regarding the same subject

November 26th - Father takes him Black Friday shopping for a gun

November 27th - Mother posts on FB 'Mom and son tests out his present' - she went shooting with him

November 29th - Ethan called in by administration

November 30th - Ethan called in by administration with parents

November 30th - Ethan shoots and kills 4 fellow students

The school is negligent because they kept letting him go to school everyday. If schools finds a kid to a threat they need to suspend them immediately until kid has been evaluated by a psych professional and home has had weapons removed or verified secured. Those things don’t legally happen now, but the least the school could have done was not allow him back to school. Holding a bunch of meetings with the parents is pretty pointless if he is still attending classes.

The parents should not have allowed him to attend school. They did. They provided the gun. The dad LOL'd about it. It's a pretty straight line here.

Schools can and should have suspended him. Duh. While of course the parents are negligent, the school is too. Just because the parents didn’t keep him home doesn’t mean the school can’t say he is allowed to attend because he is unsafe. That is the schools job to ultimately make that call because they are responsible for the safety of the entire student body. They failed the kids

The school didn't buy him a gun a week after he got caught searching bullets in class after making insane social media videos with explosives. Stop excusing the BS parenting. I hope they both get 3-5 years consecutive time in jail.

Are you seriously arguing the school shouldn’t have suspended him?? Of course the parents should be prosecuted. But they school absolutely had the responsibility to suspend him and should have called police to escort him out if he wouldn’t leave. The school continues to let him go to class day and day even with strong evidence of threats and violent behaviors. That is a total fail on their part

Sounds like the school tried to suspend him and the PARENTS REFUSED TO TAKE HIM. What were they supposed to do? Can you call the police and send a 15-year-old to jail who hasn't done anything physically?

If we was suspended, and he refused to leave, that's tresspassing. Yes, they could have called the cops to escort him out.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Normally, I would not blame parents for their children's mental illness...but the circumstances of this case are unbelievable.

I think the parents are DEFINITELY negligent, as is the school.

That kid should have been sent directly to a mental hospital, and not allowed back into any classroom until a professional said it was safe for him to return.

He was suicidal and homicidal. If the administration was aware of that level of PHYSCIAL illness, he would not have been returned to the classroom.

Tragic.

How is the school negligent. Within the last 10 days pre-shooting and including the DAY of the shooting - I've seen that they've reached out to the parents at least 4 times. On top of the parents knowing he had issues and still buying him a weapon at 15. WTF?

November 21st - Ethan was searching bullets on his phone - his mother was called immediately and a voicemail was left.

November 21st - Ethan was searching bullets on his phone - his mother was sent an email regarding the same subject

November 26th - Father takes him Black Friday shopping for a gun

November 27th - Mother posts on FB 'Mom and son tests out his present' - she went shooting with him

November 29th - Ethan called in by administration

November 30th - Ethan called in by administration with parents

November 30th - Ethan shoots and kills 4 fellow students

The school is negligent because they kept letting him go to school everyday. If schools finds a kid to a threat they need to suspend them immediately until kid has been evaluated by a psych professional and home has had weapons removed or verified secured. Those things don’t legally happen now, but the least the school could have done was not allow him back to school. Holding a bunch of meetings with the parents is pretty pointless if he is still attending classes.

The parents should not have allowed him to attend school. They did. They provided the gun. The dad LOL'd about it. It's a pretty straight line here.

Schools can and should have suspended him. Duh. While of course the parents are negligent, the school is too. Just because the parents didn’t keep him home doesn’t mean the school can’t say he is allowed to attend because he is unsafe. That is the schools job to ultimately make that call because they are responsible for the safety of the entire student body. They failed the kids

The school didn't buy him a gun a week after he got caught searching bullets in class after making insane social media videos with explosives. Stop excusing the BS parenting. I hope they both get 3-5 years consecutive time in jail.

Are you seriously arguing the school shouldn’t have suspended him?? Of course the parents should be prosecuted. But they school absolutely had the responsibility to suspend him and should have called police to escort him out if he wouldn’t leave. The school continues to let him go to class day and day even with strong evidence of threats and violent behaviors. That is a total fail on their part

Sounds like the school tried to suspend him and the PARENTS REFUSED TO TAKE HIM. What were they supposed to do? Can you call the police and send a 15-year-old to jail who hasn't done anything physically?

Yes, they call the police and say their is a suspended student that won’t leave the property and present them
With the evidence of why he is suspended. They police would have told him and parents to leave.

Or brought kid to the station for parents to pick up, or taken home. But yes. They school,
Under no circumstance should have allowed this kid back on school property given what they KNEW before the shooting happened.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^She did not say they refused, she said they resisted.
Does not matter.

Why would you leave the safety of everyone else in the school in the hands of parents of the disturbed kid? What are the odds that they make great decisions?

The child gave every sign of wanting to kill himself. The school told the parent to get him help within TWO DAYS. He should have been shipped off to a hospital for psychiatric evaluation immediately.

Again, kids like these have often spent a lifetime with poor parents. Time for the professional to step in and over-ride their poor judgement.

This is NOT downplaying parents' culpability. It is saying that the school administration was responsible for protecting the other students and staff, not whatever semblance of a parent walks thru the door.

Oh wait - now you want to Baker Act the kid without the permission of the legal guardians or parents? The parents say there, refused to do anything about their, resisted taking him home. They sure as hell weren't going to help section him.

So disturbing. The school did all they could.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^She did not say they refused, she said they resisted.
Does not matter.

Why would you leave the safety of everyone else in the school in the hands of parents of the disturbed kid? What are the odds that they make great decisions?

The child gave every sign of wanting to kill himself. The school told the parent to get him help within TWO DAYS. He should have been shipped off to a hospital for psychiatric evaluation immediately.

Again, kids like these have often spent a lifetime with poor parents. Time for the professional to step in and over-ride their poor judgement.

This is NOT downplaying parents' culpability. It is saying that the school administration was responsible for protecting the other students and staff, not whatever semblance of a parent walks thru the door.

Oh wait - now you want to Baker Act the kid without the permission of the legal guardians or parents? The parents sat there, refused to do anything about their kid, resisted taking him home. They sure as hell weren't going to help section him after buying him a gun days before.

So disturbing. The school did all they could.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^She did not say they refused, she said they resisted.
Does not matter.

Why would you leave the safety of everyone else in the school in the hands of parents of the disturbed kid? What are the odds that they make great decisions?

The child gave every sign of wanting to kill himself. The school told the parent to get him help within TWO DAYS. He should have been shipped off to a hospital for psychiatric evaluation immediately.

Again, kids like these have often spent a lifetime with poor parents. Time for the professional to step in and over-ride their poor judgement.

This is NOT downplaying parents' culpability. It is saying that the school administration was responsible for protecting the other students and staff, not whatever semblance of a parent walks thru the door.

But but but this would be socialism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^She did not say they refused, she said they resisted.
Does not matter.

Why would you leave the safety of everyone else in the school in the hands of parents of the disturbed kid? What are the odds that they make great decisions?

The child gave every sign of wanting to kill himself. The school told the parent to get him help within TWO DAYS. He should have been shipped off to a hospital for psychiatric evaluation immediately.

Again, kids like these have often spent a lifetime with poor parents. Time for the professional to step in and over-ride their poor judgement.

This is NOT downplaying parents' culpability. It is saying that the school administration was responsible for protecting the other students and staff, not whatever semblance of a parent walks thru the door.

Oh wait - now you want to Baker Act the kid without the permission of the legal guardians or parents? The parents sat there, refused to do anything about their kid, resisted taking him home. They sure as hell weren't going to help section him after buying him a gun days before.

So disturbing. The school did all they could.

Since when does a school need a parents permission to suspend due to safety concern?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^She did not say they refused, she said they resisted.
Does not matter.

Why would you leave the safety of everyone else in the school in the hands of parents of the disturbed kid? What are the odds that they make great decisions?

The child gave every sign of wanting to kill himself. The school told the parent to get him help within TWO DAYS. He should have been shipped off to a hospital for psychiatric evaluation immediately.

Again, kids like these have often spent a lifetime with poor parents. Time for the professional to step in and over-ride their poor judgement.

This is NOT downplaying parents' culpability. It is saying that the school administration was responsible for protecting the other students and staff, not whatever semblance of a parent walks thru the door.

But but but this would be socialism.

Its funny because this same board has been arguing for a year for PARENT'S RIGHTS. Parents should choose. Parents harassing the school boards. Parents threatening teachers.

Now you want the school to override the parents decision not to take their troublemaking kid? Funny.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^She did not say they refused, she said they resisted.
Does not matter.

Why would you leave the safety of everyone else in the school in the hands of parents of the disturbed kid? What are the odds that they make great decisions?

The child gave every sign of wanting to kill himself. The school told the parent to get him help within TWO DAYS. He should have been shipped off to a hospital for psychiatric evaluation immediately.

Again, kids like these have often spent a lifetime with poor parents. Time for the professional to step in and over-ride their poor judgement.

This is NOT downplaying parents' culpability. It is saying that the school administration was responsible for protecting the other students and staff, not whatever semblance of a parent walks thru the door.

Oh wait - now you want to Baker Act the kid without the permission of the legal guardians or parents? The parents sat there, refused to do anything about their kid, resisted taking him home. They sure as hell weren't going to help section him after buying him a gun days before.

So disturbing. The school did all they could.

Why didn’t the school call police if they felt he was threat?