School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.

[Anonymous]

PLEASE do more than post on DCUM:

https://blog.greatnonprofits.org/9-organizations-making-progress-towards-gun-control/

If we DO nothing, the carnage will only continue.

Think of the holidays those poor parents will now have.

TAKE ACTION or condemn our children and grandchildren to this future.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone find it odd that 99% of school shootings are committed by white males? If this was an area that had gangs or other criminal activity, you could associate the terrible actions to environmental factors. But that doesn’t seem to be the case. So what’s the reason this demographic of children is so prone to murdering other children?

In areas with gangs or other criminal activities kids are murdering kids too, just not on school premises. It's next to impossible in those areas to sneak a gun into a school. My local high school puts everyone through metal detectors, including the parents who bring in their pre-school children to the pool on Sundays for swimming lessons. They think someone might hide a gun or a knife somewhere in school.

[Anonymous]

Really wish I could sit on the jury that tries the parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Normally, I would not blame parents for their children's mental illness...but the circumstances of this case are unbelievable.

I think the parents are DEFINITELY negligent, as is the school.

That kid should have been sent directly to a mental hospital, and not allowed back into any classroom until a professional said it was safe for him to return.

He was suicidal and homicidal. If the administration was aware of that level of PHYSCIAL illness, he would not have been returned to the classroom.

Tragic.

How is the school negligent. Within the last 10 days pre-shooting and including the DAY of the shooting - I've seen that they've reached out to the parents at least 4 times. On top of the parents knowing he had issues and still buying him a weapon at 15. WTF?

November 21st - Ethan was searching bullets on his phone - his mother was called immediately and a voicemail was left.

November 21st - Ethan was searching bullets on his phone - his mother was sent an email regarding the same subject

November 26th - Father takes him Black Friday shopping for a gun

November 27th - Mother posts on FB 'Mom and son tests out his present' - she went shooting with him

November 29th - Ethan called in by administration

November 30th - Ethan called in by administration with parents

November 30th - Ethan shoots and kills 4 fellow students

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There IS no more important issue in our country.

If you are voting for Republicans because your taxes or regulations will be lower, and you can accumulate more wealth, you have some VERY mixed up values.

All of the money in the world won't matter if your kid gets GUNNED DOWN at school, like those poor babies in Newton.

WE NEED sane gun regulation. AND fewer guns in circulation.

But what does this mean? If the dad purchased this gun legally what sort of “gun regulation” could have prevented this?

Exorbitantly expensive insurance required for gun owners would be a start.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PLEASE do more than post on DCUM:

https://blog.greatnonprofits.org/9-organizations-making-progress-towards-gun-control/

If we DO nothing, the carnage will only continue.

Think of the holidays those poor parents will now have.

TAKE ACTION or condemn our children and grandchildren to this future.

Unless you think the answer is to not allow people to own gun at all, I don’t see how “gun control” can prevent this. Lots of people own gun legally that members of their household may have access to. Sure you can attach a crime to not securing weapon properly, but too late after something bad happens. Why are teens using gun to shoot their innocent classmates?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There IS no more important issue in our country.

If you are voting for Republicans because your taxes or regulations will be lower, and you can accumulate more wealth, you have some VERY mixed up values.

All of the money in the world won't matter if your kid gets GUNNED DOWN at school, like those poor babies in Newton.

WE NEED sane gun regulation. AND fewer guns in circulation.

But what does this mean? If the dad purchased this gun legally what sort of “gun regulation” could have prevented this?

Exorbitantly expensive insurance required for gun owners would be a start.

I can get behind that 100%. Anyone else have any ideas?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There IS no more important issue in our country.

If you are voting for Republicans because your taxes or regulations will be lower, and you can accumulate more wealth, you have some VERY mixed up values.

All of the money in the world won't matter if your kid gets GUNNED DOWN at school, like those poor babies in Newton.

WE NEED sane gun regulation. AND fewer guns in circulation.

But what does this mean? If the dad purchased this gun legally what sort of “gun regulation” could have prevented this?

Exorbitantly expensive insurance required for gun owners would be a start.

I can get behind that 100%. Anyone else have any ideas?

A rigorous licensing (and license renewal) program akin to driving licensure. Extremely harsh penalties for failure to secure guns and criminal responsibility for gun owners if there guns are misused by others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Normally, I would not blame parents for their children's mental illness...but the circumstances of this case are unbelievable.

I think the parents are DEFINITELY negligent, as is the school.

That kid should have been sent directly to a mental hospital, and not allowed back into any classroom until a professional said it was safe for him to return.

He was suicidal and homicidal. If the administration was aware of that level of PHYSCIAL illness, he would not have been returned to the classroom.

Tragic.

How is the school negligent. Within the last 10 days pre-shooting and including the DAY of the shooting - I've seen that they've reached out to the parents at least 4 times. On top of the parents knowing he had issues and still buying him a weapon at 15. WTF?

November 21st - Ethan was searching bullets on his phone - his mother was called immediately and a voicemail was left.

November 21st - Ethan was searching bullets on his phone - his mother was sent an email regarding the same subject

November 26th - Father takes him Black Friday shopping for a gun

November 27th - Mother posts on FB 'Mom and son tests out his present' - she went shooting with him

November 29th - Ethan called in by administration

November 30th - Ethan called in by administration with parents

November 30th - Ethan shoots and kills 4 fellow students

The school is negligent because they kept letting him go to school everyday. If schools finds a kid to a threat they need to suspend them immediately until kid has been evaluated by a psych professional and home has had weapons removed or verified secured. Those things don’t legally happen now, but the least the school could have done was not allow him back to school. Holding a bunch of meetings with the parents is pretty pointless if he is still attending classes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Normally, I would not blame parents for their children's mental illness...but the circumstances of this case are unbelievable.

I think the parents are DEFINITELY negligent, as is the school.

That kid should have been sent directly to a mental hospital, and not allowed back into any classroom until a professional said it was safe for him to return.

He was suicidal and homicidal. If the administration was aware of that level of PHYSCIAL illness, he would not have been returned to the classroom.

Tragic.

How is the school negligent. Within the last 10 days pre-shooting and including the DAY of the shooting - I've seen that they've reached out to the parents at least 4 times. On top of the parents knowing he had issues and still buying him a weapon at 15. WTF?

November 21st - Ethan was searching bullets on his phone - his mother was called immediately and a voicemail was left.

November 21st - Ethan was searching bullets on his phone - his mother was sent an email regarding the same subject

November 26th - Father takes him Black Friday shopping for a gun

November 27th - Mother posts on FB 'Mom and son tests out his present' - she went shooting with him

November 29th - Ethan called in by administration

November 30th - Ethan called in by administration with parents

November 30th - Ethan shoots and kills 4 fellow students

It’s time to stop putting one kid’s right to an education in a general ed setting over other students’ rights to safety. The school should have suspended him after the first incident. I bet there were plenty of other calls to the parents over the years and teachers who brought him up way before this.

[Anonymous]

The morning of the Oxford High School shooting, a teacher found drawings of a gun and bleeding person by Ethan Crumbley, with the words "the thoughts won't stop," a prosecutor says. Less than two weeks earlier, they say his parents bought him a gun.

Listen to these 2 minutes describing what happened the day of the shooting, what the parents were told at a conference at the school, and how they never said anything about buying Ethan a gun.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The morning of the Oxford High School shooting, a teacher found drawings of a gun and bleeding person by Ethan Crumbley, with the words "the thoughts won't stop," a prosecutor says. Less than two weeks earlier, they say his parents bought him a gun.

Listen to these 2 minutes describing what happened the day of the shooting, what the parents were told at a conference at the school, and how they never said anything about buying Ethan a gun.

[Anonymous]

How did they not search his backpack right then and there?

[Anonymous]

Punishing these two people may make us feel better, but it will NOT prevent the next shooting.

Lots of kids (in all countries) are mentally ill.

Lots of kids are growing up with irresponsible parents.

OUR culture gives such kids EASY access to firearms. They are EVERYWHERE (in our homes, our stores, our entertainment -- including the video games we give our boys). ALL adults have to take responsibility for the state of our society.

We cannot pretend that locking up a pair of individual parents fixes things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Punishing these two people may make us feel better, but it will NOT prevent the next shooting.

Lots of kids (in all countries) are mentally ill.

Lots of kids are growing up with irresponsible parents.

OUR culture gives such kids EASY access to firearms. They are EVERYWHERE (in our homes, our stores, our entertainment -- including the video games we give our boys). ALL adults have to take responsibility for the state of our society.

We cannot pretend that locking up a pair of individual parents fixes things.

Actually it could - if it leads to a movement of nationalized laws that automatically charge the parents/guardians of school shooters WHO OWN WEAPONS. Let them face a few years in the pen - their tune on gun rights or loose weapons all throughout the house will change very quickly.