Homeless Man Killed by Fellow Passenger on NYC Subway

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm kind of shocked by how sanctimonious some people are so quick to condemn this marine, when they themselves are sheltered from the problem, and don't expect to be in a situation threatened by mentally ill people roaming the streets.

Someone actually suggested giving him some water, lol. All you sanctimonious people need to go out and see the problem for yourselves. Get out of your protected bubble before you condemn this marine.

+1. Even when the fact pattern shows that he was literally assaulting grannies and trying to murder people, they will see him as Jean Valjean-- because they are so removed from reality and have no empathy toward anyone who looks or sounds like themselves.

The fact pattern is that a marine with PTSD murdered someone who triggered him.

I’m one of the posters above saying we should reserve judgment until all facts are known. I read that the Marine was posted in the Mediterranean - not sure he’s ever been to a combat zone, so PTSD might not be an argument here.

You do know there are many ways besides combat to get PTSD.

My brother who is a homicide detective has PTSD. .

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting that people think the Marine should know the "necessary" amount of time to choke someone and would know what amount is "more than necessary." Perhaps I don't have as much experience choking people as the former prosecutor has, where he can be precise when he finds himself needing to subdue someone. You know, one of those everyday situations where you fear for your life and have to choke someone for just the right amount of time to make them pass out but not die.

Well, if you are going to use a potentially lethal solution to a problem, you should probably rethink it if you don’t know where the line between lethal and non-lethal is. Or be prepared to be charged.

Let's back up. Why do you think it is acceptable to put people in this position? The government has decided that it has no responsibility toward severely mentally ill person, and leaves the general public to deal with it at random. The results will OBVIOUSLY be death or violence. Sometimes when the mentally ill person randomly punches them in the face, as Neely did to an elderly lady earlier. Sometimes when the mentally ill person tries to throw someone on the tracks, as Neely did a week ago. And sometimes when someone, like Penny, steps in to protect the public.

There's no way to celebrate what happened on that subway. But there's also no way to rationally pretend that Penny was homicidal, based on the facts as we know them. People are not going to continue to be okay with increasing levels of violence and decreasing levels of protection. They will also not tolerate the status quo in which anyone who tries to protect themselves is cast as a villain. You would have no interest in this case if it were Neely who choked out Penny. No one is protesting for the normies.

I am not claiming that he was homicidal. I am claiming that he used a restraint technique that is known to be extremely dangerous, to the point that LE avoids using it, with which he had little or no experience, and it resulted in the death of a man who had not touched anyone on that train. I don’t think he meant to cause death, but he did. Is there to be no consequence for this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm kind of shocked by how sanctimonious some people are so quick to condemn this marine, when they themselves are sheltered from the problem, and don't expect to be in a situation threatened by mentally ill people roaming the streets.

Someone actually suggested giving him some water, lol. All you sanctimonious people need to go out and see the problem for yourselves. Get out of your protected bubble before you condemn this marine.

+1. Even when the fact pattern shows that he was literally assaulting grannies and trying to murder people, they will see him as Jean Valjean-- because they are so removed from reality and have no empathy toward anyone who looks or sounds like themselves.

Careful, someone is goung to respond to you with the same cycle of arguments of the last 20 odd pages "the people on that train didn't know his history". To which someone will respond "his history makes it credible that his behavior was threatening". And on in the cycle.

But the core problem has been stated many times. The mentally ill are being allowed to roam the subways and kill and maim riders. The people up in arms about this case, did they protest like this for the riders pushed on the tracks? No, because we are supposed to "move cars" or something to avoid them. Talk about blaming the victim!

Yea the victims are the homeless

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The marine was a hero protecting NYC residents from violent, unhinged trash. Unless you’ve lived in NYC do not come on here and spout your nonsense. That dead man’s family and city government failed him and it was left to others to police his vile, out-of-control behavior. Good riddance.

I lie in NYC and he’s no hero to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The marine was a hero protecting NYC residents from violent, unhinged trash. Unless you’ve lived in NYC do not come on here and spout your nonsense. That dead man’s family and city government failed him and it was left to others to police his vile, out-of-control behavior. Good riddance.

I lie in NYC and he’s no hero to me.

Neely should have been locked up several times over. He wasn't,cso this is the result. Penny did the job, protecting people, that NYC refused to do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The marine was a hero protecting NYC residents from violent, unhinged trash. Unless you’ve lived in NYC do not come on here and spout your nonsense. That dead man’s family and city government failed him and it was left to others to police his vile, out-of-control behavior. Good riddance.

I lie in NYC and he’s no hero to me.

Neely should have been locked up several times over. He wasn't,cso this is the result. Penny did the job, protecting people, that NYC refused to do.

Locked up for panhandling… yea.. no!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The marine was a hero protecting NYC residents from violent, unhinged trash. Unless you’ve lived in NYC do not come on here and spout your nonsense. That dead man’s family and city government failed him and it was left to others to police his vile, out-of-control behavior. Good riddance.

I lie in NYC and he’s no hero to me.

Neely should have been locked up several times over. He wasn't,cso this is the result. Penny did the job, protecting people, that NYC refused to do.

Locked up for panhandling… yea.. no!

Locked for punching that man, punching that woman, pushing that woman, kidnapping that child, etc. Neely was currently in violation of probation. He literally should have been locked up. But NYC didn't do that.

[Anonymous]

To the lawyers following this thread, I have a question. Is there a law or statute which may allow a person to decline to ride public transport, with legal protection or required accommodations at work? Because if this marine is convicted, I'd like to claim that I don't feel safe riding the subway, but not have it affect my job e.g. if I am late arriving. Maybe something under the ADA?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm kind of shocked by how sanctimonious some people are so quick to condemn this marine, when they themselves are sheltered from the problem, and don't expect to be in a situation threatened by mentally ill people roaming the streets.

Someone actually suggested giving him some water, lol. All you sanctimonious people need to go out and see the problem for yourselves. Get out of your protected bubble before you condemn this marine.

You’re telling on yourself. There are a lot of people in this thread who aren’t sheltered from this problem and do live in cities and take public transportation. None of us have killed anyone, though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm kind of shocked by how sanctimonious some people are so quick to condemn this marine, when they themselves are sheltered from the problem, and don't expect to be in a situation threatened by mentally ill people roaming the streets.

Someone actually suggested giving him some water, lol. All you sanctimonious people need to go out and see the problem for yourselves. Get out of your protected bubble before you condemn this marine.

You’re telling on yourself. There are a lot of people in this thread who aren’t sheltered from this problem and do live in cities and take public transportation. None of us have killed anyone, though.

Nor have you been punched in the face receiving a broken nose and broken orbital bone?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The marine was a hero protecting NYC residents from violent, unhinged trash. Unless you’ve lived in NYC do not come on here and spout your nonsense. That dead man’s family and city government failed him and it was left to others to police his vile, out-of-control behavior. Good riddance.

I lie in NYC and he’s no hero to me.

Neely should have been locked up several times over. He wasn't,cso this is the result. Penny did the job, protecting people, that NYC refused to do.

Locked up for panhandling… yea.. no!

I think the Marine used excessive force but the homeless guy did have an outstanding warrant for assault. It wasn’t just panhandling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm kind of shocked by how sanctimonious some people are so quick to condemn this marine, when they themselves are sheltered from the problem, and don't expect to be in a situation threatened by mentally ill people roaming the streets.

Someone actually suggested giving him some water, lol. All you sanctimonious people need to go out and see the problem for yourselves. Get out of your protected bubble before you condemn this marine.

You’re telling on yourself. There are a lot of people in this thread who aren’t sheltered from this problem and do live in cities and take public transportation. None of us have killed anyone, though.

Nor have you been punched in the face receiving a broken nose and broken orbital bone?

The people he did that to had just cause to kill him. The guy who killed him did not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's interesting that people think the Marine should know the "necessary" amount of time to choke someone and would know what amount is "more than necessary." Perhaps I don't have as much experience choking people as the former prosecutor has, where he can be precise when he finds himself needing to subdue someone. You know, one of those everyday situations where you fear for your life and have to choke someone for just the right amount of time to make them pass out but not die.

Well, if you are going to use a potentially lethal solution to a problem, you should probably rethink it if you don’t know where the line between lethal and non-lethal is. Or be prepared to be charged.

Let's back up. Why do you think it is acceptable to put people in this position? The government has decided that it has no responsibility toward severely mentally ill person, and leaves the general public to deal with it at random. The results will OBVIOUSLY be death or violence. Sometimes when the mentally ill person randomly punches them in the face, as Neely did to an elderly lady earlier. Sometimes when the mentally ill person tries to throw someone on the tracks, as Neely did a week ago. And sometimes when someone, like Penny, steps in to protect the public.

There's no way to celebrate what happened on that subway. But there's also no way to rationally pretend that Penny was homicidal, based on the facts as we know them. People are not going to continue to be okay with increasing levels of violence and decreasing levels of protection. They will also not tolerate the status quo in which anyone who tries to protect themselves is cast as a villain. You would have no interest in this case if it were Neely who choked out Penny. No one is protesting for the normies.

I am not claiming that he was homicidal. I am claiming that he used a restraint technique that is known to be extremely dangerous, to the point that LE avoids using it, with which he had little or no experience, and it resulted in the death of a man who had not touched anyone on that train. I don’t think he meant to cause death, but he did. Is there to be no consequence for this?

We are in violent agreement that the situation is dangerous. Where we disagree is that I think this calls for more policing, stricter policing, etc, and your solution is to expand the prison system and lock up the people defending themselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm kind of shocked by how sanctimonious some people are so quick to condemn this marine, when they themselves are sheltered from the problem, and don't expect to be in a situation threatened by mentally ill people roaming the streets.

Someone actually suggested giving him some water, lol. All you sanctimonious people need to go out and see the problem for yourselves. Get out of your protected bubble before you condemn this marine.

You’re telling on yourself. There are a lot of people in this thread who aren’t sheltered from this problem and do live in cities and take public transportation. None of us have killed anyone, though.

You can claim whatever you want on an anonymous board, but if you don't see the problem, you haven't seen the problem

[Anonymous]

That could’ve been anyone on this forum, getting strangled to death by that monster. How he’s not under arrest yet for murdering that man is baffling to me.

Think about that for a minute dcum…. this could just as easily have been YOU instead of Neely. He’s dead because he rode the subway.

This is where trump’s america has brought us. We will ever make our way back?