Homeless Man Killed by Fellow Passenger on NYC Subway

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Anonymous wrote:That could’ve been anyone on this forum, getting strangled to death by that monster. How he’s not under arrest yet for murdering that man is baffling to me.

Think about that for a minute dcum…. this could just as easily have been YOU instead of Neely. He’s dead because he rode the subway.

This is where trump’s america has brought us. We will ever make our way back?

On DC, we have had some problems of violence on the metro, not not generally from homeless people. It seems to be different in NY. Last year they had double digit murders on trains, and this particular homeless person had previously assaulted several people on trains and stations. So homeless people in NY are actually dangerous, not just nuisances.

Are you a dangerous person with a long violent history? Then you should fear a response when you habitually attack people on the metro. Not everyone is a victim.

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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting that people think the Marine should know the "necessary" amount of time to choke someone and would know what amount is "more than necessary." Perhaps I don't have as much experience choking people as the former prosecutor has, where he can be precise when he finds himself needing to subdue someone. You know, one of those everyday situations where you fear for your life and have to choke someone for just the right amount of time to make them pass out but not die.

Well, if you are going to use a potentially lethal solution to a problem, you should probably rethink it if you don’t know where the line between lethal and non-lethal is. Or be prepared to be charged.

Let's back up. Why do you think it is acceptable to put people in this position? The government has decided that it has no responsibility toward severely mentally ill person, and leaves the general public to deal with it at random. The results will OBVIOUSLY be death or violence. Sometimes when the mentally ill person randomly punches them in the face, as Neely did to an elderly lady earlier. Sometimes when the mentally ill person tries to throw someone on the tracks, as Neely did a week ago. And sometimes when someone, like Penny, steps in to protect the public.

There's no way to celebrate what happened on that subway. But there's also no way to rationally pretend that Penny was homicidal, based on the facts as we know them. People are not going to continue to be okay with increasing levels of violence and decreasing levels of protection. They will also not tolerate the status quo in which anyone who tries to protect themselves is cast as a villain. You would have no interest in this case if it were Neely who choked out Penny. No one is protesting for the normies.

100% this.

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Anonymous wrote:That could’ve been anyone on this forum, getting strangled to death by that monster. How he’s not under arrest yet for murdering that man is baffling to me.

Think about that for a minute dcum…. this could just as easily have been YOU instead of Neely. He’s dead because he rode the subway.

This is where trump’s america has brought us. We will ever make our way back?

Newsflash, pp...... BIDEN is president now.

And, no, he is not dead "because he rode the subway."
He is dead because he was out of control - has been out of control for some time now, and the authorities in NYC did nothing to ensure that passengers on trains are safe. There were tens of thousands who rode the subway that day. The difference is that those tens of thousands did not go bonkers in a tin can threatening the people around him.

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Anonymous wrote:A different former prosecutor here, I have watched the video and I think the former Marine gets convicted of whatever form of homicide he is properly charged with. He choked the guy several minutes beyond the guy going limp and unresponsive, while bystanders filmed and urged him to let go. The case is almost exactly the same as Floyd, .

To me there is a huge difference in my expectations for the police to NOT "accidentally" kneel on a guy til he's dead, and a random passenger on the subway subduing a passenger.

Put me on that jury, I'm not convicting this guy.

- I only vote Dem

Yeah I guarantee the prosecutors don’t want to go anywhere near this landmine. The highly decorated Marine isn’t going to be convicted.

What decorations does the marine has? Does he have a savior complex history? Does he have a history of using excessive force?

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Anonymous wrote:A different former prosecutor here, I have watched the video and I think the former Marine gets convicted of whatever form of homicide he is properly charged with. He choked the guy several minutes beyond the guy going limp and unresponsive, while bystanders filmed and urged him to let go. The case is almost exactly the same as Floyd, .

To me there is a huge difference in my expectations for the police to NOT "accidentally" kneel on a guy til he's dead, and a random passenger on the subway subduing a passenger.

Put me on that jury, I'm not convicting this guy.

- I only vote Dem

Yeah I guarantee the prosecutors don’t want to go anywhere near this landmine. The highly decorated Marine isn’t going to be convicted.

What decorations does the marine has? Does he have a savior complex history? Does he have a history of using excessive force?

No. Sorry.

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Washington Square Park this morning. This city is a tinder box.

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NYC budgeted $2.4 BILLION for the homeless in 2022. I don't know how much of that is for substance abuse and mental health but people don't seem to realize that the kind of mental health challenges many of these people have are not exactly easily treated or managed and that is why they are on the street. Also consider the shortage of mental health providers in general and then think about the subsection that wants to work with the sickest members of our society AND the fact that no one is obliged to accept mental health treatment or continue treatment. I mean we could throw all the money in the world at this but it won't make trained humans appear and it won't fix the mentally ill/substance abusers. Unless there is a change in legislation that would allow the govt to compel treatment or forcibly house the mentally ill it is just throwing good money after bad.

Frankly we need to be putting more money into education and family support of the youngest members of our society. It is much better to invest in a solid start rather than try to fix a broken human.

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Anonymous wrote:A different former prosecutor here, I have watched the video and I think the former Marine gets convicted of whatever form of homicide he is properly charged with. He choked the guy several minutes beyond the guy going limp and unresponsive, while bystanders filmed and urged him to let go. The case is almost exactly the same as Floyd, .

To me there is a huge difference in my expectations for the police to NOT "accidentally" kneel on a guy til he's dead, and a random passenger on the subway subduing a passenger.

Put me on that jury, I'm not convicting this guy.

- I only vote Dem

Yeah I guarantee the prosecutors don’t want to go anywhere near this landmine. The highly decorated Marine isn’t going to be convicted.

What decorations does the marine has? Does he have a savior complex history? Does he have a history of using excessive force?

Honestly, it doesn't matter to me. He could be an underwhelming person with an unremarkable history and I'd struggle to convict. Now that we see the consequences of making self defense a crime while also making police enforcement scant and unreliable, we are also going to see jury nullification.

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Anonymous wrote:NYC budgeted $2.4 BILLION for the homeless in 2022. I don't know how much of that is for substance abuse and mental health but people don't seem to realize that the kind of mental health challenges many of these people have are not exactly easily treated or managed and that is why they are on the street. Also consider the shortage of mental health providers in general and then think about the subsection that wants to work with the sickest members of our society AND the fact that no one is obliged to accept mental health treatment or continue treatment. I mean we could throw all the money in the world at this but it won't make trained humans appear and it won't fix the mentally ill/substance abusers. Unless there is a change in legislation that would allow the govt to compel treatment or forcibly house the mentally ill it is just throwing good money after bad.

Frankly we need to be putting more money into education and family support of the youngest members of our society. It is much better to invest in a solid start rather than try to fix a broken human.

This guy was already on probation for a previous violent crime and had missed a check in. He should have been jailed or institutionalized, then he would be alive. But that's not progressive. So now he is dead.

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Anonymous wrote:NYC budgeted $2.4 BILLION for the homeless in 2022. I don't know how much of that is for substance abuse and mental health but people don't seem to realize that the kind of mental health challenges many of these people have are not exactly easily treated or managed and that is why they are on the street. Also consider the shortage of mental health providers in general and then think about the subsection that wants to work with the sickest members of our society AND the fact that no one is obliged to accept mental health treatment or continue treatment. I mean we could throw all the money in the world at this but it won't make trained humans appear and it won't fix the mentally ill/substance abusers. Unless there is a change in legislation that would allow the govt to compel treatment or forcibly house the mentally ill it is just throwing good money after bad.

Frankly we need to be putting more money into education and family support of the youngest members of our society. It is much better to invest in a solid start rather than try to fix a broken human.

Two choices:
1. Seek treatment.
2. Go to jail.
Their presence on the streets and in the subways is not fair to the millions of Americans who are not drug addicted/mentally ill.

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Anonymous wrote:Washington Square Park this morning. This city is a tinder box.

I’m sure this is a lot of tension in the air. Flashback to Eric Garner incident.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NYC budgeted $2.4 BILLION for the homeless in 2022. I don't know how much of that is for substance abuse and mental health but people don't seem to realize that the kind of mental health challenges many of these people have are not exactly easily treated or managed and that is why they are on the street. Also consider the shortage of mental health providers in general and then think about the subsection that wants to work with the sickest members of our society AND the fact that no one is obliged to accept mental health treatment or continue treatment. I mean we could throw all the money in the world at this but it won't make trained humans appear and it won't fix the mentally ill/substance abusers. Unless there is a change in legislation that would allow the govt to compel treatment or forcibly house the mentally ill it is just throwing good money after bad.

Frankly we need to be putting more money into education and family support of the youngest members of our society. It is much better to invest in a solid start rather than try to fix a broken human.

We need legislation to compel people to be housed in asylums. It's ugly but this is uglier.

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Anonymous wrote:The marine was a hero protecting NYC residents from violent, unhinged trash. Unless you’ve lived in NYC do not come on here and spout your nonsense. That dead man’s family and city government failed him and it was left to others to police his vile, out-of-control behavior. Good riddance.

I lie in NYC and he’s no hero to me.

You do lie in NYC.

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Anonymous wrote:The video is pretty bad. The marine continues the chokehold for quite a while after Neely goes limp and another bystander warns him that he has defecated on himself and is likely to die soon.

I'm not a lawyer and wondering if prosecutor can argue that prolonging the chokehold when person has lost consciousness and is not resisting can be seen as intent to kill and no longer self defense.

Might have been a Law and Order episode.

Former prosecutor here, and this is what will be argued if he is charged and tried. The criminal act wasn’t the chokehold itself, it was continuing it after the person was no longer resisting or conscious. Even with that approach, getting a conviction in this case will be extremely difficult.

Make the jury sit there for 15 minutes to see how long it is choking someone out who stopped resisting after 2 minutes. I would think the conviction would be pretty easy. This was an over the top reaction to a typical mentally ill person on the subway. Something is wrong with that ex-marine.

The Marine jumped up as soon as Neely stopped moving and turned him to his side. Your criticism is wrong.

No he did not. The video is very clear.

Penny thought Neely was armed. He was justified in defending himself and the other passengers.

Where did you go to law school? You are not "justified" unless there is a weapon-there was not a weapon. You literally can't act and kill because "Penny thought Neely was armed." Use your brain.

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Anonymous wrote:Washington Square Park this morning. This city is a tinder box.

I’m sure this is a lot of tension in the air. Flashback to Eric Garner incident.

Good. It is time to take a stand for law and order and institutionalizing the mentally ill.