School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.

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Anonymous wrote:I have had a hard time feeling the effects of this tragedy, even though it is close to home for us. I guess burn out from everything going on in the world in general as well as (unfortunately) getting used to this sort of tragedy happening.

I was thinking back to the last time I really felt gutted about the loss of life and that was the Sandy Hook shooting. Life felt surreal after that.

Doing the math, I realized the 6 and 7 year olds of that time, would be 15-16 year olds today. The same age range of the kids who died here.t

This generation has had learn that there was a chance they would be shot at school and that they had to prepare for it. (lockdown drills, Run, Hide, Fight training)

My dd showed me a til tok by Justin Shillings’ girlfriend (I think), and that’s when it finally got me. I wish I could find it to share.

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Anonymous wrote:So many excuses. Kids around the world are playing violent video games, getting bullied, having mental health issues, in dysfunctional families, etc. Just the same as American kids including this kid. What's the difference? ONE THING. Guns.

The one thing is the parents.

You don't think other countries don't have parents like that. Of course they do.

It's way past time to wake up to the problem of guns in America. Such exceptionalism.

Sadly, it is both - a lethal combination of bad parenting and guns.

Everyone has been stressed in the last two years. Parents should be going to the ends of the earth for their children, not burying their head in the sand like these rejects.

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Anonymous wrote:If you look at the faces of these shooters - they look subhuman, crazy and low IQ. As if they were casted in these roles by some Hollywood casting director. With dead, crazy, Sanpaku eyes too...

Really? He looks like any other 15 year old. There is nothing to indicate he is low IQ. You cannot tell that from a mug shot.
What he did was horrific but walking around judging people as subhuman, low IQ, and crazy by their appearance is awful.

No, he doesn't look like any other 15 yr old. He looks like a criminal and low IQ man. You put him in a suit and he will still looks criminal. Maybe he is poor and that shows in his appearance too. But you can look at rich, depraved criminal men, and while they will look expensively attired and entitled...their criminality also shows on their faces. Especially the eyes. This looks like an evil man and his parents also look evil.

He is still a 15 year old CHILD.

He's not being charged as a CHILD and rightly so.

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There are facial deformities that connect to mental illness.

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Anonymous wrote:“Ross Wingert, who was Tate's football and wrestling coach, told the Detroit Free Press that the junior ran towards the gunman to try and disarm him.

"I was told that everybody in that school was running one way, and Tate was running the other way," Wingert told the newspaper.”
https://www.cbssports.com/high-school/football/news/oxford-high-school-shooting-tate-myre-football-star-one-of-four-students-killed/?fbclid=IwAR0HunDMGro9xtXmeKC133CHobY1JARKH3klf3m0chtKRovm46ssLtICKvA

A hero.

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Anonymous wrote:Oxford High School
Students: 1,872
Free/discounted lunch: 24.1%
White: 82.7%
Hispanic: 9.9%
African American: 2.8%
Average SAT: 1,010
College readiness rate: 40%

https://www.schooldigger.com/go/MI/schools/2724006338/school.aspx

What’s your point?

Merely providing insights of a school that's over 500 miles away. If you forced my hand to make a point, it'd be that it's a caliber of high school the bourgeoisie on DCUM move heaven and earth to avoid.

I grew up in Oxford. Moved away when I was 26. It’s similar to Ashburn, VA. Quiet, peaceful, we lived by a lake and too family walks in the summer evenings. Neighborhood had block parties, etc. It was an ideal place.

It's not an ideal school vis a vis what the bourgeoisie on DCUM desire. Average stats (i.e. mediocre), crowded, and podunk. I'm not even sure it's wealthier and posher neighbor to the south, Rochester Adams High School, would be considered ideal for the strivers on here -- and that's arguably the best public high school in the state.

NP. First, you sound exactly like every other "bourgeoise" striver on DCUM. "Podunk?" You're making generalizations based on stats with zero context and zero first-hand knowledge. Second, WTF does any of this matter? It makes no difference whether families from a completely different part of the country would send their kids to this school, unless you're trying to convince yourself that this wouldn't happen to a school that the DCUM crowd would find acceptable. Sadly, we have enough actual evidence based on all the school shootings to date to know that they can and do happen anywhere.

Sandy Hook was a high SES community. It didn’t matter. Access to weapons is the issue. The parents need to get jail time. This and every case like it is about parental failure. My teens have no expectation of privacy. The fact that a parent is clueless but teachers and police see the flags is concerning. Police retrieved a wealth of information from his journal and online accounts. Parents were negligent in securing the weapon and not parenting.

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Be apprised - it has everything to do with parenting, and zero to do with wealth. There are people in very wealthy communities, in this area, burying their heads in the sand.

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Anonymous wrote:So many excuses. Kids around the world are playing violent video games, getting bullied, having mental health issues, in dysfunctional families, etc. Just the same as American kids including this kid. What's the difference? ONE THING. Guns.

I suspect he was born with challenges/defects – and he was not getting the support he needed at school and from the local public health dept. High-strength glasses since youth, face shape, big ears, pudginess, and he looks a few years younger than a normal 15 year old. And we can look at his parents. Their run-down neglected home in hickville and the mother's public letter to Trump. And Michigan is one of the top states for opioid overdoses.

And there are thousands of these kids all over the world. They don't have access to guns is the difference.

Yes, they do.

Do you not understand how America is completely different from any other nation on gun access? I just can’t fathom how blind people are here. The rest of the world does not live like this. They don’t fear for their kids going to school or the cinema or a club or anywhere like we have to because of the sheer number of these events. This country has lost the plot.

So the good news is, you have plenty of options for your move to a place that suits you better.

It’s your way or the highway?

You’re happy to bury your head in the sand and not see that other countries have the same mental health and bad parenting issues but nowhere near the level of deaths from guns?

You think nowhere else has anything we can learn from?

What made you do self-assured and close minded?

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Have you tried to get a child help in the last 2 years? Have you tried to find a therapist for anyone in the last two years? It is damn near impossible. We have been on waiting lists upon waiting lists for my child.
I don't disagree that he should of gotten help but we have no idea what action they tried to take or what they knew prior to one week ago when they were first made aware of the situation. And yes, they should have locked the gun or gotten rid of it.

I hear you pp It can be near impossible to get a child help even when you have money and good insurance--I can't imagine what it's like when you are "dirt poor!"
The parents met with school admin the same day--I'm wondering what admin actually said about what these "poor" parents could do to get the kid help? Did they have a psychiatric hospital to recommend (that was actually able to accept new patients? And that these "dirt poor" parents could afford?)

If you know that your child has issues that need to be addressed, you should not have a plethora of guns within easy reach. I wish that we would start charging parents for negligence with gun storage. I know that we won't because "gun rights" trump just about everything else but it is what a sane country would do.

The GOP's America folks. You're looking at it.

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I agree. I don't think anyone should do that even if their kid doesn't have issues.

I still think rather than admin just tellling "dirt poor" parents "you need to do something about your kid", parents need to be given real resources and treatment options.

I have a teen son who had depression in high school. Finding therapy for him was stressful and bordering on traumatic. Our insurance (which is touted as one of the best out there) gave us a massive list of providers literally within a 2.5 hour radius of our house. The vast majority of them (when we called) told us they do not see anyone under the age of 18. The few that did see minors, were not taking new patients. There was ONE--ONE! That would see minors and was taking new patients, and they couldn't fit him in the schedule for six weeks!
A few weeks ago the subject of therapy actually came up on the teen board and a poster talked about how the OP should have her child look at the different provider's profiles to see which they would click with best and I just shook my head. Imagine actually having a choice and getting to choose one that you think would work best--instead of just resorting to the ONLY option available!

My son wasn't violent/homicidal, this was just about stuff within himself--but the search for therapy would not have gone any different even if my son was.

Anyway, like I said, I just would like to know exactly what type of resources and options the parents were given during this meeting.

Beung himocidal or suicidal is a medical emergency and anyone with a child in those circumstances should go to the emergency room where they are obligated to treat. I agree that outpatient follow up is a terrible slog to find sometimes but after inpt stays they are obligated to not discharge till there is an appropriate follow up plan.

I’m not minimizing how hard it can be to get good care long term but some people are acting like it’s literally not possible to get urgent psychiatric care and that’s flatly wrong and terrible to tell people who may throw there hands up out of hopelessness. If your child is a danger to themselves or others go to the ER each and every time.

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It is your responsibility as a parent to actually be the parent, and get your child the help he needs. Just because you don't "feel like" going to the ER is not reason enough for you to bring everyone else down with you. This is exactly what ends up happening. These parents want everyone else to feel their pain. Disgusting.

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Have you tried to get a child help in the last 2 years? Have you tried to find a therapist for anyone in the last two years? It is damn near impossible. We have been on waiting lists upon waiting lists for my child.
I don't disagree that he should of gotten help but we have no idea what action they tried to take or what they knew prior to one week ago when they were first made aware of the situation. And yes, they should have locked the gun or gotten rid of it.

I hear you pp It can be near impossible to get a child help even when you have money and good insurance--I can't imagine what it's like when you are "dirt poor!"
The parents met with school admin the same day--I'm wondering what admin actually said about what these "poor" parents could do to get the kid help? Did they have a psychiatric hospital to recommend (that was actually able to accept new patients? And that these "dirt poor" parents could afford?)

JFC. There is an urgent care or ER on almost every corner of any city, and certainly at least one fo the other in each town - they can refer you to plenty of resources. Stop making up excuses and being so GD lazy and selfish.

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Anonymous wrote:In Europe we had academically selective schools where you take an IQ test age 11 and if you're bright you go to the learning school and if you're not you go to the other school for messing about. That stops a lot of those negative interactions between kids who are just there to mess around (or worse) and kids trying to learn. While American public schools have no vetting process whatsoever. You might have raised a functional and smart child in a ideal environment, but once you sent them to public school you expose them to an ethos of bullies, future criminals, children of single moms, children on drugs, lunatic teachers, apathetic administration, and so forth.

Yes. This is the correct approach for the public schools.

In Germany, we actually have 3 levels of state schools. This is why the university is cost-free; only those students of high abilities should be in the university.

The other students receive an education appropriate for their intelligence/skill level, to prepare them for a job appropriate for them.

In this way, we avoid so many of the social problems you have here in America.

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Spot on.

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing will ever change in American schools. It's why the rich and political elite all send their kids to private; efforts to change public schools are a futile pursuit.

I know plenty of troubled rich people in public schools and plenty of troubled poor people in private schools. What is your point?

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Have you tried to get a child help in the last 2 years? Have you tried to find a therapist for anyone in the last two years? It is damn near impossible. We have been on waiting lists upon waiting lists for my child.
I don't disagree that he should of gotten help but we have no idea what action they tried to take or what they knew prior to one week ago when they were first made aware of the situation. And yes, they should have locked the gun or gotten rid of it.

I hear you pp It can be near impossible to get a child help even when you have money and good insurance--I can't imagine what it's like when you are "dirt poor!"
The parents met with school admin the same day--I'm wondering what admin actually said about what these "poor" parents could do to get the kid help? Did they have a psychiatric hospital to recommend (that was actually able to accept new patients? And that these "dirt poor" parents could afford?)

JFC. There is an urgent care or ER on almost every corner of any city, and certainly at least one fo the other in each town - they can refer you to plenty of resources. Stop making up excuses and being so GD lazy and selfish.

The “resources” are exactly what I was given. You don’t bring a kid who is sad to an ER for treatment. Stop being so ignorant and uneducated.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe if the parents who fail these "sweet boys" (always this) would not be so worried about their narrative - but instead, be more concerned about their family, and their impact on the world, their sons would not be shooting up schools.

My kids are in middle school - but they can't graduate soon enough for me. Parents should not have to be worried every time they drop their kid off at the bus stop, that it might be the last time they see them, because Mrs. Smith down the street can't be bothered to care about anything but herself and her narrative.

So sexist.

When is the last time you saw a girl school shooter? When is the last time you had a problematic kid in school, and the mom was the one (of the parents) who did not want to get the kid the help he needs. I know several in my rich community. In each case, it happens to be the mom that is against meds. When you know so much about your own community, and you are worried about THAT KID coming to school with guns (plural) - then feel free to chime in. It's not a great feeling to know it is only a matter of time in your school. Sit down.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m curious that no one here is interested in motive. All the fixation in this thread is on that “what” and the “how”, but no one is asking about the “why”.

That’s not science.

I would bet anything he was being tormented at school for being poor, pudgy, and unathletic. Bullying is so freaking cruel and typically nobody at large high schools gives a damn.

Millions of kids have been bullied in school and not shot up the school. GTFOH with this nonsense.

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Yes! And teach your child to do the right thing, instead of "snapping" or trying to call "bully!!!"- for your own sake, if no one else's.

You and your child need to learn proper coping mechanisms in life. There are classes. Take them.

Parenting is an 18 year commitment, not just when you feel like it. We are ALL tired. Each one of us.

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One day throwing chairs, the next this......

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One day throwing chairs, the next this......

To add, for those parents, this ain't no "learning experience".......