UVA mass shooting

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So the last game against VT was cancelled?

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Anonymous wrote:UVA parent here. The memorial service was wrenching. So sad.

UVA alumn here. I’m still so sad after watching the memorial service. I want to do something to help the families who lost their sons and the general student community who I know are grieving but not sure what I can do. I contributed to GoFundMe’s but can’t seem to find one for Mike Hollins.

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paranoid schizophenia

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Anonymous wrote:Somewhat off-topic, but my DS is a first year at UVA. With the news about the shooter’s multiple guns in his room and what the University knew about him before Sunday, my DS is feeling enraged at the University administration. He wants to mourn these students but not feel that about his college.

I'm not sure how the university would know he had guns in his room. They were informed by someone not affiliated with the school that he purchased a gun and directly asked the roommate as well as the shooter, who both denied the presence of a gun. The person who told them he bought a gun had also not seen a gun. They can't just randomly search someone's housing on a comment that someone bought a gun. Not sure what your DS thinks the school could have done differently. He was notified just weeks ago that he was going to be disciplined, which who knows, may have pushed him over the edge.

I am pretty sure that the school can search a room if they suspect something dangerous or illegal, or of course they can call the police. This kid already had lied about a gun charge, and failed a gun background check twice.

Not sure why so many people are acting like he is some innocent lamb who deserved a second chance. The people he shot were the innocent lambs...to the slaughter.

So you think just someone who is not associated with the school saying he owns a gun is enough to search his room? And no, UVA is not doing background checks on all of their students on a rolling basis. I personally think it will come out that the school did what it could to prevent it (though who knows really), this is a mentally ill man who bought a gun legally. Unfortunately until we do more to tighten gun laws, this is going to continue to happen.

I get the PP's kids anger, I have two kids at UVA. One is PISSED. He is pissed about the politics of gun reform and he is pissed at the inaction of politicians. My DD is asleep in her room, nearly in tears all the time. Just sad. Kids react differently so I definitely feel for the PP's student, but we really don't know alot about what the school could or could not have done to prevent this so I would encourage him to go to the memorial tomorrow and try to process this senseless act with his community and family.

Well, their housing policy says they have to enter any room at any time for "any reasonable purpose."

https://housing.virginia.edu/housing-terms-undergrad#student_conduct

Yes these are the reasons:

"Allow University staff or their agents to enter residences for work orders, routine maintenance, inspections, repairs, emergencies, or housekeeping duties, or any other reasonable purpose, at any time."
Conducting a search is not included in these reasons.

Let me guess, you are not a lawyer.

No I'm not a lawyer so assuming you are, please explain the reasons why he does not have the same rights as we all do under the fourth amendment? He denied he had a gun, his roommate did not see a gun in the room. Under what grounds would they be able to SEARCH his room? yes I know they can enter to do routine maintenance but they cannot search.

It's on campus housing. You have less of a privacy right in on campus dorms than you do in a private residence. The policy says "for any other reasonable purpose." The Univ had a reasonable purpose. Also, not that it really matter, but the original news reports have been amended, the person who reported him having a gun was a student.

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Anonymous wrote:Somewhat off-topic, but my DS is a first year at UVA. With the news about the shooter’s multiple guns in his room and what the University knew about him before Sunday, my DS is feeling enraged at the University administration. He wants to mourn these students but not feel that about his college.

I'm not sure how the university would know he had guns in his room. They were informed by someone not affiliated with the school that he purchased a gun and directly asked the roommate as well as the shooter, who both denied the presence of a gun. The person who told them he bought a gun had also not seen a gun. They can't just randomly search someone's housing on a comment that someone bought a gun. Not sure what your DS thinks the school could have done differently. He was notified just weeks ago that he was going to be disciplined, which who knows, may have pushed him over the edge.

I am pretty sure that the school can search a room if they suspect something dangerous or illegal, or of course they can call the police. This kid already had lied about a gun charge, and failed a gun background check twice.

Not sure why so many people are acting like he is some innocent lamb who deserved a second chance. The people he shot were the innocent lambs...to the slaughter.

So you think just someone who is not associated with the school saying he owns a gun is enough to search his room? And no, UVA is not doing background checks on all of their students on a rolling basis. I personally think it will come out that the school did what it could to prevent it (though who knows really), this is a mentally ill man who bought a gun legally. Unfortunately until we do more to tighten gun laws, this is going to continue to happen.

I get the PP's kids anger, I have two kids at UVA. One is PISSED. He is pissed about the politics of gun reform and he is pissed at the inaction of politicians. My DD is asleep in her room, nearly in tears all the time. Just sad. Kids react differently so I definitely feel for the PP's student, but we really don't know alot about what the school could or could not have done to prevent this so I would encourage him to go to the memorial tomorrow and try to process this senseless act with his community and family.

Well, their housing policy says they have to enter any room at any time for "any reasonable purpose."

https://housing.virginia.edu/housing-terms-undergrad#student_conduct

Yes these are the reasons:

"Allow University staff or their agents to enter residences for work orders, routine maintenance, inspections, repairs, emergencies, or housekeeping duties, or any other reasonable purpose, at any time."
Conducting a search is not included in these reasons.

Let me guess, you are not a lawyer.

No I'm not a lawyer so assuming you are, please explain the reasons why he does not have the same rights as we all do under the fourth amendment? He denied he had a gun, his roommate did not see a gun in the room. Under what grounds would they be able to SEARCH his room? yes I know they can enter to do routine maintenance but they cannot search.

It's on campus housing. You have less of a privacy right in on campus dorms than you do in a private residence. The policy says "for any other reasonable purpose." The Univ had a reasonable purpose. Also, not that it really matter, but the original news reports have been amended, the person who reported him having a gun was a student.

You’re wrong. A quick google search shows there is tons of case law that reinforces that the fourth amendment does apply to college students living in the dorm and the colleges policy of stating that they can enter for “any reasonable purpose” does not include searching a room based on hearsay.

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Anonymous wrote:Somewhat off-topic, but my DS is a first year at UVA. With the news about the shooter’s multiple guns in his room and what the University knew about him before Sunday, my DS is feeling enraged at the University administration. He wants to mourn these students but not feel that about his college.

I'm not sure how the university would know he had guns in his room. They were informed by someone not affiliated with the school that he purchased a gun and directly asked the roommate as well as the shooter, who both denied the presence of a gun. The person who told them he bought a gun had also not seen a gun. They can't just randomly search someone's housing on a comment that someone bought a gun. Not sure what your DS thinks the school could have done differently. He was notified just weeks ago that he was going to be disciplined, which who knows, may have pushed him over the edge.

I am pretty sure that the school can search a room if they suspect something dangerous or illegal, or of course they can call the police. This kid already had lied about a gun charge, and failed a gun background check twice.

Not sure why so many people are acting like he is some innocent lamb who deserved a second chance. The people he shot were the innocent lambs...to the slaughter.

So you think just someone who is not associated with the school saying he owns a gun is enough to search his room? And no, UVA is not doing background checks on all of their students on a rolling basis. I personally think it will come out that the school did what it could to prevent it (though who knows really), this is a mentally ill man who bought a gun legally. Unfortunately until we do more to tighten gun laws, this is going to continue to happen.

I get the PP's kids anger, I have two kids at UVA. One is PISSED. He is pissed about the politics of gun reform and he is pissed at the inaction of politicians. My DD is asleep in her room, nearly in tears all the time. Just sad. Kids react differently so I definitely feel for the PP's student, but we really don't know alot about what the school could or could not have done to prevent this so I would encourage him to go to the memorial tomorrow and try to process this senseless act with his community and family.

Well, their housing policy says they have to enter any room at any time for "any reasonable purpose."

https://housing.virginia.edu/housing-terms-undergrad#student_conduct

Yes these are the reasons:

"Allow University staff or their agents to enter residences for work orders, routine maintenance, inspections, repairs, emergencies, or housekeeping duties, or any other reasonable purpose, at any time."
Conducting a search is not included in these reasons.

Let me guess, you are not a lawyer.

No I'm not a lawyer so assuming you are, please explain the reasons why he does not have the same rights as we all do under the fourth amendment? He denied he had a gun, his roommate did not see a gun in the room. Under what grounds would they be able to SEARCH his room? yes I know they can enter to do routine maintenance but they cannot search.

It's on campus housing. You have less of a privacy right in on campus dorms than you do in a private residence. The policy says "for any other reasonable purpose." The Univ had a reasonable purpose. Also, not that it really matter, but the original news reports have been amended, the person who reported him having a gun was a student.

But the shooter denied having a gun. That’s why it was being referred to the Judicial Committee for review. If he denied it, is it reasonable for UVA to go in and search? especially with roommates present? Or it it premature? We will find out someday but right now this is all navel gazing

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Anonymous wrote:UVA parent here. The memorial service was wrenching. So sad.

UVA alumn here. I’m still so sad after watching the memorial service. I want to do something to help the families who lost their sons and the general student community who I know are grieving but not sure what I can do. I contributed to GoFundMe’s but can’t seem to find one for Mike Hollins.

Mike is still at UVA med, having gone through two surgeries. Perhaps his mother doesn’t need the funds or insurance will cover is she has been a little busy and hasn't around to making a go fund me . You could start a UVA scholarship
In the name of the three slain men.

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Anonymous wrote:Somewhat off-topic, but my DS is a first year at UVA. With the news about the shooter’s multiple guns in his room and what the University knew about him before Sunday, my DS is feeling enraged at the University administration. He wants to mourn these students but not feel that about his college.

I'm not sure how the university would know he had guns in his room. They were informed by someone not affiliated with the school that he purchased a gun and directly asked the roommate as well as the shooter, who both denied the presence of a gun. The person who told them he bought a gun had also not seen a gun. They can't just randomly search someone's housing on a comment that someone bought a gun. Not sure what your DS thinks the school could have done differently. He was notified just weeks ago that he was going to be disciplined, which who knows, may have pushed him over the edge.

I am pretty sure that the school can search a room if they suspect something dangerous or illegal, or of course they can call the police. This kid already had lied about a gun charge, and failed a gun background check twice.

Not sure why so many people are acting like he is some innocent lamb who deserved a second chance. The people he shot were the innocent lambs...to the slaughter.

So you think just someone who is not associated with the school saying he owns a gun is enough to search his room? And no, UVA is not doing background checks on all of their students on a rolling basis. I personally think it will come out that the school did what it could to prevent it (though who knows really), this is a mentally ill man who bought a gun legally. Unfortunately until we do more to tighten gun laws, this is going to continue to happen.

I get the PP's kids anger, I have two kids at UVA. One is PISSED. He is pissed about the politics of gun reform and he is pissed at the inaction of politicians. My DD is asleep in her room, nearly in tears all the time. Just sad. Kids react differently so I definitely feel for the PP's student, but we really don't know alot about what the school could or could not have done to prevent this so I would encourage him to go to the memorial tomorrow and try to process this senseless act with his community and family.

Well, their housing policy says they have to enter any room at any time for "any reasonable purpose."

https://housing.virginia.edu/housing-terms-undergrad#student_conduct

Yes these are the reasons:

"Allow University staff or their agents to enter residences for work orders, routine maintenance, inspections, repairs, emergencies, or housekeeping duties, or any other reasonable purpose, at any time."
Conducting a search is not included in these reasons.

Let me guess, you are not a lawyer.

No I'm not a lawyer so assuming you are, please explain the reasons why he does not have the same rights as we all do under the fourth amendment? He denied he had a gun, his roommate did not see a gun in the room. Under what grounds would they be able to SEARCH his room? yes I know they can enter to do routine maintenance but they cannot search.

It's on campus housing. You have less of a privacy right in on campus dorms than you do in a private residence. The policy says "for any other reasonable purpose." The Univ had a reasonable purpose. Also, not that it really matter, but the original news reports have been amended, the person who reported him having a gun was a student.

I think kids are scared to report in general - no one wants to get involved in a mental health crises, because it is well known that our mental health system is broken.

For a mentally ill neighbor, you can move away. For a fellow student, the schools are too afraid of being sued by rich parents with too much time and money on their hands, and too much denial about their terrorist kid. The non mentally ill kids are trapped.

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Anonymous wrote:Somewhat off-topic, but my DS is a first year at UVA. With the news about the shooter’s multiple guns in his room and what the University knew about him before Sunday, my DS is feeling enraged at the University administration. He wants to mourn these students but not feel that about his college.

I'm not sure how the university would know he had guns in his room. They were informed by someone not affiliated with the school that he purchased a gun and directly asked the roommate as well as the shooter, who both denied the presence of a gun. The person who told them he bought a gun had also not seen a gun. They can't just randomly search someone's housing on a comment that someone bought a gun. Not sure what your DS thinks the school could have done differently. He was notified just weeks ago that he was going to be disciplined, which who knows, may have pushed him over the edge.

I am pretty sure that the school can search a room if they suspect something dangerous or illegal, or of course they can call the police. This kid already had lied about a gun charge, and failed a gun background check twice.

Not sure why so many people are acting like he is some innocent lamb who deserved a second chance. The people he shot were the innocent lambs...to the slaughter.

So you think just someone who is not associated with the school saying he owns a gun is enough to search his room? And no, UVA is not doing background checks on all of their students on a rolling basis. I personally think it will come out that the school did what it could to prevent it (though who knows really), this is a mentally ill man who bought a gun legally. Unfortunately until we do more to tighten gun laws, this is going to continue to happen.

I get the PP's kids anger, I have two kids at UVA. One is PISSED. He is pissed about the politics of gun reform and he is pissed at the inaction of politicians. My DD is asleep in her room, nearly in tears all the time. Just sad. Kids react differently so I definitely feel for the PP's student, but we really don't know alot about what the school could or could not have done to prevent this so I would encourage him to go to the memorial tomorrow and try to process this senseless act with his community and family.

Well, their housing policy says they have to enter any room at any time for "any reasonable purpose."

https://housing.virginia.edu/housing-terms-undergrad#student_conduct

Yes these are the reasons:

"Allow University staff or their agents to enter residences for work orders, routine maintenance, inspections, repairs, emergencies, or housekeeping duties, or any other reasonable purpose, at any time."
Conducting a search is not included in these reasons.

Let me guess, you are not a lawyer.

No I'm not a lawyer so assuming you are, please explain the reasons why he does not have the same rights as we all do under the fourth amendment? He denied he had a gun, his roommate did not see a gun in the room. Under what grounds would they be able to SEARCH his room? yes I know they can enter to do routine maintenance but they cannot search.

It's on campus housing. You have less of a privacy right in on campus dorms than you do in a private residence. The policy says "for any other reasonable purpose." The Univ had a reasonable purpose. Also, not that it really matter, but the original news reports have been amended, the person who reported him having a gun was a student.

But the shooter denied having a gun. That’s why it was being referred to the Judicial Committee for review. If he denied it, is it reasonable for UVA to go in and search? especially with roommates present? Or it it premature? We will find out someday but right now this is all navel gazing

Exactly the issue. PP here. You think the other students want to get in the middle of the sick student's parent's failings?

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Anonymous wrote:Somewhat off-topic, but my DS is a first year at UVA. With the news about the shooter’s multiple guns in his room and what the University knew about him before Sunday, my DS is feeling enraged at the University administration. He wants to mourn these students but not feel that about his college.

I'm not sure how the university would know he had guns in his room. They were informed by someone not affiliated with the school that he purchased a gun and directly asked the roommate as well as the shooter, who both denied the presence of a gun. The person who told them he bought a gun had also not seen a gun. They can't just randomly search someone's housing on a comment that someone bought a gun. Not sure what your DS thinks the school could have done differently. He was notified just weeks ago that he was going to be disciplined, which who knows, may have pushed him over the edge.

I am pretty sure that the school can search a room if they suspect something dangerous or illegal, or of course they can call the police. This kid already had lied about a gun charge, and failed a gun background check twice.

Not sure why so many people are acting like he is some innocent lamb who deserved a second chance. The people he shot were the innocent lambs...to the slaughter.

So you think just someone who is not associated with the school saying he owns a gun is enough to search his room? And no, UVA is not doing background checks on all of their students on a rolling basis. I personally think it will come out that the school did what it could to prevent it (though who knows really), this is a mentally ill man who bought a gun legally. Unfortunately until we do more to tighten gun laws, this is going to continue to happen.

I get the PP's kids anger, I have two kids at UVA. One is PISSED. He is pissed about the politics of gun reform and he is pissed at the inaction of politicians. My DD is asleep in her room, nearly in tears all the time. Just sad. Kids react differently so I definitely feel for the PP's student, but we really don't know alot about what the school could or could not have done to prevent this so I would encourage him to go to the memorial tomorrow and try to process this senseless act with his community and family.

Well, their housing policy says they have to enter any room at any time for "any reasonable purpose."

https://housing.virginia.edu/housing-terms-undergrad#student_conduct

Yes these are the reasons:

"Allow University staff or their agents to enter residences for work orders, routine maintenance, inspections, repairs, emergencies, or housekeeping duties, or any other reasonable purpose, at any time."
Conducting a search is not included in these reasons.

Let me guess, you are not a lawyer.

No I'm not a lawyer so assuming you are, please explain the reasons why he does not have the same rights as we all do under the fourth amendment? He denied he had a gun, his roommate did not see a gun in the room. Under what grounds would they be able to SEARCH his room? yes I know they can enter to do routine maintenance but they cannot search.

It's on campus housing. You have less of a privacy right in on campus dorms than you do in a private residence. The policy says "for any other reasonable purpose." The Univ had a reasonable purpose. Also, not that it really matter, but the original news reports have been amended, the person who reported him having a gun was a student.

+1

Yup. Exactly why many high schools are getting rid of lockers - too much friction from the parents re: search and seizure. Guess what their kids are up too? Nothing good.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA parent here. The memorial service was wrenching. So sad.

UVA alumn here. I’m still so sad after watching the memorial service. I want to do something to help the families who lost their sons and the general student community who I know are grieving but not sure what I can do. I contributed to GoFundMe’s but can’t seem to find one for Mike Hollins.

There’s the UVA Strong Fund: https://giving.virginia.edu/uva-strong

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Anonymous wrote:UVA parent here. The memorial service was wrenching. So sad.

UVA alumn here. I’m still so sad after watching the memorial service. I want to do something to help the families who lost their sons and the general student community who I know are grieving but not sure what I can do. I contributed to GoFundMe’s but can’t seem to find one for Mike Hollins.

Vote. Vote for better gun laws and enforcement.

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It's on campus housing. You have less of a privacy right in on campus dorms than you do in a private residence. The policy says "for any other reasonable purpose." The Univ had a reasonable purpose. Also, not that it really matter, but the original news reports have been amended, the person who reported him having a gun was a student.



But the shooter denied having a gun. That’s why it was being referred to the Judicial Committee for review. If he denied it, is it reasonable for UVA to go in and search? especially with roommates present? Or it it premature? We will find out someday but right now this is all navel gazing

Leaving aside the search issue, the school has stated that the shooter did not respond to official requests for interviews with school staff. At a minimum, I would think it would have been appropriate to suspend the student until he was cooperative. This kind of incident may have happened anyway, but he would not have been on the bus.

I also would not be at all surprised to hear he has been diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia- he is at the prime age for it to manifest, and his publicly described behaviors sound consistent with such a diagnosis.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA parent here. The memorial service was wrenching. So sad.

UVA alumn here. I’m still so sad after watching the memorial service. I want to do something to help the families who lost their sons and the general student community who I know are grieving but not sure what I can do. I contributed to GoFundMe’s but can’t seem to find one for Mike Hollins.

Vote. Vote for better gun laws and enforcement.

I suspect (but don’t know) this case is going to turn out to be mental illness and that this tragedy would have happened no matter what the federal or state laws are. Or a different weapon would have been used. It’s too early to judge

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Anonymous wrote:UVA parent here. The memorial service was wrenching. So sad.

UVA alumn here. I’m still so sad after watching the memorial service. I want to do something to help the families who lost their sons and the general student community who I know are grieving but not sure what I can do. I contributed to GoFundMe’s but can’t seem to find one for Mike Hollins.

There’s the UVA Strong Fund: https://giving.virginia.edu/uva-strong

NP here- I would like a way to contribute to Mike Hollins/family as well, anyone know a way to do that? Looks like the uva strong goes to many things.