UVA mass shooting

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well hopefully any issues are learned from and addressed. As noted earlier in this thread, they cannot be liable for damages of more than $100K per plaintiff so for those of you who think this will be the end of UVA (as noted earlier in this thread) that is simply not the case. Also, check status of what happened at Tech for comparison. Any institutional weaknesses will be identified I am sure.

Also any judgment is paid out of insurance and reinsurance funds, not endowment

Not necessarily. They may be self insured or at least have a self insured retention.

[Anonymous]

I hate that in the United States, so many tragedies get reduced to discussions of money.

Like within hours of the horrendous Indian Ocean tsunami in 2004, people were debating how much it would make our car prices increase. 228,000 people had just died.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The bigger obstacle is probably that they are based in Virginia and have to tread lightly around the whole topic of "gun rights"

This was more about “black lives matter” than gun rights. They didn’t want the backlash of “racism” if nothing turned up. Police and universities let a lot of things go and it is why crime is spiking around the country. Nobody wants to be a cop anymore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The bigger obstacle is probably that they are based in Virginia and have to tread lightly around the whole topic of "gun rights"

This was more about “black lives matter” than gun rights. They didn’t want the backlash of “racism” if nothing turned up. Police and universities let a lot of things go and it is why crime is spiking around the country. Nobody wants to be a cop anymore.

Nope. Purely about gun rights. Nice try though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The bigger obstacle is probably that they are based in Virginia and have to tread lightly around the whole topic of "gun rights"

This was more about “black lives matter” than gun rights. They didn’t want the backlash of “racism” if nothing turned up. Police and universities let a lot of things go and it is why crime is spiking around the country. Nobody wants to be a cop anymore.

This. Can’t offend

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well hopefully any issues are learned from and addressed. As noted earlier in this thread, they cannot be liable for damages of more than $100K per plaintiff so for those of you who think this will be the end of UVA (as noted earlier in this thread) that is simply not the case. Also, check status of what happened at Tech for comparison. Any institutional weaknesses will be identified I am sure.

Also any judgment is paid out of insurance and reinsurance funds, not endowment

Not necessarily. They may be self insured or at least have a self insured retention.

Get real. Of course UVA does not self-insure!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The bigger obstacle is probably that they are based in Virginia and have to tread lightly around the whole topic of "gun rights"

This was more about “black lives matter” than gun rights. They didn’t want the backlash of “racism” if nothing turned up. Police and universities let a lot of things go and it is why crime is spiking around the country. Nobody wants to be a cop anymore.

This. Can’t offend

You think they’d have treated a white guy any differently? There are constitutional laws involved here, nothing to do with race.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The bigger obstacle is probably that they are based in Virginia and have to tread lightly around the whole topic of "gun rights"

This was more about “black lives matter” than gun rights. They didn’t want the backlash of “racism” if nothing turned up. Police and universities let a lot of things go and it is why crime is spiking around the country. Nobody wants to be a cop anymore.

This. Can’t offend

You think they’d have treated a white guy any differently? There are constitutional laws involved here, nothing to do with race.

No constitutional laws involved re UVA. The matter being referred to the Judicial Council was a determination if the shooter had violated campus rules about having a gun on campus and then was deceitful about it. That has nothing to do with the Constitution. And yes of course UVA and all other instate afraid of being called racist z!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well hopefully any issues are learned from and addressed. As noted earlier in this thread, they cannot be liable for damages of more than $100K per plaintiff so for those of you who think this will be the end of UVA (as noted earlier in this thread) that is simply not the case. Also, check status of what happened at Tech for comparison. Any institutional weaknesses will be identified I am sure.

Also any judgment is paid out of insurance and reinsurance funds, not endowment

Not necessarily. They may be self insured or at least have a self insured retention.

Get real. Of course UVA does not self-insure!

Actually I think you’re wrong. I think UVA is part of the commonwealth insurance program which I am pretty sure is self insured for liability.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The bigger obstacle is probably that they are based in Virginia and have to tread lightly around the whole topic of "gun rights"

This was more about “black lives matter” than gun rights. They didn’t want the backlash of “racism” if nothing turned up. Police and universities let a lot of things go and it is why crime is spiking around the country. Nobody wants to be a cop anymore.

This. Can’t offend

You think they’d have treated a white guy any differently? There are constitutional laws involved here, nothing to do with race.

No constitutional laws involved re UVA. The matter being referred to the Judicial Council was a determination if the shooter had violated campus rules about having a gun on campus and then was deceitful about it. That has nothing to do with the Constitution. And yes of course UVA and all other instate afraid of being called racist z!

You don’t think the fourth amendment applies here? They had no grounds to search his room. Yes they could have acted quicker to discipline him but that doesn’t necessarily mean that a tragedy would have been avoided. He could still have done harm even if he was technically suspended.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The bigger obstacle is probably that they are based in Virginia and have to tread lightly around the whole topic of "gun rights"

This was more about “black lives matter” than gun rights. They didn’t want the backlash of “racism” if nothing turned up. Police and universities let a lot of things go and it is why crime is spiking around the country. Nobody wants to be a cop anymore.

This. Can’t offend

+1. It was very hot button after the death in. Charlottesville at the white supremacist/nazi rally in 2017, when they wanted to remove the Robert E Lee statue. The climate thereafter and blm movement really has authorities and police giving a lot of leeway and hesitation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The bigger obstacle is probably that they are based in Virginia and have to tread lightly around the whole topic of "gun rights"

This was more about “black lives matter” than gun rights. They didn’t want the backlash of “racism” if nothing turned up. Police and universities let a lot of things go and it is why crime is spiking around the country. Nobody wants to be a cop anymore.

This. Can’t offend

You think they’d have treated a white guy any differently? There are constitutional laws involved here, nothing to do with race.

White person here. Yes- given that most mass shooters, particularly school ones, are white males.

[Anonymous]

UVA parent here. The memorial service was wrenching. So sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UVA parent here. The memorial service was wrenching. So sad.

Thank you for posting. I was in the UVA hospital when the survivors were brought in and my DC went there. I think UVA is doing everything it can to alleviate a horrendous situation starting with cancelling the football season and putting together today’s memorial service.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UVA parent here. The memorial service was wrenching. So sad.

Thank you for posting. I was in the UVA hospital when the survivors were brought in and my DC went there. I think UVA is doing everything it can to alleviate a horrendous situation starting with cancelling the football season and putting together today’s memorial service.

Hugs to you. This, and the student memorial, marching band evening, and beta bridge. Everyone on Grounds (and in the larger community) is gutted.

I agree with a PP a few pages back that said the gunman probably would have attacked even if he had left the university.