UVA mass shooting

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Anonymous wrote:UVA parent here. The memorial service was wrenching. So sad.

UVA alumn here. I’m still so sad after watching the memorial service. I want to do something to help the families who lost their sons and the general student community who I know are grieving but not sure what I can do. I contributed to GoFundMe’s but can’t seem to find one for Mike Hollins.

There’s the UVA Strong Fund: https://giving.virginia.edu/uva-strong

+1. Thank you for this

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Anonymous wrote:UVA parent here. The memorial service was wrenching. So sad.

UVA alumn here. I’m still so sad after watching the memorial service. I want to do something to help the families who lost their sons and the general student community who I know are grieving but not sure what I can do. I contributed to GoFundMe’s but can’t seem to find one for Mike Hollins.

There’s the UVA Strong Fund: https://giving.virginia.edu/uva-strong

NP here- I would like a way to contribute to Mike Hollins/family as well, anyone know a way to do that? Looks like the uva strong goes to many things.

Call the office of the President, James Ryan, and ask

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It's on campus housing. You have less of a privacy right in on campus dorms than you do in a private residence. The policy says "for any other reasonable purpose." The Univ had a reasonable purpose. Also, not that it really matter, but the original news reports have been amended, the person who reported him having a gun was a student.



But the shooter denied having a gun. That’s why it was being referred to the Judicial Committee for review. If he denied it, is it reasonable for UVA to go in and search? especially with roommates present? Or it it premature? We will find out someday but right now this is all navel gazing

Leaving aside the search issue, the school has stated that the shooter did not respond to official requests for interviews with school staff. At a minimum, I would think it would have been appropriate to suspend the student until he was cooperative. This kind of incident may have happened anyway, but he would not have been on the bus.

I also would not be at all surprised to hear he has been diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia- he is at the prime age for it to manifest, and his publicly described behaviors sound consistent with such a diagnosis.[/quote


We don’t know the answer to either point yet. Let’s wait and see the facts after the independent Special Counsel has investigated

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Anonymous wrote:Somewhat off-topic, but my DS is a first year at UVA. With the news about the shooter’s multiple guns in his room and what the University knew about him before Sunday, my DS is feeling enraged at the University administration. He wants to mourn these students but not feel that about his college.

I’m a Tech alum and I was a freshman during the shooting there. It is a normal reaction To this kind of event. I agree with the suggestion of therapy to talk it through. Unfortunately, when college students can legally purchase firearms you are going to have this sort of thing happen over and over again. I hate to sound so trite, but I’m speaking as someone who went through the same emotions as an 18/19 year old.

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Anonymous wrote:Somewhat off-topic, but my DS is a first year at UVA. With the news about the shooter’s multiple guns in his room and what the University knew about him before Sunday, my DS is feeling enraged at the University administration. He wants to mourn these students but not feel that about his college.

I'm not sure how the university would know he had guns in his room. They were informed by someone not affiliated with the school that he purchased a gun and directly asked the roommate as well as the shooter, who both denied the presence of a gun. The person who told them he bought a gun had also not seen a gun. They can't just randomly search someone's housing on a comment that someone bought a gun. Not sure what your DS thinks the school could have done differently. He was notified just weeks ago that he was going to be disciplined, which who knows, may have pushed him over the edge.

I am pretty sure that the school can search a room if they suspect something dangerous or illegal, or of course they can call the police. This kid already had lied about a gun charge, and failed a gun background check twice.

Not sure why so many people are acting like he is some innocent lamb who deserved a second chance. The people he shot were the innocent lambs...to the slaughter.

Aahh lawyering by Google, good luck with that. This is a nuanced area, you don't seem to understand this at all.



So you think just someone who is not associated with the school saying he owns a gun is enough to search his room? And no, UVA is not doing background checks on all of their students on a rolling basis. I personally think it will come out that the school did what it could to prevent it (though who knows really), this is a mentally ill man who bought a gun legally. Unfortunately until we do more to tighten gun laws, this is going to continue to happen.

I get the PP's kids anger, I have two kids at UVA. One is PISSED. He is pissed about the politics of gun reform and he is pissed at the inaction of politicians. My DD is asleep in her room, nearly in tears all the time. Just sad. Kids react differently so I definitely feel for the PP's student, but we really don't know alot about what the school could or could not have done to prevent this so I would encourage him to go to the memorial tomorrow and try to process this senseless act with his community and family.

Well, their housing policy says they have to enter any room at any time for "any reasonable purpose."

https://housing.virginia.edu/housing-terms-undergrad#student_conduct

Yes these are the reasons:

"Allow University staff or their agents to enter residences for work orders, routine maintenance, inspections, repairs, emergencies, or housekeeping duties, or any other reasonable purpose, at any time."
Conducting a search is not included in these reasons.

Let me guess, you are not a lawyer.

No I'm not a lawyer so assuming you are, please explain the reasons why he does not have the same rights as we all do under the fourth amendment? He denied he had a gun, his roommate did not see a gun in the room. Under what grounds would they be able to SEARCH his room? yes I know they can enter to do routine maintenance but they cannot search.

It's on campus housing. You have less of a privacy right in on campus dorms than you do in a private residence. The policy says "for any other reasonable purpose." The Univ had a reasonable purpose. Also, not that it really matter, but the original news reports have been amended, the person who reported him having a gun was a student.

You’re wrong. A quick google search shows there is tons of case law that reinforces that the fourth amendment does apply to college students living in the dorm and the colleges policy of stating that they can enter for “any reasonable purpose” does not include searching a room based on hearsay.

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Anonymous wrote:Somewhat off-topic, but my DS is a first year at UVA. With the news about the shooter’s multiple guns in his room and what the University knew about him before Sunday, my DS is feeling enraged at the University administration. He wants to mourn these students but not feel that about his college.

I’m a Tech alum and I was a freshman during the shooting there. It is a normal reaction To this kind of event. I agree with the suggestion of therapy to talk it through. Unfortunately, when college students can legally purchase firearms you are going to have this sort of thing happen over and over again. I hate to sound so trite, but I’m speaking as someone who went through the same emotions as an 18/19 year old.

Anger is a completely normal reaction. Check out this info from UVA and ignore the haters on here.

https://news.virginia.edu/content/moving-forward-how-should-parents-interact-their-students-over-break?utm_source=UFacebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=news&fbclid=IwAR2YUv7Nl5R64cbssIfmgEs_RkZg9UdKrjg6elxtU69Ems7LTxDMSc3yHxk

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Anonymous wrote:Somewhat off-topic, but my DS is a first year at UVA. With the news about the shooter’s multiple guns in his room and what the University knew about him before Sunday, my DS is feeling enraged at the University administration. He wants to mourn these students but not feel that about his college.

I'm not sure how the university would know he had guns in his room. They were informed by someone not affiliated with the school that he purchased a gun and directly asked the roommate as well as the shooter, who both denied the presence of a gun. The person who told them he bought a gun had also not seen a gun. They can't just randomly search someone's housing on a comment that someone bought a gun. Not sure what your DS thinks the school could have done differently. He was notified just weeks ago that he was going to be disciplined, which who knows, may have pushed him over the edge.

I am pretty sure that the school can search a room if they suspect something dangerous or illegal, or of course they can call the police. This kid already had lied about a gun charge, and failed a gun background check twice.

Not sure why so many people are acting like he is some innocent lamb who deserved a second chance. The people he shot were the innocent lambs...to the slaughter.

So you think just someone who is not associated with the school saying he owns a gun is enough to search his room? And no, UVA is not doing background checks on all of their students on a rolling basis. I personally think it will come out that the school did what it could to prevent it (though who knows really), this is a mentally ill man who bought a gun legally. Unfortunately until we do more to tighten gun laws, this is going to continue to happen.

I get the PP's kids anger, I have two kids at UVA. One is PISSED. He is pissed about the politics of gun reform and he is pissed at the inaction of politicians. My DD is asleep in her room, nearly in tears all the time. Just sad. Kids react differently so I definitely feel for the PP's student, but we really don't know alot about what the school could or could not have done to prevent this so I would encourage him to go to the memorial tomorrow and try to process this senseless act with his community and family.

Well, their housing policy says they have to enter any room at any time for "any reasonable purpose."

https://housing.virginia.edu/housing-terms-undergrad#student_conduct

Yes these are the reasons:

"Allow University staff or their agents to enter residences for work orders, routine maintenance, inspections, repairs, emergencies, or housekeeping duties, or any other reasonable purpose, at any time."
Conducting a search is not included in these reasons.

Let me guess, you are not a lawyer.

No I'm not a lawyer so assuming you are, please explain the reasons why he does not have the same rights as we all do under the fourth amendment? He denied he had a gun, his roommate did not see a gun in the room. Under what grounds would they be able to SEARCH his room? yes I know they can enter to do routine maintenance but they cannot search.

It's on campus housing. You have less of a privacy right in on campus dorms than you do in a private residence. The policy says "for any other reasonable purpose." The Univ had a reasonable purpose. Also, not that it really matter, but the original news reports have been amended, the person who reported him having a gun was a student.

You’re wrong. A quick google search shows there is tons of case law that reinforces that the fourth amendment does apply to college students living in the dorm and the colleges policy of stating that they can enter for “any reasonable purpose” does not include searching a room based on hearsay.

Aahh lawyering by Google, good luck with that.

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Anonymous wrote:Somewhat off-topic, but my DS is a first year at UVA. With the news about the shooter’s multiple guns in his room and what the University knew about him before Sunday, my DS is feeling enraged at the University administration. He wants to mourn these students but not feel that about his college.

I’m a Tech alum and I was a freshman during the shooting there. It is a normal reaction To this kind of event. I agree with the suggestion of therapy to talk it through. Unfortunately, when college students can legally purchase firearms you are going to have this sort of thing happen over and over again. I hate to sound so trite, but I’m speaking as someone who went through the same emotions as an 18/19 year old.

Anger is a completely normal reaction. Check out this info from UVA and ignore the haters on here.

https://news.virginia.edu/content/moving-forward-how-should-parents-interact-their-students-over-break?utm_source=UFacebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=news&fbclid=IwAR2YUv7Nl5R64cbssIfmgEs_RkZg9UdKrjg6elxtU69Ems7LTxDMSc3yHxk

PP you responded to. Yes, anger is a completely normal reaction and I hope that I made that clear in my post. It’s not a “red flag” like someone else said. It’s normal to want to place blame. I went though it, too.

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Anonymous wrote:Somewhat off-topic, but my DS is a first year at UVA. With the news about the shooter’s multiple guns in his room and what the University knew about him before Sunday, my DS is feeling enraged at the University administration. He wants to mourn these students but not feel that about his college.

I'm not sure how the university would know he had guns in his room. They were informed by someone not affiliated with the school that he purchased a gun and directly asked the roommate as well as the shooter, who both denied the presence of a gun. The person who told them he bought a gun had also not seen a gun. They can't just randomly search someone's housing on a comment that someone bought a gun. Not sure what your DS thinks the school could have done differently. He was notified just weeks ago that he was going to be disciplined, which who knows, may have pushed him over the edge.

I am pretty sure that the school can search a room if they suspect something dangerous or illegal, or of course they can call the police. This kid already had lied about a gun charge, and failed a gun background check twice.

Not sure why so many people are acting like he is some innocent lamb who deserved a second chance. The people he shot were the innocent lambs...to the slaughter.

So you think just someone who is not associated with the school saying he owns a gun is enough to search his room? And no, UVA is not doing background checks on all of their students on a rolling basis. I personally think it will come out that the school did what it could to prevent it (though who knows really), this is a mentally ill man who bought a gun legally. Unfortunately until we do more to tighten gun laws, this is going to continue to happen.

I get the PP's kids anger, I have two kids at UVA. One is PISSED. He is pissed about the politics of gun reform and he is pissed at the inaction of politicians. My DD is asleep in her room, nearly in tears all the time. Just sad. Kids react differently so I definitely feel for the PP's student, but we really don't know alot about what the school could or could not have done to prevent this so I would encourage him to go to the memorial tomorrow and try to process this senseless act with his community and family.

Well, their housing policy says they have to enter any room at any time for "any reasonable purpose."

https://housing.virginia.edu/housing-terms-undergrad#student_conduct

Yes these are the reasons:

"Allow University staff or their agents to enter residences for work orders, routine maintenance, inspections, repairs, emergencies, or housekeeping duties, or any other reasonable purpose, at any time."
Conducting a search is not included in these reasons.

Let me guess, you are not a lawyer.

No I'm not a lawyer so assuming you are, please explain the reasons why he does not have the same rights as we all do under the fourth amendment? He denied he had a gun, his roommate did not see a gun in the room. Under what grounds would they be able to SEARCH his room? yes I know they can enter to do routine maintenance but they cannot search.

It's on campus housing. You have less of a privacy right in on campus dorms than you do in a private residence. The policy says "for any other reasonable purpose." The Univ had a reasonable purpose. Also, not that it really matter, but the original news reports have been amended, the person who reported him having a gun was a student.

You’re wrong. A quick google search shows there is tons of case law that reinforces that the fourth amendment does apply to college students living in the dorm and the colleges policy of stating that they can enter for “any reasonable purpose” does not include searching a room based on hearsay.

Aahh lawyering by Google, good luck with that.

Where is your evidence that they could have searched the room based on what they knew?

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Here is a link to yesterday's memorial service. I went to the service and so did some friends. Others watched it on line. Everyone was deeply moved. https://www.virginia.edu/live

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Good article on “threat assessment teams” which says it seems that UVA did it by the book.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/11/19/uva-shooting-threat-assessment-team/

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Anonymous wrote:Somewhat off-topic, but my DS is a first year at UVA. With the news about the shooter’s multiple guns in his room and what the University knew about him before Sunday, my DS is feeling enraged at the University administration. He wants to mourn these students but not feel that about his college.

I'm not sure how the university would know he had guns in his room. They were informed by someone not affiliated with the school that he purchased a gun and directly asked the roommate as well as the shooter, who both denied the presence of a gun. The person who told them he bought a gun had also not seen a gun. They can't just randomly search someone's housing on a comment that someone bought a gun. Not sure what your DS thinks the school could have done differently. He was notified just weeks ago that he was going to be disciplined, which who knows, may have pushed him over the edge.

I am pretty sure that the school can search a room if they suspect something dangerous or illegal, or of course they can call the police. This kid already had lied about a gun charge, and failed a gun background check twice.

Not sure why so many people are acting like he is some innocent lamb who deserved a second chance. The people he shot were the innocent lambs...to the slaughter.

So you think just someone who is not associated with the school saying he owns a gun is enough to search his room? And no, UVA is not doing background checks on all of their students on a rolling basis. I personally think it will come out that the school did what it could to prevent it (though who knows really), this is a mentally ill man who bought a gun legally. Unfortunately until we do more to tighten gun laws, this is going to continue to happen.

I get the PP's kids anger, I have two kids at UVA. One is PISSED. He is pissed about the politics of gun reform and he is pissed at the inaction of politicians. My DD is asleep in her room, nearly in tears all the time. Just sad. Kids react differently so I definitely feel for the PP's student, but we really don't know alot about what the school could or could not have done to prevent this so I would encourage him to go to the memorial tomorrow and try to process this senseless act with his community and family.

Well, their housing policy says they have to enter any room at any time for "any reasonable purpose."

https://housing.virginia.edu/housing-terms-undergrad#student_conduct

Yes these are the reasons:

"Allow University staff or their agents to enter residences for work orders, routine maintenance, inspections, repairs, emergencies, or housekeeping duties, or any other reasonable purpose, at any time."
Conducting a search is not included in these reasons.

Let me guess, you are not a lawyer.

No I'm not a lawyer so assuming you are, please explain the reasons why he does not have the same rights as we all do under the fourth amendment? He denied he had a gun, his roommate did not see a gun in the room. Under what grounds would they be able to SEARCH his room? yes I know they can enter to do routine maintenance but they cannot search.

It's on campus housing. You have less of a privacy right in on campus dorms than you do in a private residence. The policy says "for any other reasonable purpose." The Univ had a reasonable purpose. Also, not that it really matter, but the original news reports have been amended, the person who reported him having a gun was a student.

You’re wrong. A quick google search shows there is tons of case law that reinforces that the fourth amendment does apply to college students living in the dorm and the colleges policy of stating that they can enter for “any reasonable purpose” does not include searching a room based on hearsay.

Aahh lawyering by Google, good luck with that.

Where is your evidence that they could have searched the room based on what they knew?

Oh sweetie... first of all who do you mean by "they"? There is a difference between a search by university officials or a search by law enforcement.

Second, I'd have to see the housing contract. Third, I don't know "what they knew," either do you.

There is no way to get a complete answer to this based on info gleaned from news reports, which keep shifting and are not going to be complete, and google.

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Anonymous wrote:Somewhat off-topic, but my DS is a first year at UVA. With the news about the shooter’s multiple guns in his room and what the University knew about him before Sunday, my DS is feeling enraged at the University administration. He wants to mourn these students but not feel that about his college.

I'm not sure how the university would know he had guns in his room. They were informed by someone not affiliated with the school that he purchased a gun and directly asked the roommate as well as the shooter, who both denied the presence of a gun. The person who told them he bought a gun had also not seen a gun. They can't just randomly search someone's housing on a comment that someone bought a gun. Not sure what your DS thinks the school could have done differently. He was notified just weeks ago that he was going to be disciplined, which who knows, may have pushed him over the edge.

I am pretty sure that the school can search a room if they suspect something dangerous or illegal, or of course they can call the police. This kid already had lied about a gun charge, and failed a gun background check twice.

Not sure why so many people are acting like he is some innocent lamb who deserved a second chance. The people he shot were the innocent lambs...to the slaughter.

So you think just someone who is not associated with the school saying he owns a gun is enough to search his room? And no, UVA is not doing background checks on all of their students on a rolling basis. I personally think it will come out that the school did what it could to prevent it (though who knows really), this is a mentally ill man who bought a gun legally. Unfortunately until we do more to tighten gun laws, this is going to continue to happen.

I get the PP's kids anger, I have two kids at UVA. One is PISSED. He is pissed about the politics of gun reform and he is pissed at the inaction of politicians. My DD is asleep in her room, nearly in tears all the time. Just sad. Kids react differently so I definitely feel for the PP's student, but we really don't know alot about what the school could or could not have done to prevent this so I would encourage him to go to the memorial tomorrow and try to process this senseless act with his community and family.

Well, their housing policy says they have to enter any room at any time for "any reasonable purpose."

https://housing.virginia.edu/housing-terms-undergrad#student_conduct

Yes these are the reasons:

"Allow University staff or their agents to enter residences for work orders, routine maintenance, inspections, repairs, emergencies, or housekeeping duties, or any other reasonable purpose, at any time."
Conducting a search is not included in these reasons.

Let me guess, you are not a lawyer.

No I'm not a lawyer so assuming you are, please explain the reasons why he does not have the same rights as we all do under the fourth amendment? He denied he had a gun, his roommate did not see a gun in the room. Under what grounds would they be able to SEARCH his room? yes I know they can enter to do routine maintenance but they cannot search.

It's on campus housing. You have less of a privacy right in on campus dorms than you do in a private residence. The policy says "for any other reasonable purpose." The Univ had a reasonable purpose. Also, not that it really matter, but the original news reports have been amended, the person who reported him having a gun was a student.

You’re wrong. A quick google search shows there is tons of case law that reinforces that the fourth amendment does apply to college students living in the dorm and the colleges policy of stating that they can enter for “any reasonable purpose” does not include searching a room based on hearsay.

Aahh lawyering by Google, good luck with that.

Where is your evidence that they could have searched the room based on what they knew?

Oh sweetie... first of all who do you mean by "they"? There is a difference between a search by university officials or a search by law enforcement.

Second, I'd have to see the housing contract. Third, I don't know "what they knew," either do you.

There is no way to get a complete answer to this based on info gleaned from news reports, which keep shifting and are not going to be complete, and google.

Why when people want to belittle someone (anonymous on the internet), do they turn them into a woman?

I don't appreciate that.

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Anonymous wrote:Good article on “threat assessment teams” which says it seems that UVA did it by the book.

Perhaps they "did it by the book", but if I understand correctly they knew about his criminal record involving guns and the hearsay that he had a weapon. Could they have done more and escalated this and worked on this with urgency despite all the red tape in their system? What is the answer to this question, was it in their power? My guess is, yes.