UVA mass shooting

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Anonymous wrote:Somewhat off-topic, but my DS is a first year at UVA. With the news about the shooter’s multiple guns in his room and what the University knew about him before Sunday, my DS is feeling enraged at the University administration. He wants to mourn these students but not feel that about his college.

I'm not sure how the university would know he had guns in his room. They were informed by someone not affiliated with the school that he purchased a gun and directly asked the roommate as well as the shooter, who both denied the presence of a gun. The person who told them he bought a gun had also not seen a gun. They can't just randomly search someone's housing on a comment that someone bought a gun. Not sure what your DS thinks the school could have done differently. He was notified just weeks ago that he was going to be disciplined, which who knows, may have pushed him over the edge.

I am pretty sure that the school can search a room if they suspect something dangerous or illegal, or of course they can call the police. This kid already had lied about a gun charge, and failed a gun background check twice.

Not sure why so many people are acting like he is some innocent lamb who deserved a second chance. The people he shot were the innocent lambs...to the slaughter.

So you think just someone who is not associated with the school saying he owns a gun is enough to search his room? And no, UVA is not doing background checks on all of their students on a rolling basis. I personally think it will come out that the school did what it could to prevent it (though who knows really), this is a mentally ill man who bought a gun legally. Unfortunately until we do more to tighten gun laws, this is going to continue to happen.

I get the PP's kids anger, I have two kids at UVA. One is PISSED. He is pissed about the politics of gun reform and he is pissed at the inaction of politicians. My DD is asleep in her room, nearly in tears all the time. Just sad. Kids react differently so I definitely feel for the PP's student, but we really don't know alot about what the school could or could not have done to prevent this so I would encourage him to go to the memorial tomorrow and try to process this senseless act with his community and family.

Well, their housing policy says they have to enter any room at any time for "any reasonable purpose."

https://housing.virginia.edu/housing-terms-undergrad#student_conduct

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Anonymous wrote:Somewhat off-topic, but my DS is a first year at UVA. With the news about the shooter’s multiple guns in his room and what the University knew about him before Sunday, my DS is feeling enraged at the University administration. He wants to mourn these students but not feel that about his college.

I'm not sure how the university would know he had guns in his room. They were informed by someone not affiliated with the school that he purchased a gun and directly asked the roommate as well as the shooter, who both denied the presence of a gun. The person who told them he bought a gun had also not seen a gun. They can't just randomly search someone's housing on a comment that someone bought a gun. Not sure what your DS thinks the school could have done differently. He was notified just weeks ago that he was going to be disciplined, which who knows, may have pushed him over the edge.

I am pretty sure that the school can search a room if they suspect something dangerous or illegal, or of course they can call the police. This kid already had lied about a gun charge, and failed a gun background check twice.

Not sure why so many people are acting like he is some innocent lamb who deserved a second chance. The people he shot were the innocent lambs...to the slaughter.

So you think just someone who is not associated with the school saying he owns a gun is enough to search his room? And no, UVA is not doing background checks on all of their students on a rolling basis. I personally think it will come out that the school did what it could to prevent it (though who knows really), this is a mentally ill man who bought a gun legally. Unfortunately until we do more to tighten gun laws, this is going to continue to happen.

I get the PP's kids anger, I have two kids at UVA. One is PISSED. He is pissed about the politics of gun reform and he is pissed at the inaction of politicians. My DD is asleep in her room, nearly in tears all the time. Just sad. Kids react differently so I definitely feel for the PP's student, but we really don't know alot about what the school could or could not have done to prevent this so I would encourage him to go to the memorial tomorrow and try to process this senseless act with his community and family.

Well, their housing policy says they have to enter any room at any time for "any reasonable purpose."

https://housing.virginia.edu/housing-terms-undergrad#student_conduct

Yes these are the reasons:

"Allow University staff or their agents to enter residences for work orders, routine maintenance, inspections, repairs, emergencies, or housekeeping duties, or any other reasonable purpose, at any time."
Conducting a search is not included in these reasons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Somewhat off-topic, but my DS is a first year at UVA. With the news about the shooter’s multiple guns in his room and what the University knew about him before Sunday, my DS is feeling enraged at the University administration. He wants to mourn these students but not feel that about his college.

I'm not sure how the university would know he had guns in his room. They were informed by someone not affiliated with the school that he purchased a gun and directly asked the roommate as well as the shooter, who both denied the presence of a gun. The person who told them he bought a gun had also not seen a gun. They can't just randomly search someone's housing on a comment that someone bought a gun. Not sure what your DS thinks the school could have done differently. He was notified just weeks ago that he was going to be disciplined, which who knows, may have pushed him over the edge.

I am pretty sure that the school can search a room if they suspect something dangerous or illegal, or of course they can call the police. This kid already had lied about a gun charge, and failed a gun background check twice.

Not sure why so many people are acting like he is some innocent lamb who deserved a second chance. The people he shot were the innocent lambs...to the slaughter.

So you think just someone who is not associated with the school saying he owns a gun is enough to search his room? And no, UVA is not doing background checks on all of their students on a rolling basis. I personally think it will come out that the school did what it could to prevent it (though who knows really), this is a mentally ill man who bought a gun legally. Unfortunately until we do more to tighten gun laws, this is going to continue to happen.

I get the PP's kids anger, I have two kids at UVA. One is PISSED. He is pissed about the politics of gun reform and he is pissed at the inaction of politicians. My DD is asleep in her room, nearly in tears all the time. Just sad. Kids react differently so I definitely feel for the PP's student, but we really don't know alot about what the school could or could not have done to prevent this so I would encourage him to go to the memorial tomorrow and try to process this senseless act with his community and family.

Well, their housing policy says they have to enter any room at any time for "any reasonable purpose."

https://housing.virginia.edu/housing-terms-undergrad#student_conduct

Yes these are the reasons:

"Allow University staff or their agents to enter residences for work orders, routine maintenance, inspections, repairs, emergencies, or housekeeping duties, or any other reasonable purpose, at any time."
Conducting a search is not included in these reasons.

Let me guess, you are not a lawyer.

[Anonymous]

The bigger obstacle is probably that they are based in Virginia and have to tread lightly around the whole topic of "gun rights"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Somewhat off-topic, but my DS is a first year at UVA. With the news about the shooter’s multiple guns in his room and what the University knew about him before Sunday, my DS is feeling enraged at the University administration. He wants to mourn these students but not feel that about his college.

I'm not sure how the university would know he had guns in his room. They were informed by someone not affiliated with the school that he purchased a gun and directly asked the roommate as well as the shooter, who both denied the presence of a gun. The person who told them he bought a gun had also not seen a gun. They can't just randomly search someone's housing on a comment that someone bought a gun. Not sure what your DS thinks the school could have done differently. He was notified just weeks ago that he was going to be disciplined, which who knows, may have pushed him over the edge.

I am pretty sure that the school can search a room if they suspect something dangerous or illegal, or of course they can call the police. This kid already had lied about a gun charge, and failed a gun background check twice.

Not sure why so many people are acting like he is some innocent lamb who deserved a second chance. The people he shot were the innocent lambs...to the slaughter.

So you think just someone who is not associated with the school saying he owns a gun is enough to search his room? And no, UVA is not doing background checks on all of their students on a rolling basis. I personally think it will come out that the school did what it could to prevent it (though who knows really), this is a mentally ill man who bought a gun legally. Unfortunately until we do more to tighten gun laws, this is going to continue to happen.

I get the PP's kids anger, I have two kids at UVA. One is PISSED. He is pissed about the politics of gun reform and he is pissed at the inaction of politicians. My DD is asleep in her room, nearly in tears all the time. Just sad. Kids react differently so I definitely feel for the PP's student, but we really don't know alot about what the school could or could not have done to prevent this so I would encourage him to go to the memorial tomorrow and try to process this senseless act with his community and family.

Well, their housing policy says they have to enter any room at any time for "any reasonable purpose."

https://housing.virginia.edu/housing-terms-undergrad#student_conduct

Yes these are the reasons:

"Allow University staff or their agents to enter residences for work orders, routine maintenance, inspections, repairs, emergencies, or housekeeping duties, or any other reasonable purpose, at any time."
Conducting a search is not included in these reasons.

Let me guess, you are not a lawyer.

No I'm not a lawyer so assuming you are, please explain the reasons why he does not have the same rights as we all do under the fourth amendment? He denied he had a gun, his roommate did not see a gun in the room. Under what grounds would they be able to SEARCH his room? yes I know they can enter to do routine maintenance but they cannot search.

[Anonymous]

I'm not a lawyer, either. I think that FERPA plays an oversize role in this tragic mess and the fact that UJC didn't get involved because something was overlooked and they were not informed for whatever reason. It smacks of incompetence and institutional weak spots that can be exploited for fair or foul.

UVA will be getting a special counsel appointed by the AG to investigate the multiple systemic failures.

[Anonymous]

Well hopefully any issues are learned from and addressed. As noted earlier in this thread, they cannot be liable for damages of more than $100K per plaintiff so for those of you who think this will be the end of UVA (as noted earlier in this thread) that is simply not the case. Also, check status of what happened at Tech for comparison. Any institutional weaknesses will be identified I am sure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Somewhat off-topic, but my DS is a first year at UVA. With the news about the shooter’s multiple guns in his room and what the University knew about him before Sunday, my DS is feeling enraged at the University administration. He wants to mourn these students but not feel that about his college.

I'm not sure how the university would know he had guns in his room. They were informed by someone not affiliated with the school that he purchased a gun and directly asked the roommate as well as the shooter, who both denied the presence of a gun. The person who told them he bought a gun had also not seen a gun. They can't just randomly search someone's housing on a comment that someone bought a gun. Not sure what your DS thinks the school could have done differently. He was notified just weeks ago that he was going to be disciplined, which who knows, may have pushed him over the edge.

+1 agree, being enraged at the university is a red flag and this young man should seek a professional to talk to. Being enraged at the shooter is appropriate but the university is misplaced. Quite honestly those kinds of unchecked emotions are what can lead to behavior like we all witnessed and with several of my kids at UVA it makes me uncomfortable.

I 100% completely disagree. I would be enraged at my school if I thought they didn't take threats seriously. I would be enraged if they wanted to tip-toe around someone because they felt it might invoke 'race allegations'. I would be enraged if they left it up to students to police threats like these. I would be enraged if I felt the University were lying and doing a cover-up and not being transparent.

This kid has a right to feel very angry at the university, the shooter and the circumstances.

Except tgst we don’t have enough facts yet to justify enragememt at anything yet. Calm down and let the special counsel investigate. You don’t know anything about the shooting, the motivation, or what the two survivors know yet. Even the University is trying to find out what happened (there are 26,000 students and 4,000 academics). We know nothing

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Somewhat off-topic, but my DS is a first year at UVA. With the news about the shooter’s multiple guns in his room and what the University knew about him before Sunday, my DS is feeling enraged at the University administration. He wants to mourn these students but not feel that about his college.

I'm not sure how the university would know he had guns in his room. They were informed by someone not affiliated with the school that he purchased a gun and directly asked the roommate as well as the shooter, who both denied the presence of a gun. The person who told them he bought a gun had also not seen a gun. They can't just randomly search someone's housing on a comment that someone bought a gun. Not sure what your DS thinks the school could have done differently. He was notified just weeks ago that he was going to be disciplined, which who knows, may have pushed him over the edge.

+1 agree, being enraged at the university is a red flag and this young man should seek a professional to talk to. Being enraged at the shooter is appropriate but the university is misplaced. Quite honestly those kinds of unchecked emotions are what can lead to behavior like we all witnessed and with several of my kids at UVA it makes me uncomfortable.

I 100% completely disagree. I would be enraged at my school if I thought they didn't take threats seriously. I would be enraged if they wanted to tip-toe around someone because they felt it might invoke 'race allegations'. I would be enraged if they left it up to students to police threats like these. I would be enraged if I felt the University were lying and doing a cover-up and not being transparent.

This kid has a right to feel very angry at the university, the shooter and the circumstances.

Except tgst we don’t have enough facts yet to justify enragememt at anything yet. Calm down and let the special counsel investigate. You don’t know anything about the shooting, the motivation, or what the two survivors know yet. Even the University is trying to find out what happened (there are 26,000 students and 4,000 academics). We know nothing

Even if UVa had expelled the shooter, he still could have come back on its campus to shoot football players. Unfortunate, but it should make students feel less angst toward UVa.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Somewhat off-topic, but my DS is a first year at UVA. With the news about the shooter’s multiple guns in his room and what the University knew about him before Sunday, my DS is feeling enraged at the University administration. He wants to mourn these students but not feel that about his college.

I'm not sure how the university would know he had guns in his room. They were informed by someone not affiliated with the school that he purchased a gun and directly asked the roommate as well as the shooter, who both denied the presence of a gun. The person who told them he bought a gun had also not seen a gun. They can't just randomly search someone's housing on a comment that someone bought a gun. Not sure what your DS thinks the school could have done differently. He was notified just weeks ago that he was going to be disciplined, which who knows, may have pushed him over the edge.

I am pretty sure that the school can search a room if they suspect something dangerous or illegal, or of course they can call the police. This kid already had lied about a gun charge, and failed a gun background check twice.

Not sure why so many people are acting like he is some innocent lamb who deserved a second chance. The people he shot were the innocent lambs...to the slaughter.

So you think just someone who is not associated with the school saying he owns a gun is enough to search his room? And no, UVA is not doing background checks on all of their students on a rolling basis. I personally think it will come out that the school did what it could to prevent it (though who knows really), this is a mentally ill man who bought a gun legally. Unfortunately until we do more to tighten gun laws, this is going to continue to happen.

I get the PP's kids anger, I have two kids at UVA. One is PISSED. He is pissed about the politics of gun reform and he is pissed at the inaction of politicians. My DD is asleep in her room, nearly in tears all the time. Just sad. Kids react differently so I definitely feel for the PP's student, but we really don't know alot about what the school could or could not have done to prevent this so I would encourage him to go to the memorial tomorrow and try to process this senseless act with his community and family.

Well, their housing policy says they have to enter any room at any time for "any reasonable purpose."

https://housing.virginia.edu/housing-terms-undergrad#student_conduct

Yes these are the reasons:

"Allow University staff or their agents to enter residences for work orders, routine maintenance, inspections, repairs, emergencies, or housekeeping duties, or any other reasonable purpose, at any time."
Conducting a search is not included in these reasons.

LOL. Inspections and emergencies cover all sorts of things. Keep studying, kid.

DP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The bigger obstacle is probably that they are based in Virginia and have to tread lightly around the whole topic of "gun rights"

X10000

Bingo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The bigger obstacle is probably that they are based in Virginia and have to tread lightly around the whole topic of "gun rights"

X10000

Bingo.

Brilliant, you two geniuses have figured everything out!

[Anonymous]

I am a UVA grad. It's very unusual to me that an upperclassman, let alone a fourth year, would live in that dorm.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Somewhat off-topic, but my DS is a first year at UVA. With the news about the shooter’s multiple guns in his room and what the University knew about him before Sunday, my DS is feeling enraged at the University administration. He wants to mourn these students but not feel that about his college.

I'm not sure how the university would know he had guns in his room. They were informed by someone not affiliated with the school that he purchased a gun and directly asked the roommate as well as the shooter, who both denied the presence of a gun. The person who told them he bought a gun had also not seen a gun. They can't just randomly search someone's housing on a comment that someone bought a gun. Not sure what your DS thinks the school could have done differently. He was notified just weeks ago that he was going to be disciplined, which who knows, may have pushed him over the edge.

+1 agree, being enraged at the university is a red flag and this young man should seek a professional to talk to. Being enraged at the shooter is appropriate but the university is misplaced. Quite honestly those kinds of unchecked emotions are what can lead to behavior like we all witnessed and with several of my kids at UVA it makes me uncomfortable.

I 100% completely disagree. I would be enraged at my school if I thought they didn't take threats seriously. I would be enraged if they wanted to tip-toe around someone because they felt it might invoke 'race allegations'. I would be enraged if they left it up to students to police threats like these. I would be enraged if I felt the University were lying and doing a cover-up and not being transparent.

This kid has a right to feel very angry at the university, the shooter and the circumstances.

Except tgst we don’t have enough facts yet to justify enragememt at anything yet. Calm down and let the special counsel investigate. You don’t know anything about the shooting, the motivation, or what the two survivors know yet. Even the University is trying to find out what happened (there are 26,000 students and 4,000 academics). We know nothing

Even if UVa had expelled the shooter, he still could have come back on its campus to shoot football players. Unfortunate, but it should make students feel less angst toward UVa.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well hopefully any issues are learned from and addressed. As noted earlier in this thread, they cannot be liable for damages of more than $100K per plaintiff so for those of you who think this will be the end of UVA (as noted earlier in this thread) that is simply not the case. Also, check status of what happened at Tech for comparison. Any institutional weaknesses will be identified I am sure.

Also any judgment is paid out of insurance and reinsurance funds, not endowment