School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.

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Have you tried to get a child help in the last 2 years? Have you tried to find a therapist for anyone in the last two years? It is damn near impossible. We have been on waiting lists upon waiting lists for my child.
I don't disagree that he should of gotten help but we have no idea what action they tried to take or what they knew prior to one week ago when they were first made aware of the situation. And yes, they should have locked the gun or gotten rid of it.

I hear you pp It can be near impossible to get a child help even when you have money and good insurance--I can't imagine what it's like when you are "dirt poor!"
The parents met with school admin the same day--I'm wondering what admin actually said about what these "poor" parents could do to get the kid help? Did they have a psychiatric hospital to recommend (that was actually able to accept new patients? And that these "dirt poor" parents could afford?)

If you know that your child has issues that need to be addressed, you should not have a plethora of guns within easy reach. I wish that we would start charging parents for negligence with gun storage. I know that we won't because "gun rights" trump just about everything else but it is what a sane country would do.

The GOP's America folks. You're looking at it.

PP you quoted here.
I agree. I don't think anyone should do that even if their kid doesn't have issues.

I still think rather than admin just tellling "dirt poor" parents "you need to do something about your kid", parents need to be given real resources and treatment options.

I have a teen son who had depression in high school. Finding therapy for him was stressful and bordering on traumatic. Our insurance (which is touted as one of the best out there) gave us a massive list of providers literally within a 2.5 hour radius of our house. The vast majority of them (when we called) told us they do not see anyone under the age of 18. The few that did see minors, were not taking new patients. There was ONE--ONE! That would see minors and was taking new patients, and they couldn't fit him in the schedule for six weeks!
A few weeks ago the subject of therapy actually came up on the teen board and a poster talked about how the OP should have her child look at the different provider's profiles to see which they would click with best and I just shook my head. Imagine actually having a choice and getting to choose one that you think would work best--instead of just resorting to the ONLY option available!

My son wasn't violent/homicidal, this was just about stuff within himself--but the search for therapy would not have gone any different even if my son was.

Anyway, like I said, I just would like to know exactly what type of resources and options the parents were given during this meeting.

Beung himocidal or suicidal is a medical emergency and anyone with a child in those circumstances should go to the emergency room where they are obligated to treat. I agree that outpatient follow up is a terrible slog to find sometimes but after inpt stays they are obligated to not discharge till there is an appropriate follow up plan.

I’m not minimizing how hard it can be to get good care long term but some people are acting like it’s literally not possible to get urgent psychiatric care and that’s flatly wrong and terrible to tell people who may throw there hands up out of hopelessness. If your child is a danger to themselves or others go to the ER each and every time.

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Anonymous wrote:In Europe we had academically selective schools where you take an IQ test age 11 and if you're bright you go to the learning school and if you're not you go to the other school for messing about. That stops a lot of those negative interactions between kids who are just there to mess around (or worse) and kids trying to learn. While American public schools have no vetting process whatsoever. You might have raised a functional and smart child in a ideal environment, but once you sent them to public school you expose them to an ethos of bullies, future criminals, children of single moms, children on drugs, lunatic teachers, apathetic administration, and so forth.

Yes. This is the correct approach for the public schools.

In Germany, we actually have 3 levels of state schools. This is why the university is cost-free; only those students of high abilities should be in the university.

The other students receive an education appropriate for their intelligence/skill level, to prepare them for a job appropriate for them.

In this way, we avoid so many of the social problems you have here in America.

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Anonymous wrote:In Europe we had academically selective schools where you take an IQ test age 11 and if you're bright you go to the learning school and if you're not you go to the other school for messing about. That stops a lot of those negative interactions between kids who are just there to mess around (or worse) and kids trying to learn. While American public schools have no vetting process whatsoever. You might have raised a functional and smart child in a ideal environment, but once you sent them to public school you expose them to an ethos of bullies, future criminals, children of single moms, children on drugs, lunatic teachers, apathetic administration, and so forth.

Wow. So at age 11 the government decides whether you are "worthy" or just a throwaway? So progressive.

Please tell me of the school shootings in Europe or stabbings by students. Seems to be going ok comparatively.

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Nothing will ever change in American schools. It's why the rich and political elite all send their kids to private; efforts to change public schools are a futile pursuit.

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Anonymous wrote:Oxford High School
Students: 1,872
Free/discounted lunch: 24.1%
White: 82.7%
Hispanic: 9.9%
African American: 2.8%
Average SAT: 1,010
College readiness rate: 40%

https://www.schooldigger.com/go/MI/schools/2724006338/school.aspx

What’s your point?

Merely providing insights of a school that's over 500 miles away. If you forced my hand to make a point, it'd be that it's a caliber of high school the bourgeoisie on DCUM move heaven and earth to avoid.

I grew up in Oxford. Moved away when I was 26. It’s similar to Ashburn, VA. Quiet, peaceful, we lived by a lake and too family walks in the summer evenings. Neighborhood had block parties, etc. It was an ideal place.

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Anonymous wrote:It has nothing to do with his parents income or the value of their house -- it's clear as day his face lacks symmetry, his ears are on the large side, and he's underdeveloped for his grade/age. And clearly he hasn't had a haircut in months -- and hasn't showered in many days.

Wtf does the size of his ears have to do with anything? And how do you know he’s underdeveloped for his grade? You people are nuts. The only thing that would make me think FAS are his wide set eyes. Otherwise, he has no other characteristics of it.

Listen, this kid is clearly a monster. But all you internet diagnosticians are off your rockers.

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Anonymous wrote:In Europe we had academically selective schools where you take an IQ test age 11 and if you're bright you go to the learning school and if you're not you go to the other school for messing about. That stops a lot of those negative interactions between kids who are just there to mess around (or worse) and kids trying to learn. While American public schools have no vetting process whatsoever. You might have raised a functional and smart child in a ideal environment, but once you sent them to public school you expose them to an ethos of bullies, future criminals, children of single moms, children on drugs, lunatic teachers, apathetic administration, and so forth.

Wow. So at age 11 the government decides whether you are "worthy" or just a throwaway? So progressive.

IKR?! That’s pretty horrific.

Really? Sounds pretty smart to me. Then again “progressive” isn’t something I strive to be.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In Europe we had academically selective schools where you take an IQ test age 11 and if you're bright you go to the learning school and if you're not you go to the other school for messing about. That stops a lot of those negative interactions between kids who are just there to mess around (or worse) and kids trying to learn. While American public schools have no vetting process whatsoever. You might have raised a functional and smart child in a ideal environment, but once you sent them to public school you expose them to an ethos of bullies, future criminals, children of single moms, children on drugs, lunatic teachers, apathetic administration, and so forth.

Wow. So at age 11 the government decides whether you are "worthy" or just a throwaway? So progressive.

Please tell me of the school shootings in Europe or stabbings by students. Seems to be going ok comparatively.

Why would I tell you about schools in Europe?

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Anonymous wrote:Oxford High School
Students: 1,872
Free/discounted lunch: 24.1%
White: 82.7%
Hispanic: 9.9%
African American: 2.8%
Average SAT: 1,010
College readiness rate: 40%

https://www.schooldigger.com/go/MI/schools/2724006338/school.aspx

What’s your point?

Merely providing insights of a school that's over 500 miles away. If you forced my hand to make a point, it'd be that it's a caliber of high school the bourgeoisie on DCUM move heaven and earth to avoid.

Look. STOP. This happens in affluent areas: Parkland (very affluent), Columbine, Sandy Hook as well as less affluent areas.

I know it's a tactic people use to get a false sense of security that it could never happen at their child's school. It's just not true.

The sooner you face reality. The better you will be.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-01/all-kinds-of-u-s-communities-have-suffered-mass-shootings

The upshot of Adler’s analysis: The places that suffer mass shootings run the full gamut of American communities. Some are small, affluent, white suburbs. But the reality is that these tragedies occur in large cities and small towns; in rich, poor, and middle-class places; and in racially mixed as well as predominantly white communities.

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Anonymous wrote:It's the guns-- it's really difficult to know what is going on in these kids' heads-- mental health issues, psychopathy, set off by something in their environment...
My teen DS had a friend who struggled with anxiety, depression, bullying, social skills issues, etc. His dad posted on FB that he was going to take his son out for some target practice because he wanted this kid to learn gun safety. That was immediately the end of the friendship--and our DS was never allowed to hang out at their house again. That kid shouldn't be within 10 miles of a gun. There's no limit to how stupid some parents are.

And the types of video games these kids play are disturbing. They don't value human life. They see it like they see it when they are playing shooter video games. It's not reality. Don't see the person and their families in front of them, just a hologram.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oxford High School
Students: 1,872
Free/discounted lunch: 24.1%
White: 82.7%
Hispanic: 9.9%
African American: 2.8%
Average SAT: 1,010
College readiness rate: 40%

https://www.schooldigger.com/go/MI/schools/2724006338/school.aspx

What’s your point?

Merely providing insights of a school that's over 500 miles away. If you forced my hand to make a point, it'd be that it's a caliber of high school the bourgeoisie on DCUM move heaven and earth to avoid.

Look. STOP. This happens in affluent areas: Parkland (very affluent), Columbine, Sandy Hook as well as less affluent areas.

I know it's a tactic people use to get a false sense of security that it could never happen at their child's school. It's just not true.

The sooner you face reality. The better you will be.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-01/all-kinds-of-u-s-communities-have-suffered-mass-shootings

The upshot of Adler’s analysis: The places that suffer mass shootings run the full gamut of American communities. Some are small, affluent, white suburbs. But the reality is that these tragedies occur in large cities and small towns; in rich, poor, and middle-class places; and in racially mixed as well as predominantly white communities.

I went to VA Tech. If you asked me in 1992 if I ever thought there would be a mass shooting by a student on my idyllic campus, I would have thought you were nuts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In Europe we had academically selective schools where you take an IQ test age 11 and if you're bright you go to the learning school and if you're not you go to the other school for messing about. That stops a lot of those negative interactions between kids who are just there to mess around (or worse) and kids trying to learn. While American public schools have no vetting process whatsoever. You might have raised a functional and smart child in a ideal environment, but once you sent them to public school you expose them to an ethos of bullies, future criminals, children of single moms, children on drugs, lunatic teachers, apathetic administration, and so forth.

Wow. So at age 11 the government decides whether you are "worthy" or just a throwaway? So progressive.

Please tell me of the school shootings in Europe or stabbings by students. Seems to be going ok comparatively.

DP. Yes, I'm sure you're right. The lack of school shootings in Europe is clearly the result of separating kids based on their intelligence level rather than, say, gun control. With those critical thinking skill, should I assume you were counseled away from the "learning" school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oxford High School
Students: 1,872
Free/discounted lunch: 24.1%
White: 82.7%
Hispanic: 9.9%
African American: 2.8%
Average SAT: 1,010
College readiness rate: 40%

https://www.schooldigger.com/go/MI/schools/2724006338/school.aspx

What’s your point?

Merely providing insights of a school that's over 500 miles away. If you forced my hand to make a point, it'd be that it's a caliber of high school the bourgeoisie on DCUM move heaven and earth to avoid.

I grew up in Oxford. Moved away when I was 26. It’s similar to Ashburn, VA. Quiet, peaceful, we lived by a lake and too family walks in the summer evenings. Neighborhood had block parties, etc. It was an ideal place.

It's not an ideal school vis a vis what the bourgeoisie on DCUM desire. Average stats (i.e. mediocre), crowded, and podunk. I'm not even sure it's wealthier and posher neighbor to the south, Rochester Adams High School, would be considered ideal for the strivers on here -- and that's arguably the best public high school in the state.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's the guns-- it's really difficult to know what is going on in these kids' heads-- mental health issues, psychopathy, set off by something in their environment...
My teen DS had a friend who struggled with anxiety, depression, bullying, social skills issues, etc. His dad posted on FB that he was going to take his son out for some target practice because he wanted this kid to learn gun safety. That was immediately the end of the friendship--and our DS was never allowed to hang out at their house again. That kid shouldn't be within 10 miles of a gun. There's no limit to how stupid some parents are.

And the types of video games these kids play are disturbing. They don't value human life. They see it like they see it when they are playing shooter video games. It's not reality. Don't see the person and their families in front of them, just a hologram.

+1. The kid appeared to have been addicted to video games for the last 10 years, including Call of Duty, a graphic and very realistic shooter game played online.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oxford High School
Students: 1,872
Free/discounted lunch: 24.1%
White: 82.7%
Hispanic: 9.9%
African American: 2.8%
Average SAT: 1,010
College readiness rate: 40%

https://www.schooldigger.com/go/MI/schools/2724006338/school.aspx

What’s your point?

Merely providing insights of a school that's over 500 miles away. If you forced my hand to make a point, it'd be that it's a caliber of high school the bourgeoisie on DCUM move heaven and earth to avoid.

I grew up in Oxford. Moved away when I was 26. It’s similar to Ashburn, VA. Quiet, peaceful, we lived by a lake and too family walks in the summer evenings. Neighborhood had block parties, etc. It was an ideal place.

It's not an ideal school vis a vis what the bourgeoisie on DCUM desire. Average stats (i.e. mediocre), crowded, and podunk. I'm not even sure it's wealthier and posher neighbor to the south, Rochester Adams High School, would be considered ideal for the strivers on here -- and that's arguably the best public high school in the state.

NP. First, you sound exactly like every other "bourgeoise" striver on DCUM. "Podunk?" You're making generalizations based on stats with zero context and zero first-hand knowledge. Second, WTF does any of this matter? It makes no difference whether families from a completely different part of the country would send their kids to this school, unless you're trying to convince yourself that this wouldn't happen to a school that the DCUM crowd would find acceptable. Sadly, we have enough actual evidence based on all the school shootings to date to know that they can and do happen anywhere.