UVA mass shooting

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Anonymous wrote:Virginia has a state law that caps lawsuit awards against the Commonwealth at $100k.

Really? But personal lawsuits have no cap. How wonderful of them.

Yes they do. The commonwealth has damage caps.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m o UVA grad and while I believe in the honor system, I would MUCH rather those resources go to addressing behavioral issues like what seems to have been the case with the shooter than worrying about if someone cheated on a test.

I'm a UVA grad here and I have always been troubled by UVA's student run honor system. Professionals should be handling this sort of thing, which includes getting students the help and resources they need.

It was being referred to Judiciary -- this is not an Honor issue (which covers lying, cheating, stealing).

that's also student run at UVA

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m o UVA grad and while I believe in the honor system, I would MUCH rather those resources go to addressing behavioral issues like what seems to have been the case with the shooter than worrying about if someone cheated on a test.

I'm a UVA grad here and I have always been troubled by UVA's student run honor system. Professionals should be handling this sort of thing, which includes getting students the help and resources they need.

It was being referred to Judiciary -- this is not an Honor issue (which covers lying, cheating, stealing).

+1 Sure way to know someone is lying about being a student or an alum is to see them not know the difference between honor and judicial matters. The PPs who are talking about this being a matter for Honor Council obviously didn't go to UVA. No one who went there would get that wrong.

I’m not the PP, but 100% a UVA alum (and current employee!), who couldn’t tell you the difference between honor and judicial matters without having to look it up. But we’re all so impressed by you.

I'm a UVA alum who was involved as a witness in a judiciary matter, and no I can't tell you the ins and outs of which matters go to judiciary vs honor from a school I attended 2 decades ago. Please.

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Anonymous wrote:He purchased 2 guns legally after his prohibition of buying firearms was removed.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/17/us/university-of-virginia-shooting-thursday/index.html

Should’ve been prosecuted for the attempted unlawful purchases, despite background checks having prevented him from taking possession. Why wasn’t he?

Well if you had bothered to read the CNN article you would have learned that the sales and transfers of gun never happened so no reporting was required to the state.

Well, if you’d bothered to read the US Code and relevant CFR, you’d know that the mere attempt by a prohibited person to obtain a firearm is a criminal offense.

Not sure why these people continue to try and play gotcha when they don't know what they're talking about.

+1. And it depends upon state law.

[Anonymous]

From the WaPo - “Throughout the investigation, Mr. Jones repeatedly refused to cooperate with University officials who were seeking additional information about the claims that he had a firearm and about his failure to disclose the previous misdemeanor conviction,” U-Va. spokesman Brian Coy said in a statement Monday. “Accordingly, on Oct. 27, the Threat Assessment Team escalated his case for disciplinary action.”

On Tuesday, Coy revised that account. Through an inadvertent mistake, he said, the university had not made a formal referral for action in October to a student-run disciplinary panel called the University Judiciary Committee. It did make that referral Tuesday, he said. But Coy said the university also sent an email to Jones on Oct. 26 that warned him of imminent disciplinary action and urged him to talk with the university. Coy emphasized that disciplinary proceedings must respect due process and can customarily take weeks or months.

[Anonymous]

Somewhat off-topic, but my DS is a first year at UVA. With the news about the shooter’s multiple guns in his room and what the University knew about him before Sunday, my DS is feeling enraged at the University administration. He wants to mourn these students but not feel that about his college.

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Anonymous wrote:Somewhat off-topic, but my DS is a first year at UVA. With the news about the shooter’s multiple guns in his room and what the University knew about him before Sunday, my DS is feeling enraged at the University administration. He wants to mourn these students but not feel that about his college.

He could start by attending the memorial service Saturday

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Somewhat off-topic, but my DS is a first year at UVA. With the news about the shooter’s multiple guns in his room and what the University knew about him before Sunday, my DS is feeling enraged at the University administration. He wants to mourn these students but not feel that about his college.

Recommend you find a therapist immediately.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Somewhat off-topic, but my DS is a first year at UVA. With the news about the shooter’s multiple guns in his room and what the University knew about him before Sunday, my DS is feeling enraged at the University administration. He wants to mourn these students but not feel that about his college.

I'm not sure how the university would know he had guns in his room. They were informed by someone not affiliated with the school that he purchased a gun and directly asked the roommate as well as the shooter, who both denied the presence of a gun. The person who told them he bought a gun had also not seen a gun. They can't just randomly search someone's housing on a comment that someone bought a gun. Not sure what your DS thinks the school could have done differently. He was notified just weeks ago that he was going to be disciplined, which who knows, may have pushed him over the edge.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Somewhat off-topic, but my DS is a first year at UVA. With the news about the shooter’s multiple guns in his room and what the University knew about him before Sunday, my DS is feeling enraged at the University administration. He wants to mourn these students but not feel that about his college.

I'm not sure how the university would know he had guns in his room. They were informed by someone not affiliated with the school that he purchased a gun and directly asked the roommate as well as the shooter, who both denied the presence of a gun. The person who told them he bought a gun had also not seen a gun. They can't just randomly search someone's housing on a comment that someone bought a gun. Not sure what your DS thinks the school could have done differently. He was notified just weeks ago that he was going to be disciplined, which who knows, may have pushed him over the edge.

+1 agree, being enraged at the university is a red flag and this young man should seek a professional to talk to. Being enraged at the shooter is appropriate but the university is misplaced. Quite honestly those kinds of unchecked emotions are what can lead to behavior like we all witnessed and with several of my kids at UVA it makes me uncomfortable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Somewhat off-topic, but my DS is a first year at UVA. With the news about the shooter’s multiple guns in his room and what the University knew about him before Sunday, my DS is feeling enraged at the University administration. He wants to mourn these students but not feel that about his college.

I'm not sure how the university would know he had guns in his room. They were informed by someone not affiliated with the school that he purchased a gun and directly asked the roommate as well as the shooter, who both denied the presence of a gun. The person who told them he bought a gun had also not seen a gun. They can't just randomly search someone's housing on a comment that someone bought a gun. Not sure what your DS thinks the school could have done differently. He was notified just weeks ago that he was going to be disciplined, which who knows, may have pushed him over the edge.

+1 agree, being enraged at the university is a red flag and this young man should seek a professional to talk to. Being enraged at the shooter is appropriate but the university is misplaced. Quite honestly those kinds of unchecked emotions are what can lead to behavior like we all witnessed and with several of my kids at UVA it makes me uncomfortable.

I 100% completely disagree. I would be enraged at my school if I thought they didn't take threats seriously. I would be enraged if they wanted to tip-toe around someone because they felt it might invoke 'race allegations'. I would be enraged if they left it up to students to police threats like these. I would be enraged if I felt the University were lying and doing a cover-up and not being transparent.

This kid has a right to feel very angry at the university, the shooter and the circumstances.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Somewhat off-topic, but my DS is a first year at UVA. With the news about the shooter’s multiple guns in his room and what the University knew about him before Sunday, my DS is feeling enraged at the University administration. He wants to mourn these students but not feel that about his college.

I'm not sure how the university would know he had guns in his room. They were informed by someone not affiliated with the school that he purchased a gun and directly asked the roommate as well as the shooter, who both denied the presence of a gun. The person who told them he bought a gun had also not seen a gun. They can't just randomly search someone's housing on a comment that someone bought a gun. Not sure what your DS thinks the school could have done differently. He was notified just weeks ago that he was going to be disciplined, which who knows, may have pushed him over the edge.

+1 agree, being enraged at the university is a red flag and this young man should seek a professional to talk to. Being enraged at the shooter is appropriate but the university is misplaced. Quite honestly those kinds of unchecked emotions are what can lead to behavior like we all witnessed and with several of my kids at UVA it makes me uncomfortable.

I 100% completely disagree. I would be enraged at my school if I thought they didn't take threats seriously. I would be enraged if they wanted to tip-toe around someone because they felt it might invoke 'race allegations'. I would be enraged if they left it up to students to police threats like these. I would be enraged if I felt the University were lying and doing a cover-up and not being transparent.

This kid has a right to feel very angry at the university, the shooter and the circumstances.

A simple follow-up would have revealed the shooter's recent trouble with the law and his gun violations. Given the seriousness of school shootings, any university that didn't do at least a simple background investigation I would find fault with.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Somewhat off-topic, but my DS is a first year at UVA. With the news about the shooter’s multiple guns in his room and what the University knew about him before Sunday, my DS is feeling enraged at the University administration. He wants to mourn these students but not feel that about his college.

I'm not sure how the university would know he had guns in his room. They were informed by someone not affiliated with the school that he purchased a gun and directly asked the roommate as well as the shooter, who both denied the presence of a gun. The person who told them he bought a gun had also not seen a gun. They can't just randomly search someone's housing on a comment that someone bought a gun. Not sure what your DS thinks the school could have done differently. He was notified just weeks ago that he was going to be disciplined, which who knows, may have pushed him over the edge.

I am pretty sure that the school can search a room if they suspect something dangerous or illegal, or of course they can call the police. This kid already had lied about a gun charge, and failed a gun background check twice.

Not sure why so many people are acting like he is some innocent lamb who deserved a second chance. The people he shot were the innocent lambs...to the slaughter.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Somewhat off-topic, but my DS is a first year at UVA. With the news about the shooter’s multiple guns in his room and what the University knew about him before Sunday, my DS is feeling enraged at the University administration. He wants to mourn these students but not feel that about his college.

I'm not sure how the university would know he had guns in his room. They were informed by someone not affiliated with the school that he purchased a gun and directly asked the roommate as well as the shooter, who both denied the presence of a gun. The person who told them he bought a gun had also not seen a gun. They can't just randomly search someone's housing on a comment that someone bought a gun. Not sure what your DS thinks the school could have done differently. He was notified just weeks ago that he was going to be disciplined, which who knows, may have pushed him over the edge.

I am pretty sure that the school can search a room if they suspect something dangerous or illegal, or of course they can call the police. This kid already had lied about a gun charge, and failed a gun background check twice.

Not sure why so many people are acting like he is some innocent lamb who deserved a second chance. The people he shot were the innocent lambs...to the slaughter.

So you think just someone who is not associated with the school saying he owns a gun is enough to search his room? And no, UVA is not doing background checks on all of their students on a rolling basis. I personally think it will come out that the school did what it could to prevent it (though who knows really), this is a mentally ill man who bought a gun legally. Unfortunately until we do more to tighten gun laws, this is going to continue to happen.

I get the PP's kids anger, I have two kids at UVA. One is PISSED. He is pissed about the politics of gun reform and he is pissed at the inaction of politicians. My DD is asleep in her room, nearly in tears all the time. Just sad. Kids react differently so I definitely feel for the PP's student, but we really don't know alot about what the school could or could not have done to prevent this so I would encourage him to go to the memorial tomorrow and try to process this senseless act with his community and family.

[Anonymous]

I don't see him as an "innocent lamb" at all, I see him as a mentally ill man.