Girls, 13 and 15, Charged With Murder After Armed Carjacking Near Nationals Park

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile, the GoFundMe for Mr. Anwar has gone viral and has way exceeded the $100,000 goal originally set. The total was at around $380,000 when I donated this morning and already it has jumped to over $400,000. I hope the funds raised ensure this family will never have to worry about money again. It won't bring him back, but it will replace his lost wages (apparently he was the family breadwinner) and then some.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-the-anwars-find-peace

It’s getting a lot of run in conservative social media because of the perpetrators and CNN’s botched description - there’s quite a bit of red hat money pouring in.

Personally, I don't care about the source of the money. Mr. Anwar's family needs it and deserves it. This is not the time to play politics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I sincerely don't believe people like this can be rehabilitated. If at 13/15 you don't understand what you're doing is wrong, then something in your nature is broken. You don't need parenting or a happy childhood to tell you that stealing, being violent, and playing with another person's life is reprehensible. You either have inherent values, or you don't.

+1
We need to get over this idea that these "poor children" can all be saved and straightened out. The ones that can be reached, fantastic. The rest, well, good luck to them... And anybody who has to/wants to deal with them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile, the GoFundMe for Mr. Anwar has gone viral and has way exceeded the $100,000 goal originally set. The total was at around $380,000 when I donated this morning and already it has jumped to over $400,000. I hope the funds raised ensure this family will never have to worry about money again. It won't bring him back, but it will replace his lost wages (apparently he was the family breadwinner) and then some.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-the-anwars-find-peace

It’s getting a lot of run in conservative social media because of the perpetrators and CNN’s botched description - there’s quite a bit of red hat money pouring in.

Personally, I don't care about the source of the money. Mr. Anwar's family needs it and deserves it. This is not the time to play politics.

Conservatives are generally very generous to real victims. And, Mr. Anwar's family are victims of this heinous crime.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I sincerely don't believe people like this can be rehabilitated. If at 13/15 you don't understand what you're doing is wrong, then something in your nature is broken. You don't need parenting or a happy childhood to tell you that stealing, being violent, and playing with another person's life is reprehensible. You either have inherent values, or you don't.

+1
We need to get over this idea that these "poor children" can all be saved and straightened out. The ones that can be reached, fantastic. The rest, well, good luck to them... And anybody who has to/wants to deal with them.

Seriously. It’s so condescending to assume that these kids didn’t know better. Of course they do, they just don’t care.
There’s thousands of teenagers who are homeless, suffering from mental health / drug issues and come from lower income homes. Most don’t pull this kind of bullshit. Stop expecting so little of people. Your pity just makes it worse.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I sincerely don't believe people like this can be rehabilitated. If at 13/15 you don't understand what you're doing is wrong, then something in your nature is broken. You don't need parenting or a happy childhood to tell you that stealing, being violent, and playing with another person's life is reprehensible. You either have inherent values, or you don't.

+1
We need to get over this idea that these "poor children" can all be saved and straightened out. The ones that can be reached, fantastic. The rest, well, good luck to them... And anybody who has to/wants to deal with them.

+1 agree

There has to be a level of personal responsibility in order for any level of help/support/outreach/program to work.

Again, NOT saying to throw troubled persons or children’s to the wolves, but saying that we cannot as individuals or society devote ourselves to “saving” people who will not take personal responsibility for their actions.

Teenagers have a mind and conscience. These teenagers chose to go and steal a car AND bring with them a taser! That is pre-mediated intent to use.

My gosh imagine if this were your husband/father or your child who this happened to or committed this.

As your own child you know in your gut that he/she must face heavy consequences to restore integrity as a trust worthy member of society. This is obviously delicate to contend with but it is the only way forward and to true personal freedom.

[Anonymous]

In the video, after the crash and the girls are helped out of the car by National Guard troops, one of them keeps yelling that she needs help getting her cell phone out of the car because the phone is still inside the sideways, wrecked car while the victim is laying motionless next to her. He was dragged from start to finish. Not a single person in the video even goes up to his body to see if he’s alive.

OMFG. Just when I think society can’t get worse, it does. This is beyond depressing.

She had just killed someone and was worried about her phone.

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Anonymous wrote:This whole thing is seriously sad. A 13 or 15yo is so Immature. They do not think!!! They had the short sighted goal of having fun with bragging rights of stealing a car, and a man was MURDERED for their foolishness!

They definitely should be punished! Problem is, even as a felony Manslaughter they will not get more than 30 years. And after those 30 years they will still have half a life left and still be of child bearing age, and because of their circumstances be associated with other felons.... as friends, family, etc. Having been incarcerated over the previous 30 years, including their formative early adult years, they would likely not be prepared (or able) to be good parents to their likely delinquent offspring. And the cycle continues!

But , if we let them “off” with lighter sentence, the result won’t be much better.

But they DID think. They thought to get a taser weapon. They heard an older gentleman and saw him hanging onto the car. That's not the same as a true accident or a teen being impulsive or over correcting when driving on the hwy. I've worked with a lot of kids from impoverished backgrounds and drug or alcohol addicted parents. I do not think the behavior of these teens represents just "not thinking." [b]

So what do you think the behavior represents? Please say the quiet part out loud.

PP here. Not sure what you want me to say. I think their behavior shows they planned a carjacking.

They are a conservative trying to get you to say this is a hate crime against an elderly man even though most conservatives refuse to acknowledge the Atlanta shootings as a hate crime. I guess they figured they can't sell it as a hate crime against a South Asian so they are trying for an 'ageist' hate crime.

Seniors are often targeted for crimes, especially fraud but it's never been prosecuted as a federal hate crime.

Hear that? It is the sound of goalposts being moved

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There is no fixing callousness this deep- a girl complaining about her cell phone still inside a flipped, stolen car with a man she just killed a few feet away.

And people wonder why it’s hard to get an Uber in certain neighborhoods, why people cross the street when they see a a person/group approaching, why teachers are hard to get in DC and even harder to retain. It isn’t racism, it’s removing yourself from a situation where it’s possible to get killed by two teens and then having the mayor of DC essentially victim blame you on Twitter and strangers on DCUM talk about those “poor girls.”

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Omg that video, his poor family.

I saw 3 juvenile females tase a women while attempting to snatch her purse from her a few months back a few miles from where this crime occurred. I gave a witness statement to the cops, and the cops said something to the effect of since the perpetrators were juveniles, even if the cops found the teens, they would be back out on the streets soon due to how the DC courts treat juveniles Can’t help but wonder if the teens I witnessed tasing the women are the same ones involved in this murder, and if this could have been prevented had they been locked up after that crime.

[Anonymous]

Perhaps our juvenile court system needs a major overhaul. These crimes are horrible.
Geez - at age 13 I was still learning about the birds and the bees.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Perhaps our juvenile court system needs a major overhaul. These crimes are horrible.
Geez - at age 13 I was still learning about the birds and the bees.

Safe bet neither gal spends more than a few years in juvi, if that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Perhaps our juvenile court system needs a major overhaul. These crimes are horrible.
Geez - at age 13 I was still learning about the birds and the bees.

It’s not just the court system, it’s Karl Racine too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Perhaps our juvenile court system needs a major overhaul. These crimes are horrible.
Geez - at age 13 I was still learning about the birds and the bees.

The 13 yr old is the one who started the car, and pushed down on the gas pedal. She’s also the one who asks for her phone after the crash. I have a 13 yr old daughter. It blows my mind.

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Anonymous wrote:This is pretty clearly second degree murder; it’s not a felony murder scenario, and it’s not vehicular manslaughter. It’s depraved indifference to great risk to human life. It also doesn’t matter what they are charged with, my understanding of DC law is that no material prison sentences are possible given their ages. They will be out by their mid-20s, if that, because they can be “rehabilitated.” I certainly hope that is not the case, but fear it is.

why is it not felony murder? I think DC defines 1st degree murder to include any death in the comission of a kidnaping or theft.

The PP clearly does not practice criminal law in DC. This is textbook felony murder in the District. They were committing an armed carjacking (a felony) and this man was killed during the course of that offense. It does not matter that they didn’t intend for him to die, they intended to commit an armed carjacking and if someone dies during the course of that armed carjacking you are on the hook for felony murder. It’s not even a close call. Becuase this is DC they cannot be charged as adults and so the most they can get is a commitment to DCs juvenile justice agency until they are 21. They doesn’t mean they will be locked up until 21, only that the agency makes the decisions about what to do with them until they are 21.

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Anonymous wrote:Please people, just hand over your car and run away.

How do you know the man didn't try to do this? The two children who murdered him were not old enough to drive and almost certainly did not know how to properly operate a car.

Stop blaming the victim.

+1000. How dare you try to blame the victim, you horrible human being. Do you honestly think he had time to think logically? You are a really nasty person.