Is there or isn’t there a crisis on the border?

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Anonymous wrote:I realize that migrants can legally claim asylum the minute they touch U.S. soil. Which begs the question, why isn't there something - a BARRIER, perhaps?? - to prevent them from touching U.S. soil in the first place? They should have to wait on the Mexico side, not the U.S. side, where they're simply released into our country after a cursory interview. Absurd.

Because it's virtually impossible to build said barrier directly ON the border. They cross into US territory before they even reach the barrier. Sorry but that is how it works.

How does Israel get to have barriers that are Effective?

Why don't you ask them?

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Anonymous wrote:DP- my neighborhood school is 65% low income and ESOL, mostly Hispanic. They can’t all be the children of corporate employees or have been here for x generations.
It does look like an invasion, neighborhood families (the ones who have been here for many years in fact) rarely send their kids to this school.

How exactly does it "look like an invasion"?

Middle class families don’t find the teaching rigorous enough. Tons of time spent on discipline and remedial instruction. Very few afterschool activities because nobody wants to organize them and/or pay for them.
Basically, this school now “belongs” to low income ESOL students. They are the focus.

OMGERD!! PEOPLE SEND THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL!!! PANIC!!!

Their kids need free lunches, therapy, remedial instruction, ESOL services, free aftercare, free enrichment.
Guess what, kids who come from generational poverty and are US citizens, and descendants of slaves, need it all, too!
And guess what, middle class kids of citizens and LEGAL immigrants need enrichment (which they cannot get because the school leadership refuses to invite vendors unless they accommodate free lunch kids).

Middle class kids need quality instruction, and more than a handful of parents volunteering for more than a handful of events.

They also need teachers who are not stretched thin.

This is why people move to the outer burbs - or other counties farther out. And yes, teachers are stretched thin and are no good to themselves or others at that point. I saw the changes in the classroom, and I saw the impact on my own children's education. If you ignore these issues, they only grow, and that's what the impacted counties are doing - ignoring the issues at the expense of the kids (native born and children of naturalized citizens) who want to learn.

It sounds so ugly, but it's the truth. And for those of you who have no experience in the school system or with social programs, I'd LOVE to hear your solutions. I really would . . . as I'd love a good laugh.

Pay teachers more and increase budgets so there are more faculty. Part of the stretching thin is barebones staff as compared to the 1950's when America was supposedly great.

+1000

I see, your solution is to have American citizens pay even MORE taxes for people who are not citizens, pay very little if any in taxes and have broken the law to be here. Americans are responsible for educating their own kids, not Mexico's (and not Honduras or Guatemala) We can not be on the hook for paying for every illegal immigrant whose kids inftrate our schools.

My kids school in just 5 short years has shot up to 40% ESOL immigrant from less than 3%. The immigrants soak up a majority of resources and get extras the American citizen kids don't get (special ESOL field trips, extra support and tutoring in the classroom, etc) I volunteer and see it constantly. It is disgraceful. There is enough money already for the American kids, no need for more taxes and more burdens on Americans. It's our Sanctuary status and the influx of their kids that is breaking our schools.

Enough already, Libs. We see you.

You are just making shit up. I doubt you even have any kids in school.

NP. That all you got? Open your damn eyes and see how many illegal immigrants are here in the DMV!

I see immigrants working and paying taxes and contributing to the community. I see their kids going to school and preparing to do the same.

You seem to assume that every Latino is here illegally and is getting a free ride. You are bigots.

Sanctuary cities and counties say they are. No papers needed for school enrollment say they are.

That does not make any sense. Neither of those are evidence for your assumptions that all or almost all Latinos are undocumented and are living on government assistance. Neither of those things are true.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I realize that migrants can legally claim asylum the minute they touch U.S. soil. Which begs the question, why isn't there something - a BARRIER, perhaps?? - to prevent them from touching U.S. soil in the first place? They should have to wait on the Mexico side, not the U.S. side, where they're simply released into our country after a cursory interview. Absurd.

Because it's virtually impossible to build said barrier directly ON the border. They cross into US territory before they even reach the barrier. Sorry but that is how it works.

How does Israel get to have barriers that are Effective?

Why don't you ask them?

The U.S. is not Israel, obviously.

The reason we can't have a barrier on the Texas border is because the Rio Grande River is the border. We have a treaty from about 1970 that prevents either country from building any obstruction in the flood plain of the Rio Grande because, duh, that would cause massive flooding on the other side and create all sorts of environmental havoc on both sides. So even if Trump gets his wall, it has to be on the levee, leaving a stranded area of U.S. soil between the river and the levee wall. People who cross the river will already be in the USA when they present themselves at the wall to request asylum.

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Anonymous wrote:Progressive here - shut the border down.

What do you tell companies like GM and Catepillar who rely on cross border trade?

Auto OEM's need to suck it up and pass on the consumer costs. It'll be good - people will be buy less cars (or cheaper/smaller cars that they actually need) and therefore it'll be better for the environment.

Besides, next time auto giants plan to export American jobs, they will think twice.

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Anonymous wrote:I realize that migrants can legally claim asylum the minute they touch U.S. soil. Which begs the question, why isn't there something - a BARRIER, perhaps?? - to prevent them from touching U.S. soil in the first place? They should have to wait on the Mexico side, not the U.S. side, where they're simply released into our country after a cursory interview. Absurd.

Because it's virtually impossible to build said barrier directly ON the border. They cross into US territory before they even reach the barrier. Sorry but that is how it works.

I am pretty sure there is a strip of land along the border with a ''neutral'' status. Some countries with a difficult terrain have it. If i am not mistaken Afghanistan and Turkmenistan. Trespasser is apprehended by either side border troops.

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Anonymous wrote:DP- my neighborhood school is 65% low income and ESOL, mostly Hispanic. They can’t all be the children of corporate employees or have been here for x generations.
It does look like an invasion, neighborhood families (the ones who have been here for many years in fact) rarely send their kids to this school.

How exactly does it "look like an invasion"?

Middle class families don’t find the teaching rigorous enough. Tons of time spent on discipline and remedial instruction. Very few afterschool activities because nobody wants to organize them and/or pay for them.
Basically, this school now “belongs” to low income ESOL students. They are the focus.

OMGERD!! PEOPLE SEND THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL!!! PANIC!!!

Their kids need free lunches, therapy, remedial instruction, ESOL services, free aftercare, free enrichment.
Guess what, kids who come from generational poverty and are US citizens, and descendants of slaves, need it all, too!
And guess what, middle class kids of citizens and LEGAL immigrants need enrichment (which they cannot get because the school leadership refuses to invite vendors unless they accommodate free lunch kids).
Middle class kids need quality instruction, and more than a handful of parents volunteering for more than a handful of events.
They also need teachers who are not stretched thin.

Please don't feed childless lonely, and sick in the bathroom troll

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I realize that migrants can legally claim asylum the minute they touch U.S. soil. Which begs the question, why isn't there something - a BARRIER, perhaps?? - to prevent them from touching U.S. soil in the first place? They should have to wait on the Mexico side, not the U.S. side, where they're simply released into our country after a cursory interview. Absurd.

Because it's virtually impossible to build said barrier directly ON the border. They cross into US territory before they even reach the barrier. Sorry but that is how it works.

How does Israel get to have barriers that are Effective?

I think they shoot trespasses with rubber bullets and tear gas grenades. It's very effective.

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Anonymous wrote:DP- my neighborhood school is 65% low income and ESOL, mostly Hispanic. They can’t all be the children of corporate employees or have been here for x generations.
It does look like an invasion, neighborhood families (the ones who have been here for many years in fact) rarely send their kids to this school.

How exactly does it "look like an invasion"?

Middle class families don’t find the teaching rigorous enough. Tons of time spent on discipline and remedial instruction. Very few afterschool activities because nobody wants to organize them and/or pay for them.
Basically, this school now “belongs” to low income ESOL students. They are the focus.

OMGERD!! PEOPLE SEND THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL!!! PANIC!!!

Their kids need free lunches, therapy, remedial instruction, ESOL services, free aftercare, free enrichment.
Guess what, kids who come from generational poverty and are US citizens, and descendants of slaves, need it all, too!
And guess what, middle class kids of citizens and LEGAL immigrants need enrichment (which they cannot get because the school leadership refuses to invite vendors unless they accommodate free lunch kids).

Middle class kids need quality instruction, and more than a handful of parents volunteering for more than a handful of events.

They also need teachers who are not stretched thin.

This is why people move to the outer burbs - or other counties farther out. And yes, teachers are stretched thin and are no good to themselves or others at that point. I saw the changes in the classroom, and I saw the impact on my own children's education. If you ignore these issues, they only grow, and that's what the impacted counties are doing - ignoring the issues at the expense of the kids (native born and children of naturalized citizens) who want to learn.

It sounds so ugly, but it's the truth. And for those of you who have no experience in the school system or with social programs, I'd LOVE to hear your solutions. I really would . . . as I'd love a good laugh.

Pay teachers more and increase budgets so there are more faculty. Part of the stretching thin is barebones staff as compared to the 1950's when America was supposedly great.

+1000

I see, your solution is to have American citizens pay even MORE taxes for people who are not citizens, pay very little if any in taxes and have broken the law to be here. Americans are responsible for educating their own kids, not Mexico's (and not Honduras or Guatemala) We can not be on the hook for paying for every illegal immigrant whose kids inftrate our schools.

My kids school in just 5 short years has shot up to 40% ESOL immigrant from less than 3%. The immigrants soak up a majority of resources and get extras the American citizen kids don't get (special ESOL field trips, extra support and tutoring in the classroom, etc) I volunteer and see it constantly. It is disgraceful. There is enough money already for the American kids, no need for more taxes and more burdens on Americans. It's our Sanctuary status and the influx of their kids that is breaking our schools.

Enough already, Libs. We see you.

You are just making shit up. I doubt you even have any kids in school.

NP. That all you got? Open your damn eyes and see how many illegal immigrants are here in the DMV!

I see immigrants working and paying taxes and contributing to the community. I see their kids going to school and preparing to do the same.

You seem to assume that every Latino is here illegally and is getting a free ride. You are bigots.

Sanctuary cities and counties say they are. No papers needed for school enrollment say they are.

That does not make any sense. Neither of those are evidence for your assumptions that all or almost all Latinos are undocumented and are living on government assistance. Neither of those things are true.

+1

PP needs to lie, lie, and lie to fearmonger.

[Anonymous]

Well, Trump has walked back his threat to close the border, so I guess the crisis is over. Phew!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I live in a sanctuary city. No, you cannot enroll a child totally without papers. Liar liar.

DP

What? In MCPS you actually can.

Public schools are required to enroll anyone who shows up. We deal with this yearly at my kids’ school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I realize that migrants can legally claim asylum the minute they touch U.S. soil. Which begs the question, why isn't there something - a BARRIER, perhaps?? - to prevent them from touching U.S. soil in the first place? They should have to wait on the Mexico side, not the U.S. side, where they're simply released into our country after a cursory interview. Absurd.

Because it's virtually impossible to build said barrier directly ON the border. They cross into US territory before they even reach the barrier. Sorry but that is how it works.

How does Israel get to have barriers that are Effective?

Why don't you ask them?

Clearly none of you have actually thought through the actual logistics of building and maintaining a wall. Israel's barriers aren't *on* the border, either. They are set back from the border, to allow maintenance, et cetera. Otherwise they would have to ask Egypt and other neighbors to allow them to enter in order to maintain their barriers, and that would be an extremely poor plan. And as a result, you can cross the border and go a few feet into Israel and stand on Israeli land but be outside their barrier.

But what's important to remember is that while illegal immigrants / refugees / whatever may still be directly outside the fence, they have in fact made it to the US and are standing on US soil and that impacts asylum requests, et cetera.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I live in a sanctuary city. No, you cannot enroll a child totally without papers. Liar liar.

DP

What? In MCPS you actually can.

Public schools are required to enroll anyone who shows up. We deal with this yearly at my kids’ school.

Sounds like bullshit. They need paperwork.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live in a sanctuary city. No, you cannot enroll a child totally without papers. Liar liar.

DP

What? In MCPS you actually can.

Public schools are required to enroll anyone who shows up. We deal with this yearly at my kids’ school.

Sounds like bullshit. They need paperwork.

They do not have to be here legally. If they are here, they go to school. It is the law.

And, FWIW, they bring their papers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live in a sanctuary city. No, you cannot enroll a child totally without papers. Liar liar.

DP

What? In MCPS you actually can.

Public schools are required to enroll anyone who shows up. We deal with this yearly at my kids’ school.

Sounds like bullshit. They need paperwork.

They do not have to be here legally. If they are here, they go to school. It is the law.

And, FWIW, they bring their papers.

In FCPS, you can check membership growth through the year. At the schools with heavy Hispanic population, the growth since September is impressive. I checked one school today that had a growth since September of 27 kids. That is the equivalent of more than 1 classroom in a Title I school. One school. This is in Fairfax County--not El Paso.

Yes, this is a crisis. It is unsustainable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live in a sanctuary city. No, you cannot enroll a child totally without papers. Liar liar.

DP

What? In MCPS you actually can.

Public schools are required to enroll anyone who shows up. We deal with this yearly at my kids’ school.

Sounds like bullshit. They need paperwork.

They do not have to be here legally. If they are here, they go to school. It is the law.

And, FWIW, they bring their papers.

If only it was so easy for real Americans born here.