Is there or isn’t there a crisis on the border?

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Anonymous wrote:DP- my neighborhood school is 65% low income and ESOL, mostly Hispanic. They can’t all be the children of corporate employees or have been here for x generations.
It does look like an invasion, neighborhood families (the ones who have been here for many years in fact) rarely send their kids to this school.

How exactly does it "look like an invasion"?

Middle class families don’t find the teaching rigorous enough. Tons of time spent on discipline and remedial instruction. Very few afterschool activities because nobody wants to organize them and/or pay for them.
Basically, this school now “belongs” to low income ESOL students. They are the focus.

OMGERD!! PEOPLE SEND THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL!!! PANIC!!!

Their kids need free lunches, therapy, remedial instruction, ESOL services, free aftercare, free enrichment.
Guess what, kids who come from generational poverty and are US citizens, and descendants of slaves, need it all, too!
And guess what, middle class kids of citizens and LEGAL immigrants need enrichment (which they cannot get because the school leadership refuses to invite vendors unless they accommodate free lunch kids).

Middle class kids need quality instruction, and more than a handful of parents volunteering for more than a handful of events.

They also need teachers who are not stretched thin.

This is why people move to the outer burbs - or other counties farther out. And yes, teachers are stretched thin and are no good to themselves or others at that point. I saw the changes in the classroom, and I saw the impact on my own children's education. If you ignore these issues, they only grow, and that's what the impacted counties are doing - ignoring the issues at the expense of the kids (native born and children of naturalized citizens) who want to learn.

It sounds so ugly, but it's the truth. And for those of you who have no experience in the school system or with social programs, I'd LOVE to hear your solutions. I really would . . . as I'd love a good laugh.

Pay teachers more and increase budgets so there are more faculty. Part of the stretching thin is barebones staff as compared to the 1950's when America was supposedly great.

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I see, your solution is to have American citizens pay even MORE taxes for people who are not citizens, pay very little if any in taxes and have broken the law to be here. Americans are responsible for educating their own kids, not Mexico's (and not Honduras or Guatemala) We can not be on the hook for paying for every illegal immigrant whose kids inftrate our schools.

My kids school in just 5 short years has shot up to 40% ESOL immigrant from less than 3%. The immigrants soak up a majority of resources and get extras the American citizen kids don't get (special ESOL field trips, extra support and tutoring in the classroom, etc) I volunteer and see it constantly. It is disgraceful. There is enough money already for the American kids, no need for more taxes and more burdens on Americans. It's our Sanctuary status and the influx of their kids that is breaking our schools.

Enough already, Libs. We see you.

You are just making shit up. I doubt you even have any kids in school.

NP. That all you got? Open your damn eyes and see how many illegal immigrants are here in the DMV!

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Anonymous wrote:DP- my neighborhood school is 65% low income and ESOL, mostly Hispanic. They can’t all be the children of corporate employees or have been here for x generations.
It does look like an invasion, neighborhood families (the ones who have been here for many years in fact) rarely send their kids to this school.

How exactly does it "look like an invasion"?

Middle class families don’t find the teaching rigorous enough. Tons of time spent on discipline and remedial instruction. Very few afterschool activities because nobody wants to organize them and/or pay for them.
Basically, this school now “belongs” to low income ESOL students. They are the focus.

OMGERD!! PEOPLE SEND THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL!!! PANIC!!!

Their kids need free lunches, therapy, remedial instruction, ESOL services, free aftercare, free enrichment.
Guess what, kids who come from generational poverty and are US citizens, and descendants of slaves, need it all, too!
And guess what, middle class kids of citizens and LEGAL immigrants need enrichment (which they cannot get because the school leadership refuses to invite vendors unless they accommodate free lunch kids).

Middle class kids need quality instruction, and more than a handful of parents volunteering for more than a handful of events.

They also need teachers who are not stretched thin.

This is why people move to the outer burbs - or other counties farther out. And yes, teachers are stretched thin and are no good to themselves or others at that point. I saw the changes in the classroom, and I saw the impact on my own children's education. If you ignore these issues, they only grow, and that's what the impacted counties are doing - ignoring the issues at the expense of the kids (native born and children of naturalized citizens) who want to learn.

It sounds so ugly, but it's the truth. And for those of you who have no experience in the school system or with social programs, I'd LOVE to hear your solutions. I really would . . . as I'd love a good laugh.

Pay teachers more and increase budgets so there are more faculty. Part of the stretching thin is barebones staff as compared to the 1950's when America was supposedly great.

+1000

I see, your solution is to have American citizens pay even MORE taxes for people who are not citizens, pay very little if any in taxes and have broken the law to be here. Americans are responsible for educating their own kids, not Mexico's (and not Honduras or Guatemala) We can not be on the hook for paying for every illegal immigrant whose kids inftrate our schools.

My kids school in just 5 short years has shot up to 40% ESOL immigrant from less than 3%. The immigrants soak up a majority of resources and get extras the American citizen kids don't get (special ESOL field trips, extra support and tutoring in the classroom, etc) I volunteer and see it constantly. It is disgraceful. There is enough money already for the American kids, no need for more taxes and more burdens on Americans. It's our Sanctuary status and the influx of their kids that is breaking our schools.

Enough already, Libs. We see you.

You are just making shit up. I doubt you even have any kids in school.

NP. That all you got? Open your damn eyes and see how many illegal immigrants are here in the DMV!

I see immigrants working and paying taxes and contributing to the community. I see their kids going to school and preparing to do the same.

You seem to assume that every Latino is here illegally and is getting a free ride. You are bigots.

[Anonymous]

Follow the European model. Incentivize Mexico to hold and process asylum claimants and that will reduce the flood of immigrants coming through US borders. This will be more effective than walls.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Follow the European model. Incentivize Mexico to hold and process asylum claimants and that will reduce the flood of immigrants coming through US borders. This will be more effective than walls.

I suggested this a couple pages up, too.
Yet, this won’t be very effective if not coupled with stricter asylum criteria.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Follow the European model. Incentivize Mexico to hold and process asylum claimants and that will reduce the flood of immigrants coming through US borders. This will be more effective than walls.

I suggested this a couple pages up, too.
Yet, this won’t be very effective if not coupled with stricter asylum criteria.

The asylum criteria are strict enough. The problem is that people get released into the US while awaiting processing. Even those with weak claims know that they can use this as a means to enter the country and then figure how to stay. A prescreening will cut down on the number of cases which have no hope of succeeding.

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Anonymous wrote:Follow the European model. Incentivize Mexico to hold and process asylum claimants and that will reduce the flood of immigrants coming through US borders. This will be more effective than walls.

I suggested this a couple pages up, too.
Yet, this won’t be very effective if not coupled with stricter asylum criteria.

The asylum criteria are strict enough. The problem is that people get released into the US while awaiting processing. Even those with weak claims know that they can use this as a means to enter the country and then figure how to stay. A prescreening will cut down on the number of cases which have no hope of succeeding.

In any case it is better than nothing. At least the denied cases won’t get in, true.

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Anonymous wrote:Follow the European model. Incentivize Mexico to hold and process asylum claimants and that will reduce the flood of immigrants coming through US borders. This will be more effective than walls.

Give them MORE money and expect them to use it properly? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

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Anonymous wrote:Follow the European model. Incentivize Mexico to hold and process asylum claimants and that will reduce the flood of immigrants coming through US borders. This will be more effective than walls.

Give them MORE money and expect them to use it properly? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

Better than giving Trump money for a wall which will do nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:Follow the European model. Incentivize Mexico to hold and process asylum claimants and that will reduce the flood of immigrants coming through US borders. This will be more effective than walls.

Give them MORE money and expect them to use it properly? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

Better than giving Trump money for a wall which will do nothing.

Frankly, closing the border will do more. Just shut it down. Guard it as well, and frankly? Shoot on crossing.

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Anonymous wrote:DP- my neighborhood school is 65% low income and ESOL, mostly Hispanic. They can’t all be the children of corporate employees or have been here for x generations.
It does look like an invasion, neighborhood families (the ones who have been here for many years in fact) rarely send their kids to this school.

How exactly does it "look like an invasion"?

Middle class families don’t find the teaching rigorous enough. Tons of time spent on discipline and remedial instruction. Very few afterschool activities because nobody wants to organize them and/or pay for them.
Basically, this school now “belongs” to low income ESOL students. They are the focus.

OMGERD!! PEOPLE SEND THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL!!! PANIC!!!

Their kids need free lunches, therapy, remedial instruction, ESOL services, free aftercare, free enrichment.
Guess what, kids who come from generational poverty and are US citizens, and descendants of slaves, need it all, too!
And guess what, middle class kids of citizens and LEGAL immigrants need enrichment (which they cannot get because the school leadership refuses to invite vendors unless they accommodate free lunch kids).

Middle class kids need quality instruction, and more than a handful of parents volunteering for more than a handful of events.

They also need teachers who are not stretched thin.

This is why people move to the outer burbs - or other counties farther out. And yes, teachers are stretched thin and are no good to themselves or others at that point. I saw the changes in the classroom, and I saw the impact on my own children's education. If you ignore these issues, they only grow, and that's what the impacted counties are doing - ignoring the issues at the expense of the kids (native born and children of naturalized citizens) who want to learn.

It sounds so ugly, but it's the truth. And for those of you who have no experience in the school system or with social programs, I'd LOVE to hear your solutions. I really would . . . as I'd love a good laugh.

Pay teachers more and increase budgets so there are more faculty. Part of the stretching thin is barebones staff as compared to the 1950's when America was supposedly great.

+1000

I see, your solution is to have American citizens pay even MORE taxes for people who are not citizens, pay very little if any in taxes and have broken the law to be here. Americans are responsible for educating their own kids, not Mexico's (and not Honduras or Guatemala) We can not be on the hook for paying for every illegal immigrant whose kids inftrate our schools.

My kids school in just 5 short years has shot up to 40% ESOL immigrant from less than 3%. The immigrants soak up a majority of resources and get extras the American citizen kids don't get (special ESOL field trips, extra support and tutoring in the classroom, etc) I volunteer and see it constantly. It is disgraceful. There is enough money already for the American kids, no need for more taxes and more burdens on Americans. It's our Sanctuary status and the influx of their kids that is breaking our schools.

Enough already, Libs. We see you.

You are just making shit up. I doubt you even have any kids in school.

NP. That all you got? Open your damn eyes and see how many illegal immigrants are here in the DMV!

I see immigrants working and paying taxes and contributing to the community. I see their kids going to school and preparing to do the same.

You seem to assume that every Latino is here illegally and is getting a free ride. You are bigots.

Sanctuary cities and counties say they are. No papers needed for school enrollment say they are.

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I live in a sanctuary city. No, you cannot enroll a child totally without papers. Liar liar.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I live in a sanctuary city. No, you cannot enroll a child totally without papers. Liar liar.

"While schools may accept a parents' drivers license as evidence, they may not require it to establish residency since it would unlawfully bar a student whose parents in the U.S. illegally and do not have a drivers' license. "

"Schools are also specifically advised not to inquire about a student's immigration or citizenship status, because that information, "is not relevant to establishing residency in the district, and inquiring about it in the context of establishing residency is unnecessary and may have a chilling or a discouraging effect on student enrollment," a Q&A document for school says."

Sounds to me like there's no need for proof of residency.

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Anonymous wrote:Follow the European model. Incentivize Mexico to hold and process asylum claimants and that will reduce the flood of immigrants coming through US borders. This will be more effective than walls.

Give them MORE money and expect them to use it properly? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

Better than giving Trump money for a wall which will do nothing.

Frankly, closing the border will do more. Just shut it down. Guard it as well, and frankly? Shoot on crossing.

Naive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/20/us/border-patrol-rio-grande-overcrowding

Article I read tonight in the NYT. Why has the border been busier the past month? Because reading this alarms me, a moderate Democrat. I see Trump using this to his benefit.

US auto industry will come to screeching halt within one week of closing border. He is such a fool and, apparently, he either does not listen to his economic advisors or has none!

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Anonymous wrote:I realize that migrants can legally claim asylum the minute they touch U.S. soil. Which begs the question, why isn't there something - a BARRIER, perhaps?? - to prevent them from touching U.S. soil in the first place? They should have to wait on the Mexico side, not the U.S. side, where they're simply released into our country after a cursory interview. Absurd.

Because it's virtually impossible to build said barrier directly ON the border. They cross into US territory before they even reach the barrier. Sorry but that is how it works.

How does Israel get to have barriers that are Effective?