Is there or isn’t there a crisis on the border?

[Anonymous]

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If Trump was serious about stopping illegal immigration, he would do something about the overstayed visa problem, not build a wall. Someone's probably getting a kickback somewhere!

they have tried and dems push back on EVERY EFFORT TO LIMIT IMMIGRATION.

zoe, pelosi, schumer, the more guest workers the better for their silicon valley masters.

Republicans controlled the White House, the Senate, and the House for all of 2017 and 2018. They could have passed whatever immigration legislation they wanted. What did they pass? Tax breaks for billionaires.

The truth is both parties are essentially refusing to act on this. Why? Because the U.S. economy depends on illegal immigrants. The Wall is security theater.

Agree that it’s both parties at fault because wealthy people in both parties benefit from exploiting illegal immigrants.

And, yes, maybe the economy is dependent on illegal immigrants right now, but that needs to change.

Encouraging free health care and free college for illegal immigrants is not going to help the situation.

I actually 100% agree with these statements (I am a conservative-leaning independent never-Trumper FWIW). But if you admit that this is the fault of both parties, then why are you blaming the Democrats? And why are you crowing about Trump's wall (BTW Trump has spent several billion dollars to build 100 miles of a wall on a 2000 mile border. Most illegal immigrants don't come from illegal border crossings. So he has essentially spent several billion dollars to accomplish nothing toward reducing illegal immigration. This isn't something to brag about or feel pride in.)
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-administration-announces-completion-100-miles-border-wall/story?id=68200934

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/20/us/border-patrol-rio-grande-overcrowding

Article I read tonight in the NYT. Why has the border been busier the past month? Because reading this alarms me, a moderate Democrat. I see Trump using this to his benefit.

No need to be alarmed. A bunch of families fleeing violence is not a threat to you. Kim Jung Un continuing to develop a nuclear arsenal unchecked by Donald Trump is a much more serious threat.

What exactly did Barack and Joe do for EIGHT years?

Deport many of them.

Exactly.

The Deporter-in-Chief beefed up ICE and deported over 4 million immigrants while the media treated him as the best and most lovely President ever.

I wonder why they don't like Trump when he does the same.

If you have to ask....


Seriously, did we have the "crisis" we are seeing now under Obama? No. The policy changed. Figure it out. Google is your friend.

No, Google is no longer your friend if you want the truth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If Trump was serious about stopping illegal immigration, he would do something about the overstayed visa problem, not build a wall. Someone's probably getting a kickback somewhere!

they have tried and dems push back on EVERY EFFORT TO LIMIT IMMIGRATION.

zoe, pelosi, schumer, the more guest workers the better for their silicon valley masters.

Republicans controlled the White House, the Senate, and the House for all of 2017 and 2018. They could have passed whatever immigration legislation they wanted. What did they pass? Tax breaks for billionaires.

The truth is both parties are essentially refusing to act on this. Why? Because the U.S. economy depends on illegal immigrants. The Wall is security theater.

The vote on immigration reform in the Senate needed 60 votes to pass. Republicans didn't have 60 members in the Senate.

Is this a dictatorship? Nothing prevented the GOP from coming to a mutual agreement with the Democrats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If Trump was serious about stopping illegal immigration, he would do something about the overstayed visa problem, not build a wall. Someone's probably getting a kickback somewhere!

they have tried and dems push back on EVERY EFFORT TO LIMIT IMMIGRATION.

zoe, pelosi, schumer, the more guest workers the better for their silicon valley masters.

Republicans controlled the White House, the Senate, and the House for all of 2017 and 2018. They could have passed whatever immigration legislation they wanted. What did they pass? Tax breaks for billionaires.

The truth is both parties are essentially refusing to act on this. Why? Because the U.S. economy depends on illegal immigrants. The Wall is security theater.

The vote on immigration reform in the Senate needed 60 votes to pass. Republicans didn't have 60 members in the Senate.

Is this a dictatorship? Nothing prevented the GOP from coming to a mutual agreement with the Democrats.

Obama had 8 years.

Trump only 3 so far. Let's give him 8 and then compare results.

[Anonymous]

Facts are that democrats in recent years have consistently pushed for more people immigration

Obama created guest visa out of thin air, ( listing it causes admin to delete all postings, he is very sensitive)

Obama triples the number of years for OPT visa

Obama expanded which jobs can be used for OPT

Hillary wanted to triple guest worker visas

Zoe pushes thru a bill to double h2b visas

Zoe is pushing new bill that is racist and effectively only allows Indians To get green cards

Dems have abandoned middle class workers for more immigration

[Anonymous]

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When American children get rescued from sex trafficking,
we have NO beds for them. WHY?????

But we create and fund housing for foreigners???
How is this even logical?

What exactly are you talking about?

Don't we have an obligation to rescue our own children?

Strawman argument.

Typical Bubbled Liberal response to the endless neglected and abused American children. Many of those American children are in fact HOMELESS. Do you even care?

We should be giving jobs to our neighbors children first. Send the indian body shops back to India

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Facts are that democrats in recent years have consistently pushed for more people immigration

Obama created guest visa out of thin air, ( listing it causes admin to delete all postings, he is very sensitive)

Obama triples the number of years for OPT visa

Obama expanded which jobs can be used for OPT

Hillary wanted to triple guest worker visas

Zoe pushes thru a bill to double h2b visas

Zoe is pushing new bill that is racist and effectively only allows Indians To get green cards

Dems have abandoned middle class workers for more immigration

Trump increased H2B visas by 15k in his first few months of office.

Orin Hatch a R sponsored a bill to increase HIB visas in 2018.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
When American children get rescued from sex trafficking,
we have NO beds for them. WHY?????

But we create and fund housing for foreigners???
How is this even logical?

What exactly are you talking about?

Don't we have an obligation to rescue our own children?

Strawman argument.

Typical Bubbled Liberal response to the endless neglected and abused American children. Many of those American children are in fact HOMELESS. Do you even care?

We should be giving jobs to our neighbors children first. Send the indian body shops back to India

We should be hiring low skilled Americans first at Trump's resorts. Send those Eastern Europeans back to Eastern Europe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
When American children get rescued from sex trafficking,
we have NO beds for them. WHY?????

But we create and fund housing for foreigners???
How is this even logical?

What exactly are you talking about?

Don't we have an obligation to rescue our own children?

Strawman argument.

Typical Bubbled Liberal response to the endless neglected and abused American children. Many of those American children are in fact HOMELESS. Do you even care?

We should be giving jobs to our neighbors children first. Send the indian body shops back to India

We should be hiring low skilled Americans first at Trump's resorts. Send those Eastern Europeans back to Eastern Europe.

Shouldn’t the welcome mat be for everyone?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Facts are that democrats in recent years have consistently pushed for more people immigration

Obama created guest visa out of thin air, ( listing it causes admin to delete all postings, he is very sensitive)

Obama triples the number of years for OPT visa

Obama expanded which jobs can be used for OPT

Hillary wanted to triple guest worker visas

Zoe pushes thru a bill to double h2b visas

Zoe is pushing new bill that is racist and effectively only allows Indians To get green cards

Dems have abandoned middle class workers for more immigration

Trump increased H2B visas by 15k in his first few months of office.

Orin Hatch a R sponsored a bill to increase HIB visas in 2018.

DP

I have no issue with increasing LEGAL immigration.

I do have a problem with encouraging more illegal immigration.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Facts are that democrats in recent years have consistently pushed for more people immigration

Obama created guest visa out of thin air, ( listing it causes admin to delete all postings, he is very sensitive)

Obama triples the number of years for OPT visa

Obama expanded which jobs can be used for OPT

Hillary wanted to triple guest worker visas

Zoe pushes thru a bill to double h2b visas

Zoe is pushing new bill that is racist and effectively only allows Indians To get green cards

Dems have abandoned middle class workers for more immigration

Trump increased H2B visas by 15k in his first few months of office.

Orin Hatch a R sponsored a bill to increase HIB visas in 2018.

DP

I have no issue with increasing LEGAL immigration.

I do have a problem with encouraging more illegal immigration.

+1,000,000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If Trump was serious about stopping illegal immigration, he would do something about the overstayed visa problem, not build a wall. Someone's probably getting a kickback somewhere!

they have tried and dems push back on EVERY EFFORT TO LIMIT IMMIGRATION.

zoe, pelosi, schumer, the more guest workers the better for their silicon valley masters.

Republicans controlled the White House, the Senate, and the House for all of 2017 and 2018. They could have passed whatever immigration legislation they wanted. What did they pass? Tax breaks for billionaires.

The truth is both parties are essentially refusing to act on this. Why? Because the U.S. economy depends on illegal immigrants. The Wall is security theater.

Agree that it’s both parties at fault because wealthy people in both parties benefit from exploiting illegal immigrants.

And, yes, maybe the economy is dependent on illegal immigrants right now, but that needs to change.

Encouraging free health care and free college for illegal immigrants is not going to help the situation.

I actually 100% agree with these statements (I am a conservative-leaning independent never-Trumper FWIW). But if you admit that this is the fault of both parties, then why are you blaming the Democrats? And why are you crowing about Trump's wall (BTW Trump has spent several billion dollars to build 100 miles of a wall on a 2000 mile border. Most illegal immigrants don't come from illegal border crossings. So he has essentially spent several billion dollars to accomplish nothing toward reducing illegal immigration. This isn't something to brag about or feel pride in.)
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-administration-announces-completion-100-miles-border-wall/story?id=68200934

Excellent questions. Hopefully PP can answer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Arrests for illegal border crossings into the United States dropped again last month, the seventh consecutive month they have declined. The fact you probably haven’t heard about this in the media is likely because it is a big win for President Trump — and that’s one reason why so many Trump backers have tuned the media out.?The migration saga started last summer. Hundreds of thousands of poor Central Americans made the 1,000-mile-plus journey north fueled by the belief it was easy to get into the United States. By June, U.S. border agents were arresting more than 130,000 people a month. Something had to be done to prevent a humanitarian disaster.?Trump acted. He announced he would levy tariffs on goods from Mexico unless that country did more to stem the flow of Central Americans seeking asylum in the United States. The move was widely condemned by the usual suspects, but once Mexico submitted to Trump’s demands, attention moved elsewhere.?It turns out that the critics were wrong. Fewer than 33,000 people were arrested at the southwest border in December. That’s not only 100,000 fewer people than were arrested in May right before Trump acted; it’s nearly 18,000 people fewer than in December 2018. It’s not as though the countries the migrants were fleeing suddenly became garden spots overnight. There’s only one explanation for the rapid decline: Trump’s policies worked.

Illegal immigration has been dropping for years and actually increased under Trump. Big win for Trump where?

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Facts are that democrats in recent years have consistently pushed for more people immigration

Obama created guest visa out of thin air, ( listing it causes admin to delete all postings, he is very sensitive)

Obama triples the number of years for OPT visa

Obama expanded which jobs can be used for OPT

Hillary wanted to triple guest worker visas

Zoe pushes thru a bill to double h2b visas

Zoe is pushing new bill that is racist and effectively only allows Indians To get green cards

Dems have abandoned middle class workers for more immigration

Wtf is Zoe?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Arrests for illegal border crossings into the United States dropped again last month, the seventh consecutive month they have declined. The fact you probably haven’t heard about this in the media is likely because it is a big win for President Trump — and that’s one reason why so many Trump backers have tuned the media out.?The migration saga started last summer. Hundreds of thousands of poor Central Americans made the 1,000-mile-plus journey north fueled by the belief it was easy to get into the United States. By June, U.S. border agents were arresting more than 130,000 people a month. Something had to be done to prevent a humanitarian disaster.?Trump acted. He announced he would levy tariffs on goods from Mexico unless that country did more to stem the flow of Central Americans seeking asylum in the United States. The move was widely condemned by the usual suspects, but once Mexico submitted to Trump’s demands, attention moved elsewhere.?It turns out that the critics were wrong. Fewer than 33,000 people were arrested at the southwest border in December. That’s not only 100,000 fewer people than were arrested in May right before Trump acted; it’s nearly 18,000 people fewer than in December 2018. It’s not as though the countries the migrants were fleeing suddenly became garden spots overnight. There’s only one explanation for the rapid decline: Trump’s policies worked.

Illegal immigration has been dropping for years and actually increased under Trump. Big win for Trump where?

You must be illiterate.

That chart shows a massive increase in border detentions since 2017.

Increase in detentions, not in immigration.