Is there or isn’t there a crisis on the border?

[Anonymous]

Hey dum dum. That’s how they measure illegal immigration...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hey dum dum. That’s how they measure illegal immigration...

It is not, illiterate dum dum.

Detentions reflect US policy -- you can choose to beef up border security and detentions, or let people cross at will.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Arrests for illegal border crossings into the United States dropped again last month, the seventh consecutive month they have declined. The fact you probably haven’t heard about this in the media is likely because it is a big win for President Trump — and that’s one reason why so many Trump backers have tuned the media out.?The migration saga started last summer. Hundreds of thousands of poor Central Americans made the 1,000-mile-plus journey north fueled by the belief it was easy to get into the United States. By June, U.S. border agents were arresting more than 130,000 people a month. Something had to be done to prevent a humanitarian disaster.?Trump acted. He announced he would levy tariffs on goods from Mexico unless that country did more to stem the flow of Central Americans seeking asylum in the United States. The move was widely condemned by the usual suspects, but once Mexico submitted to Trump’s demands, attention moved elsewhere.?It turns out that the critics were wrong. Fewer than 33,000 people were arrested at the southwest border in December. That’s not only 100,000 fewer people than were arrested in May right before Trump acted; it’s nearly 18,000 people fewer than in December 2018. It’s not as though the countries the migrants were fleeing suddenly became garden spots overnight. There’s only one explanation for the rapid decline: Trump’s policies worked.

Illegal immigration has been dropping for years and actually increased under Trump. Big win for Trump where?

You must be illiterate.

That chart shows a massive increase in border detentions since 2017.

Increase in detentions, not in immigration.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hey dum dum. That’s how they measure illegal immigration...

It is not, illiterate dum dum.

Detentions reflect US policy -- you can choose to beef up border security and detentions, or let people cross at will.

Ok, dum dum. Please share which metric CBP uses to track illegal immigration. Extra points for a link.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hey dum dum. That’s how they measure illegal immigration...

It is not, illiterate dum dum.

Detentions reflect US policy -- you can choose to beef up border security and detentions, or let people cross at will.

Ok, dum dum. Please share which metric CBP uses to track illegal immigration. Extra points for a link.

Easy peasy -- the CBP does not even try track illegal immigration.

They do try to measure it from time to time based on Census data and other public records.

And, separately, they do track border detentions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hey dum dum. That’s how they measure illegal immigration...

It is not, illiterate dum dum.

Detentions reflect US policy -- you can choose to beef up border security and detentions, or let people cross at will.

Ok, dum dum. Please share which metric CBP uses to track illegal immigration. Extra points for a link.

Easy peasy -- the CBP does not even try track illegal immigration.

They do try to measure it from time to time based on Census data and other public records.

And, separately, they do track border detentions.

Sorry, the number of apprehensions is the metric they use to track border crossings.

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/national-media-release/cbp-announces-july-2019-migration-statistics
"U.S. Customs and Border Protection released the agency’s July 2019 migration statistics today. In July, CBP apprehended or encountered 82,049 individuals who crossed the border illegally or were deemed inadmissible at Southwest border ports of entry, pushing the fiscal year to-date (FYTD) enforcement actions on the Southwest border to 862,785."

"CBP attributes the current drop to efforts made by both Mexico and Guatemala, as well as policies such as Migrant Protection Protocol, increased interior enforcement, and the Interim Final Rule."

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/national-media-release/cbp-releases-fiscal-year-2019-southwest-border-migration-stats
"Family Unit Aliens (FMUA) are crossing our borders in record numbers. This fiscal year to date, CBP has seen a more than 300 percent increase in the number of family units apprehended compared to the same time period in fiscal year 2018. Today, family units and unaccompanied alien children (UAC) make up 60 percent of apprehension that have occurred along the southwest border and are predominantly from Central America, namely Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador."

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2019/09/10/border-numbers-fall-third-month-row-remain-high
"“Under President Trump’s leadership, we’ve been able to utilize a number of tools to help begin to mitigate, but not end, the national security and humanitarian crisis at the southern border,” said Acting CBP Commissioner Mark Morgan. “The continued drop in enforcement actions is encouraging, but make no mistake, we’re still in a crisis and more must be done. Until Congress makes targeted changes to immigration laws, we will continue to see stark challenges.”"


The chart they use to track "Border Migration" - apprehensions.
See for yourself: https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hey dum dum. That’s how they measure illegal immigration...

It is not, illiterate dum dum.

Detentions reflect US policy -- you can choose to beef up border security and detentions, or let people cross at will.

Ok, dum dum. Please share which metric CBP uses to track illegal immigration. Extra points for a link.

Easy peasy -- the CBP does not even try track illegal immigration.

They do try to measure it from time to time based on Census data and other public records.

And, separately, they do track border detentions.

Sorry, the number of apprehensions is the metric they use to track border crossings.

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/national-media-release/cbp-announces-july-2019-migration-statistics
"U.S. Customs and Border Protection released the agency’s July 2019 migration statistics today. In July, CBP apprehended or encountered 82,049 individuals who crossed the border illegally or were deemed inadmissible at Southwest border ports of entry, pushing the fiscal year to-date (FYTD) enforcement actions on the Southwest border to 862,785."

"CBP attributes the current drop to efforts made by both Mexico and Guatemala, as well as policies such as Migrant Protection Protocol, increased interior enforcement, and the Interim Final Rule."

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/national-media-release/cbp-releases-fiscal-year-2019-southwest-border-migration-stats
"Family Unit Aliens (FMUA) are crossing our borders in record numbers. This fiscal year to date, CBP has seen a more than 300 percent increase in the number of family units apprehended compared to the same time period in fiscal year 2018. Today, family units and unaccompanied alien children (UAC) make up 60 percent of apprehension that have occurred along the southwest border and are predominantly from Central America, namely Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador."

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2019/09/10/border-numbers-fall-third-month-row-remain-high
"“Under President Trump’s leadership, we’ve been able to utilize a number of tools to help begin to mitigate, but not end, the national security and humanitarian crisis at the southern border,” said Acting CBP Commissioner Mark Morgan. “The continued drop in enforcement actions is encouraging, but make no mistake, we’re still in a crisis and more must be done. Until Congress makes targeted changes to immigration laws, we will continue to see stark challenges.”"


The chart they use to track "Border Migration" - apprehensions.
See for yourself: https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

You are confusing 4 different things.

1) The total number of immigrants in our country illegally

2) The annual increase/ decrease in #1. Which includes as some previous PP said people who fly in and overstay their visas.

3) The number of illegal border crossings.

4) The number of detentions while #3

Net net, you are using the increase in #4 to argue that #1 has spiked under Trump, and that's pure BS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hey dum dum. That’s how they measure illegal immigration...

It is not, illiterate dum dum.

Detentions reflect US policy -- you can choose to beef up border security and detentions, or let people cross at will.

Ok, dum dum. Please share which metric CBP uses to track illegal immigration. Extra points for a link.

Easy peasy -- the CBP does not even try track illegal immigration.

They do try to measure it from time to time based on Census data and other public records.

And, separately, they do track border detentions.

Sorry, the number of apprehensions is the metric they use to track border crossings.

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/national-media-release/cbp-announces-july-2019-migration-statistics
"U.S. Customs and Border Protection released the agency’s July 2019 migration statistics today. In July, CBP apprehended or encountered 82,049 individuals who crossed the border illegally or were deemed inadmissible at Southwest border ports of entry, pushing the fiscal year to-date (FYTD) enforcement actions on the Southwest border to 862,785."

"CBP attributes the current drop to efforts made by both Mexico and Guatemala, as well as policies such as Migrant Protection Protocol, increased interior enforcement, and the Interim Final Rule."

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/national-media-release/cbp-releases-fiscal-year-2019-southwest-border-migration-stats
"Family Unit Aliens (FMUA) are crossing our borders in record numbers. This fiscal year to date, CBP has seen a more than 300 percent increase in the number of family units apprehended compared to the same time period in fiscal year 2018. Today, family units and unaccompanied alien children (UAC) make up 60 percent of apprehension that have occurred along the southwest border and are predominantly from Central America, namely Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador."

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2019/09/10/border-numbers-fall-third-month-row-remain-high
"“Under President Trump’s leadership, we’ve been able to utilize a number of tools to help begin to mitigate, but not end, the national security and humanitarian crisis at the southern border,” said Acting CBP Commissioner Mark Morgan. “The continued drop in enforcement actions is encouraging, but make no mistake, we’re still in a crisis and more must be done. Until Congress makes targeted changes to immigration laws, we will continue to see stark challenges.”"


The chart they use to track "Border Migration" - apprehensions.
See for yourself: https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

You are confusing 4 different things.

1) The total number of immigrants in our country illegally

2) The annual increase/ decrease in #1. Which includes as some previous PP said people who fly in and overstay their visas.

3) The number of illegal border crossings.

4) The number of detentions while #3

Net net, you are using the increase in #4 to argue that #1 has spiked under Trump, and that's pure BS.

True that visa overstays would be tracked with other metrics. But the context of this thread was the southern border...so I'll be more explicit:

The # of apprehensions is the metric that CBP (and others, including Pew) uses to track illegal immigration via the southern border.


https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/11/01/whats-happening-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-in-5-charts/

[Anonymous]

And that is all in response to this post discussing border crossings:
http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1005/793012.page#16322090

"Arrests for illegal border crossings into the United States dropped again last month, the seventh consecutive month they have declined. The fact you probably haven’t heard about this in the media is likely because it is a big win for President Trump — and that’s one reason why so many Trump backers have tuned the media out."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And that is all in response to this post discussing border crossings:
http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1005/793012.page#16322090

"Arrests for illegal border crossings into the United States dropped again last month, the seventh consecutive month they have declined. The fact you probably haven’t heard about this in the media is likely because it is a big win for President Trump — and that’s one reason why so many Trump backers have tuned the media out."

+1,000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And that is all in response to this post discussing border crossings:
http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1005/793012.page#16322090

"Arrests for illegal border crossings into the United States dropped again last month, the seventh consecutive month they have declined. The fact you probably haven’t heard about this in the media is likely because it is a big win for President Trump — and that’s one reason why so many Trump backers have tuned the media out."

+1,000

OK - they've declined over the past several months as shown here:


But if you take wider look they still spiked over the past couple of years:

[Anonymous]

So who is going to tell him about nighttime, or gloves?

[Anonymous]

Because the new Trump wall is so poorly designed, the number of people hopping the boarder wall has actually risen.

https://news.yahoo.com/smugglers-helping-migrants-scale-trump-122108689.html

[Anonymous]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mulvaney-says-us-is-desperate-for-more-legal-immigrants/2020/02/20/946292b2-5401-11ea-87b2-101dc5477dd7_story.html


This is rather amazing.

Acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney told a crowd at a private gathering in England on Wednesday night that the Trump administration “needs more immigrants” for the U.S. economy to continue growing,

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

But if you take wider look they still spiked over the past couple of years:

Um, I would likely account for the spike in apprehensions as due to the Administration arresting asylum seekers. This was not done by other Administrations.