School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.

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Anonymous wrote:Why don’t all high schools have metal detectors and an armed officer by now? I though most do.

There was an armed officer there. And many armed officers 5 minutes into the massacre.

Why do teens have access to guns?

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Anonymous wrote:In Europe we had academically selective schools where you take an IQ test age 11 and if you're bright you go to the learning school and if you're not you go to the other school for messing about. That stops a lot of those negative interactions between kids who are just there to mess around (or worse) and kids trying to learn. While American public schools have no vetting process whatsoever. You might have raised a functional and smart child in a ideal environment, but once you sent them to public school you expose them to an ethos of bullies, future criminals, children of single moms, children on drugs, lunatic teachers, apathetic administration, and so forth.

The problem with your “logic” or lack there of is that you assume “IQ” precludes people from being criminals… rapist, drug dealers, racist and killers are unfortunately prevalent in all IQS.

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Anonymous wrote:Why don’t all high schools have metal detectors and an armed officer by now? I though most do.

There was an armed officer there. And many armed officers 5 minutes into the massacre.

Why do teens have access to guns?

They always have. That isn’t a new variable

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Anonymous wrote:In Europe we had academically selective schools where you take an IQ test age 11 and if you're bright you go to the learning school and if you're not you go to the other school for messing about. That stops a lot of those negative interactions between kids who are just there to mess around (or worse) and kids trying to learn. While American public schools have no vetting process whatsoever. You might have raised a functional and smart child in a ideal environment, but once you sent them to public school you expose them to an ethos of bullies, future criminals, children of single moms, children on drugs, lunatic teachers, apathetic administration, and so forth.

I don’t know that is the answer, but I do think schools need to stop integrating those that have behavior issues that have a negative impact on other kids there trying to learn. There needs to more alt Ed schools where kids with behavioral problems and/or learning disabilities can have smaller classes and more adults monitoring and helping them.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m curious that no one here is interested in motive. All the fixation in this thread is on that “what” and the “how”, but no one is asking about the “why”.

That’s not science.

I would bet anything he was being tormented at school for being poor, pudgy, and unathletic. Bullying is so freaking cruel and typically nobody at large high schools gives a damn.

This.

Most school and workplace shootings don’t happen in a vacuum. These kids lash out in these cases because they’ve been teased, bullied and ostracized their whole lives, and they reach their breaking point and go supernova.


Pearl Jam understood this in the song “Jeremy” 25 years ago

“…… Clearly I remember
Pickin' on the boy
Seemed a harmless little f@@k
But we unleashed the lion…. “


Bullying is the most evil, destructive thing kids can do. Because it creates Jeremy’s.


And shame on all of you here who so casually offhandedly dismiss any discussion of motive. You are disgusting, and a bully. And your own kids are probably bullies as well. You see things like this and it scares you, because it makes you consider the things you did to other children when you were younger. Or what you suspect your own kids are doing to a classmate right now. You think about what would happen if one of their victims snaps. You don’t actually care about the victim - you just care about that victim lashing out.

That’s why so many here are made so uncomfortable about any discussion of motive. And why you try to shutter any post about it.


-a formerly bullied kid now an adult

Love to you PP. You are correct.

Agree completely. I was bullied as a kid; now an adult.

The emotional scars heal slowly over a very long time, but they never go away completely.

So glad that our schools finally have good programs in place to intervene and stop bullying (FFX anyway).

Its people like the formerly bullied PP who are raising a generation of entitled kids who think its their right to strike back with deadly violence after whatever happens. BTW the school officials say this kid WASN'T bullied. He was just a dark, evil, odious individual who liked to play with guns and molotov cocktails. A born killer.

And to the FFX PP - the Broward County School District (home of Marjory Stoneman Douglas) has a $5.4 Billion annual school budget.

Didn't stop a lone misanthropist high school student from shooting and killing 17 students at once.

+1

What do you you do with a troubled child? Act like a troubled parent? NO. You get the kid help - and yourself, while you are at it.

My God, I can't even with these parents who cry "bully!" instead of tending to their child's needs. The school administration is tired of it, I know first hand.

Have you tried to get a child help in the last 2 years? Have you tried to find a therapist for anyone in the last two years? It is damn near impossible. We have been on waiting lists upon waiting lists for my child.
I don't disagree that he should of gotten help but we have no idea what action they tried to take or what they knew prior to one week ago when they were first made aware of the situation. And yes, they should have locked the gun or gotten rid of it.

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Anonymous wrote:In Europe we had academically selective schools where you take an IQ test age 11 and if you're bright you go to the learning school and if you're not you go to the other school for messing about. That stops a lot of those negative interactions between kids who are just there to mess around (or worse) and kids trying to learn. While American public schools have no vetting process whatsoever. You might have raised a functional and smart child in a ideal environment, but once you sent them to public school you expose them to an ethos of bullies, future criminals, children of single moms, children on drugs, lunatic teachers, apathetic administration, and so forth.

Awesome, so now we are taking children of single moms and separating them because they won't amount to anything....WTF people.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m curious that no one here is interested in motive. All the fixation in this thread is on that “what” and the “how”, but no one is asking about the “why”.

That’s not science.

I would bet anything he was being tormented at school for being poor, pudgy, and unathletic. Bullying is so freaking cruel and typically nobody at large high schools gives a damn.

This.

Most school and workplace shootings don’t happen in a vacuum. These kids lash out in these cases because they’ve been teased, bullied and ostracized their whole lives, and they reach their breaking point and go supernova.


Pearl Jam understood this in the song “Jeremy” 25 years ago

“…… Clearly I remember
Pickin' on the boy
Seemed a harmless little f@@k
But we unleashed the lion…. “


Bullying is the most evil, destructive thing kids can do. Because it creates Jeremy’s.


And shame on all of you here who so casually offhandedly dismiss any discussion of motive. You are disgusting, and a bully. And your own kids are probably bullies as well. You see things like this and it scares you, because it makes you consider the things you did to other children when you were younger. Or what you suspect your own kids are doing to a classmate right now. You think about what would happen if one of their victims snaps. You don’t actually care about the victim - you just care about that victim lashing out.

That’s why so many here are made so uncomfortable about any discussion of motive. And why you try to shutter any post about it.


-a formerly bullied kid now an adult

Love to you PP. You are correct.

Agree completely. I was bullied as a kid; now an adult.

The emotional scars heal slowly over a very long time, but they never go away completely.

So glad that our schools finally have good programs in place to intervene and stop bullying (FFX anyway).

Its people like the formerly bullied PP who are raising a generation of entitled kids who think its their right to strike back with deadly violence after whatever happens. BTW the school officials say this kid WASN'T bullied. He was just a dark, evil, odious individual who liked to play with guns and molotov cocktails. A born killer.

And to the FFX PP - the Broward County School District (home of Marjory Stoneman Douglas) has a $5.4 Billion annual school budget.

Didn't stop a lone misanthropist high school student from shooting and killing 17 students at once.

+1

What do you you do with a troubled child? Act like a troubled parent? NO. You get the kid help - and yourself, while you are at it.

My God, I can't even with these parents who cry "bully!" instead of tending to their child's needs. The school administration is tired of it, I know first hand.

Have you tried to get a child help in the last 2 years? Have you tried to find a therapist for anyone in the last two years? It is damn near impossible. We have been on waiting lists upon waiting lists for my child.
I don't disagree that he should of gotten help but we have no idea what action they tried to take or what they knew prior to one week ago when they were first made aware of the situation. And yes, they should have locked the gun or gotten rid of it.

Yes, I have.

Where are you? Go on the SN kids forum and ask for recommendations.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m curious that no one here is interested in motive. All the fixation in this thread is on that “what” and the “how”, but no one is asking about the “why”.

That’s not science.

I would bet anything he was being tormented at school for being poor, pudgy, and unathletic. Bullying is so freaking cruel and typically nobody at large high schools gives a damn.

This.

Most school and workplace shootings don’t happen in a vacuum. These kids lash out in these cases because they’ve been teased, bullied and ostracized their whole lives, and they reach their breaking point and go supernova.


Pearl Jam understood this in the song “Jeremy” 25 years ago

“…… Clearly I remember
Pickin' on the boy
Seemed a harmless little f@@k
But we unleashed the lion…. “


Bullying is the most evil, destructive thing kids can do. Because it creates Jeremy’s.


And shame on all of you here who so casually offhandedly dismiss any discussion of motive. You are disgusting, and a bully. And your own kids are probably bullies as well. You see things like this and it scares you, because it makes you consider the things you did to other children when you were younger. Or what you suspect your own kids are doing to a classmate right now. You think about what would happen if one of their victims snaps. You don’t actually care about the victim - you just care about that victim lashing out.

That’s why so many here are made so uncomfortable about any discussion of motive. And why you try to shutter any post about it.


-a formerly bullied kid now an adult

Love to you PP. You are correct.

Agree completely. I was bullied as a kid; now an adult.

The emotional scars heal slowly over a very long time, but they never go away completely.

So glad that our schools finally have good programs in place to intervene and stop bullying (FFX anyway).

Its people like the formerly bullied PP who are raising a generation of entitled kids who think its their right to strike back with deadly violence after whatever happens. BTW the school officials say this kid WASN'T bullied. He was just a dark, evil, odious individual who liked to play with guns and molotov cocktails. A born killer.

And to the FFX PP - the Broward County School District (home of Marjory Stoneman Douglas) has a $5.4 Billion annual school budget.

Didn't stop a lone misanthropist high school student from shooting and killing 17 students at once.

+1

What do you you do with a troubled child? Act like a troubled parent? NO. You get the kid help - and yourself, while you are at it.

My God, I can't even with these parents who cry "bully!" instead of tending to their child's needs. The school administration is tired of it, I know first hand.

Have you tried to get a child help in the last 2 years? Have you tried to find a therapist for anyone in the last two years? It is damn near impossible. We have been on waiting lists upon waiting lists for my child.
I don't disagree that he should of gotten help but we have no idea what action they tried to take or what they knew prior to one week ago when they were first made aware of the situation. And yes, they should have locked the gun or gotten rid of it.

THEY GAVE HIM THE GUN FOUR DAYS BEFORE THE SHOOTING

Some of you are really not bright.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In Europe we had academically selective schools where you take an IQ test age 11 and if you're bright you go to the learning school and if you're not you go to the other school for messing about. That stops a lot of those negative interactions between kids who are just there to mess around (or worse) and kids trying to learn. While American public schools have no vetting process whatsoever. You might have raised a functional and smart child in a ideal environment, but once you sent them to public school you expose them to an ethos of bullies, future criminals, children of single moms, children on drugs, lunatic teachers, apathetic administration, and so forth.

Awesome, so now we are taking children of single moms and separating them because they won't amount to anything....WTF people.

If they have a low IQ and behavioral problems why should be in the same school and force the majority of the other kids to be taught at a lower level plus put up with their behavior? Single mom’s kid that goes to school ready and willing to learn and can work near grade level- awesome, keep up the good work and continue on

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Anonymous wrote:In Europe we had academically selective schools where you take an IQ test age 11 and if you're bright you go to the learning school and if you're not you go to the other school for messing about. That stops a lot of those negative interactions between kids who are just there to mess around (or worse) and kids trying to learn. While American public schools have no vetting process whatsoever. You might have raised a functional and smart child in a ideal environment, but once you sent them to public school you expose them to an ethos of bullies, future criminals, children of single moms, children on drugs, lunatic teachers, apathetic administration, and so forth.

Awesome, so now we are taking children of single moms and separating them because they won't amount to anything....WTF people.

The research is pretty clear. And PP did not say all children of single moms.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m curious that no one here is interested in motive. All the fixation in this thread is on that “what” and the “how”, but no one is asking about the “why”.

That’s not science.

I would bet anything he was being tormented at school for being poor, pudgy, and unathletic. Bullying is so freaking cruel and typically nobody at large high schools gives a damn.

This.

Most school and workplace shootings don’t happen in a vacuum. These kids lash out in these cases because they’ve been teased, bullied and ostracized their whole lives, and they reach their breaking point and go supernova.


Pearl Jam understood this in the song “Jeremy” 25 years ago

“…… Clearly I remember
Pickin' on the boy
Seemed a harmless little f@@k
But we unleashed the lion…. “


Bullying is the most evil, destructive thing kids can do. Because it creates Jeremy’s.


And shame on all of you here who so casually offhandedly dismiss any discussion of motive. You are disgusting, and a bully. And your own kids are probably bullies as well. You see things like this and it scares you, because it makes you consider the things you did to other children when you were younger. Or what you suspect your own kids are doing to a classmate right now. You think about what would happen if one of their victims snaps. You don’t actually care about the victim - you just care about that victim lashing out.

That’s why so many here are made so uncomfortable about any discussion of motive. And why you try to shutter any post about it.


-a formerly bullied kid now an adult

Love to you PP. You are correct.

Agree completely. I was bullied as a kid; now an adult.

The emotional scars heal slowly over a very long time, but they never go away completely.

So glad that our schools finally have good programs in place to intervene and stop bullying (FFX anyway).

Its people like the formerly bullied PP who are raising a generation of entitled kids who think its their right to strike back with deadly violence after whatever happens. BTW the school officials say this kid WASN'T bullied. He was just a dark, evil, odious individual who liked to play with guns and molotov cocktails. A born killer.

And to the FFX PP - the Broward County School District (home of Marjory Stoneman Douglas) has a $5.4 Billion annual school budget.

Didn't stop a lone misanthropist high school student from shooting and killing 17 students at once.

+1

What do you you do with a troubled child? Act like a troubled parent? NO. You get the kid help - and yourself, while you are at it.

My God, I can't even with these parents who cry "bully!" instead of tending to their child's needs. The school administration is tired of it, I know first hand.

Have you tried to get a child help in the last 2 years? Have you tried to find a therapist for anyone in the last two years? It is damn near impossible. We have been on waiting lists upon waiting lists for my child.
I don't disagree that he should of gotten help but we have no idea what action they tried to take or what they knew prior to one week ago when they were first made aware of the situation. And yes, they should have locked the gun or gotten rid of it.

THEY GAVE HIM THE GUN FOUR DAYS BEFORE THE SHOOTING

Some of you are really not bright.

Dad buying a gun doesn’t mean dad “gave” him a gun. We don’t know details of how it was obtained by son.
This summer there was another mass random shooting in MI. A 19 yr old. At 17 he threatened high school shooting and had a weapon cache. Mom turned him into police. He was put in juvie until 19. 3 weeks after he got out of juvie, he got a gun and opened fire on innocent people on the beach, killing 2. Mental health is a serious issue. Teens aren’t getting mental health help and they need. We need to bring back institutions.

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If you look at the faces of these shooters - they look subhuman, crazy and low IQ. As if they were casted in these roles by some Hollywood casting director. With dead, crazy, Sanpaku eyes too...

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^ https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/09/02/shav-s02.html

Mom tried to get him help and turned him in. The system still failed

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In Europe we had academically selective schools where you take an IQ test age 11 and if you're bright you go to the learning school and if you're not you go to the other school for messing about. That stops a lot of those negative interactions between kids who are just there to mess around (or worse) and kids trying to learn. While American public schools have no vetting process whatsoever. You might have raised a functional and smart child in a ideal environment, but once you sent them to public school you expose them to an ethos of bullies, future criminals, children of single moms, children on drugs, lunatic teachers, apathetic administration, and so forth.

Wow. So at age 11 the government decides whether you are "worthy" or just a throwaway? So progressive.

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Anonymous wrote:In Europe we had academically selective schools where you take an IQ test age 11 and if you're bright you go to the learning school and if you're not you go to the other school for messing about. That stops a lot of those negative interactions between kids who are just there to mess around (or worse) and kids trying to learn. While American public schools have no vetting process whatsoever. You might have raised a functional and smart child in a ideal environment, but once you sent them to public school you expose them to an ethos of bullies, future criminals, children of single moms, children on drugs, lunatic teachers, apathetic administration, and so forth.

Wow. So at age 11 the government decides whether you are "worthy" or just a throwaway? So progressive.

IKR?! That’s pretty horrific.