FCPS not following the new state models

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do we opt our children out of that screener? That is crazy.

That isn’t the screener.

PP is spreading misinformation.

Republicans are so vile.

+1
Right out of the playbook. Repeat enough times and people will believe it. I’m surprised the posts aren’t made in all caps.

Oh, please. the questions are still in a survey.

But, what could be more misinformation than to say that boys can be girls? And, to teach the kids that this is okay.

Example: women are now "egg producers" in some gender facilities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do we opt our children out of that screener? That is crazy.

That isn’t the screener.

PP is spreading misinformation.

Republicans are so vile.

+1
Right out of the playbook. Repeat enough times and people will believe it. I’m surprised the posts aren’t made in all caps.

So none of the questions in the Youth survey the PP pasted on this thread are being asked? Or are they? Those questions are insane and if they are being asked I would like to opt my kids out of them. Is it SEL, FLE or what? What subject do I need to opt out to prevent my kids from having to answer such personal questions AT SCHOOL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do we opt our children out of that screener? That is crazy.

That isn’t the screener.

PP is spreading misinformation.

Republicans are so vile.

+1
Right out of the playbook. Repeat enough times and people will believe it. I’m surprised the posts aren’t made in all caps.

Oh, please. the questions are still in a survey.

But, what could be more misinformation than to say that boys can be girls? And, to teach the kids that this is okay.

Example: women are now "egg producers" in some gender facilities.

It's funny how that one little word makes all the difference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do we opt our children out of that screener? That is crazy.

That isn’t the screener.

PP is spreading misinformation.

Republicans are so vile.

+1
Right out of the playbook. Repeat enough times and people will believe it. I’m surprised the posts aren’t made in all caps.

Oh, please. the questions are still in a survey.

But, what could be more misinformation than to say that boys can be girls? And, to teach the kids that this is okay.

Example: women are now "egg producers" in some gender facilities.

"It's in some survey somewhere."

Go away, MAGA troll. You don't even have kids in FCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:First, IMO this important information to gather at the high school so we know what supports and interventions are needed. We can’t solve problems unless we know what problems we have.

Second, if you disagree with #1, fine. The survey is voluntary. You can opt your kid out. Your kid can opt themselves out.

Third, this they are tracking your kid and can link survey data to them talking point is a lie that gets constantly raised and shot down on here. Telling a lie often enough does not make it true. It’s late, so I’ll just leave the FAQ here.

https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/data/youth-survey-frequently-asked-questions

In the opinion of most parents, the only important information to gather from high high schoolers is how well prepared they are (or not) to apply for college or a job after HS to identify the necessary support and intervention needed. Parents are included in this effort, they are not purposely kept in the dark. That applies to MS and ES as well.

Any time children are asked about their sexual orientation by an adult is crossing their boundaries. We would report a neighbor who would initiate that conversation with our kids. Adults inquiring this information from our kids at school is normalizing this intrusive behavior on children.

School issued computers are linked to each student, so there is no such a thing as anonymity. FCPS IT safeguards didn’t prevent hackers from breaking into their system in the past. Just because you are not fully informed of security issues that threaten the safety of our children doesn’t make them a lie. I’ll leave this here for you:

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/hackers-break-into-fcps-network-hold-personal-info-for-ransom/2416279/

Well said. Wish FCPS would focus on academics and basic operations and not SEL and promoting identity politics.

It does. How many minutes a day do you think a day/week are spent on SEL lessons? As an elementary school teacher I can tell you it’s significantly less than you guys probably think.

It doesn't matter.

Make the surveys opt in, not opt out.

Then the dozen or so parents across FCPS who want their kids to list their sexual preferences, experience with different sex acts, depression and mental health, and self identify as a bully, racist or gang member on their school laptops are welcome to sign up their kids for the experience.

Everyone else can use their laptops for math and writing, while keeping their private details private.

Opt in works for the parents who want to share all that private information in an identifiable way, and the rest of the parent who are tired of the intrusion and waste of learning time.

Giving parents - and students - the chance to opt-out is very reasonable. No one has to answer anything.

A (liberal) neighbor did a tally last year. Between her 2 kids, there were something like 12-13 opt outs that came home last year.

Some were sent by paper and would not have made it out of the backpack if she wasn't checking. Some were digital on SIS. Some notifications came via FCPS email where a parent has to click on a link, of which she received no less than 5 or 6 such emails per week, 1 from each school, several school board members and a Reid email. This is mixed in with the dozen or so teacher emails, PTA emails, scout emails, club emails and coach/sports emails each week.

The opt outs are not easily accessible, nor are they in a single list with a detailed description of the data gathered, by whom, how it is stored, the duration of storage and whether it is monetized.

The opt outs do not come with a warning letting parents know that all answers are linked to their individual student and their laptop.

The opt outs do not contain a warning of how often FCPS has had data breaches of personal, identifying information of teachers and students alike, including teacher financial information and student health, mental health, discipline and special ed data.

Many of these questions, including many of the SEL questions, are mental health questions that should be protected by HIPPA, especially since the information is not anonymous and is linked to an individual minor student who has no understanding of their HIPPA privacy rights. The students and their information should be protected by the highest level of privacy. Instead, the information is monetized by FCPS and sent to a private for profit company with zero HIPPA privacy protections. There is no HIPPA notification with these survey questions.

The opt outs do not contain a student data privacy statement from FCPS, explaining how they are safeguarding this information that is linked to your minor student who is unable to give consent to the sharing of this information.

An opt out method is designed to catch busy parents and limited English speaking parents unaware, so they miss the information and the opportunity to opt out. The opt out method is designed to give the illusion of parent involvement and informed consent, when in reality it does quite the opposite.

Informed consent should be consent

It should not be not opt out by default with FCPS hoping they catch the parents unaware, distracted or busy.

An opt in model is informed consent.

And opt out model is not.

And on the note of the SEL screener many of the questions asked are the same type of questions asked by a pediatrician or mental health professional during a routine medical screening. The difference is, at a pediatrician or counselors office, before a minor answers these questions, their parent signs HIPPA consent. The surveys are given 1:1 or privately, in a health setting or by a trained health professional, not in a classroom of 30 of their peers, friends and enemies, by a non trained in mental health teacher, in a completely uncontrolled setting with no parent explicit permission or consent.

These surveys, particularly the SEL screener and the County Youth surveys that ask questions about mental health, are a violation of student rights.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do we opt our children out of that screener? That is crazy.

That isn’t the screener.

PP is spreading misinformation.

Republicans are so vile.

+1
Right out of the playbook. Repeat enough times and people will believe it. I’m surprised the posts aren’t made in all caps.

Oh, please. the questions are still in a survey.

But, what could be more misinformation than to say that boys can be girls? And, to teach the kids that this is okay.

Example: women are now "egg producers" in some gender facilities.

"It's in some survey somewhere."

Go away, MAGA troll. You don't even have kids in FCPS.

Is is...here you go.

https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/forms/SSAW-FFX-Youth-Survey-8-10-12.pdf

[Anonymous]

The Fairfax County School Board and the Fairfax County Board of Supervisors work together to administer the Fairfax County Youth Survey. The survey is given to all students in grades 6, 8, 10, and 12 each fall. It provides a wealth of information about a variety of topics related to our youth that influence their physical and mental well being, from sleep and nutritional habits to substance abuse behaviors to symptoms of depression and suicidal thoughts.

[Anonymous]

+1 to the opt in model.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do we opt our children out of that screener? That is crazy.

That isn’t the screener.

PP is spreading misinformation.

Republicans are so vile.

The questions are from the County Youth survey given to all 8th, 10th and 12th graders in their classrooms on their FCPS laptops each year. All students are automatically given the survey, unless the parents explicitly know to opt out.

The survey is only available in archived format. It used to be publicly available, but the county knows how controversial it is so they moved the link to archives.

It is not available for non English speaking parents to view, so recent immigrants who only speak Spanish, Urdu or any other language are likely unaware that their minor children are being surveyed in this manner and detail on these topics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do we opt our children out of that screener? That is crazy.

That isn’t the screener.

PP is spreading misinformation.

Republicans are so vile.

+1
Right out of the playbook. Repeat enough times and people will believe it. I’m surprised the posts aren’t made in all caps.

The information can be found online.

The poster clearly identified the questions as being from the County Youth Survey given to all 8th, 10th and 12th graders.

The political trolling by the person(s) attached to collecting student data of other people's mi or children is astounding.

This is not a partisan issue

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:First, IMO this important information to gather at the high school so we know what supports and interventions are needed. We can’t solve problems unless we know what problems we have.

Second, if you disagree with #1, fine. The survey is voluntary. You can opt your kid out. Your kid can opt themselves out.

Third, this they are tracking your kid and can link survey data to them talking point is a lie that gets constantly raised and shot down on here. Telling a lie often enough does not make it true. It’s late, so I’ll just leave the FAQ here.

https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/data/youth-survey-frequently-asked-questions

In the opinion of most parents, the only important information to gather from high high schoolers is how well prepared they are (or not) to apply for college or a job after HS to identify the necessary support and intervention needed. Parents are included in this effort, they are not purposely kept in the dark. That applies to MS and ES as well.

Any time children are asked about their sexual orientation by an adult is crossing their boundaries. We would report a neighbor who would initiate that conversation with our kids. Adults inquiring this information from our kids at school is normalizing this intrusive behavior on children.

School issued computers are linked to each student, so there is no such a thing as anonymity. FCPS IT safeguards didn’t prevent hackers from breaking into their system in the past. Just because you are not fully informed of security issues that threaten the safety of our children doesn’t make them a lie. I’ll leave this here for you:

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/hackers-break-into-fcps-network-hold-personal-info-for-ransom/2416279/

Well said. Wish FCPS would focus on academics and basic operations and not SEL and promoting identity politics.

It does. How many minutes a day do you think a day/week are spent on SEL lessons? As an elementary school teacher I can tell you it’s significantly less than you guys probably think.

It doesn't matter.

Make the surveys opt in, not opt out.

Then the dozen or so parents across FCPS who want their kids to list their sexual preferences, experience with different sex acts, depression and mental health, and self identify as a bully, racist or gang member on their school laptops are welcome to sign up their kids for the experience.

Everyone else can use their laptops for math and writing, while keeping their private details private.

Opt in works for the parents who want to share all that private information in an identifiable way, and the rest of the parent who are tired of the intrusion and waste of learning time.

Giving parents - and students - the chance to opt-out is very reasonable. No one has to answer anything.

A (liberal) neighbor did a tally last year. Between her 2 kids, there were something like 12-13 opt outs that came home last year.

Some were sent by paper and would not have made it out of the backpack if she wasn't checking. Some were digital on SIS. Some notifications came via FCPS email where a parent has to click on a link, of which she received no less than 5 or 6 such emails per week, 1 from each school, several school board members and a Reid email. This is mixed in with the dozen or so teacher emails, PTA emails, scout emails, club emails and coach/sports emails each week.

The opt outs are not easily accessible, nor are they in a single list with a detailed description of the data gathered, by whom, how it is stored, the duration of storage and whether it is monetized.

The opt outs do not come with a warning letting parents know that all answers are linked to their individual student and their laptop.

The opt outs do not contain a warning of how often FCPS has had data breaches of personal, identifying information of teachers and students alike, including teacher financial information and student health, mental health, discipline and special ed data.

Many of these questions, including many of the SEL questions, are mental health questions that should be protected by HIPPA, especially since the information is not anonymous and is linked to an individual minor student who has no understanding of their HIPPA privacy rights. The students and their information should be protected by the highest level of privacy. Instead, the information is monetized by FCPS and sent to a private for profit company with zero HIPPA privacy protections. There is no HIPPA notification with these survey questions.

The opt outs do not contain a student data privacy statement from FCPS, explaining how they are safeguarding this information that is linked to your minor student who is unable to give consent to the sharing of this information.

An opt out method is designed to catch busy parents and limited English speaking parents unaware, so they miss the information and the opportunity to opt out. The opt out method is designed to give the illusion of parent involvement and informed consent, when in reality it does quite the opposite.

Informed consent should be consent

It should not be not opt out by default with FCPS hoping they catch the parents unaware, distracted or busy.

An opt in model is informed consent.

And opt out model is not.

And on the note of the SEL screener many of the questions asked are the same type of questions asked by a pediatrician or mental health professional during a routine medical screening. The difference is, at a pediatrician or counselors office, before a minor answers these questions, their parent signs HIPPA consent. The surveys are given 1:1 or privately, in a health setting or by a trained health professional, not in a classroom of 30 of their peers, friends and enemies, by a non trained in mental health teacher, in a completely uncontrolled setting with no parent explicit permission or consent.

These surveys, particularly the SEL screener and the County Youth surveys that ask questions about mental health, are a violation of student rights.

The kid can opt-out at any time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FAIRFAX County Youth survey:

Question #5 asks if the kid is transgender or not sure if they are transfender

#6 asks if they are straight, gay, bi or unsure

#19 asks if there are lots of chances for students to talk to the teachers one on one

#32 & 33 ask about if there are lots of adults in the neighborhood that the kid can talk to about things.
(For some reason, the answers for this particular set of questions 32&33 have all caps and double exclamation points)

Questions #40- 52 ask about the parents, the parents views on alcohol, smoking, vaping and drugs, and whether the parents yell.

#55-56 ask how often the kid bullies others

#57-59 ask how often the kid carries weapons and what types

#60 asks how often the kid says racist things

#64 asks how often your parent teases, taunts or bullies you

#65 asks how often your parent is physical with you

#66 asks how often the kid has been sexually assaulted

#67 asks how often the kid drives drunk

#68 asks how often the kid texts and drives

#69 asks how often the kid dozes off while driving

#70-71 asks about their gang activity

#72 -73 asks about controlling bf/gf behavior

#74 asks how many times their bf/gf pressures them into sex

#75 asks about abuse from gf/bf

#76 asks how many times the kid has been raped by their bf/gf

#77-80 asks about cyberbullying

#81-84 asks about suicide/suicidal thoughts/
How many attempts at suicide

#85-131 asks specific questions about alcohol use, drug use, vaping, specific drugs used and number of times (this is identifiable and linked to your minor students fcps computer)

#132 Has the minor ever had sex

#133 How old did the minor lose their virginity

#134 how many people has the minor had sex with

#135 how many people has the minor had sex with the past 3 months

#136 Did the minor use drugs when they had sex

#137 Did the minor use a condom the last time they had sex

#138 list the birth control used last time the minor had sex

#139 has the minor had oral sex

(All of these questions are identifiable and linked to your individual minor child.)

The PP said the SEL Screener contains questions about sexual behavior and identity. I linked the SEL Screener and asked the PP to identify questions that show this because ei didn’t see any. None of these examples are from that.

Nope.

The prior poster said:

"
I read the Grade 3-5 questions earlier this week. I just looked at the 6-12. I don't see any questions that ask about sexual orientation or gender identity. Which questions are you seeing? (I admit I skimmed the 6-12 survey.)
https://www.fcps.edu/stud...rades-3-12

I don't see this topic in ES FLE. I'm not familiar with the Youth Survey.

Nope.

23:04 said:
SEL; FLE; and FC Youth Survey inquire students in FCPS about their sexual orientation and gender identity multiple times per year.

The SEL Screener was then referenced (it’s broken up grades 3-5 and 6-12) and linked.

Which questions in the SEL Screener cover these topics?

Crickets. They are caught in their lies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do we opt our children out of that screener? That is crazy.

That isn’t the screener.

PP is spreading misinformation.

Republicans are so vile.

+1
Right out of the playbook. Repeat enough times and people will believe it. I’m surprised the posts aren’t made in all caps.

The information can be found online.

The poster clearly identified the questions as being from the County Youth Survey given to all 8th, 10th and 12th graders.

The political trolling by the person(s) attached to collecting student data of other people's mi or children is astounding.

This is not a partisan issue

No, we can very clearly see the posters referring to the SEL screener. Stop lying.

Guess Republicans can't make a point without lying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do we opt our children out of that screener? That is crazy.

That isn’t the screener.

PP is spreading misinformation.

Republicans are so vile.

+1
Right out of the playbook. Repeat enough times and people will believe it. I’m surprised the posts aren’t made in all caps.

Oh, please. the questions are still in a survey.

But, what could be more misinformation than to say that boys can be girls? And, to teach the kids that this is okay.

Example: women are now "egg producers" in some gender facilities.

Bigots gonna bigot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do we opt our children out of that screener? That is crazy.

That isn’t the screener.

PP is spreading misinformation.

Republicans are so vile.

+1
Right out of the playbook. Repeat enough times and people will believe it. I’m surprised the posts aren’t made in all caps.

So none of the questions in the Youth survey the PP pasted on this thread are being asked? Or are they? Those questions are insane and if they are being asked I would like to opt my kids out of them. Is it SEL, FLE or what? What subject do I need to opt out to prevent my kids from having to answer such personal questions AT SCHOOL.

Google Fairfax County Youth Survey.

Go to the page.

Click on the link for archived information.

The actual survey quoted is listed there.

The survey asks all of those questions summarized in that post

You can download and read it.

The survey is given each year to all 8th, 10th and 12th graders in FCPS unless their parents opt out.

The initial topic of this thread is FCPS refusing to switch to an opt in format for all surveys administered to your minor child, instead of the current opt in.

Some posters are (legitimately) concerned about the SEL survey.

Many of us with older kids are very concerned about the county youth survey due to the intrusive nature of the questions and the fact that it is no longer anonymous as it is administered by fcps laptop and not by paper.


If FCPS were to follow the governor's guidance, then the youth survey would also switch to opt in.

FCPS refusing to follow the guidance is not solelh about the SEL screener, which has its own set of issues.

It is also about the youth survey.

The person so vehemently against parental consent has political or financial motives not related to the well being or privacy of minor students.

Any time someone is this aggressive about someone else's children on private issues like this, every parents spidey sense shoukd start tingling.

Again, this is not a liberal vs conservative issue.

The person making it into one is showing their true colors.

Liberal parents want their kids data protected too.