FCPS not following the new state models

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:First, IMO this important information to gather at the high school so we know what supports and interventions are needed. We can’t solve problems unless we know what problems we have.

Second, if you disagree with #1, fine. The survey is voluntary. You can opt your kid out. Your kid can opt themselves out.

Third, this they are tracking your kid and can link survey data to them talking point is a lie that gets constantly raised and shot down on here. Telling a lie often enough does not make it true. It’s late, so I’ll just leave the FAQ here.

https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/data/youth-survey-frequently-asked-questions

In the opinion of most parents, the only important information to gather from high high schoolers is how well prepared they are (or not) to apply for college or a job after HS to identify the necessary support and intervention needed. Parents are included in this effort, they are not purposely kept in the dark. That applies to MS and ES as well.

Any time children are asked about their sexual orientation by an adult is crossing their boundaries. We would report a neighbor who would initiate that conversation with our kids. Adults inquiring this information from our kids at school is normalizing this intrusive behavior on children.

School issued computers are linked to each student, so there is no such a thing as anonymity. FCPS IT safeguards didn’t prevent hackers from breaking into their system in the past. Just because you are not fully informed of security issues that threaten the safety of our children doesn’t make them a lie. I’ll leave this here for you:

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/hackers-break-into-fcps-network-hold-personal-info-for-ransom/2416279/

Well said. Wish FCPS would focus on academics and basic operations and not SEL and promoting identity politics.

It does. How many minutes a day do you think a day/week are spent on SEL lessons? As an elementary school teacher I can tell you it’s significantly less than you guys probably think.

Even one minute is too much time on SEL. Stick to the basics and leave the rest to the parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:First, IMO this important information to gather at the high school so we know what supports and interventions are needed. We can’t solve problems unless we know what problems we have.

Second, if you disagree with #1, fine. The survey is voluntary. You can opt your kid out. Your kid can opt themselves out.

Third, this they are tracking your kid and can link survey data to them talking point is a lie that gets constantly raised and shot down on here. Telling a lie often enough does not make it true. It’s late, so I’ll just leave the FAQ here.

https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/data/youth-survey-frequently-asked-questions

In the opinion of most parents, the only important information to gather from high high schoolers is how well prepared they are (or not) to apply for college or a job after HS to identify the necessary support and intervention needed. Parents are included in this effort, they are not purposely kept in the dark. That applies to MS and ES as well.

Any time children are asked about their sexual orientation by an adult is crossing their boundaries. We would report a neighbor who would initiate that conversation with our kids. Adults inquiring this information from our kids at school is normalizing this intrusive behavior on children.

School issued computers are linked to each student, so there is no such a thing as anonymity. FCPS IT safeguards didn’t prevent hackers from breaking into their system in the past. Just because you are not fully informed of security issues that threaten the safety of our children doesn’t make them a lie. I’ll leave this here for you:

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/hackers-break-into-fcps-network-hold-personal-info-for-ransom/2416279/

Well said. Wish FCPS would focus on academics and basic operations and not SEL and promoting identity politics.

It does. How many minutes a day do you think a day/week are spent on SEL lessons? As an elementary school teacher I can tell you it’s significantly less than you guys probably think.

The SEL screener is not the only exposure students have to SEL at school. As a teacher, you may be interested on this video to understand this assertion. You may not agree with everything in it, but at least you’ll understand better why parents disagree, or at least will be prepared to answer their concerns with a sound rebuttal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcxHJlmszb0

So you link to a homeschool nut to tell a teacher what is happening in a classroom?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:First, IMO this important information to gather at the high school so we know what supports and interventions are needed. We can’t solve problems unless we know what problems we have.

Second, if you disagree with #1, fine. The survey is voluntary. You can opt your kid out. Your kid can opt themselves out.

Third, this they are tracking your kid and can link survey data to them talking point is a lie that gets constantly raised and shot down on here. Telling a lie often enough does not make it true. It’s late, so I’ll just leave the FAQ here.

https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/data/youth-survey-frequently-asked-questions

In the opinion of most parents, the only important information to gather from high high schoolers is how well prepared they are (or not) to apply for college or a job after HS to identify the necessary support and intervention needed. Parents are included in this effort, they are not purposely kept in the dark. That applies to MS and ES as well.

Any time children are asked about their sexual orientation by an adult is crossing their boundaries. We would report a neighbor who would initiate that conversation with our kids. Adults inquiring this information from our kids at school is normalizing this intrusive behavior on children.

School issued computers are linked to each student, so there is no such a thing as anonymity. FCPS IT safeguards didn’t prevent hackers from breaking into their system in the past. Just because you are not fully informed of security issues that threaten the safety of our children doesn’t make them a lie. I’ll leave this here for you:

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/hackers-break-into-fcps-network-hold-personal-info-for-ransom/2416279/

Well said. Wish FCPS would focus on academics and basic operations and not SEL and promoting identity politics.

It does. How many minutes a day do you think a day/week are spent on SEL lessons? As an elementary school teacher I can tell you it’s significantly less than you guys probably think.

Even one minute is too much time on SEL. Stick to the basics and leave the rest to the parents.

How old are your kids? What SEL topics did they cover last year in school? Do you even know? It’s not some boogeyman.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:First, IMO this important information to gather at the high school so we know what supports and interventions are needed. We can’t solve problems unless we know what problems we have.

Second, if you disagree with #1, fine. The survey is voluntary. You can opt your kid out. Your kid can opt themselves out.

Third, this they are tracking your kid and can link survey data to them talking point is a lie that gets constantly raised and shot down on here. Telling a lie often enough does not make it true. It’s late, so I’ll just leave the FAQ here.

https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/data/youth-survey-frequently-asked-questions

In the opinion of most parents, the only important information to gather from high high schoolers is how well prepared they are (or not) to apply for college or a job after HS to identify the necessary support and intervention needed. Parents are included in this effort, they are not purposely kept in the dark. That applies to MS and ES as well.

Any time children are asked about their sexual orientation by an adult is crossing their boundaries. We would report a neighbor who would initiate that conversation with our kids. Adults inquiring this information from our kids at school is normalizing this intrusive behavior on children.

School issued computers are linked to each student, so there is no such a thing as anonymity. FCPS IT safeguards didn’t prevent hackers from breaking into their system in the past. Just because you are not fully informed of security issues that threaten the safety of our children doesn’t make them a lie. I’ll leave this here for you:

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/hackers-break-into-fcps-network-hold-personal-info-for-ransom/2416279/

Well said. Wish FCPS would focus on academics and basic operations and not SEL and promoting identity politics.

It does. How many minutes a day do you think a day/week are spent on SEL lessons? As an elementary school teacher I can tell you it’s significantly less than you guys probably think.

The SEL screener is not the only exposure students have to SEL at school. As a teacher, you may be interested on this video to understand this assertion. You may not agree with everything in it, but at least you’ll understand better why parents disagree, or at least will be prepared to answer their concerns with a sound rebuttal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcxHJlmszb0

So you link to a homeschool nut to tell a teacher what is happening in a classroom?

Pretty sure the anti-SEL people don’t have kids in FCPS. Or maybe don’t have kids at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:First, IMO this important information to gather at the high school so we know what supports and interventions are needed. We can’t solve problems unless we know what problems we have.

Second, if you disagree with #1, fine. The survey is voluntary. You can opt your kid out. Your kid can opt themselves out.

Third, this they are tracking your kid and can link survey data to them talking point is a lie that gets constantly raised and shot down on here. Telling a lie often enough does not make it true. It’s late, so I’ll just leave the FAQ here.

https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/data/youth-survey-frequently-asked-questions

In the opinion of most parents, the only important information to gather from high high schoolers is how well prepared they are (or not) to apply for college or a job after HS to identify the necessary support and intervention needed. Parents are included in this effort, they are not purposely kept in the dark. That applies to MS and ES as well.

Any time children are asked about their sexual orientation by an adult is crossing their boundaries. We would report a neighbor who would initiate that conversation with our kids. Adults inquiring this information from our kids at school is normalizing this intrusive behavior on children.

School issued computers are linked to each student, so there is no such a thing as anonymity. FCPS IT safeguards didn’t prevent hackers from breaking into their system in the past. Just because you are not fully informed of security issues that threaten the safety of our children doesn’t make them a lie. I’ll leave this here for you:

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/hackers-break-into-fcps-network-hold-personal-info-for-ransom/2416279/

Well said. Wish FCPS would focus on academics and basic operations and not SEL and promoting identity politics.

It does. How many minutes a day do you think a day/week are spent on SEL lessons? As an elementary school teacher I can tell you it’s significantly less than you guys probably think.

It doesn't matter.

Make the surveys opt in, not opt out.

Then the dozen or so parents across FCPS who want their kids to list their sexual preferences, experience with different sex acts, depression and mental health, and self identify as a bully, racist or gang member on their school laptops are welcome to sign up their kids for the experience.

Everyone else can use their laptops for math and writing, while keeping their private details private.

Opt in works for the parents who want to share all that private information in an identifiable way, and the rest of the parent who are tired of the intrusion and waste of learning time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:First, IMO this important information to gather at the high school so we know what supports and interventions are needed. We can’t solve problems unless we know what problems we have.

Second, if you disagree with #1, fine. The survey is voluntary. You can opt your kid out. Your kid can opt themselves out.

Third, this they are tracking your kid and can link survey data to them talking point is a lie that gets constantly raised and shot down on here. Telling a lie often enough does not make it true. It’s late, so I’ll just leave the FAQ here.

https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/data/youth-survey-frequently-asked-questions

In the opinion of most parents, the only important information to gather from high high schoolers is how well prepared they are (or not) to apply for college or a job after HS to identify the necessary support and intervention needed. Parents are included in this effort, they are not purposely kept in the dark. That applies to MS and ES as well.

Any time children are asked about their sexual orientation by an adult is crossing their boundaries. We would report a neighbor who would initiate that conversation with our kids. Adults inquiring this information from our kids at school is normalizing this intrusive behavior on children.

School issued computers are linked to each student, so there is no such a thing as anonymity. FCPS IT safeguards didn’t prevent hackers from breaking into their system in the past. Just because you are not fully informed of security issues that threaten the safety of our children doesn’t make them a lie. I’ll leave this here for you:

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/hackers-break-into-fcps-network-hold-personal-info-for-ransom/2416279/

Well said. Wish FCPS would focus on academics and basic operations and not SEL and promoting identity politics.

It does. How many minutes a day do you think a day/week are spent on SEL lessons? As an elementary school teacher I can tell you it’s significantly less than you guys probably think.

It doesn't matter.

Make the surveys opt in, not opt out.

Then the dozen or so parents across FCPS who want their kids to list their sexual preferences, experience with different sex acts, depression and mental health, and self identify as a bully, racist or gang member on their school laptops are welcome to sign up their kids for the experience.

Everyone else can use their laptops for math and writing, while keeping their private details private.

Opt in works for the parents who want to share all that private information in an identifiable way, and the rest of the parent who are tired of the intrusion and waste of learning time.

THIS!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FAIRFAX County Youth survey:

Question #5 asks if the kid is transgender or not sure if they are transfender

#6 asks if they are straight, gay, bi or unsure

#19 asks if there are lots of chances for students to talk to the teachers one on one

#32 & 33 ask about if there are lots of adults in the neighborhood that the kid can talk to about things.
(For some reason, the answers for this particular set of questions 32&33 have all caps and double exclamation points)

Questions #40- 52 ask about the parents, the parents views on alcohol, smoking, vaping and drugs, and whether the parents yell.

#55-56 ask how often the kid bullies others

#57-59 ask how often the kid carries weapons and what types

#60 asks how often the kid says racist things

#64 asks how often your parent teases, taunts or bullies you

#65 asks how often your parent is physical with you

#66 asks how often the kid has been sexually assaulted

#67 asks how often the kid drives drunk

#68 asks how often the kid texts and drives

#69 asks how often the kid dozes off while driving

#70-71 asks about their gang activity

#72 -73 asks about controlling bf/gf behavior

#74 asks how many times their bf/gf pressures them into sex

#75 asks about abuse from gf/bf

#76 asks how many times the kid has been raped by their bf/gf

#77-80 asks about cyberbullying

#81-84 asks about suicide/suicidal thoughts/
How many attempts at suicide

#85-131 asks specific questions about alcohol use, drug use, vaping, specific drugs used and number of times (this is identifiable and linked to your minor students fcps computer)

#132 Has the minor ever had sex

#133 How old did the minor lose their virginity

#134 how many people has the minor had sex with

#135 how many people has the minor had sex with the past 3 months

#136 Did the minor use drugs when they had sex

#137 Did the minor use a condom the last time they had sex

#138 list the birth control used last time the minor had sex

#139 has the minor had oral sex

(All of these questions are identifiable and linked to your individual minor child.)

The PP said the SEL Screener contains questions about sexual behavior and identity. I linked the SEL Screener and asked the PP to identify questions that show this because ei didn’t see any. None of these examples are from that.

Nope.

The prior poster said:

"
I read the Grade 3-5 questions earlier this week. I just looked at the 6-12. I don't see any questions that ask about sexual orientation or gender identity. Which questions are you seeing? (I admit I skimmed the 6-12 survey.)
https://www.fcps.edu/stud...rades-3-12

I don't see this topic in ES FLE. I'm not familiar with the Youth Survey.

[Anonymous]

How do we opt our children out of that screener? That is crazy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:First, IMO this important information to gather at the high school so we know what supports and interventions are needed. We can’t solve problems unless we know what problems we have.

Second, if you disagree with #1, fine. The survey is voluntary. You can opt your kid out. Your kid can opt themselves out.

Third, this they are tracking your kid and can link survey data to them talking point is a lie that gets constantly raised and shot down on here. Telling a lie often enough does not make it true. It’s late, so I’ll just leave the FAQ here.

https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/data/youth-survey-frequently-asked-questions

In the opinion of most parents, the only important information to gather from high high schoolers is how well prepared they are (or not) to apply for college or a job after HS to identify the necessary support and intervention needed. Parents are included in this effort, they are not purposely kept in the dark. That applies to MS and ES as well.

Any time children are asked about their sexual orientation by an adult is crossing their boundaries. We would report a neighbor who would initiate that conversation with our kids. Adults inquiring this information from our kids at school is normalizing this intrusive behavior on children.

School issued computers are linked to each student, so there is no such a thing as anonymity. FCPS IT safeguards didn’t prevent hackers from breaking into their system in the past. Just because you are not fully informed of security issues that threaten the safety of our children doesn’t make them a lie. I’ll leave this here for you:

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/hackers-break-into-fcps-network-hold-personal-info-for-ransom/2416279/

Well said. Wish FCPS would focus on academics and basic operations and not SEL and promoting identity politics.

It does. How many minutes a day do you think a day/week are spent on SEL lessons? As an elementary school teacher I can tell you it’s significantly less than you guys probably think.

It doesn't matter.

Make the surveys opt in, not opt out.

Then the dozen or so parents across FCPS who want their kids to list their sexual preferences, experience with different sex acts, depression and mental health, and self identify as a bully, racist or gang member on their school laptops are welcome to sign up their kids for the experience.

Everyone else can use their laptops for math and writing, while keeping their private details private.

Opt in works for the parents who want to share all that private information in an identifiable way, and the rest of the parent who are tired of the intrusion and waste of learning time.

Giving parents - and students - the chance to opt-out is very reasonable. No one has to answer anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How do we opt our children out of that screener? That is crazy.

That isn’t the screener.

PP is spreading misinformation.

Republicans are so vile.

[Anonymous]

Why is there such an aggressive resistance to FCPS using an OPT IN model for all surveys?

What are your objections and why are they so passionate?

Parents of FCPS, liberal and conservative, almost universally prefer the opt in format. I understand that many of you pro student data gathering people do not have kids and are political activists, but why such a passion for surveying other peoples kids? Is is just political to fight Youngkin at every turn, even when his administration comes of with a good idea that has wide range support? Must everything be a political fight?

Opt in allows you to mine the student data as you desire, but limits the data mining to the kids whose parents actively want their kids information to be collected and shared. Are you afraid that no one will sign up their kids to share this information?

The passion by the handful of non parents on this thread for required student surveys is odd, honestly. It makes me thing that perhaps they are none FCPS parents with a financial incentive connected to these surveys and out minor children's data. Perhaps Panorama employees? Or someone from Gatehouse?

[Anonymous]

OK, for anyone like me who was clueless about all this here is the information on how to opt out (from FCPS website). I have a second grader so I guess I won't have to worry about all this until next year. I'm flabbergasted at those questions.



Parents and guardians who prefer that their child not take part in the SEL Screener can either complete the opt-out in SIS ParentVUE or fill out and return the testing notification letter to your child's school. Parents can find the testing notification letter and opt-out form in the annual notice packet provided to families each fall. Opt-out decisions must be documented each academic year. More information is also available specifically about SEL Screener participation and opting out of participation.

If you are interested in having your child’s screener data deleted from a previous SEL screener administration, please contact your student’s school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FAIRFAX County Youth survey:

Question #5 asks if the kid is transgender or not sure if they are transfender

#6 asks if they are straight, gay, bi or unsure

#19 asks if there are lots of chances for students to talk to the teachers one on one

#32 & 33 ask about if there are lots of adults in the neighborhood that the kid can talk to about things.
(For some reason, the answers for this particular set of questions 32&33 have all caps and double exclamation points)

Questions #40- 52 ask about the parents, the parents views on alcohol, smoking, vaping and drugs, and whether the parents yell.

#55-56 ask how often the kid bullies others

#57-59 ask how often the kid carries weapons and what types

#60 asks how often the kid says racist things

#64 asks how often your parent teases, taunts or bullies you

#65 asks how often your parent is physical with you

#66 asks how often the kid has been sexually assaulted

#67 asks how often the kid drives drunk

#68 asks how often the kid texts and drives

#69 asks how often the kid dozes off while driving

#70-71 asks about their gang activity

#72 -73 asks about controlling bf/gf behavior

#74 asks how many times their bf/gf pressures them into sex

#75 asks about abuse from gf/bf

#76 asks how many times the kid has been raped by their bf/gf

#77-80 asks about cyberbullying

#81-84 asks about suicide/suicidal thoughts/
How many attempts at suicide

#85-131 asks specific questions about alcohol use, drug use, vaping, specific drugs used and number of times (this is identifiable and linked to your minor students fcps computer)

#132 Has the minor ever had sex

#133 How old did the minor lose their virginity

#134 how many people has the minor had sex with

#135 how many people has the minor had sex with the past 3 months

#136 Did the minor use drugs when they had sex

#137 Did the minor use a condom the last time they had sex

#138 list the birth control used last time the minor had sex

#139 has the minor had oral sex

(All of these questions are identifiable and linked to your individual minor child.)

The PP said the SEL Screener contains questions about sexual behavior and identity. I linked the SEL Screener and asked the PP to identify questions that show this because ei didn’t see any. None of these examples are from that.

Nope.

The prior poster said:

"
I read the Grade 3-5 questions earlier this week. I just looked at the 6-12. I don't see any questions that ask about sexual orientation or gender identity. Which questions are you seeing? (I admit I skimmed the 6-12 survey.)
https://www.fcps.edu/stud...rades-3-12

I don't see this topic in ES FLE. I'm not familiar with the Youth Survey.

Nope.

23:04 said:
SEL; FLE; and FC Youth Survey inquire students in FCPS about their sexual orientation and gender identity multiple times per year.

The SEL Screener was then referenced (it’s broken up grades 3-5 and 6-12) and linked.

Which questions in the SEL Screener cover these topics?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OK, for anyone like me who was clueless about all this here is the information on how to opt out (from FCPS website). I have a second grader so I guess I won't have to worry about all this until next year. I'm flabbergasted at those questions.



Parents and guardians who prefer that their child not take part in the SEL Screener can either complete the opt-out in SIS ParentVUE or fill out and return the testing notification letter to your child's school. Parents can find the testing notification letter and opt-out form in the annual notice packet provided to families each fall. Opt-out decisions must be documented each academic year. More information is also available specifically about SEL Screener participation and opting out of participation.

If you are interested in having your child’s screener data deleted from a previous SEL screener administration, please contact your student’s school.

With which questions in the SEL Screener are you flabbergasted?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do we opt our children out of that screener? That is crazy.

That isn’t the screener.

PP is spreading misinformation.

Republicans are so vile.

+1
Right out of the playbook. Repeat enough times and people will believe it. I’m surprised the posts aren’t made in all caps.