FCPS not following the new state models

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Anonymous wrote:First, IMO this important information to gather at the high school so we know what supports and interventions are needed. We can’t solve problems unless we know what problems we have.

Second, if you disagree with #1, fine. The survey is voluntary. You can opt your kid out. Your kid can opt themselves out.

Third, this they are tracking your kid and can link survey data to them talking point is a lie that gets constantly raised and shot down on here. Telling a lie often enough does not make it true. It’s late, so I’ll just leave the FAQ here.

https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/data/youth-survey-frequently-asked-questions

In the opinion of most parents, the only important information to gather from high high schoolers is how well prepared they are (or not) to apply for college or a job after HS to identify the necessary support and intervention needed. Parents are included in this effort, they are not purposely kept in the dark. That applies to MS and ES as well.

Any time children are asked about their sexual orientation by an adult is crossing their boundaries. We would report a neighbor who would initiate that conversation with our kids. Adults inquiring this information from our kids at school is normalizing this intrusive behavior on children.

School issued computers are linked to each student, so there is no such a thing as anonymity. FCPS IT safeguards didn’t prevent hackers from breaking into their system in the past. Just because you are not fully informed of security issues that threaten the safety of our children doesn’t make them a lie. I’ll leave this here for you:

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/hackers-break-into-fcps-network-hold-personal-info-for-ransom/2416279/

Well said. Wish FCPS would focus on academics and basic operations and not SEL and promoting identity politics.

It does. How many minutes a day do you think a day/week are spent on SEL lessons? As an elementary school teacher I can tell you it’s significantly less than you guys probably think.

Even one minute is too much time on SEL. Stick to the basics and leave the rest to the parents.

How old are your kids? What SEL topics did they cover last year in school? Do you even know? It’s not some boogeyman.

Still waiting on the answers to these.

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Anonymous wrote:You have the opportunity to opt out. What is your problem?

As fo rthis: "t is evil and wrong for the far left political activists to play politics with our minor children's privacy, data and well being."

OPT OUT and shut up. God, I am so tired of you people. Just so tired of your lies, manipulation, all of it.

Why are you offended by an opt in model?

So far, your only arguments are name calling, cursing, yelling about trump supporters and republicans, making political slurs.

You have offered no rational, concrete or adult responses or arguments against following the governor's guidance that schools shall switch to an opt in model.

What are your arguments against opt in?

Can you present them in a rational, adult manner without slurs and insults?

DP. It'd be an administrative nightmare to have families opt-in for every little thing. Nothing would get gone.

The very few people (Republicans, bigots, liars) who don't want their kids to take these surveys can just opt-out. If the kids aren't comfortable, they can opt-out.

It’s ugly and almost Orwellian to suggest that everyone who takes issue with, or has questions about, the intrusive information-gathering (or the rest of FCPS’s social and political agenda) must be a cave dweller.

There seems to be a consistent refrain of you either get with the progressive program or you can just leave. And judging from the flat/declining enrollment numbers lots of people are taking FCPS up on the suggestion and cutting ties with FCPS.

You have no idea what Orwellian means or why FCPS has seen declining numbers and it isn't just "oh, FCPS sucks," which is part of the reasoning, but not the entire story.
"Of those who departed, nearly 42 percent opted for a public school elsewhere in Virginia or the United States. Roughly 8 percent chose a school “outside the United States,” while 7 percent switched to a private or parochial school and 2 percent opted for home schooling. Other, much smaller numbers of students left for reasons including “financial hardship,” “employment,” “family” and “achievement problems.”"

Those stats have always been there. But, why are people not moving in as they always have?

Although, i think 7% choosing private is kind of high. I don't recall but a couple of my kids classmates doing that--and it was at the middle and high

school level. 7% is not an insignificant number.

It's 7% of those who have left, not 7% of the entire school system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How do we opt our children out of that screener? That is crazy.

**misinformation about screener

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FAIRFAX County Youth survey:

Question #5 asks if the kid is transgender or not sure if they are transfender

#6 asks if they are straight, gay, bi or unsure

#19 asks if there are lots of chances for students to talk to the teachers one on one

#32 & 33 ask about if there are lots of adults in the neighborhood that the kid can talk to about things.
(For some reason, the answers for this particular set of questions 32&33 have all caps and double exclamation points)

Questions #40- 52 ask about the parents, the parents views on alcohol, smoking, vaping and drugs, and whether the parents yell.

#55-56 ask how often the kid bullies others

#57-59 ask how often the kid carries weapons and what types

#60 asks how often the kid says racist things

#64 asks how often your parent teases, taunts or bullies you

#65 asks how often your parent is physical with you

#66 asks how often the kid has been sexually assaulted

#67 asks how often the kid drives drunk

#68 asks how often the kid texts and drives

#69 asks how often the kid dozes off while driving

#70-71 asks about their gang activity

#72 -73 asks about controlling bf/gf behavior

#74 asks how many times their bf/gf pressures them into sex

#75 asks about abuse from gf/bf

#76 asks how many times the kid has been raped by their bf/gf

#77-80 asks about cyberbullying

#81-84 asks about suicide/suicidal thoughts/
How many attempts at suicide

#85-131 asks specific questions about alcohol use, drug use, vaping, specific drugs used and number of times (this is identifiable and linked to your minor students fcps computer)

#132 Has the minor ever had sex

#133 How old did the minor lose their virginity

#134 how many people has the minor had sex with

#135 how many people has the minor had sex with the past 3 months

#136 Did the minor use drugs when they had sex

#137 Did the minor use a condom the last time they had sex

#138 list the birth control used last time the minor had sex

#139 has the minor had oral sex

(All of these questions are identifiable and linked to your individual minor child.)

Horrible, disgusting, and so inappropriate. This is an example of the survey that should be an opt in, not opt out. Yet we will have to continue to opt out.

We had to opt out in 6th and will def opt out in 8th.

Lies. This wasn't a 6th grade survey.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You have the opportunity to opt out. What is your problem?

As fo rthis: "t is evil and wrong for the far left political activists to play politics with our minor children's privacy, data and well being."

OPT OUT and shut up. God, I am so tired of you people. Just so tired of your lies, manipulation, all of it.

Why are you offended by an opt in model?

So far, your only arguments are name calling, cursing, yelling about trump supporters and republicans, making political slurs.

You have offered no rational, concrete or adult responses or arguments against following the governor's guidance that schools shall switch to an opt in model.

What are your arguments against opt in?

Can you present them in a rational, adult manner without slurs and insults?

DP. It'd be an administrative nightmare to have families opt-in for every little thing. Nothing would get gone.

The very few people (Republicans, bigots, liars) who don't want their kids to take these surveys can just opt-out. If the kids aren't comfortable, they can opt-out.

It’s ugly and almost Orwellian to suggest that everyone who takes issue with, or has questions about, the intrusive information-gathering (or the rest of FCPS’s social and political agenda) must be a cave dweller.

There seems to be a consistent refrain of you either get with the progressive program or you can just leave. And judging from the flat/declining enrollment numbers lots of people are taking FCPS up on the suggestion and cutting ties with FCPS.

You have no idea what Orwellian means or why FCPS has seen declining numbers and it isn't just "oh, FCPS sucks," which is part of the reasoning, but not the entire story.
"Of those who departed, nearly 42 percent opted for a public school elsewhere in Virginia or the United States. Roughly 8 percent chose a school “outside the United States,” while 7 percent switched to a private or parochial school and 2 percent opted for home schooling. Other, much smaller numbers of students left for reasons including “financial hardship,” “employment,” “family” and “achievement problems.”"

That’s 59%. What is the data on the remaining 41%?

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure that Robyn Lady was at the LGBQT rally at Jackson Middle the other night. So, we know where she falls on restrooms, locker rooms, and sports.

Citation?

And what is wrong with supporting LGBTQ kids?

https://twitter.com/RobynLadyVA

Fine to support the kids. But, it would also be nice to support the straight kids who don't want to share bathrooms, locker rooms, or sports with the opposite biological sex.

This was originally a rally to protest the state rules. Changed to a rally to celebrate FCPS policy instead. That policy allows trans kids into the restrooms, locker rooms, and hotel rooms of those of the opposite biological sex.
Sports is still "iffy" because VHSL runs that.

During school sponsored overnight trips, chaperones and staff (all adults) who may identify as transgender are able to join students in lodging accommodations and FCPS School Board and Superintendent Reid don’t think is important to notify parents ahead of time. These adults’ feelings supercede the right of parents to draw boundaries around their children, particularly when it comes to safety.

We have the activists at FCPS and Superintendent Reid to thank for such a decision. Hopefully, it won’t add to the list of law suits that are draining our resources.

Serious question, do you think men don't rape boys or women don't rape girls? Why does it matter if chaperones and staff (all adults) who may identify as transgender are able to join students in lodging accommodations? Do you think only trans people harm kids? Never non-trans people? You think their whole purpose in life is to change gender to harm kids. Never priests, politicians, or other people you know, just trans people?

Honest answer to your serious question. Parents have the right to choose if they want their kid to participate in an overnight trip where accommodations for adults who identify with a gender other than their biological sex will chaperone or supervise their kids. In order to make that decision, parents need to be aware. It is not for anyone else to assume or tell another parent what boundaries are appropriate for their kids.

Unfortunately, Pride Parades and Drag Queen shows around children have not helped differentiate those who mind their own business from those whose sole identity revolves around their sex. Not everyone agrees to have their children around the latter.

What about gay adults and bisexual adults? Do parents have a right to know the sexual orientation of chaperones too? Because that was what people like you were yelling about 15 years ago. (PS— no, you don’t have a right to find out the orientation of chaperones)

Also, tell me you don’t have a kid in FCPS without telling me you don’t have a kid in FCPS. DH and I chaperone for three different overnight activities between 2 kids at 2 HSs. We has to do a background check through FCPS and submit fingerprints. There are po”Ivies that keep us from being alone in a room with a kid— same or opposite gender. And, we certainly don’t spend the night in the same room as a student or students.

Also, the only scandals with sexual assault on field trips in FCPS that I’m aware of are heterosexual male student assuaging a young woman— see also the Oakton band trip and similar.

Parents don’t have the right to know the sexual orientation of chaperones, nor do they have any interest on finding out. Contrary to your believe, not everything revolves around sex in the lives of others.

However, parents have the right to set boundaries around their children to protect them from ideologies that find it offensive if anyone were to find out about the sexual orientation of a chaperone, YET remains silent about adults at FCPS constantly inquiring information regarding “sexual orientation” from minors through surveys and questionnaires. In fact, they find them age appropriate and developmentally necessary.

Because background checks don’t sort out common sense from radical gender ideology, parents have the right to draw boundaries to protect their kids. And because of the FCPS refusal to follow The 2023 Model Policies, now parents have the obligation to continue to do so.

DP
I've read the part in bold at least 5 times and I need you to clarify please. Which surveys are asking students about "sexual orientation"? How constant is "constantly"? What are they being asked?

it seems you don't like them but you are also saying the surveys are age appropriate and necessary?

SEL; FLE; and FC Youth Survey inquire students in FCPS about their sexual orientation and gender identity multiple times per year.

I commented on the inconsistency of the PP who assumes that parents care too much about the sexual orientation of chaperones, while not objecting to the gender activists who justify the intrusive inquiries on sexuality administered to children at school because THEY consider them age appropriate and developmentally necessary.

LIES

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FAIRFAX County Youth survey:

Question #5 asks if the kid is transgender or not sure if they are transfender

#6 asks if they are straight, gay, bi or unsure

#19 asks if there are lots of chances for students to talk to the teachers one on one

#32 & 33 ask about if there are lots of adults in the neighborhood that the kid can talk to about things.
(For some reason, the answers for this particular set of questions 32&33 have all caps and double exclamation points)

Questions #40- 52 ask about the parents, the parents views on alcohol, smoking, vaping and drugs, and whether the parents yell.

#55-56 ask how often the kid bullies others

#57-59 ask how often the kid carries weapons and what types

#60 asks how often the kid says racist things

#64 asks how often your parent teases, taunts or bullies you

#65 asks how often your parent is physical with you

#66 asks how often the kid has been sexually assaulted

#67 asks how often the kid drives drunk

#68 asks how often the kid texts and drives

#69 asks how often the kid dozes off while driving

#70-71 asks about their gang activity

#72 -73 asks about controlling bf/gf behavior

#74 asks how many times their bf/gf pressures them into sex

#75 asks about abuse from gf/bf

#76 asks how many times the kid has been raped by their bf/gf

#77-80 asks about cyberbullying

#81-84 asks about suicide/suicidal thoughts/
How many attempts at suicide

#85-131 asks specific questions about alcohol use, drug use, vaping, specific drugs used and number of times (this is identifiable and linked to your minor students fcps computer)

#132 Has the minor ever had sex

#133 How old did the minor lose their virginity

#134 how many people has the minor had sex with

#135 how many people has the minor had sex with the past 3 months

#136 Did the minor use drugs when they had sex

#137 Did the minor use a condom the last time they had sex

#138 list the birth control used last time the minor had sex

#139 has the minor had oral sex

(All of these questions are identifiable and linked to your individual minor child.)

Horrible, disgusting, and so inappropriate. This is an example of the survey that should be an opt in, not opt out. Yet we will have to continue to opt out.

We had to opt out in 6th and will def opt out in 8th.

Lies. This wasn't a 6th grade survey.

Many people opt out of the county survey in 6th. They find the whole survey intrusive and inappropriate. Why call this parent a liar for saying they opted out?

[Anonymous]

I think there is some confusion on this forum. Some are challenging people because they are confusing which survey is which.

To me, it doesn't matter. The lack of privacy and the questions on one of the surveys are inappropriate to be administered in the schools, in my opinion.

PP is challenging anyone who complains by saying it's not in the elementary survey. It doesn't matter. Parents should be REMNDED that they have the right to opt out.

Wonder if PP works in that department and fears losing a job. I've seen no information that indicates the survey is helpful.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How do we opt our children out of that screener? That is crazy.

That isn’t the screener.

PP is spreading misinformation.

Republicans are so vile.

+1
Right out of the playbook. Repeat enough times and people will believe it. I’m surprised the posts aren’t made in all caps.

So none of the questions in the Youth survey the PP pasted on this thread are being asked? Or are they? Those questions are insane and if they are being asked I would like to opt my kids out of them. Is it SEL, FLE or what? What subject do I need to opt out to prevent my kids from having to answer such personal questions AT SCHOOL.

You’re deflecting.
We have people believing that their rising third grader is going to be asked the questions that are listed in this thread. People are coming right out and emphatically stating that these are in the SEL Screener, which is a lie. People think their ES children are being asked about their sexual identity, which is false. This is not addressed in K-6. Not in the SEL Screener, not in the Youth Survey and not in FLE.
https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/forms/SSAW-FFX-Youth-Survey-6.pdf

uh, see question 3 in the 6th grade youth screener

are you:
male
female
non-binary
other

That is gender identity, not sexual identity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You have the opportunity to opt out. What is your problem?

As fo rthis: "t is evil and wrong for the far left political activists to play politics with our minor children's privacy, data and well being."

OPT OUT and shut up. God, I am so tired of you people. Just so tired of your lies, manipulation, all of it.

Why are you offended by an opt in model?

So far, your only arguments are name calling, cursing, yelling about trump supporters and republicans, making political slurs.

You have offered no rational, concrete or adult responses or arguments against following the governor's guidance that schools shall switch to an opt in model.

What are your arguments against opt in?

Can you present them in a rational, adult manner without slurs and insults?

DP. It'd be an administrative nightmare to have families opt-in for every little thing. Nothing would get gone.

The very few people (Republicans, bigots, liars) who don't want their kids to take these surveys can just opt-out. If the kids aren't comfortable, they can opt-out.

It’s ugly and almost Orwellian to suggest that everyone who takes issue with, or has questions about, the intrusive information-gathering (or the rest of FCPS’s social and political agenda) must be a cave dweller.

There seems to be a consistent refrain of you either get with the progressive program or you can just leave. And judging from the flat/declining enrollment numbers lots of people are taking FCPS up on the suggestion and cutting ties with FCPS.

You have no idea what Orwellian means or why FCPS has seen declining numbers and it isn't just "oh, FCPS sucks," which is part of the reasoning, but not the entire story.
"Of those who departed, nearly 42 percent opted for a public school elsewhere in Virginia or the United States. Roughly 8 percent chose a school “outside the United States,” while 7 percent switched to a private or parochial school and 2 percent opted for home schooling. Other, much smaller numbers of students left for reasons including “financial hardship,” “employment,” “family” and “achievement problems.”"

That’s 59%. What is the data on the remaining 41%?

Here is this year's date:https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/fcps.fts/viz/SY2022-23StudentMigrationDashboard/ReadMe

It is not nearly as dire as people here are claiming.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How do we opt our children out of that screener? That is crazy.

That isn’t the screener.

PP is spreading misinformation.

Republicans are so vile.

+1
Right out of the playbook. Repeat enough times and people will believe it. I’m surprised the posts aren’t made in all caps.

So none of the questions in the Youth survey the PP pasted on this thread are being asked? Or are they? Those questions are insane and if they are being asked I would like to opt my kids out of them. Is it SEL, FLE or what? What subject do I need to opt out to prevent my kids from having to answer such personal questions AT SCHOOL.

You’re deflecting.
We have people believing that their rising third grader is going to be asked the questions that are listed in this thread. People are coming right out and emphatically stating that these are in the SEL Screener, which is a lie. People think their ES children are being asked about their sexual identity, which is false. This is not addressed in K-6. Not in the SEL Screener, not in the Youth Survey and not in FLE.
https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/forms/SSAW-FFX-Youth-Survey-6.pdf

uh, see question 3 in the 6th grade youth screener

are you:
male
female
non-binary
other

That is gender identity, not sexual identity.

It is sad that we have come to a place who think that "changing gender" or trans whatever is a good thing.

Whatever happened to : "it's fine for girls to like boy things and boys to like girl things?"

Changing bodies to "match" your preferred gender does not change your chromosones. It does not change who you are, either. It only changes the way "you think" you present yourself to others.

Men cannot give birth. That is insulting to women.

I understand that there have always been people who may have "passed." They did not chop off body parts or go on hormones.

And, there are very rare instances of some people who do not have clear evidence of their sex--but it is certainly not the number who now claim to be trans.

What adults choose to do with their bodies is up to them. But, to have the school support a child who wants to "pass" as the other and to keep that from the parents is unacceptable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think there is some confusion on this forum. Some are challenging people because they are confusing which survey is which.

To me, it doesn't matter. The lack of privacy and the questions on one of the surveys are inappropriate to be administered in the schools, in my opinion.

PP is challenging anyone who complains by saying it's not in the elementary survey. It doesn't matter. Parents should be REMNDED that they have the right to opt out.

Wonder if PP works in that department and fears losing a job. I've seen no information that indicates the survey is helpful.

I do get the impression that the pro survey person insulting so many posters must have some personal stake in these surveys.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think there is some confusion on this forum. Some are challenging people because they are confusing which survey is which.

To me, it doesn't matter. The lack of privacy and the questions on one of the surveys are inappropriate to be administered in the schools, in my opinion.

PP is challenging anyone who complains by saying it's not in the elementary survey. It doesn't matter. Parents should be REMNDED that they have the right to opt out.

Wonder if PP works in that department and fears losing a job. I've seen no information that indicates the survey is helpful.

I do get the impression that the pro survey person insulting so many posters must have some personal stake in these surveys.

It is puzzling. But, look at wo is running the SB and the administration. Why did they decide to buck a reasonable policy? Why do they want to keep secrets from parents? It makes no sense at all to me and is not the way a school system should work.

Just look at who the SB put on the FLE committee. Activists and people from the LGBTQ community. Look at the "rally" the LGBTQ group had that ended up being a celebration of FCPS bucking the system. Look at the people running for SB who participated in it.

It would seem that these social issues trump academic needs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think there is some confusion on this forum. Some are challenging people because they are confusing which survey is which.

To me, it doesn't matter. The lack of privacy and the questions on one of the surveys are inappropriate to be administered in the schools, in my opinion.

PP is challenging anyone who complains by saying it's not in the elementary survey. It doesn't matter. Parents should be REMNDED that they have the right to opt out.

Wonder if PP works in that department and fears losing a job. I've seen no information that indicates the survey is helpful.

I do get the impression that the pro survey person insulting so many posters must have some personal stake in these surveys.

I'm just tired of people pushing lies and misinformation. AND using our kids as pawns in their political games.

I have no patience for any of this BS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How do we opt our children out of that screener? That is crazy.

That isn’t the screener.

PP is spreading misinformation.

Republicans are so vile.

+1
Right out of the playbook. Repeat enough times and people will believe it. I’m surprised the posts aren’t made in all caps.

So none of the questions in the Youth survey the PP pasted on this thread are being asked? Or are they? Those questions are insane and if they are being asked I would like to opt my kids out of them. Is it SEL, FLE or what? What subject do I need to opt out to prevent my kids from having to answer such personal questions AT SCHOOL.

You’re deflecting.
We have people believing that their rising third grader is going to be asked the questions that are listed in this thread. People are coming right out and emphatically stating that these are in the SEL Screener, which is a lie. People think their ES children are being asked about their sexual identity, which is false. This is not addressed in K-6. Not in the SEL Screener, not in the Youth Survey and not in FLE.
https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/forms/SSAW-FFX-Youth-Survey-6.pdf

uh, see question 3 in the 6th grade youth screener

are you:
male
female
non-binary
other

That is gender identity, not sexual identity.

Disagree, could cover either.