School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.

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Anonymous wrote:Update: his parents --or father and stepmother, it's not clear--met with the principal THE SAME DAY about the kid's "concerning behavior" in school. https://www.thedailybeast.com/ethan-crumbley-identified-as-oxford-high-school-michigan-mass-shooter?ref=scroll

The letter quoted in the article written by the suspect’s mother (stepmother?) to Trump was vile.

And she is convinced that they are middle class, no, you are poor. This is the problem, the mother has identified with a segment of population that she has nothing in common with. She speaks of immigrants, etc.

Of course they are conservative Trump trash!

Shocked face. And poor as dirt, so voting against their own interests. Those low information voters he loves so much.

Both of you are disgusting.

No sweetheart. It's the mom who is disgusting. I hope she gets her wish in her last sentence. During her long prison sentence.

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Teacher here. I do worry that kids are suffering mentally from the past two years of the pandemic, I’m almost surprised we aren’t having more incidents than this. I see academic problems more but I know there are underlying mental problems I’m only barely seeing.

Really concerned for our current generation of children.

As a parent and a person who has close friends who are teachers, I worry about the same thing. But remember that children all over the world have been affected by the pandemic and have been physically out of school for months or years or have had numerous disruptions to their education. But it's only in America that they are shooting up their classmates and teachers. What ails us is deeper than covid.

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Teacher here. I do worry that kids are suffering mentally from the past two years of the pandemic, I’m almost surprised we aren’t having more incidents than this. I see academic problems more but I know there are underlying mental problems I’m only barely seeing.

Really concerned for our current generation of children.

As a parent and a person who has close friends who are teachers, I worry about the same thing. But remember that children all over the world have been affected by the pandemic and have been physically out of school for months or years or have had numerous disruptions to their education. But it's only in America that they are shooting up their classmates and teachers. What ails us is deeper than covid.

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Anonymous wrote:"Sensing danger, many kids stayed home Tuesday instead of going to school, if online accounts are to be believed. One teenager told a local television station that the alleged gunman was one of those kids who gets bullied."

https://www.deadlinedetroit.com/articles/29372/leduff_as_oxford_high_gets_th_spotlight_where_do_we_go_from_herel0

The article states that bullying is NO reason at all for students to be shot. Stop trying to perpetuate the message that we are expected to kowtow to parents unwilling to parent, but instead often cry "bully!" to get their way, and to neglect and fail their child. This kid obviously needed help - and their parents instead bought and left unlocked a gun??? Just stop.

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Anonymous wrote:Update: his parents --or father and stepmother, it's not clear--met with the principal THE SAME DAY about the kid's "concerning behavior" in school. https://www.thedailybeast.com/ethan-crumbley-identified-as-oxford-high-school-michigan-mass-shooter?ref=scroll

The letter quoted in the article written by the suspect’s mother (stepmother?) to Trump was vile.

And she is convinced that they are middle class, no, you are poor. This is the problem, the mother has identified with a segment of population that she has nothing in common with. She speaks of immigrants, etc.

Of course they are conservative Trump trash!

Shocked face. And poor as dirt, so voting against their own interests. Those low information voters he loves so much.

Both of you are disgusting.

No sweetheart. It's the mom who is disgusting. I hope she gets her wish in her last sentence. During her long prison sentence.

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That mom (and dad) failed that child. No one else.

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Dozens of school districts across MI are closed today. I was a senior in HS in 1999 and it’s appalling that this has been going on for an entire generation. If I were in HS now, I’d be engaging on social media and doing sick-out protests against gun violence across the country.

https://www.clickondetroit.com/school_closings/

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2021/12/02/oxford-michigan-schools-closed/8833243002/

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Anonymous wrote:I’m curious that no one here is interested in motive. All the fixation in this thread is on that “what” and the “how”, but no one is asking about the “why”.

That’s not science.

I would bet anything he was being tormented at school for being poor, pudgy, and unathletic. Bullying is so freaking cruel and typically nobody at large high schools gives a damn.

This.

Most school and workplace shootings don’t happen in a vacuum. These kids lash out in these cases because they’ve been teased, bullied and ostracized their whole lives, and they reach their breaking point and go supernova.


Pearl Jam understood this in the song “Jeremy” 25 years ago

“…… Clearly I remember
Pickin' on the boy
Seemed a harmless little f@@k
But we unleashed the lion…. “


Bullying is the most evil, destructive thing kids can do. Because it creates Jeremy’s.


And shame on all of you here who so casually offhandedly dismiss any discussion of motive. You are disgusting, and a bully. And your own kids are probably bullies as well. You see things like this and it scares you, because it makes you consider the things you did to other children when you were younger. Or what you suspect your own kids are doing to a classmate right now. You think about what would happen if one of their victims snaps. You don’t actually care about the victim - you just care about that victim lashing out.

That’s why so many here are made so uncomfortable about any discussion of motive. And why you try to shutter any post about it.


-a formerly bullied kid now an adult

Love to you PP. You are correct.

Agree completely. I was bullied as a kid; now an adult.

The emotional scars heal slowly over a very long time, but they never go away completely.

So glad that our schools finally have good programs in place to intervene and stop bullying (FFX anyway).

Its people like the formerly bullied PP who are raising a generation of entitled kids who think its their right to strike back with deadly violence after whatever happens. BTW the school officials say this kid WASN'T bullied. He was just a dark, evil, odious individual who liked to play with guns and molotov cocktails. A born killer.

And to the FFX PP - the Broward County School District (home of Marjory Stoneman Douglas) has a $5.4 Billion annual school budget.

Didn't stop a lone misanthropist high school student from shooting and killing 17 students at once.

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What do you you do with a troubled child? Act like a troubled parent? NO. You get the kid help - and yourself, while you are at it.

My God, I can't even with these parents who cry "bully!" instead of tending to their child's needs. The school administration is tired of it, I know first hand.

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Anonymous wrote:Dozens of school districts across MI are closed today. I was a senior in HS in 1999 and it’s appalling that this has been going on for an entire generation. If I were in HS now, I’d be engaging on social media and doing sick-out protests against gun violence across the country.

https://www.clickondetroit.com/school_closings/

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2021/12/02/oxford-michigan-schools-closed/8833243002/

Those poor kids and those poor families.

Hope the shooter's parents, and those like them are proud. They may suck at parenting, but they certainly got their fifteen minutes of fame they clearly always wanted.

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Anonymous wrote:This kid is not a villain, he’s a murderer.

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Thank you. Like we should even have to explain this. WTF?

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Anonymous wrote:The bullying poster making up the bullying narrative is way, way off base. I was horrifically bullied, so much so that I needed years of therapy and I will never really be entirely free of it. The bullying included sexual assault which was egged on by a group of kids. Really awful stuff. And yet, not once did it ever occur to me to kill my tormentors.

This is something else far beyond bullying.

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Plain old terrible parenting. We should be able to call it what it is.

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Anonymous wrote:"Sensing danger, many kids stayed home Tuesday instead of going to school, if online accounts are to be believed. One teenager told a local television station that the alleged gunman was one of those kids who gets bullied."

https://www.deadlinedetroit.com/articles/29372/leduff_as_oxford_high_gets_th_spotlight_where_do_we_go_from_herel0

The article states that bullying is NO reason at all for students to be shot. Stop trying to perpetuate the message that we are expected to kowtow to parents unwilling to parent, but instead often cry "bully!" to get their way, and to neglect and fail their child. This kid obviously needed help - and their parents instead bought and left unlocked a gun??? Just stop.

This was a sweet boy just a few years ago; volunteering, compassion for the poor, he had friends and hobbies. It is OBVIOUS this meek, poor, unathletic teen boy was ruthlessly bullied in this mismanaged and overcrowded nearly 2,000 pupil high school full of bused in school of choice students. You know it, I know it. Do you expect the teens in the school to admit it? You expect the district and the apathetic administrators to admit it? Of course not. Nobody saw anything, nobody ever bothered him, the kid was invisible.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you see the blog post by the mother of the alleged shooter? The last sentence, my god.

So weird some pps are leaping to the conclusion that he was mercilessly bullied based on extremely thin evidence and ignoring other kids who say he wasn’t bullied, the fact that victims were random. AND the completely bizarre and disinhibited mom.

I would bet anyone a million dollars that this kid was not bullied, but rather he was radicalized online. Remember how the narrative came out about how the Columbine shooters were bullied by the "white hat" jocks? It was all bullshit. They were virulent white supremacists and posted it all online.

This. Look at his parents

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The mom is a realtor - so she is well practiced at the PR schtick ie: deflecting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Sensing danger, many kids stayed home Tuesday instead of going to school, if online accounts are to be believed. One teenager told a local television station that the alleged gunman was one of those kids who gets bullied."

https://www.deadlinedetroit.com/articles/29372/leduff_as_oxford_high_gets_th_spotlight_where_do_we_go_from_herel0

The article states that bullying is NO reason at all for students to be shot. Stop trying to perpetuate the message that we are expected to kowtow to parents unwilling to parent, but instead often cry "bully!" to get their way, and to neglect and fail their child. This kid obviously needed help - and their parents instead bought and left unlocked a gun??? Just stop.

This was a sweet boy just a few years ago; volunteering, compassion for the poor, he had friends and hobbies. It is OBVIOUS this meek, poor, unathletic teen boy was ruthlessly bullied in this mismanaged and overcrowded nearly 2,000 pupil high school full of bused in school of choice students. You know it, I know it. Do you expect the teens in the school to admit it? You expect the district and the apathetic administrators to admit it? Of course not. Nobody saw anything, nobody ever bothered him, the kid was invisible.

Bullying is no excuse for retaliating, in any way, form or fashion - especially killing people. Are you really trying to defend this?

His parents FAILED him. Period. His parents OWED him proper professional help - NOT an unlocked gun.

Listen to yourself and your tired trope.

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Everyone is a "realtor". It's not a real career for 90% of those with a license which is easier to get than a GED. The address the police searched was a dump worth all of $100k.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Sensing danger, many kids stayed home Tuesday instead of going to school, if online accounts are to be believed. One teenager told a local television station that the alleged gunman was one of those kids who gets bullied."

https://www.deadlinedetroit.com/articles/29372/leduff_as_oxford_high_gets_th_spotlight_where_do_we_go_from_herel0

The article states that bullying is NO reason at all for students to be shot. Stop trying to perpetuate the message that we are expected to kowtow to parents unwilling to parent, but instead often cry "bully!" to get their way, and to neglect and fail their child. This kid obviously needed help - and their parents instead bought and left unlocked a gun??? Just stop.

This was a sweet boy just a few years ago; volunteering, compassion for the poor, he had friends and hobbies. It is OBVIOUS this meek, poor, unathletic teen boy was ruthlessly bullied in this mismanaged and overcrowded nearly 2,000 pupil high school full of bused in school of choice students. You know it, I know it. Do you expect the teens in the school to admit it? You expect the district and the apathetic administrators to admit it? Of course not. Nobody saw anything, nobody ever bothered him, the kid was invisible.

You have no idea if that is the case and are just projecting your views about large public schools onto this situation. It’s just as likely that he was radicalized online.