School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.

[Anonymous]

"Sensing danger, many kids stayed home Tuesday instead of going to school, if online accounts are to be believed. One teenager told a local television station that the alleged gunman was one of those kids who gets bullied."

https://www.deadlinedetroit.com/articles/29372/leduff_as_oxford_high_gets_th_spotlight_where_do_we_go_from_herel0

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m curious that no one here is interested in motive. All the fixation in this thread is on that “what” and the “how”, but no one is asking about the “why”.

That’s not science.

I would bet anything he was being tormented at school for being poor, pudgy, and unathletic. Bullying is so freaking cruel and typically nobody at large high schools gives a damn.

Millions of kids have been bullied in school and not shot up the school. GTFOH with this nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Update: his parents --or father and stepmother, it's not clear--met with the principal THE SAME DAY about the kid's "concerning behavior" in school. https://www.thedailybeast.com/ethan-crumbley-identified-as-oxford-high-school-michigan-mass-shooter?ref=scroll

The letter quoted in the article written by the suspect’s mother (stepmother?) to Trump was vile.

And she is convinced that they are middle class, no, you are poor. This is the problem, the mother has identified with a segment of population that she has nothing in common with. She speaks of immigrants, etc.

Of course they are conservative Trump trash!

Shocked face. And poor as dirt, so voting against their own interests. Those low information voters he loves so much.

[Anonymous]

Teacher here. I do worry that kids are suffering mentally from the past two years of the pandemic, I’m almost surprised we aren’t having more incidents than this. I see academic problems more but I know there are underlying mental problems I’m only barely seeing.

Really concerned for our current generation of children.

[Anonymous]

Jennifer Crumbly, Ethan’s mother thanked Trump for protecting her 2nd amendment rights.

Look what that “protection” got us.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/ethan-crumbley-trump-michigan-guns-b1968181.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They've arraigned the killer. He looks just like those creeps in Columbine. And the parents KNEW he was having disciplinary problems in school and still left that gun unattended in the household. Disgusting.

On Wednesday evening his booking photo was released by Oakland County sheriff's office.

He murdered four classmates and injured seven others on Tuesday after opening fire in the hallways at 12.50pm.

At 10am that morning, his mother and father Jennifer and James were called into Oxford High School for a meeting with teachers about Ethan's behavior. It's unclear what prompted the meeting, but it was the second time Ethan had been called in in two days. On Monday, he met with teachers alone.

It’s incredibly strange the amount of effort that you and other posters are putting into making this kid - and that’s what he is - into a super villain. The only thing that made him a super villain is that he was able to use a gun to mow down his classmates. Misanthropic kids are all over the world. Angry teens are all over the world. Bullied kids are all over the world. Sh:tty parents are all over the world. The difference in the US is these kids can get ahold of guns - including automatic rifles - and massacre dozens of people at a time. This doesn’t happen in other parts of the world. But this happens all the time now in the US - so much so it’s no longer “breaking news” or a headline.

The reason is guns. The reason is guns. Not parents. Not bullies. Not video games. Not white supremacy. It’s guns.

How many angry, misanthropic murderer kids do you know?

And what qualifies as a super-villain? 5 deaths? 17 deaths? 20 deaths? Do we only get to hate the Ted Bundys of the world?

I think its funny you're trying to excuse the murderer when he literally killed more people than the Boston Marathon Bomber.

Your reading comprehension is terrible, PP. T-E-R-R-I-B-L-E. The point is that this kid is like so many of the misanthropes in the world EXCEPT he got his hands on a gun. With the energy you're pouring into trying to explain his motives know that A) his motives were all actualized by a gun and B) Guns are the reason this country (the USA; going to be super specific bc of aforementioned reading comp issues) is so damn dangerous - even our kids can't go to school without the threat of death by gun and C) You can try and try to explain this away through other means but the gun lobby has created this hell hole. Face it. Do something about it.

I don't live in the state with the NRA headquarters up the street. Why don't you pitch a tent and protest their presence? Do something about it.

You do something about it. I’m voting, donating, and ensuring no guns are in my home. Pitching a tent isn’t going to stop the NRA - or their cronies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m curious that no one here is interested in motive. All the fixation in this thread is on that “what” and the “how”, but no one is asking about the “why”.

That’s not science.

I would bet anything he was being tormented at school for being poor, pudgy, and unathletic. Bullying is so freaking cruel and typically nobody at large high schools gives a damn.

Millions of kids have been bullied in school and not shot up the school. GTFOH with this nonsense.

+1 The bully theory is a passe argument that was used to deflect responsibility from the NRA and irresponsible owners/parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Jennifer Crumbly, Ethan’s mother thanked Trump for protecting her 2nd amendment rights.

Look what that “protection” got us.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/ethan-crumbley-trump-michigan-guns-b1968181.html

I be he'll be quiet on a mouse as this too. I feel terrible for the parents/families of the children that were murdered but I wish they had the money for a team of lawyers that would put the parents, the school district gunmakers, lawyers, nra etc in the hole.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m curious that no one here is interested in motive. All the fixation in this thread is on that “what” and the “how”, but no one is asking about the “why”.

That’s not science.

I would bet anything he was being tormented at school for being poor, pudgy, and unathletic. Bullying is so freaking cruel and typically nobody at large high schools gives a damn.

Millions of kids have been bullied in school and not shot up the school. GTFOH with this nonsense.

+1 The bully theory is a passe argument that was used to deflect responsibility from the NRA and irresponsible owners/parents.

+1 Except the trolls on this thread laid it on a little thick and too soon to not be obvious what they are doing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Jennifer Crumbly, Ethan’s mother thanked Trump for protecting her 2nd amendment rights.

Look what that “protection” got us.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/ethan-crumbley-trump-michigan-guns-b1968181.html

I be he'll be quiet on a mouse as this too. I feel terrible for the parents/families of the children that were murdered but I wish they had the money for a team of lawyers that would put the parents, the school district gunmakers, lawyers, nra etc in the hole.

The gunmakers are shielded by federal law. They will have contingency firms aplenty to choose from going after the school and parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They've arraigned the killer. He looks just like those creeps in Columbine. And the parents KNEW he was having disciplinary problems in school and still left that gun unattended in the household. Disgusting.

On Wednesday evening his booking photo was released by Oakland County sheriff's office.

He murdered four classmates and injured seven others on Tuesday after opening fire in the hallways at 12.50pm.

At 10am that morning, his mother and father Jennifer and James were called into Oxford High School for a meeting with teachers about Ethan's behavior. It's unclear what prompted the meeting, but it was the second time Ethan had been called in in two days. On Monday, he met with teachers alone.

Both Klebold and Harris were dead at the scene so you never saw them in a photo that “looks just like this.”

Mute face, unrepentant gaze, bad haircuts, and unattractive look. Yeah, reminds me of them.

The bolded describes many male teens. Guns have always been around and moderately accessible to teens through their parents. That isn't new. Teens being depressed, hating life, hating classmates, behaving badly isn't new. So what is it about society now that troubled/disturbed teens are feeling compelled to shoot up their school instead of the usual course of action which was skipping school, dropping out, smoking pot, hiding out in room?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Update: his parents --or father and stepmother, it's not clear--met with the principal THE SAME DAY about the kid's "concerning behavior" in school. https://www.thedailybeast.com/ethan-crumbley-identified-as-oxford-high-school-michigan-mass-shooter?ref=scroll

The letter quoted in the article written by the suspect’s mother (stepmother?) to Trump was vile.

And she is convinced that they are middle class, no, you are poor. This is the problem, the mother has identified with a segment of population that she has nothing in common with. She speaks of immigrants, etc.

Of course they are conservative Trump trash!

Shocked face. And poor as dirt, so voting against their own interests. Those low information voters he loves so much.

Both of you are disgusting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They've arraigned the killer. He looks just like those creeps in Columbine. And the parents KNEW he was having disciplinary problems in school and still left that gun unattended in the household. Disgusting.

On Wednesday evening his booking photo was released by Oakland County sheriff's office.

He murdered four classmates and injured seven others on Tuesday after opening fire in the hallways at 12.50pm.

At 10am that morning, his mother and father Jennifer and James were called into Oxford High School for a meeting with teachers about Ethan's behavior. It's unclear what prompted the meeting, but it was the second time Ethan had been called in in two days. On Monday, he met with teachers alone.

Both Klebold and Harris were dead at the scene so you never saw them in a photo that “looks just like this.”

Mute face, unrepentant gaze, bad haircuts, and unattractive look. Yeah, reminds me of them.

The bolded describes many male teens. Guns have always been around and moderately accessible to teens through their parents. That isn't new. Teens being depressed, hating life, hating classmates, behaving badly isn't new. So what is it about society now that troubled/disturbed teens are feeling compelled to shoot up their school instead of the usual course of action which was skipping school, dropping out, smoking pot, hiding out in room?

This!

It is not the guns. Guns were widely available in this country well before school shootings. How many school shootings were there in every decade up until the end of the last century? Hardly any. Were guns banned from society and were guns not glorified in the 1940s and 1950s when movies featured “toxic males” like John Wayne using a gun? Of course not.

So what has changed in the past 20-30 years to make school shootings and mass shootings such a phenomenon? A lot of you don’t want to ask these deeper questions because the answers would implicate modern culture at large. Look at Big Pharma, the decline of religion and the community, social media, parental neglect, etc. Guns and gun ownership have been a constant variable; an integral part of American life forever. They are an easy scapegoat for people who lack critical thinking skills.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They've arraigned the killer. He looks just like those creeps in Columbine. And the parents KNEW he was having disciplinary problems in school and still left that gun unattended in the household. Disgusting.

On Wednesday evening his booking photo was released by Oakland County sheriff's office.

He murdered four classmates and injured seven others on Tuesday after opening fire in the hallways at 12.50pm.

At 10am that morning, his mother and father Jennifer and James were called into Oxford High School for a meeting with teachers about Ethan's behavior. It's unclear what prompted the meeting, but it was the second time Ethan had been called in in two days. On Monday, he met with teachers alone.

Both Klebold and Harris were dead at the scene so you never saw them in a photo that “looks just like this.”

Mute face, unrepentant gaze, bad haircuts, and unattractive look. Yeah, reminds me of them.

The bolded describes many male teens. Guns have always been around and moderately accessible to teens through their parents. That isn't new. Teens being depressed, hating life, hating classmates, behaving badly isn't new. So what is it about society now that troubled/disturbed teens are feeling compelled to shoot up their school instead of the usual course of action which was skipping school, dropping out, smoking pot, hiding out in room?

I think that no one ever seriously thought about it back then. It didn’t seriously cross their minds. Now we all know about it and it doesn’t seem so crazy to those who are crazy. It is imaginable to them.

I don’t think there is any going back. Pandora’s box has been opened. We have to find ways to safely live in this new reality. That may mean better mental health, less bullying, lockdown drills, and gun reform that holds sellers, owners, and users accountable. Even this won’t be enough but it will be something and it will save the lives of children.

[Anonymous]

My school district closed the rest of the week. We are about 20 minutes from Oxford. Social media blowing up with other threats here.