Med student allegedly inappropriate with female patient and commits suicide after disciplinary action

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, if the email had been sent during regular business hours and the med student had opened it at 11:30 pm, would the parents still be suing the school?

It sounds as though the school was following the standard protocol for this type of situation. I really can’t see how sending an email at any particular time makes a difference, since the receiver of an email might open it at any time of the day or night, not only right after it was received.

The email also didn’t present any new information. It was more tips about how to handle the upcoming interview he needed to attend. It’s not like it gave him more bad news he didn’t already know. This focus on the last email is bizarre.

[Anonymous]

Can we please stop acting like random strangers are responsible for the mental health of other adults? The school is not responsible for this grown man’s health. He was not in their care.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So, if the email had been sent during regular business hours and the med student had opened it at 11:30 pm, would the parents still be suing the school?

It sounds as though the school was following the standard protocol for this type of situation. I really can’t see how sending an email at any particular time makes a difference, since the receiver of an email might open it at any time of the day or night, not only right after it was received.

The email also didn’t present any new information. It was more tips about how to handle the upcoming interview he needed to attend. It’s not like it gave him more bad news he didn’t already know. This focus on the last email is bizarre.

Then why was it sent at all? Seems a little unprofessional to send communications so late. What's the point? Who does this?

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Anonymous wrote:If he'd gone through with the full meeting it's likely he would have been counseled and been allowed to finish. The school also referred him to counseling.

The reality is anyone can file a lawsuit that doesn't mean they'll win. Now a lot of defendants will just settle because it avoids legal fees and publicity.

He could not deal with the shame in the Indian social circle and took the extreme step.

What does that say about how he was raised then? Who needs a doctor teetering on the edge treating you?

You realize that doctors in general have very high suicide rates, right? Suggests there's a problem with the culture, stressors, professional threats, etc and not just that they are all weak.

He had a girlfriend and his family but kept the suicidal thoughts to himself. My primary doctor is Ivy-trained and highly regarded in our affluent city. Yet he has had debilitating episodes of depression. He gets himself help and has a strong wife, family and friends to support him. I do not consider him weak in the least. It is the ones that don't confide in those closest to them and get professional help that put their patients at risk.

He was talking to his gf and his parents it sounds like. He reached out to the counseling center, he was told to come back later.

A counseling center isn't a place for immediately suicidal patients. Every single medical office including counseling centers will tell you to call 911 if you're having an emergency. The counseling center not being open after hours wasn't the issue. He was a med student he knew he could have gone to the ER.

It's almost as if he was in distress and not thinking straight. I wonder what contributed to that.

Lack of grit. Lack of coping skills. Lack of ever needing to answer for his behavior until this point.

+1. Unfortunately this. In college admissions, we call this type of student a teacup.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can we please stop acting like random strangers are responsible for the mental health of other adults? The school is not responsible for this grown man’s health. He was not in their care.

What are you talking about? They weren't strangers.

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Anonymous wrote:So, if the email had been sent during regular business hours and the med student had opened it at 11:30 pm, would the parents still be suing the school?

It sounds as though the school was following the standard protocol for this type of situation. I really can’t see how sending an email at any particular time makes a difference, since the receiver of an email might open it at any time of the day or night, not only right after it was received.

The email also didn’t present any new information. It was more tips about how to handle the upcoming interview he needed to attend. It’s not like it gave him more bad news he didn’t already know. This focus on the last email is bizarre.

Then why was it sent at all? Seems a little unprofessional to send communications so late. What's the point? Who does this?

Well, if we are going to talk about u professional behavior, I can think of a lot worse than sending an email at night. Like, asking creepy questions of patients and following them on social media.

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Anonymous wrote:If he'd gone through with the full meeting it's likely he would have been counseled and been allowed to finish. The school also referred him to counseling.

The reality is anyone can file a lawsuit that doesn't mean they'll win. Now a lot of defendants will just settle because it avoids legal fees and publicity.

He could not deal with the shame in the Indian social circle and took the extreme step.

What does that say about how he was raised then? Who needs a doctor teetering on the edge treating you?

You realize that doctors in general have very high suicide rates, right? Suggests there's a problem with the culture, stressors, professional threats, etc and not just that they are all weak.

He had a girlfriend and his family but kept the suicidal thoughts to himself. My primary doctor is Ivy-trained and highly regarded in our affluent city. Yet he has had debilitating episodes of depression. He gets himself help and has a strong wife, family and friends to support him. I do not consider him weak in the least. It is the ones that don't confide in those closest to them and get professional help that put their patients at risk.

He was talking to his gf and his parents it sounds like. He reached out to the counseling center, he was told to come back later.

A counseling center isn't a place for immediately suicidal patients. Every single medical office including counseling centers will tell you to call 911 if you're having an emergency. The counseling center not being open after hours wasn't the issue. He was a med student he knew he could have gone to the ER.

It's almost as if he was in distress and not thinking straight. I wonder what contributed to that.

Lack of grit. Lack of coping skills. Lack of ever needing to answer for his behavior until this point.

If you commit suicide you were the problem. Lack of grit. Good to know.

Correct. It's a harsh side of reality, but reality nonetheless

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can we please stop acting like random strangers are responsible for the mental health of other adults? The school is not responsible for this grown man’s health. He was not in their care.

What are you talking about? They weren't strangers.

The school is not his mommy.

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Anonymous wrote:If he'd gone through with the full meeting it's likely he would have been counseled and been allowed to finish. The school also referred him to counseling.

The reality is anyone can file a lawsuit that doesn't mean they'll win. Now a lot of defendants will just settle because it avoids legal fees and publicity.

He could not deal with the shame in the Indian social circle and took the extreme step.

What does that say about how he was raised then? Who needs a doctor teetering on the edge treating you?

You realize that doctors in general have very high suicide rates, right? Suggests there's a problem with the culture, stressors, professional threats, etc and not just that they are all weak.

Maybe society should stop putting them on a pedestal so they don't have to worry about falling so far.

So maybe they should make becoming a dr an online 2 yr degree. Because then they wouldn't be so invested and have spent so many years training just to become a dr only to have it derailed by an ob-gyn patient who doesn't want to answer routine questions. Is that what you mean? There's a lot on the line here whether you want to admit it or not.

A lot of medical professionals work hard to achieve success and they don't take advantage of their patients to do it.

What does that have to do with suicide rates in the profession?

I was replying to the previous post about the investment made by doctors in their education.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So, if the email had been sent during regular business hours and the med student had opened it at 11:30 pm, would the parents still be suing the school?

It sounds as though the school was following the standard protocol for this type of situation. I really can’t see how sending an email at any particular time makes a difference, since the receiver of an email might open it at any time of the day or night, not only right after it was received.

The email also didn’t present any new information. It was more tips about how to handle the upcoming interview he needed to attend. It’s not like it gave him more bad news he didn’t already know. This focus on the last email is bizarre.

Then why was it sent at all? Seems a little unprofessional to send communications so late. What's the point? Who does this?

For records keeping purposes, to document the meeting they had earlier, and to provide him with all the relevant documents he needed to prepare for his hearing.

This was a very standard meeting follow up email.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, if the email had been sent during regular business hours and the med student had opened it at 11:30 pm, would the parents still be suing the school?

It sounds as though the school was following the standard protocol for this type of situation. I really can’t see how sending an email at any particular time makes a difference, since the receiver of an email might open it at any time of the day or night, not only right after it was received.

The email also didn’t present any new information. It was more tips about how to handle the upcoming interview he needed to attend. It’s not like it gave him more bad news he didn’t already know. This focus on the last email is bizarre.

Then why was it sent at all? Seems a little unprofessional to send communications so late. What's the point? Who does this?

For records keeping purposes, to document the meeting they had earlier, and to provide him with all the relevant documents he needed to prepare for his hearing.

This was a very standard meeting follow up email.

+1. I wish more places would countersue for legal fees on these nuisance lawsuits. Or their should be a penalty for lawyers to take on lawsuits without merit.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, if the email had been sent during regular business hours and the med student had opened it at 11:30 pm, would the parents still be suing the school?

It sounds as though the school was following the standard protocol for this type of situation. I really can’t see how sending an email at any particular time makes a difference, since the receiver of an email might open it at any time of the day or night, not only right after it was received.

The email also didn’t present any new information. It was more tips about how to handle the upcoming interview he needed to attend. It’s not like it gave him more bad news he didn’t already know. This focus on the last email is bizarre.

Then why was it sent at all? Seems a little unprofessional to send communications so late. What's the point? Who does this?

For records keeping purposes, to document the meeting they had earlier, and to provide him with all the relevant documents he needed to prepare for his hearing.

This was a very standard meeting follow up email.

Does your HR send out midnight communications about your future? What is your industry?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, if the email had been sent during regular business hours and the med student had opened it at 11:30 pm, would the parents still be suing the school?

It sounds as though the school was following the standard protocol for this type of situation. I really can’t see how sending an email at any particular time makes a difference, since the receiver of an email might open it at any time of the day or night, not only right after it was received.

The email also didn’t present any new information. It was more tips about how to handle the upcoming interview he needed to attend. It’s not like it gave him more bad news he didn’t already know. This focus on the last email is bizarre.

Then why was it sent at all? Seems a little unprofessional to send communications so late. What's the point? Who does this?

For records keeping purposes, to document the meeting they had earlier, and to provide him with all the relevant documents he needed to prepare for his hearing.

This was a very standard meeting follow up email.

Does your HR send out midnight communications about your future? What is your industry?

Have you never worked before? Emails go out at all hours. Especially a follow up email recording a meeting the guy already had? There was no new info in the email.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, if the email had been sent during regular business hours and the med student had opened it at 11:30 pm, would the parents still be suing the school?

It sounds as though the school was following the standard protocol for this type of situation. I really can’t see how sending an email at any particular time makes a difference, since the receiver of an email might open it at any time of the day or night, not only right after it was received.

The email also didn’t present any new information. It was more tips about how to handle the upcoming interview he needed to attend. It’s not like it gave him more bad news he didn’t already know. This focus on the last email is bizarre.

Then why was it sent at all? Seems a little unprofessional to send communications so late. What's the point? Who does this?

For records keeping purposes, to document the meeting they had earlier, and to provide him with all the relevant documents he needed to prepare for his hearing.

This was a very standard meeting follow up email.

Does your HR send out midnight communications about your future? What is your industry?

You really think someone this fragile belonged in medicine? Do you even hear yourself. Maybe he should have done marketing or HR.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, if the email had been sent during regular business hours and the med student had opened it at 11:30 pm, would the parents still be suing the school?

It sounds as though the school was following the standard protocol for this type of situation. I really can’t see how sending an email at any particular time makes a difference, since the receiver of an email might open it at any time of the day or night, not only right after it was received.

The email also didn’t present any new information. It was more tips about how to handle the upcoming interview he needed to attend. It’s not like it gave him more bad news he didn’t already know. This focus on the last email is bizarre.

Then why was it sent at all? Seems a little unprofessional to send communications so late. What's the point? Who does this?

For records keeping purposes, to document the meeting they had earlier, and to provide him with all the relevant documents he needed to prepare for his hearing.

This was a very standard meeting follow up email.

+1. I wish more places would countersue for legal fees on these nuisance lawsuits. Or their should be a penalty for lawyers to take on lawsuits without merit.

What bizarre fanciful thinking.