Med student allegedly inappropriate with female patient and commits suicide after disciplinary action

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I found it odd that she said he DMd her but provided no screenshots and said she couldn't because he blocked her? Hm. Also, was there a witness to all this? Wouldn't there me someone else in the exam room?

You can read the docs on the original links— he was in the room with a nurse (or NP?). I don’t know why the supervising clinician didn’t pull him out of the room or report the event herself.

That does seem odd, no?

Yeah- I don’t believe her version. He said he blocked her on Instagram. Why would she give him her Instagram info anyway if he was making her uncomfortable? The whole thing is odd and does not rise to him being a “sexual predator” especially if there was literally someone in the room for his exam. Would definitely need investigating and I think the school did handle poorly. He didn’t sexually assault anyone or was even excused of that. Asking what a patient views as “inappropriate questions” with another person in the room does not to me rise to the level
Of putting him on leave- even while they investigate further

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I found it odd that she said he DMd her but provided no screenshots and said she couldn't because he blocked her? Hm. Also, was there a witness to all this? Wouldn't there me someone else in the exam room?

You can read the docs on the original links— he was in the room with a nurse (or NP?). I don’t know why the supervising clinician didn’t pull him out of the room or report the event herself.

That does seem odd, no?

Yeah- I don’t believe her version. He said he blocked her on Instagram. Why would she give him her Instagram info anyway if he was making her uncomfortable? The whole thing is odd and does not rise to him being a “sexual predator” especially if there was literally someone in the room for his exam. Would definitely need investigating and I think the school did handle poorly. He didn’t sexually assault anyone or was even excused of that. Asking what a patient views as “inappropriate questions” with another person in the room does not to me rise to the level
Of putting him on leave- even while they investigate further

Disagree, all the questions he asked and the interactions suggest that he did lacked professionalism and common sense. He needed to be pulled from rotations to investigate the allegations.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I found it odd that she said he DMd her but provided no screenshots and said she couldn't because he blocked her? Hm. Also, was there a witness to all this? Wouldn't there me someone else in the exam room?

You can read the docs on the original links— he was in the room with a nurse (or NP?). I don’t know why the supervising clinician didn’t pull him out of the room or report the event herself.

That does seem odd, no?

Yeah- I don’t believe her version. He said he blocked her on Instagram. Why would she give him her Instagram info anyway if he was making her uncomfortable? The whole thing is odd and does not rise to him being a “sexual predator” especially if there was literally someone in the room for his exam. Would definitely need investigating and I think the school did handle poorly. He didn’t sexually assault anyone or was even excused of that. Asking what a patient views as “inappropriate questions” with another person in the room does not to me rise to the level
Of putting him on leave- even while they investigate further

Disagree, all the questions he asked and the interactions suggest that he did lacked professionalism and common sense. He needed to be pulled from rotations to investigate the allegations.

He is literally never alone for the rotations and with patients. He is constantly supervised. There is no reason he couldn’t have been counseled/educated on how to question patients and that’s that. Did the NP in the room find the questions inappropriate? A patient finding questions inappropriate does not rise to the level of sexual misconduct or any crime what so ever that would warrent him being banned from clinical rotations

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I found it odd that she said he DMd her but provided no screenshots and said she couldn't because he blocked her? Hm. Also, was there a witness to all this? Wouldn't there me someone else in the exam room?

You can read the docs on the original links— he was in the room with a nurse (or NP?). I don’t know why the supervising clinician didn’t pull him out of the room or report the event herself.

That does seem odd, no?

Yeah- I don’t believe her version. He said he blocked her on Instagram. Why would she give him her Instagram info anyway if he was making her uncomfortable? The whole thing is odd and does not rise to him being a “sexual predator” especially if there was literally someone in the room for his exam. Would definitely need investigating and I think the school did handle poorly. He didn’t sexually assault anyone or was even excused of that. Asking what a patient views as “inappropriate questions” with another person in the room does not to me rise to the level
Of putting him on leave- even while they investigate further

He had her name and knew what she looked like. He could easily find her IG with that information. I’m not sure why you’re assuming she gave him her IG handle.

By asking her about whether her boyfriend would be mad about how he was touching her, he was implying that his physical examination of her was equivalent to sexual touch. You don’t think that’s wildly inappropriate, especially in the context of a gynecological exam?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I found it odd that she said he DMd her but provided no screenshots and said she couldn't because he blocked her? Hm. Also, was there a witness to all this? Wouldn't there me someone else in the exam room?

You can read the docs on the original links— he was in the room with a nurse (or NP?). I don’t know why the supervising clinician didn’t pull him out of the room or report the event herself.

That does seem odd, no?

Yeah- I don’t believe her version. He said he blocked her on Instagram. Why would she give him her Instagram info anyway if he was making her uncomfortable? The whole thing is odd and does not rise to him being a “sexual predator” especially if there was literally someone in the room for his exam. Would definitely need investigating and I think the school did handle poorly. He didn’t sexually assault anyone or was even excused of that. Asking what a patient views as “inappropriate questions” with another person in the room does not to me rise to the level
Of putting him on leave- even while they investigate further

Disagree, all the questions he asked and the interactions suggest that he did lacked professionalism and common sense. He needed to be pulled from rotations to investigate the allegations.

He is literally never alone for the rotations and with patients. He is constantly supervised. There is no reason he couldn’t have been counseled/educated on how to question patients and that’s that. Did the NP in the room find the questions inappropriate? A patient finding questions inappropriate does not rise to the level of sexual misconduct or any crime what so ever that would warrent him being banned from clinical rotations

Why is criminal activity the only bar for removal?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I found it odd that she said he DMd her but provided no screenshots and said she couldn't because he blocked her? Hm. Also, was there a witness to all this? Wouldn't there me someone else in the exam room?

You can read the docs on the original links— he was in the room with a nurse (or NP?). I don’t know why the supervising clinician didn’t pull him out of the room or report the event herself.

That does seem odd, no?

Yeah- I don’t believe her version. He said he blocked her on Instagram. Why would she give him her Instagram info anyway if he was making her uncomfortable? The whole thing is odd and does not rise to him being a “sexual predator” especially if there was literally someone in the room for his exam. Would definitely need investigating and I think the school did handle poorly. He didn’t sexually assault anyone or was even excused of that. Asking what a patient views as “inappropriate questions” with another person in the room does not to me rise to the level
Of putting him on leave- even while they investigate further

Disagree, all the questions he asked and the interactions suggest that he did lacked professionalism and common sense. He needed to be pulled from rotations to investigate the allegations.

He is literally never alone for the rotations and with patients. He is constantly supervised. There is no reason he couldn’t have been counseled/educated on how to question patients and that’s that. Did the NP in the room find the questions inappropriate? A patient finding questions inappropriate does not rise to the level of sexual misconduct or any crime what so ever that would warrent him being banned from clinical rotations

Medical students can see patients on their own. Who said he was supervised in the room? Usually med students see patients alone and then present to their supervising doctor

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I found it odd that she said he DMd her but provided no screenshots and said she couldn't because he blocked her? Hm. Also, was there a witness to all this? Wouldn't there me someone else in the exam room?

You can read the docs on the original links— he was in the room with a nurse (or NP?). I don’t know why the supervising clinician didn’t pull him out of the room or report the event herself.

That does seem odd, no?

Yeah- I don’t believe her version. He said he blocked her on Instagram. Why would she give him her Instagram info anyway if he was making her uncomfortable? The whole thing is odd and does not rise to him being a “sexual predator” especially if there was literally someone in the room for his exam. Would definitely need investigating and I think the school did handle poorly. He didn’t sexually assault anyone or was even excused of that. Asking what a patient views as “inappropriate questions” with another person in the room does not to me rise to the level
Of putting him on leave- even while they investigate further

Disagree, all the questions he asked and the interactions suggest that he did lacked professionalism and common sense. He needed to be pulled from rotations to investigate the allegations.

He is literally never alone for the rotations and with patients. He is constantly supervised. There is no reason he couldn’t have been counseled/educated on how to question patients and that’s that. Did the NP in the room find the questions inappropriate? A patient finding questions inappropriate does not rise to the level of sexual misconduct or any crime what so ever that would warrent him being banned from clinical rotations

Medical students can see patients on their own. Who said he was supervised in the room? Usually med students see patients alone and then present to their supervising doctor

Male doctors don’t even examine female patients alone. Certainly not male medically students doing a GYN exam. There 100% was someone in the room with him

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I found it odd that she said he DMd her but provided no screenshots and said she couldn't because he blocked her? Hm. Also, was there a witness to all this? Wouldn't there me someone else in the exam room?

You can read the docs on the original links— he was in the room with a nurse (or NP?). I don’t know why the supervising clinician didn’t pull him out of the room or report the event herself.

That does seem odd, no?

Yeah- I don’t believe her version. He said he blocked her on Instagram. Why would she give him her Instagram info anyway if he was making her uncomfortable? The whole thing is odd and does not rise to him being a “sexual predator” especially if there was literally someone in the room for his exam. Would definitely need investigating and I think the school did handle poorly. He didn’t sexually assault anyone or was even excused of that. Asking what a patient views as “inappropriate questions” with another person in the room does not to me rise to the level
Of putting him on leave- even while they investigate further

He had her name and knew what she looked like. He could easily find her IG with that information. I’m not sure why you’re assuming she gave him her IG handle.

By asking her about whether her boyfriend would be mad about how he was touching her, he was implying that his physical examination of her was equivalent to sexual touch. You don’t think that’s wildly inappropriate, especially in the context of a gynecological exam?

Maybe, but that’s what she says he said. Maybe he gave her a creepy vibe or she misinterpreted something he said. No way he was in the room alone with her- so clearly he didn’t say anything wildly inappropriate or he would have been pulled out right then. I don’t think it rises to the level of being unsafe around patients. This would be something I would think the school would question him about in person, consult with the practitioner in the room with him, and educate him. I do think the school handled this poorly

[Anonymous]

The psychotic bloodlust in this thread is horrific.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The psychotic bloodlust in this thread is horrific.

Believe all women sure didn't last last long.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I found it odd that she said he DMd her but provided no screenshots and said she couldn't because he blocked her? Hm. Also, was there a witness to all this? Wouldn't there me someone else in the exam room?

You can read the docs on the original links— he was in the room with a nurse (or NP?). I don’t know why the supervising clinician didn’t pull him out of the room or report the event herself.

That does seem odd, no?

Yeah- I don’t believe her version. He said he blocked her on Instagram. Why would she give him her Instagram info anyway if he was making her uncomfortable? The whole thing is odd and does not rise to him being a “sexual predator” especially if there was literally someone in the room for his exam. Would definitely need investigating and I think the school did handle poorly. He didn’t sexually assault anyone or was even excused of that. Asking what a patient views as “inappropriate questions” with another person in the room does not to me rise to the level
Of putting him on leave- even while they investigate further

Disagree, all the questions he asked and the interactions suggest that he did lacked professionalism and common sense. He needed to be pulled from rotations to investigate the allegations.

He is literally never alone for the rotations and with patients. He is constantly supervised. There is no reason he couldn’t have been counseled/educated on how to question patients and that’s that. Did the NP in the room find the questions inappropriate? A patient finding questions inappropriate does not rise to the level of sexual misconduct or any crime what so ever that would warrent him being banned from clinical rotations

Medical students can see patients on their own. Who said he was supervised in the room? Usually med students see patients alone and then present to their supervising doctor

Male doctors don’t even examine female patients alone. Certainly not male medically students doing a GYN exam. There 100% was someone in the room with him

Clearly you are not in medicine. He did not do a gyn exam- he offered one. You can take a sexual history without supervision and even if he was supervised that doesn’t mean what he said was less creepy

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The psychotic bloodlust in this thread is horrific.

Believe all women sure didn't last last long.

You can believe her without upending his career before an investigation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I found it odd that she said he DMd her but provided no screenshots and said she couldn't because he blocked her? Hm. Also, was there a witness to all this? Wouldn't there me someone else in the exam room?

You can read the docs on the original links— he was in the room with a nurse (or NP?). I don’t know why the supervising clinician didn’t pull him out of the room or report the event herself.

That does seem odd, no?

Yeah- I don’t believe her version. He said he blocked her on Instagram. Why would she give him her Instagram info anyway if he was making her uncomfortable? The whole thing is odd and does not rise to him being a “sexual predator” especially if there was literally someone in the room for his exam. Would definitely need investigating and I think the school did handle poorly. He didn’t sexually assault anyone or was even excused of that. Asking what a patient views as “inappropriate questions” with another person in the room does not to me rise to the level
Of putting him on leave- even while they investigate further

Disagree, all the questions he asked and the interactions suggest that he did lacked professionalism and common sense. He needed to be pulled from rotations to investigate the allegations.

He is literally never alone for the rotations and with patients. He is constantly supervised. There is no reason he couldn’t have been counseled/educated on how to question patients and that’s that. Did the NP in the room find the questions inappropriate? A patient finding questions inappropriate does not rise to the level of sexual misconduct or any crime what so ever that would warrent him being banned from clinical rotations

Medical students can see patients on their own. Who said he was supervised in the room? Usually med students see patients alone and then present to their supervising doctor

Male doctors don’t even examine female patients alone. Certainly not male medically students doing a GYN exam. There 100% was someone in the room with him

Clearly you are not in medicine. He did not do a gyn exam- he offered one. You can take a sexual history without supervision and even if he was supervised that doesn’t mean what he said was less creepy

Why doesn’t she have screenshots for what she said he said on instagram?

[Anonymous]

Very cool that brilliant American kids are "weeded out" by the hundreds of thousands every year because they get a B+ in organic chemistry (or whatever) but creeps and predators somehow keep "slipping through the cracks."

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Anonymous wrote:I found it odd that she said he DMd her but provided no screenshots and said she couldn't because he blocked her? Hm. Also, was there a witness to all this? Wouldn't there me someone else in the exam room?

You can read the docs on the original links— he was in the room with a nurse (or NP?). I don’t know why the supervising clinician didn’t pull him out of the room or report the event herself.

That does seem odd, no?

Yeah- I don’t believe her version. He said he blocked her on Instagram. Why would she give him her Instagram info anyway if he was making her uncomfortable? The whole thing is odd and does not rise to him being a “sexual predator” especially if there was literally someone in the room for his exam. Would definitely need investigating and I think the school did handle poorly. He didn’t sexually assault anyone or was even excused of that. Asking what a patient views as “inappropriate questions” with another person in the room does not to me rise to the level
Of putting him on leave- even while they investigate further

Disagree, all the questions he asked and the interactions suggest that he did lacked professionalism and common sense. He needed to be pulled from rotations to investigate the allegations.

He is literally never alone for the rotations and with patients. He is constantly supervised. There is no reason he couldn’t have been counseled/educated on how to question patients and that’s that. Did the NP in the room find the questions inappropriate? A patient finding questions inappropriate does not rise to the level of sexual misconduct or any crime what so ever that would warrent him being banned from clinical rotations

Medical students can see patients on their own. Who said he was supervised in the room? Usually med students see patients alone and then present to their supervising doctor

Male doctors don’t even examine female patients alone. Certainly not male medically students doing a GYN exam. There 100% was someone in the room with him

Clearly you are not in medicine. He did not do a gyn exam- he offered one. You can take a sexual history without supervision and even if he was supervised that doesn’t mean what he said was less creepy

Why doesn’t she have screenshots for what she said he said on instagram?

It doesn't matter what he said. He should not have followed her at all.