Med student allegedly inappropriate with female patient and commits suicide after disciplinary action

Anonymous
https://www.everythinglubbock.com/news/local-news/texas-tech-medical-student-dies-after-seeking-mental-health-help/

Med student asked inappropriate sexual questions to patient and asked to follow on instagram. Also offered to do a pap. The patient reported it- he was investigated and committed suicide. Parents are suing the med school. How do we prevent Larry Nassar’s? It seems like schools can’t win.
Anonymous
wtf the school has nothing to do with their son being a pervert and predator.
Anonymous
It’s always “Men with gold chains”. Every time.
Anonymous
It’s understandable that the parents are looking for someone to blame but how is the school responsible for the medical student’s inappropriate behavior?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:https://www.everythinglubbock.com/news/local-news/texas-tech-medical-student-dies-after-seeking-mental-health-help/

Med student asked inappropriate sexual questions to patient and asked to follow on instagram. Also offered to do a pap. The patient reported it- he was investigated and committed suicide. Parents are suing the med school. How do we prevent Larry Nassar’s? It seems like schools can’t win.


Schools can win. I fully expect this school to win. The school did nothing wrong and the parents are just trying to assuage their grief in what they perceive as deep pockets.
Anonymous
What was the medical school supposed to do? Take no action and let him continue seeing patients while he awaited a hearing? Despite evidence that he was behaving inappropriately with OBGYN patients?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:It’s understandable that the parents are looking for someone to blame but how is the school responsible for the medical student’s inappropriate behavior?


They can't come to terms that they raised him wrong.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:https://www.everythinglubbock.com/news/local-news/texas-tech-medical-student-dies-after-seeking-mental-health-help/

Med student asked inappropriate sexual questions to patient and asked to follow on instagram. Also offered to do a pap. The patient reported it- he was investigated and committed suicide. Parents are suing the med school. How do we prevent Larry Nassar’s? It seems like schools can’t win.


That is not what is described in the article.
Anonymous
That is a poorly written article. It sounds as though the parents are suing because the school sent him an email at 11:30 at night, at a “vulnerable time.”

Emails can be sent and read at any time. What if the email had been sent at 9:00 am, but the young man didn’t open it until 11:30? The school is not responsible for the time of day that a person reads a message.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:https://www.everythinglubbock.com/news/local-news/texas-tech-medical-student-dies-after-seeking-mental-health-help/

Med student asked inappropriate sexual questions to patient and asked to follow on instagram. Also offered to do a pap. The patient reported it- he was investigated and committed suicide. Parents are suing the med school. How do we prevent Larry Nassar’s? It seems like schools can’t win.


That is not what is described in the article.


it helps to read the actual documents from the professionalism committee embedded in the article.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:https://www.everythinglubbock.com/news/local-news/texas-tech-medical-student-dies-after-seeking-mental-health-help/

Med student asked inappropriate sexual questions to patient and asked to follow on instagram. Also offered to do a pap. The patient reported it- he was investigated and committed suicide. Parents are suing the med school. How do we prevent Larry Nassar’s? It seems like schools can’t win.


That is not what is described in the article.


He asked her if she had ever had a threesome, how is that ever an appropriate question from a medical provider?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:That is a poorly written article. It sounds as though the parents are suing because the school sent him an email at 11:30 at night, at a “vulnerable time.”

Emails can be sent and read at any time. What if the email had been sent at 9:00 am, but the young man didn’t open it until 11:30? The school is not responsible for the time of day that a person reads a message.


There was an very similar claim in another case against a university after a student suicide. That the timing of the email was reckless and created culpability. I'm blanking on the school and don't know what the resolution was.
Anonymous
Also, this is such an example of how very easy access to guns and no waiting period before accessing one etc can lead to these terrible outcomes. There could have been a process and instead it's a tragedy.
Anonymous
If he'd gone through with the full meeting it's likely he would have been counseled and been allowed to finish. The school also referred him to counseling.

The reality is anyone can file a lawsuit that doesn't mean they'll win. Now a lot of defendants will just settle because it avoids legal fees and publicity.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:https://www.everythinglubbock.com/news/local-news/texas-tech-medical-student-dies-after-seeking-mental-health-help/

Med student asked inappropriate sexual questions to patient and asked to follow on instagram. Also offered to do a pap. The patient reported it- he was investigated and committed suicide. Parents are suing the med school. How do we prevent Larry Nassar’s? It seems like schools can’t win.


That is not what is described in the article.


He asked her if she had ever had a threesome, how is that ever an appropriate question from a medical provider?


I teach med students how to take sexual histories.

It is absolutely not appropriate. The students are taught to ask about number of partners, current and lifetime and perhaps over a certain period of recent time (past year, past 6 months, or whatever) depending on the concerns that arise out of the chief complaint, history, and/or exam. They are taught to ask about how partners identify, and what kind of sex practices are engaged in (vaginal, anal, oral), and whether or not toys are used. And of course whether or not barrier methods of protection are used. And these detailed questions are only asked in context of assessing risk, providing care, and counseling the patient regarding safe practices.

So how many partners one has had recently? Legit question. What kinds of sex one is engaging in with those partners? Legit question. Whether or not three people are all engaging in those practices together at once? No. The only thing I can think of in which this might be a legit area to explore is a psych patient who is manic and putting themself at risk in multiple ways as a result of manic hypersexuality. But even then -- asking if the patient has ever had a threesome? No.
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