Med student allegedly inappropriate with female patient and commits suicide after disciplinary action

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Anonymous wrote:So, if the email had been sent during regular business hours and the med student had opened it at 11:30 pm, would the parents still be suing the school?

It sounds as though the school was following the standard protocol for this type of situation. I really can’t see how sending an email at any particular time makes a difference, since the receiver of an email might open it at any time of the day or night, not only right after it was received.

The email also didn’t present any new information. It was more tips about how to handle the upcoming interview he needed to attend. It’s not like it gave him more bad news he didn’t already know. This focus on the last email is bizarre.

Then why was it sent at all? Seems a little unprofessional to send communications so late. What's the point? Who does this?

For records keeping purposes, to document the meeting they had earlier, and to provide him with all the relevant documents he needed to prepare for his hearing.

This was a very standard meeting follow up email.

Does your HR send out midnight communications about your future? What is your industry?

You really think someone this fragile belonged in medicine? Do you even hear yourself. Maybe he should have done marketing or HR.

You don’t sound like someone with any professional experience.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So, if the email had been sent during regular business hours and the med student had opened it at 11:30 pm, would the parents still be suing the school?

It sounds as though the school was following the standard protocol for this type of situation. I really can’t see how sending an email at any particular time makes a difference, since the receiver of an email might open it at any time of the day or night, not only right after it was received.

The email also didn’t present any new information. It was more tips about how to handle the upcoming interview he needed to attend. It’s not like it gave him more bad news he didn’t already know. This focus on the last email is bizarre.

Then why was it sent at all? Seems a little unprofessional to send communications so late. What's the point? Who does this?

For records keeping purposes, to document the meeting they had earlier, and to provide him with all the relevant documents he needed to prepare for his hearing.

This was a very standard meeting follow up email.

Does your HR send out midnight communications about your future? What is your industry?

You really think someone this fragile belonged in medicine? Do you even hear yourself. Maybe he should have done marketing or HR.

Yeah, doctors literally take calls in the middle of the night telling them a patient has died. That's medicine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So, if the email had been sent during regular business hours and the med student had opened it at 11:30 pm, would the parents still be suing the school?

It sounds as though the school was following the standard protocol for this type of situation. I really can’t see how sending an email at any particular time makes a difference, since the receiver of an email might open it at any time of the day or night, not only right after it was received.

The email also didn’t present any new information. It was more tips about how to handle the upcoming interview he needed to attend. It’s not like it gave him more bad news he didn’t already know. This focus on the last email is bizarre.

Then why was it sent at all? Seems a little unprofessional to send communications so late. What's the point? Who does this?

For records keeping purposes, to document the meeting they had earlier, and to provide him with all the relevant documents he needed to prepare for his hearing.

This was a very standard meeting follow up email.

+1. I wish more places would countersue for legal fees on these nuisance lawsuits. Or their should be a penalty for lawyers to take on lawsuits without merit.

I mean there is, it's called Rule 11. It just has a decently high bar.

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Anonymous wrote:The patient has a far more solid lawsuit on her hands than the perverted pond scum

It's not a crime to be made uncomfortable. Who are you people.?

For starters a civil lawsuit against a hospital isn’t criminal court. Seems she was sexually harassed by a medical resident, then he used her medical chart to cyberstalk her (HIPPA violation), then he took his life and now his family is suggesting it was her fault??? That’s a lot of trauma!!! $$$

The family alleges the school effed up. They aren't suing her.

Totally innocuous to note the gal was seeing him for STD check. Totally not an attempt to insinuate she’s a promiscuous and lying western whore making false allegations against a high caste future surgeon.

+1. He was sleeping with his girlfriend (not wife) while trying to hook up with a patient so who is the whore?

I doubt he was trying to hook up with someone presenting with a nasty STI right in front of him.

He asked her if her boyfriend would mind him touching her! He then followed her on Instagram. AFTER (!!!!!) she refused to let him do her pap smear and she requested a nurse do it. Bonkers.

Because she told him her boyfriend gets very jealous.

Gross. Who talks like that? Or to a doctor for an std check?

Maybe that was a cry for help and she’s being abused. Did he ask those questions then since they were in a safe space?

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Anonymous wrote:The patient has a far more solid lawsuit on her hands than the perverted pond scum

It's not a crime to be made uncomfortable. Who are you people.?

For starters a civil lawsuit against a hospital isn’t criminal court. Seems she was sexually harassed by a medical resident, then he used her medical chart to cyberstalk her (HIPPA violation), then he took his life and now his family is suggesting it was her fault??? That’s a lot of trauma!!! $$$

The family alleges the school effed up. They aren't suing her.

Totally innocuous to note the gal was seeing him for STD check. Totally not an attempt to insinuate she’s a promiscuous and lying western whore making false allegations against a high caste future surgeon.

+1. He was sleeping with his girlfriend (not wife) while trying to hook up with a patient so who is the whore?

I doubt he was trying to hook up with someone presenting with a nasty STI right in front of him.

He asked her if her boyfriend would mind him touching her! He then followed her on Instagram. AFTER (!!!!!) she refused to let him do her pap smear and she requested a nurse do it. Bonkers.

Because she told him her boyfriend gets very jealous.

Gross. Who talks like that? Or to a doctor for an std check?

Maybe that was a cry for help and she’s being abused. Did he ask those questions then since they were in a safe space?

Making the patient uncomfortable isn't how you address a DV situation, that's for sure.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The patient has a far more solid lawsuit on her hands than the perverted pond scum

It's not a crime to be made uncomfortable. Who are you people.?

For starters a civil lawsuit against a hospital isn’t criminal court. Seems she was sexually harassed by a medical resident, then he used her medical chart to cyberstalk her (HIPPA violation), then he took his life and now his family is suggesting it was her fault??? That’s a lot of trauma!!! $$$

The family alleges the school effed up. They aren't suing her.

Totally innocuous to note the gal was seeing him for STD check. Totally not an attempt to insinuate she’s a promiscuous and lying western whore making false allegations against a high caste future surgeon.

+1. He was sleeping with his girlfriend (not wife) while trying to hook up with a patient so who is the whore?

I doubt he was trying to hook up with someone presenting with a nasty STI right in front of him.

Then why compliment her body and contact her on Instagram?

Didnt she say something about her canons and a threesome?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:The patient has a far more solid lawsuit on her hands than the perverted pond scum

It's not a crime to be made uncomfortable. Who are you people.?

For starters a civil lawsuit against a hospital isn’t criminal court. Seems she was sexually harassed by a medical resident, then he used her medical chart to cyberstalk her (HIPPA violation), then he took his life and now his family is suggesting it was her fault??? That’s a lot of trauma!!! $$$

The family alleges the school effed up. They aren't suing her.

Totally innocuous to note the gal was seeing him for STD check. Totally not an attempt to insinuate she’s a promiscuous and lying western whore making false allegations against a high caste future surgeon.

+1. He was sleeping with his girlfriend (not wife) while trying to hook up with a patient so who is the whore?

I doubt he was trying to hook up with someone presenting with a nasty STI right in front of him.

He asked her if her boyfriend would mind him touching her! He then followed her on Instagram. AFTER (!!!!!) she refused to let him do her pap smear and she requested a nurse do it. Bonkers.

Because she told him her boyfriend gets very jealous.

It’s cool. All my male doctors follow me on Instagram. Oh wait, no they don’t.

Well, he wasn't a Dr. remember?

Not according to his obit. Parents were already calling him a Dr.

Their whole retirement, gone!

Their whole immigration plan. I suspect they planned to let him allow them to live in his house.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, if the email had been sent during regular business hours and the med student had opened it at 11:30 pm, would the parents still be suing the school?

It sounds as though the school was following the standard protocol for this type of situation. I really can’t see how sending an email at any particular time makes a difference, since the receiver of an email might open it at any time of the day or night, not only right after it was received.

The email also didn’t present any new information. It was more tips about how to handle the upcoming interview he needed to attend. It’s not like it gave him more bad news he didn’t already know. This focus on the last email is bizarre.

Then why was it sent at all? Seems a little unprofessional to send communications so late. What's the point? Who does this?

For records keeping purposes, to document the meeting they had earlier, and to provide him with all the relevant documents he needed to prepare for his hearing.

This was a very standard meeting follow up email.

Does your HR send out midnight communications about your future? What is your industry?

You really think someone this fragile belonged in medicine? Do you even hear yourself. Maybe he should have done marketing or HR.

Yeah, doctors literally take calls in the middle of the night telling them a patient has died. That's medicine.

Yep. They also have to take overnight shifts, 24-hour shifts, be on call for nights, weekends and holidays. And PP is clutching her pearls because poor guy received an email at 11:30pm. 11:30! Can you imagine???

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Anonymous wrote:If he'd gone through with the full meeting it's likely he would have been counseled and been allowed to finish. The school also referred him to counseling.

The reality is anyone can file a lawsuit that doesn't mean they'll win. Now a lot of defendants will just settle because it avoids legal fees and publicity.

He could not deal with the shame in the Indian social circle and took the extreme step.

What does that say about how he was raised then? Who needs a doctor teetering on the edge treating you?

You realize that doctors in general have very high suicide rates, right? Suggests there's a problem with the culture, stressors, professional threats, etc and not just that they are all weak.

He had a girlfriend and his family but kept the suicidal thoughts to himself. My primary doctor is Ivy-trained and highly regarded in our affluent city. Yet he has had debilitating episodes of depression. He gets himself help and has a strong wife, family and friends to support him. I do not consider him weak in the least. It is the ones that don't confide in those closest to them and get professional help that put their patients at risk.

He was talking to his gf and his parents it sounds like. He reached out to the counseling center, he was told to come back later.

A counseling center isn't a place for immediately suicidal patients. Every single medical office including counseling centers will tell you to call 911 if you're having an emergency. The counseling center not being open after hours wasn't the issue. He was a med student he knew he could have gone to the ER.

It's almost as if he was in distress and not thinking straight. I wonder what contributed to that.

Probably the university immediately pulling his graduation and work schedule upon the filing and it explaining if they were going to do an actual investigation and info gathering or not. Ie interview the nurse present, go over options.

Didn’t this happen in Texas? No name schools?

Love to see exactly what the med school or residency program communicated and if they followed HR procedures for a complaint and were transparent to the resident on the due process. Or did they just go bananas on him and never hear any other side of the story.?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If he'd gone through with the full meeting it's likely he would have been counseled and been allowed to finish. The school also referred him to counseling.

The reality is anyone can file a lawsuit that doesn't mean they'll win. Now a lot of defendants will just settle because it avoids legal fees and publicity.

He could not deal with the shame in the Indian social circle and took the extreme step.

What does that say about how he was raised then? Who needs a doctor teetering on the edge treating you?

You realize that doctors in general have very high suicide rates, right? Suggests there's a problem with the culture, stressors, professional threats, etc and not just that they are all weak.

He had a girlfriend and his family but kept the suicidal thoughts to himself. My primary doctor is Ivy-trained and highly regarded in our affluent city. Yet he has had debilitating episodes of depression. He gets himself help and has a strong wife, family and friends to support him. I do not consider him weak in the least. It is the ones that don't confide in those closest to them and get professional help that put their patients at risk.

He was talking to his gf and his parents it sounds like. He reached out to the counseling center, he was told to come back later.

A counseling center isn't a place for immediately suicidal patients. Every single medical office including counseling centers will tell you to call 911 if you're having an emergency. The counseling center not being open after hours wasn't the issue. He was a med student he knew he could have gone to the ER.

It's almost as if he was in distress and not thinking straight. I wonder what contributed to that.

Lawyers and the court system will handle it now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, if the email had been sent during regular business hours and the med student had opened it at 11:30 pm, would the parents still be suing the school?

It sounds as though the school was following the standard protocol for this type of situation. I really can’t see how sending an email at any particular time makes a difference, since the receiver of an email might open it at any time of the day or night, not only right after it was received.

Courts and lawyers can see what was sent and proceed accordingly

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, if the email had been sent during regular business hours and the med student had opened it at 11:30 pm, would the parents still be suing the school?

It sounds as though the school was following the standard protocol for this type of situation. I really can’t see how sending an email at any particular time makes a difference, since the receiver of an email might open it at any time of the day or night, not only right after it was received.

The email also didn’t present any new information. It was more tips about how to handle the upcoming interview he needed to attend. It’s not like it gave him more bad news he didn’t already know. This focus on the last email is bizarre.

Then why was it sent at all? Seems a little unprofessional to send communications so late. What's the point? Who does this?

For records keeping purposes, to document the meeting they had earlier, and to provide him with all the relevant documents he needed to prepare for his hearing.

This was a very standard meeting follow up email.

Does your HR send out midnight communications about your future? What is your industry?

Have you never worked before? Emails go out at all hours. Especially a follow up email recording a meeting the guy already had? There was no new info in the email.

Guess the lawyers will get to read this late night advice email themselves.

Maybe he catastrophized things.

Maybe they threatened to ruin his career.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The patient has a far more solid lawsuit on her hands than the perverted pond scum

It's not a crime to be made uncomfortable. Who are you people.?

For starters a civil lawsuit against a hospital isn’t criminal court. Seems she was sexually harassed by a medical resident, then he used her medical chart to cyberstalk her (HIPPA violation), then he took his life and now his family is suggesting it was her fault??? That’s a lot of trauma!!! $$$

The family alleges the school effed up. They aren't suing her.

Totally innocuous to note the gal was seeing him for STD check. Totally not an attempt to insinuate she’s a promiscuous and lying western whore making false allegations against a high caste future surgeon.

+1. He was sleeping with his girlfriend (not wife) while trying to hook up with a patient so who is the whore?

I doubt he was trying to hook up with someone presenting with a nasty STI right in front of him.

He asked her if her boyfriend would mind him touching her! He then followed her on Instagram. AFTER (!!!!!) she refused to let him do her pap smear and she requested a nurse do it. Bonkers.

Because she told him her boyfriend gets very jealous.

Gross. Who talks like that? Or to a doctor for an std check?

Maybe that was a cry for help and she’s being abused. Did he ask those questions then since they were in a safe space?

Making the patient uncomfortable isn't how you address a DV situation, that's for sure.

Being uncomfortable is a perception.

So put it all on trial and we’ll see if it’s a valid or reasonable perception and accusation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If he'd gone through with the full meeting it's likely he would have been counseled and been allowed to finish. The school also referred him to counseling.

The reality is anyone can file a lawsuit that doesn't mean they'll win. Now a lot of defendants will just settle because it avoids legal fees and publicity.

He could not deal with the shame in the Indian social circle and took the extreme step.

What does that say about how he was raised then? Who needs a doctor teetering on the edge treating you?

You realize that doctors in general have very high suicide rates, right? Suggests there's a problem with the culture, stressors, professional threats, etc and not just that they are all weak.

He had a girlfriend and his family but kept the suicidal thoughts to himself. My primary doctor is Ivy-trained and highly regarded in our affluent city. Yet he has had debilitating episodes of depression. He gets himself help and has a strong wife, family and friends to support him. I do not consider him weak in the least. It is the ones that don't confide in those closest to them and get professional help that put their patients at risk.

He was talking to his gf and his parents it sounds like. He reached out to the counseling center, he was told to come back later.

A counseling center isn't a place for immediately suicidal patients. Every single medical office including counseling centers will tell you to call 911 if you're having an emergency. The counseling center not being open after hours wasn't the issue. He was a med student he knew he could have gone to the ER.

It's almost as if he was in distress and not thinking straight. I wonder what contributed to that.

Probably the university immediately pulling his graduation and work schedule upon the filing and it explaining if they were going to do an actual investigation and info gathering or not. Ie interview the nurse present, go over options.

Didn’t this happen in Texas? No name schools?

Love to see exactly what the med school or residency program communicated and if they followed HR procedures for a complaint and were transparent to the resident on the due process. Or did they just go bananas on him and never hear any other side of the story.?

Wait, was he in med school or was he a resident? These are completely different things.

I thought he was a third year med student doing rotations.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The patient has a far more solid lawsuit on her hands than the perverted pond scum

It's not a crime to be made uncomfortable. Who are you people.?

For starters a civil lawsuit against a hospital isn’t criminal court. Seems she was sexually harassed by a medical resident, then he used her medical chart to cyberstalk her (HIPPA violation), then he took his life and now his family is suggesting it was her fault??? That’s a lot of trauma!!! $$$

The family alleges the school effed up. They aren't suing her.

Totally innocuous to note the gal was seeing him for STD check. Totally not an attempt to insinuate she’s a promiscuous and lying western whore making false allegations against a high caste future surgeon.

+1. He was sleeping with his girlfriend (not wife) while trying to hook up with a patient so who is the whore?

I doubt he was trying to hook up with someone presenting with a nasty STI right in front of him.

He asked her if her boyfriend would mind him touching her! He then followed her on Instagram. AFTER (!!!!!) she refused to let him do her pap smear and she requested a nurse do it. Bonkers.

Because she told him her boyfriend gets very jealous.

Gross. Who talks like that? Or to a doctor for an std check?

Maybe that was a cry for help and she’s being abused. Did he ask those questions then since they were in a safe space?

Making the patient uncomfortable isn't how you address a DV situation, that's for sure.

Being uncomfortable is a perception.

So put it all on trial and we’ll see if it’s a valid or reasonable perception and accusation.

That was the plan but he didn’t let it play out or stick around to defend himself.