Med student allegedly inappropriate with female patient and commits suicide after disciplinary action

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If he'd gone through with the full meeting it's likely he would have been counseled and been allowed to finish. The school also referred him to counseling.

The reality is anyone can file a lawsuit that doesn't mean they'll win. Now a lot of defendants will just settle because it avoids legal fees and publicity.

He could not deal with the shame in the Indian social circle and took the extreme step.

What does that say about how he was raised then? Who needs a doctor teetering on the edge treating you?

You realize that doctors in general have very high suicide rates, right? Suggests there's a problem with the culture, stressors, professional threats, etc and not just that they are all weak.

Maybe society should stop putting them on a pedestal so they don't have to worry about falling so far.

So maybe they should make becoming a dr an online 2 yr degree. Because then they wouldn't be so invested and have spent so many years training just to become a dr only to have it derailed by an ob-gyn patient who doesn't want to answer routine questions. Is that what you mean? There's a lot on the line here whether you want to admit it or not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If he'd gone through with the full meeting it's likely he would have been counseled and been allowed to finish. The school also referred him to counseling.

The reality is anyone can file a lawsuit that doesn't mean they'll win. Now a lot of defendants will just settle because it avoids legal fees and publicity.

He could not deal with the shame in the Indian social circle and took the extreme step.

What does that say about how he was raised then? Who needs a doctor teetering on the edge treating you?

You realize that doctors in general have very high suicide rates, right? Suggests there's a problem with the culture, stressors, professional threats, etc and not just that they are all weak.

Maybe society should stop putting them on a pedestal so they don't have to worry about falling so far.

So maybe they should make becoming a dr an online 2 yr degree. Because then they wouldn't be so invested and have spent so many years training just to become a dr only to have it derailed by an ob-gyn patient who doesn't want to answer routine questions. Is that what you mean? There's a lot on the line here whether you want to admit it or not.

That's so telling that you think he was being appropriate. Blame the patient for the medical student's appalling lack of professionalism.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If he'd gone through with the full meeting it's likely he would have been counseled and been allowed to finish. The school also referred him to counseling.

The reality is anyone can file a lawsuit that doesn't mean they'll win. Now a lot of defendants will just settle because it avoids legal fees and publicity.

He could not deal with the shame in the Indian social circle and took the extreme step.

What does that say about how he was raised then? Who needs a doctor teetering on the edge treating you?

You realize that doctors in general have very high suicide rates, right? Suggests there's a problem with the culture, stressors, professional threats, etc and not just that they are all weak.

Maybe society should stop putting them on a pedestal so they don't have to worry about falling so far.

So maybe they should make becoming a dr an online 2 yr degree. Because then they wouldn't be so invested and have spent so many years training just to become a dr only to have it derailed by an ob-gyn patient who doesn't want to answer routine questions. Is that what you mean? There's a lot on the line here whether you want to admit it or not.

A lot of medical professionals work hard to achieve success and they don't take advantage of their patients to do it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If he'd gone through with the full meeting it's likely he would have been counseled and been allowed to finish. The school also referred him to counseling.

The reality is anyone can file a lawsuit that doesn't mean they'll win. Now a lot of defendants will just settle because it avoids legal fees and publicity.

He could not deal with the shame in the Indian social circle and took the extreme step.

What does that say about how he was raised then? Who needs a doctor teetering on the edge treating you?

You realize that doctors in general have very high suicide rates, right? Suggests there's a problem with the culture, stressors, professional threats, etc and not just that they are all weak.

He had a girlfriend and his family but kept the suicidal thoughts to himself. My primary doctor is Ivy-trained and highly regarded in our affluent city. Yet he has had debilitating episodes of depression. He gets himself help and has a strong wife, family and friends to support him. I do not consider him weak in the least. It is the ones that don't confide in those closest to them and get professional help that put their patients at risk.

He was talking to his gf and his parents it sounds like. He reached out to the counseling center, he was told to come back later.

A counseling center isn't a place for immediately suicidal patients. Every single medical office including counseling centers will tell you to call 911 if you're having an emergency. The counseling center not being open after hours wasn't the issue. He was a med student he knew he could have gone to the ER.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:If he'd gone through with the full meeting it's likely he would have been counseled and been allowed to finish. The school also referred him to counseling.

The reality is anyone can file a lawsuit that doesn't mean they'll win. Now a lot of defendants will just settle because it avoids legal fees and publicity.

He could not deal with the shame in the Indian social circle and took the extreme step.

What does that say about how he was raised then? Who needs a doctor teetering on the edge treating you?

You realize that doctors in general have very high suicide rates, right? Suggests there's a problem with the culture, stressors, professional threats, etc and not just that they are all weak.

He had a girlfriend and his family but kept the suicidal thoughts to himself. My primary doctor is Ivy-trained and highly regarded in our affluent city. Yet he has had debilitating episodes of depression. He gets himself help and has a strong wife, family and friends to support him. I do not consider him weak in the least. It is the ones that don't confide in those closest to them and get professional help that put their patients at risk.

He was talking to his gf and his parents it sounds like. He reached out to the counseling center, he was told to come back later.

A counseling center isn't a place for immediately suicidal patients. Every single medical office including counseling centers will tell you to call 911 if you're having an emergency. The counseling center not being open after hours wasn't the issue. He was a med student he knew he could have gone to the ER.

It's almost as if he was in distress and not thinking straight. I wonder what contributed to that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If he'd gone through with the full meeting it's likely he would have been counseled and been allowed to finish. The school also referred him to counseling.

The reality is anyone can file a lawsuit that doesn't mean they'll win. Now a lot of defendants will just settle because it avoids legal fees and publicity.

He could not deal with the shame in the Indian social circle and took the extreme step.

What does that say about how he was raised then? Who needs a doctor teetering on the edge treating you?

You realize that doctors in general have very high suicide rates, right? Suggests there's a problem with the culture, stressors, professional threats, etc and not just that they are all weak.

Maybe society should stop putting them on a pedestal so they don't have to worry about falling so far.

So maybe they should make becoming a dr an online 2 yr degree. Because then they wouldn't be so invested and have spent so many years training just to become a dr only to have it derailed by an ob-gyn patient who doesn't want to answer routine questions. Is that what you mean? There's a lot on the line here whether you want to admit it or not.

A lot of medical professionals work hard to achieve success and they don't take advantage of their patients to do it.

What does that have to do with suicide rates in the profession?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Even if he's in the wrong I can see the parents' side. This should never result in the suicide of a student. Had this been handled different with appropriate support he might still be alive.

Seems like the parents had blinders on and still do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Even if he's in the wrong I can see the parents' side. This should never result in the suicide of a student. Had this been handled different with appropriate support he might still be alive.

He was a grown man. Not a 5th grader.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If he'd gone through with the full meeting it's likely he would have been counseled and been allowed to finish. The school also referred him to counseling.

The reality is anyone can file a lawsuit that doesn't mean they'll win. Now a lot of defendants will just settle because it avoids legal fees and publicity.

He could not deal with the shame in the Indian social circle and took the extreme step.

What does that say about how he was raised then? Who needs a doctor teetering on the edge treating you?

You realize that doctors in general have very high suicide rates, right? Suggests there's a problem with the culture, stressors, professional threats, etc and not just that they are all weak.

He had a girlfriend and his family but kept the suicidal thoughts to himself. My primary doctor is Ivy-trained and highly regarded in our affluent city. Yet he has had debilitating episodes of depression. He gets himself help and has a strong wife, family and friends to support him. I do not consider him weak in the least. It is the ones that don't confide in those closest to them and get professional help that put their patients at risk.

He was talking to his gf and his parents it sounds like. He reached out to the counseling center, he was told to come back later.

A counseling center isn't a place for immediately suicidal patients. Every single medical office including counseling centers will tell you to call 911 if you're having an emergency. The counseling center not being open after hours wasn't the issue. He was a med student he knew he could have gone to the ER.

It's almost as if he was in distress and not thinking straight. I wonder what contributed to that.

He was thinking clearly enough to travel to buy a gun. People don't commit suicide rationally. The fact that someone killed themselves does not mean what they experienced was responsible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If he'd gone through with the full meeting it's likely he would have been counseled and been allowed to finish. The school also referred him to counseling.

The reality is anyone can file a lawsuit that doesn't mean they'll win. Now a lot of defendants will just settle because it avoids legal fees and publicity.

He could not deal with the shame in the Indian social circle and took the extreme step.

What does that say about how he was raised then? Who needs a doctor teetering on the edge treating you?

You realize that doctors in general have very high suicide rates, right? Suggests there's a problem with the culture, stressors, professional threats, etc and not just that they are all weak.

He had a girlfriend and his family but kept the suicidal thoughts to himself. My primary doctor is Ivy-trained and highly regarded in our affluent city. Yet he has had debilitating episodes of depression. He gets himself help and has a strong wife, family and friends to support him. I do not consider him weak in the least. It is the ones that don't confide in those closest to them and get professional help that put their patients at risk.

He was talking to his gf and his parents it sounds like. He reached out to the counseling center, he was told to come back later.

A counseling center isn't a place for immediately suicidal patients. Every single medical office including counseling centers will tell you to call 911 if you're having an emergency. The counseling center not being open after hours wasn't the issue. He was a med student he knew he could have gone to the ER.

It's almost as if he was in distress and not thinking straight. I wonder what contributed to that.

Lack of grit. Lack of coping skills. Lack of ever needing to answer for his behavior until this point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If he'd gone through with the full meeting it's likely he would have been counseled and been allowed to finish. The school also referred him to counseling.

The reality is anyone can file a lawsuit that doesn't mean they'll win. Now a lot of defendants will just settle because it avoids legal fees and publicity.

He could not deal with the shame in the Indian social circle and took the extreme step.

What does that say about how he was raised then? Who needs a doctor teetering on the edge treating you?

You realize that doctors in general have very high suicide rates, right? Suggests there's a problem with the culture, stressors, professional threats, etc and not just that they are all weak.

He had a girlfriend and his family but kept the suicidal thoughts to himself. My primary doctor is Ivy-trained and highly regarded in our affluent city. Yet he has had debilitating episodes of depression. He gets himself help and has a strong wife, family and friends to support him. I do not consider him weak in the least. It is the ones that don't confide in those closest to them and get professional help that put their patients at risk.

He was talking to his gf and his parents it sounds like. He reached out to the counseling center, he was told to come back later.

A counseling center isn't a place for immediately suicidal patients. Every single medical office including counseling centers will tell you to call 911 if you're having an emergency. The counseling center not being open after hours wasn't the issue. He was a med student he knew he could have gone to the ER.

It's almost as if he was in distress and not thinking straight. I wonder what contributed to that.

He was thinking clearly enough to travel to buy a gun. People don't commit suicide rationally. The fact that someone killed themselves does not mean what they experienced was responsible.

So an irrational person might not call 911 or check himself into the hospital.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If he'd gone through with the full meeting it's likely he would have been counseled and been allowed to finish. The school also referred him to counseling.

The reality is anyone can file a lawsuit that doesn't mean they'll win. Now a lot of defendants will just settle because it avoids legal fees and publicity.

He could not deal with the shame in the Indian social circle and took the extreme step.

What does that say about how he was raised then? Who needs a doctor teetering on the edge treating you?

You realize that doctors in general have very high suicide rates, right? Suggests there's a problem with the culture, stressors, professional threats, etc and not just that they are all weak.

He had a girlfriend and his family but kept the suicidal thoughts to himself. My primary doctor is Ivy-trained and highly regarded in our affluent city. Yet he has had debilitating episodes of depression. He gets himself help and has a strong wife, family and friends to support him. I do not consider him weak in the least. It is the ones that don't confide in those closest to them and get professional help that put their patients at risk.

He was talking to his gf and his parents it sounds like. He reached out to the counseling center, he was told to come back later.

A counseling center isn't a place for immediately suicidal patients. Every single medical office including counseling centers will tell you to call 911 if you're having an emergency. The counseling center not being open after hours wasn't the issue. He was a med student he knew he could have gone to the ER.

It's almost as if he was in distress and not thinking straight. I wonder what contributed to that.

Lack of grit. Lack of coping skills. Lack of ever needing to answer for his behavior until this point.

If you commit suicide you were the problem. Lack of grit. Good to know.

[Anonymous]

So, if the email had been sent during regular business hours and the med student had opened it at 11:30 pm, would the parents still be suing the school?

It sounds as though the school was following the standard protocol for this type of situation. I really can’t see how sending an email at any particular time makes a difference, since the receiver of an email might open it at any time of the day or night, not only right after it was received.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If he'd gone through with the full meeting it's likely he would have been counseled and been allowed to finish. The school also referred him to counseling.

The reality is anyone can file a lawsuit that doesn't mean they'll win. Now a lot of defendants will just settle because it avoids legal fees and publicity.

He could not deal with the shame in the Indian social circle and took the extreme step.

What does that say about how he was raised then? Who needs a doctor teetering on the edge treating you?

You realize that doctors in general have very high suicide rates, right? Suggests there's a problem with the culture, stressors, professional threats, etc and not just that they are all weak.

He had a girlfriend and his family but kept the suicidal thoughts to himself. My primary doctor is Ivy-trained and highly regarded in our affluent city. Yet he has had debilitating episodes of depression. He gets himself help and has a strong wife, family and friends to support him. I do not consider him weak in the least. It is the ones that don't confide in those closest to them and get professional help that put their patients at risk.

He was talking to his gf and his parents it sounds like. He reached out to the counseling center, he was told to come back later.

A counseling center isn't a place for immediately suicidal patients. Every single medical office including counseling centers will tell you to call 911 if you're having an emergency. The counseling center not being open after hours wasn't the issue. He was a med student he knew he could have gone to the ER.

It's almost as if he was in distress and not thinking straight. I wonder what contributed to that.

Lack of grit. Lack of coping skills. Lack of ever needing to answer for his behavior until this point.

If you commit suicide you were the problem. Lack of grit. Good to know.

If you commit suicide, you are mentally unstable. That does not mean the world was responsible for it. It’s clear you don’t think he bears any responsibility for the situation he put himself in. And yes, he lacked basic emotional coping skills. He probably never even had a bad grade before.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, if the email had been sent during regular business hours and the med student had opened it at 11:30 pm, would the parents still be suing the school?

It sounds as though the school was following the standard protocol for this type of situation. I really can’t see how sending an email at any particular time makes a difference, since the receiver of an email might open it at any time of the day or night, not only right after it was received.

Of course. Someone will insist this meeting needed to be face to face. And then when that person didn't recognize the suicidal signs, they would be blamed.