Lively/Baldoni Lawsuit Part 2

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Anonymous wrote:It is still all over the place and the accounts do not match. We have Blake’s deposition, but I’ve also read the make up artist’s account and it sounded nothing like Blake.

The makeup artist said Heath was knocking on the door and three women yelled “don’t come in! Don’t come in!” And he came in. That is not what Blake said in her deposition at all.

Blake's deposition: "I don't know if it was unlocked at that point. He attempted to come in and we stopped him from coming in." And then, "He unexpectedly came to my trailer, knocked on the door, said, "We've got to talk." I said, "We can't talk right now. I'll be there in a few minutes. I'm getting done as fast as I can so we can have this meeting." He said, "Oh, no, we've got to talk now" --"

Vivian Baker deposition: "I -- I -- I think there was a knock. The -- what I remember most specifically is all three of us. So there must have been a knock, saying, "No, don't come in," and, "No, don't come in." It was quite loud. So that they wouldn't come in. It was myself, Anne, and all Blake saying it at the same time." And then, "After they opened the door, we all saw that it was Jamey. And there was a -- and Blake said -- I don't remember exactly what he said, but I remember her saying, "I'll talk to you about this later." Like, "Let me -- go ahead and move on. I'll get dressed. We'll talk about it later." And I think he said something to the tune of, "No, we'll do it now.""

Shelley Ann Carroll deposition:
Q You stated that you, Ms. Lively, and Ms. Baker verbally indicated something to the effect
of whoa, whoa whoa when Mr. Heath was opening the door; is that right?
A Yes.
Q And did you, Ms. Lively, Ms. Baker give a loud verbal indication that the trailer was occupied at that point in time?
A I believe we were speaking loudly.
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Q And did Mr. Heath nevertheless open the door to the hair and makeup trailer?
A Yes.

Consistent.

These are all different accounts. The makeup artist’s is the most jarring. Blake’s is actually a bit toned down.

I find it odd that Ryan Reynolds would berate Justin about going behind her back asking her trainer her weight, but he doesn’t berate Heath for bursting in her room when she says don’t come in and refusing to leave when she’s undressed? And they’re walking around calling Justin a predator and he should be in jail but he’s not saying anything about this interaction with Heath?

Something is not adding up here. Ryan did not seem to have much distain for Heath in terms of singling him out. It was all directed toward Baldoni in terms of getting him removed from WME,etc.

I really wish I could read the original New York Times article but it’s now behind a pay wall and I’m not a subscriber.

All three women say the same thing. Good job trying to deflect from that. Your night school classes in misdirection are helping. Hang in there!

But all three women are not in fact saying the same thing. These are widely different accounts. Blake is not even remembering if the trailer was unlocked so she’s implying that someone could’ve let him in. I get it. It was a long time ago, but saying that these three women have the same accounts is just not accurate at all.

Was the trailer locked and someone opened it and told him to come back later? That is implied in one of these accounts. Or did he knock and someone told him from behind the door to come back later, but he refused. Or did he burst in like the makeup artist said and after they screamed, don’t come in don’t come in.

One is saying “there must’ve been a knock.” Which doesn’t sound like she is 100 percent certain there was a knock.

They’re all saying that Jamie Heath arrived at the makeup trailer that night. They’re all saying that there was a conversation that took place. No one is disputing that, but they have all reported widely different details and the details really matter here.

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Anonymous wrote:Not surprisingly, Blake has already been caught lying in her depo. She testified at deposition that she didn’t tell anyone to unfollow Justin, but Coleen Hoover, when asked at her deposition why she unfollowed Justin, replied that Blake told her too.

Not surprising at all that Blake would lie in her deposition when there are multiple allegations in her complaint since revealed to be lies.

And yet people are literally showing you right now that what people on this thread have alleged to have been "revealed" as lies are not lies, and that Lively's deposition testimony and that of other witnesses are corroborating her allegations from her complaint.

I really am starting to think that the Baldoni Bro on this thread is a paid shill because why would anyone go to bat for Baldoni in this way despite clear evidence to the contrary? No one even knew who he was before all this. It makes no sense.

Lady, there is the dance scene, her lies about telling others to unfollow him, her lies about the black panties, her lies about the birthing video, her lies about the circumcision conversation, her lies about Flaa, etc . .

Cite it. Show us the lies. Not a link to a reddit thread or a summary of a tweet. Show us the evidence proving she lied. I want to see it.

Why do you think this thread is 108 pages. Because you keep rehashing the same disproven allegations over and over. It’s all in here lady, start on page one and reread if you must.

So what you are saying is: you can't cite it. Gotcha, Baldoni Bro.

No, I am saying there is so much evidence that contradicts Blake’s complaint that it can’t be contained in one post but you can go back and read all of it.

Try starting with some of it then. Should be easy, right? Lay out how the evidence disproves one of her claims.

Use actual evidence though. Not reddit is Twitter. Links and quotes.

DP but this is bugging me. People keep using Reddit as if is not a reliable source. I’m not the poster you are referring to, but when I have used Reddit, I mean that I get the actual links to documents there. Official court documents, the depositions, texts submitted to the court and such.

Yes, there is a lot of commenting on Reddit and videos of lawyers like nag doing analysis which is interesting too, but when many of us are referencing something on Reddit are actually meaning that that is how we get the official court documents.

There are some very diligent posters on Reddit who have organized the court documents very nicely and linked to them so people can follow the case closely. I just don’t think we should be dismissing that.

DP (not the person you are replying to) and I agree with this. There are parts of reddit like that. But there's also parts where someone will take a screenshot of something from the docket, highlight it (let's say, it's from Wayfarer's account of what happened) and post it as "proof that Blake lied" or something. I think that's the type of thing that's being referred to, not people who are getting links to the full documents via reddit. I like to ask for the full, in-context source, no issues with that.

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Anonymous wrote:The "cop a look phrase" never came from Blake. This was something Wayfarer put in that timeline document early on -- it is their characterization of how Lively later described the incident when she discussed it with Heath and Baldoni. They claim she said she knew he wasn't trying to "cop a look." But Blake never testified to saying that. She has consistently said that she told him not to come in and then when he insisted, asked him to look at the wall, and then he looked at her anyway.

They specifically brought up that quote at oral argument so they have something more than recollection. They probably recorded the conversation where she said it. Jamie Heath recorded pretty much everything.

He testified he rarely recorded anything but a handful of phone calls he turned over in discovery.

Again, the WF lawyers are relying on some piece of evidence when making the representation to the Court. Blake has been found to be lying with respect to pretty much all of her allegations, so not surprising this is another one.

You can't even point to a court transcript saying they made that representation in court. What is your evidence this was even raised in court? Some tweet with a summary of oral arguments?

And no, there is zero evidence that they are relying on "some piece of evidence" (that for mysterious reasons has not been listed in any of the pleadings thus far nor unsealed) when they say stuff like this. That comment originally came from the timeline Wayfarer put together early in the case. It has not been corroborated and Blake certainly didn't testify to.

This is increasingly embarrassing for the Baldoni Bro.

Well, you posted the entire oral argument transcript posted on Twitter word for word in this thread and it’s very clearly there.

No, [expletive redacted for manners]. I posted direct quotes from Lively's deposition as recorded by an official court reporter and submitted on the docket, and linked directly to that deposition so you can check to see that I transcribed it correctly. I wasn't quoting a Twitter thread because I'm not a total idiot.

You cherry picked. I read Blake’s deposition and she told him he could come in b/c she did not want to have to postpone the other meeting. She also did say in front of witnesses at a subsequent meeting I know you weren’t trying to cop a look.

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Anonymous wrote:It is still all over the place and the accounts do not match. We have Blake’s deposition, but I’ve also read the make up artist’s account and it sounded nothing like Blake.

The makeup artist said Heath was knocking on the door and three women yelled “don’t come in! Don’t come in!” And he came in. That is not what Blake said in her deposition at all.

Blake's deposition: "I don't know if it was unlocked at that point. He attempted to come in and we stopped him from coming in." And then, "He unexpectedly came to my trailer, knocked on the door, said, "We've got to talk." I said, "We can't talk right now. I'll be there in a few minutes. I'm getting done as fast as I can so we can have this meeting." He said, "Oh, no, we've got to talk now" --"

Vivian Baker deposition: "I -- I -- I think there was a knock. The -- what I remember most specifically is all three of us. So there must have been a knock, saying, "No, don't come in," and, "No, don't come in." It was quite loud. So that they wouldn't come in. It was myself, Anne, and all Blake saying it at the same time." And then, "After they opened the door, we all saw that it was Jamey. And there was a -- and Blake said -- I don't remember exactly what he said, but I remember her saying, "I'll talk to you about this later." Like, "Let me -- go ahead and move on. I'll get dressed. We'll talk about it later." And I think he said something to the tune of, "No, we'll do it now.""

Shelley Ann Carroll deposition:
Q You stated that you, Ms. Lively, and Ms. Baker verbally indicated something to the effect
of whoa, whoa whoa when Mr. Heath was opening the door; is that right?
A Yes.
Q And did you, Ms. Lively, Ms. Baker give a loud verbal indication that the trailer was occupied at that point in time?
A I believe we were speaking loudly.
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Q And did Mr. Heath nevertheless open the door to the hair and makeup trailer?
A Yes.

Consistent.

These are all different accounts. The makeup artist’s is the most jarring. Blake’s is actually a bit toned down.

I find it odd that Ryan Reynolds would berate Justin about going behind her back asking her trainer her weight, but he doesn’t berate Heath for bursting in her room when she says don’t come in and refusing to leave when she’s undressed? And they’re walking around calling Justin a predator and he should be in jail but he’s not saying anything about this interaction with Heath?

Something is not adding up here. Ryan did not seem to have much distain for Heath in terms of singling him out. It was all directed toward Baldoni in terms of getting him removed from WME,etc.

I really wish I could read the original New York Times article but it’s now behind a pay wall and I’m not a subscriber.

Yes this. All of their disdain was directed at Justin and never Heath b/c this was never about SH, it was always about control. Now that Blake’s case against Justin is falling apart, they’re pivoting to Jamey, but the contemporaneous evidence does not support that Blake felt harassed by Heath.

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Anonymous wrote:It is still all over the place and the accounts do not match. We have Blake’s deposition, but I’ve also read the make up artist’s account and it sounded nothing like Blake.

The makeup artist said Heath was knocking on the door and three women yelled “don’t come in! Don’t come in!” And he came in. That is not what Blake said in her deposition at all.

Blake's deposition: "I don't know if it was unlocked at that point. He attempted to come in and we stopped him from coming in." And then, "He unexpectedly came to my trailer, knocked on the door, said, "We've got to talk." I said, "We can't talk right now. I'll be there in a few minutes. I'm getting done as fast as I can so we can have this meeting." He said, "Oh, no, we've got to talk now" --"

Vivian Baker deposition: "I -- I -- I think there was a knock. The -- what I remember most specifically is all three of us. So there must have been a knock, saying, "No, don't come in," and, "No, don't come in." It was quite loud. So that they wouldn't come in. It was myself, Anne, and all Blake saying it at the same time." And then, "After they opened the door, we all saw that it was Jamey. And there was a -- and Blake said -- I don't remember exactly what he said, but I remember her saying, "I'll talk to you about this later." Like, "Let me -- go ahead and move on. I'll get dressed. We'll talk about it later." And I think he said something to the tune of, "No, we'll do it now.""

Shelley Ann Carroll deposition:
Q You stated that you, Ms. Lively, and Ms. Baker verbally indicated something to the effect
of whoa, whoa whoa when Mr. Heath was opening the door; is that right?
A Yes.
Q And did you, Ms. Lively, Ms. Baker give a loud verbal indication that the trailer was occupied at that point in time?
A I believe we were speaking loudly.
...
Q And did Mr. Heath nevertheless open the door to the hair and makeup trailer?
A Yes.

Consistent.

These are all different accounts. The makeup artist’s is the most jarring. Blake’s is actually a bit toned down.

I find it odd that Ryan Reynolds would berate Justin about going behind her back asking her trainer her weight, but he doesn’t berate Heath for bursting in her room when she says don’t come in and refusing to leave when she’s undressed? And they’re walking around calling Justin a predator and he should be in jail but he’s not saying anything about this interaction with Heath?

Something is not adding up here. Ryan did not seem to have much distain for Heath in terms of singling him out. It was all directed toward Baldoni in terms of getting him removed from WME,etc.

I really wish I could read the original New York Times article but it’s now behind a pay wall and I’m not a subscriber.

All three women say the same thing. Good job trying to deflect from that. Your night school classes in misdirection are helping. Hang in there!

But all three women are not in fact saying the same thing. These are widely different accounts. Blake is not even remembering if the trailer was unlocked so she’s implying that someone could’ve let him in. I get it. It was a long time ago, but saying that these three women have the same accounts is just not accurate at all.

Was the trailer locked and someone opened it and told him to come back later? That is implied in one of these accounts. Or did he knock and someone told him from behind the door to come back later, but he refused. Or did he burst in like the makeup artist said and after they screamed, don’t come in don’t come in.

One is saying “there must’ve been a knock.” Which doesn’t sound like she is 100 percent certain there was a knock.

They’re all saying that Jamie Heath arrived at the makeup trailer that night. They’re all saying that there was a conversation that took place. No one is disputing that, but they have all reported widely different details and the details really matter here.

I think you are looking to be confused. They all said he knocked, and all three said "no, no, no" or "don't come in" or something to that effect. And then they all testify that he came in anyway, and that Lively asked to do the meeting when she was done, and he said that no, it had to happen now. The also all testified to hurriedly trying to finish their work and to being shaken and uncomfortable afterward, and that moving forward they would lock the makeup trailer door which was an unusual thing to do in that situation.

Blake was asked directly if the trailer door was locked. Since she wasn't near the door and didn't open it, she said "I don't know." Because she can't know if maybe Jamey had a key to the door and unlocked it from the outside to come in or something. She testified to him coming in after knocking, though.

The MUA who said "there must have been a knock" said that because she remembers all three of them telling whoever it was not to come in. She remembers that clearly. She may not remember the knock clearly, but she is thinking that they knew someone was outside and wanted in and that they objected, so there must have been a knock. Again, this is someone being honest about the limitations of their memory. Perhaps Jamey had called out "can I come in" and they all responded. She can't remember if someone knocked or they found out another way that they wanted in, but she remembers distinctly how the three women in the trailer responded.

If you've ever put together testimony from multiple people about the same sequence of events, you'd know this is remarkably consistent testimony. They do not contradict each other. Only Jamey's testimony (saying they said "come in") is inconsistent.

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Anonymous wrote:It is still all over the place and the accounts do not match. We have Blake’s deposition, but I’ve also read the make up artist’s account and it sounded nothing like Blake.

The makeup artist said Heath was knocking on the door and three women yelled “don’t come in! Don’t come in!” And he came in. That is not what Blake said in her deposition at all.

Blake's deposition: "I don't know if it was unlocked at that point. He attempted to come in and we stopped him from coming in." And then, "He unexpectedly came to my trailer, knocked on the door, said, "We've got to talk." I said, "We can't talk right now. I'll be there in a few minutes. I'm getting done as fast as I can so we can have this meeting." He said, "Oh, no, we've got to talk now" --"

Vivian Baker deposition: "I -- I -- I think there was a knock. The -- what I remember most specifically is all three of us. So there must have been a knock, saying, "No, don't come in," and, "No, don't come in." It was quite loud. So that they wouldn't come in. It was myself, Anne, and all Blake saying it at the same time." And then, "After they opened the door, we all saw that it was Jamey. And there was a -- and Blake said -- I don't remember exactly what he said, but I remember her saying, "I'll talk to you about this later." Like, "Let me -- go ahead and move on. I'll get dressed. We'll talk about it later." And I think he said something to the tune of, "No, we'll do it now.""

Shelley Ann Carroll deposition:
Q You stated that you, Ms. Lively, and Ms. Baker verbally indicated something to the effect
of whoa, whoa whoa when Mr. Heath was opening the door; is that right?
A Yes.
Q And did you, Ms. Lively, Ms. Baker give a loud verbal indication that the trailer was occupied at that point in time?
A I believe we were speaking loudly.
...
Q And did Mr. Heath nevertheless open the door to the hair and makeup trailer?
A Yes.

Consistent.

These are all different accounts. The makeup artist’s is the most jarring. Blake’s is actually a bit toned down.

I find it odd that Ryan Reynolds would berate Justin about going behind her back asking her trainer her weight, but he doesn’t berate Heath for bursting in her room when she says don’t come in and refusing to leave when she’s undressed? And they’re walking around calling Justin a predator and he should be in jail but he’s not saying anything about this interaction with Heath?

Something is not adding up here. Ryan did not seem to have much distain for Heath in terms of singling him out. It was all directed toward Baldoni in terms of getting him removed from WME,etc.

I really wish I could read the original New York Times article but it’s now behind a pay wall and I’m not a subscriber.

Yes this. All of their disdain was directed at Justin and never Heath b/c this was never about SH, it was always about control. Now that Blake’s case against Justin is falling apart, they’re pivoting to Jamey, but the contemporaneous evidence does not support that Blake felt harassed by Heath.

There is a bunch of contemporaneous evidence of Blake being unhappy with Jamey, including texts with Jenny Slate and Liz Plank.

Blake obviously interacted more closely with Justin because he was her costar and director. You are never going to be as intimate with someone who is a producer on the set as with someone you are actually in scenes with (portraying a couple) or the person directing those scenes.

Jenny even says at some point in a text with her agent or manager that she knows she has to deal with Justin until the film is out, because he's the director, but that she never wants to see Heath again.

They were equally unhappy with both of them but it was easier to avoid Jamey most of the time than to avoid Justin, especially for Blake.

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Anonymous wrote:The "cop a look phrase" never came from Blake. This was something Wayfarer put in that timeline document early on -- it is their characterization of how Lively later described the incident when she discussed it with Heath and Baldoni. They claim she said she knew he wasn't trying to "cop a look." But Blake never testified to saying that. She has consistently said that she told him not to come in and then when he insisted, asked him to look at the wall, and then he looked at her anyway.

They specifically brought up that quote at oral argument so they have something more than recollection. They probably recorded the conversation where she said it. Jamie Heath recorded pretty much everything.

He testified he rarely recorded anything but a handful of phone calls he turned over in discovery.

Again, the WF lawyers are relying on some piece of evidence when making the representation to the Court. Blake has been found to be lying with respect to pretty much all of her allegations, so not surprising this is another one.

You can't even point to a court transcript saying they made that representation in court. What is your evidence this was even raised in court? Some tweet with a summary of oral arguments?

And no, there is zero evidence that they are relying on "some piece of evidence" (that for mysterious reasons has not been listed in any of the pleadings thus far nor unsealed) when they say stuff like this. That comment originally came from the timeline Wayfarer put together early in the case. It has not been corroborated and Blake certainly didn't testify to.

This is increasingly embarrassing for the Baldoni Bro.

Well, you posted the entire oral argument transcript posted on Twitter word for word in this thread and it’s very clearly there.

No, [expletive redacted for manners]. I posted direct quotes from Lively's deposition as recorded by an official court reporter and submitted on the docket, and linked directly to that deposition so you can check to see that I transcribed it correctly. I wasn't quoting a Twitter thread because I'm not a total idiot.

You cherry picked. I read Blake’s deposition and she told him he could come in b/c she did not want to have to postpone the other meeting. She also did say in front of witnesses at a subsequent meeting I know you weren’t trying to cop a look.

Blake only said he could stay (in order to avoid postponing the meeting) after Jamey enters without permission and refuses to leave when asked. This is very clear in her deposition.

Where are the depositions of witnesses saying that Blake said "I know you weren't trying to cop a look"? Where is the evidence this actually happened?

I feel I should also say that insisting on looking at a colleague who is undressed is still harassment even if you aren't doing it to "cop a look." It is a violation. If your boss walked in on you when you were in your underwear and you asked them to leave and they refused and just stood there looking at you, would it matter to you if they weren't like turned on by looking at you? They might be doing it to humiliate you or simply to show you that you don't have the power to decide when they look at you and under what circumstances, even just to assert that you should be clothed before speaking to them. And if your job literally required you to undress at work multiple times a day, as Blake's does, a boss who insists they have a right to look at you while undressed would feel very threatening, don't you think?

So even if he wasn't "trying to cop a look," it was still wrong for him to insist on holding that meeting while Blake was naked and could not get dressed. It's still a violation.

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Blake and Ryan going viral with two other detestable psychopathic bullies must be more of the fake bot-fueled negative PR campaign!

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Anonymous wrote:The "cop a look phrase" never came from Blake. This was something Wayfarer put in that timeline document early on -- it is their characterization of how Lively later described the incident when she discussed it with Heath and Baldoni. They claim she said she knew he wasn't trying to "cop a look." But Blake never testified to saying that. She has consistently said that she told him not to come in and then when he insisted, asked him to look at the wall, and then he looked at her anyway.

They specifically brought up that quote at oral argument so they have something more than recollection. They probably recorded the conversation where she said it. Jamie Heath recorded pretty much everything.

He testified he rarely recorded anything but a handful of phone calls he turned over in discovery.

Again, the WF lawyers are relying on some piece of evidence when making the representation to the Court. Blake has been found to be lying with respect to pretty much all of her allegations, so not surprising this is another one.

You can't even point to a court transcript saying they made that representation in court. What is your evidence this was even raised in court? Some tweet with a summary of oral arguments?

And no, there is zero evidence that they are relying on "some piece of evidence" (that for mysterious reasons has not been listed in any of the pleadings thus far nor unsealed) when they say stuff like this. That comment originally came from the timeline Wayfarer put together early in the case. It has not been corroborated and Blake certainly didn't testify to.

This is increasingly embarrassing for the Baldoni Bro.

Well, you posted the entire oral argument transcript posted on Twitter word for word in this thread and it’s very clearly there.

No, [expletive redacted for manners]. I posted direct quotes from Lively's deposition as recorded by an official court reporter and submitted on the docket, and linked directly to that deposition so you can check to see that I transcribed it correctly. I wasn't quoting a Twitter thread because I'm not a total idiot.

You cherry picked. I read Blake’s deposition and she told him he could come in b/c she did not want to have to postpone the other meeting. She also did say in front of witnesses at a subsequent meeting I know you weren’t trying to cop a look.

Blake only said he could stay (in order to avoid postponing the meeting) after Jamey enters without permission and refuses to leave when asked. This is very clear in her deposition.

Where are the depositions of witnesses saying that Blake said "I know you weren't trying to cop a look"? Where is the evidence this actually happened?

I feel I should also say that insisting on looking at a colleague who is undressed is still harassment even if you aren't doing it to "cop a look." It is a violation. If your boss walked in on you when you were in your underwear and you asked them to leave and they refused and just stood there looking at you, would it matter to you if they weren't like turned on by looking at you? They might be doing it to humiliate you or simply to show you that you don't have the power to decide when they look at you and under what circumstances, even just to assert that you should be clothed before speaking to them. And if your job literally required you to undress at work multiple times a day, as Blake's does, a boss who insists they have a right to look at you while undressed would feel very threatening, don't you think?

So even if he wasn't "trying to cop a look," it was still wrong for him to insist on holding that meeting while Blake was naked and could not get dressed. It's still a violation.

There is other evidence on the record that Blake wasn’t nude and Heath was in her trailer for only a few minutes (less than 5 per both Jamey and Blake’s account). He later apologized to her in the event that the encounter may her uncomfortable and she responded it’s ok, I know you didn’t cop a look”. Perhaps start reading the WF evidence and legal filings instead of just Blake’s.

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Anonymous wrote:Blake and Ryan going viral with two other detestable psychopathic bullies must be more of the fake bot-fueled negative PR campaign!

Uh, this is a photo of four people at an awards show 8 years ago. If it's "going viral" then actually I would assume it's due to bots or at least PR meddling because there is nothing newsworthy about this photo. Why are you posting it here?

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Anonymous wrote:Blake and Ryan going viral with two other detestable psychopathic bullies must be more of the fake bot-fueled negative PR campaign!

More like lavender marriages united

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Anonymous wrote:The "cop a look phrase" never came from Blake. This was something Wayfarer put in that timeline document early on -- it is their characterization of how Lively later described the incident when she discussed it with Heath and Baldoni. They claim she said she knew he wasn't trying to "cop a look." But Blake never testified to saying that. She has consistently said that she told him not to come in and then when he insisted, asked him to look at the wall, and then he looked at her anyway.

They specifically brought up that quote at oral argument so they have something more than recollection. They probably recorded the conversation where she said it. Jamie Heath recorded pretty much everything.

He testified he rarely recorded anything but a handful of phone calls he turned over in discovery.

Again, the WF lawyers are relying on some piece of evidence when making the representation to the Court. Blake has been found to be lying with respect to pretty much all of her allegations, so not surprising this is another one.

You can't even point to a court transcript saying they made that representation in court. What is your evidence this was even raised in court? Some tweet with a summary of oral arguments?

And no, there is zero evidence that they are relying on "some piece of evidence" (that for mysterious reasons has not been listed in any of the pleadings thus far nor unsealed) when they say stuff like this. That comment originally came from the timeline Wayfarer put together early in the case. It has not been corroborated and Blake certainly didn't testify to.

This is increasingly embarrassing for the Baldoni Bro.

Well, you posted the entire oral argument transcript posted on Twitter word for word in this thread and it’s very clearly there.

No, [expletive redacted for manners]. I posted direct quotes from Lively's deposition as recorded by an official court reporter and submitted on the docket, and linked directly to that deposition so you can check to see that I transcribed it correctly. I wasn't quoting a Twitter thread because I'm not a total idiot.

You cherry picked. I read Blake’s deposition and she told him he could come in b/c she did not want to have to postpone the other meeting. She also did say in front of witnesses at a subsequent meeting I know you weren’t trying to cop a look.

Blake only said he could stay (in order to avoid postponing the meeting) after Jamey enters without permission and refuses to leave when asked. This is very clear in her deposition.

Where are the depositions of witnesses saying that Blake said "I know you weren't trying to cop a look"? Where is the evidence this actually happened?

I feel I should also say that insisting on looking at a colleague who is undressed is still harassment even if you aren't doing it to "cop a look." It is a violation. If your boss walked in on you when you were in your underwear and you asked them to leave and they refused and just stood there looking at you, would it matter to you if they weren't like turned on by looking at you? They might be doing it to humiliate you or simply to show you that you don't have the power to decide when they look at you and under what circumstances, even just to assert that you should be clothed before speaking to them. And if your job literally required you to undress at work multiple times a day, as Blake's does, a boss who insists they have a right to look at you while undressed would feel very threatening, don't you think?

So even if he wasn't "trying to cop a look," it was still wrong for him to insist on holding that meeting while Blake was naked and could not get dressed. It's still a violation.

There is other evidence on the record that Blake wasn’t nude and Heath was in her trailer for only a few minutes (less than 5 per both Jamey and Blake’s account). He later apologized to her in the event that the encounter may her uncomfortable and she responded it’s ok, I know you didn’t cop a look”. Perhaps start reading the WF evidence and legal filings instead of just Blake’s.

Maybe you should read their evidence. Heath did not testify that she was clothed -- he claimed that he didn't know if she was clothed or not and thought she was asking him to turn around because she was nursing. However he did admit under questioning that obviously the reason a nursing mother would ask someone to turn around during nursing is because it necessitates being unclothed.

Here is Heath in his deposition speaking about the incident. This is p. 145-147, I have removed objections for clarity:

Q: I guess my question is, you understood, though, from your discussions with her that the issue about you entering her trailer was because she was nude from the waist up, right?
A: No.
Q: You did think she asked you to turn around because she was nude from the waist up?
A: I did not think that.
Q: Does she typically ask you to turn around when she's having conversations with you when she has her clothes on?
A: Fair.
Q: Okay.
A: I didn't see her, what she was wearing or not wearing. I saw that she was leaning back, and it looked like she was either feeding or maybe nursing -- or pumping. That's what it appeared she was doing. When she asked me to look away, I thought it was in that regard.
Q: I understand --
A: So I never saw it, so I didn't question that. So I moved over and looked away based on that.
Q: Okay. But even nursing or pumping involves activity with a woman's breasts, right?
A: Sure.
Q: And you understood that it was in that context that she was asking you not to look, right?
A: Fair. She asked me to look away, so whatever she was doing, she didn't want me to --
Q Right.
A Sure.
Q And what she was doing was something that had to do with her breasts being exposed or involved?
A Okay.

Here is the link to the deposition so that you can check my transcription: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304.1072.24.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:The "cop a look phrase" never came from Blake. This was something Wayfarer put in that timeline document early on -- it is their characterization of how Lively later described the incident when she discussed it with Heath and Baldoni. They claim she said she knew he wasn't trying to "cop a look." But Blake never testified to saying that. She has consistently said that she told him not to come in and then when he insisted, asked him to look at the wall, and then he looked at her anyway.

They specifically brought up that quote at oral argument so they have something more than recollection. They probably recorded the conversation where she said it. Jamie Heath recorded pretty much everything.

He testified he rarely recorded anything but a handful of phone calls he turned over in discovery.

Again, the WF lawyers are relying on some piece of evidence when making the representation to the Court. Blake has been found to be lying with respect to pretty much all of her allegations, so not surprising this is another one.

You can't even point to a court transcript saying they made that representation in court. What is your evidence this was even raised in court? Some tweet with a summary of oral arguments?

And no, there is zero evidence that they are relying on "some piece of evidence" (that for mysterious reasons has not been listed in any of the pleadings thus far nor unsealed) when they say stuff like this. That comment originally came from the timeline Wayfarer put together early in the case. It has not been corroborated and Blake certainly didn't testify to.

This is increasingly embarrassing for the Baldoni Bro.

Well, you posted the entire oral argument transcript posted on Twitter word for word in this thread and it’s very clearly there.

No, [expletive redacted for manners]. I posted direct quotes from Lively's deposition as recorded by an official court reporter and submitted on the docket, and linked directly to that deposition so you can check to see that I transcribed it correctly. I wasn't quoting a Twitter thread because I'm not a total idiot.

You cherry picked. I read Blake’s deposition and she told him he could come in b/c she did not want to have to postpone the other meeting. She also did say in front of witnesses at a subsequent meeting I know you weren’t trying to cop a look.

Blake only said he could stay (in order to avoid postponing the meeting) after Jamey enters without permission and refuses to leave when asked. This is very clear in her deposition.

Where are the depositions of witnesses saying that Blake said "I know you weren't trying to cop a look"? Where is the evidence this actually happened?

I feel I should also say that insisting on looking at a colleague who is undressed is still harassment even if you aren't doing it to "cop a look." It is a violation. If your boss walked in on you when you were in your underwear and you asked them to leave and they refused and just stood there looking at you, would it matter to you if they weren't like turned on by looking at you? They might be doing it to humiliate you or simply to show you that you don't have the power to decide when they look at you and under what circumstances, even just to assert that you should be clothed before speaking to them. And if your job literally required you to undress at work multiple times a day, as Blake's does, a boss who insists they have a right to look at you while undressed would feel very threatening, don't you think?

So even if he wasn't "trying to cop a look," it was still wrong for him to insist on holding that meeting while Blake was naked and could not get dressed. It's still a violation.

There is other evidence on the record that Blake wasn’t nude and Heath was in her trailer for only a few minutes (less than 5 per both Jamey and Blake’s account). He later apologized to her in the event that the encounter may her uncomfortable and she responded it’s ok, I know you didn’t cop a look”. Perhaps start reading the WF evidence and legal filings instead of just Blake’s.

Maybe you should read their evidence. Heath did not testify that she was clothed -- he claimed that he didn't know if she was clothed or not and thought she was asking him to turn around because she was nursing. However he did admit under questioning that obviously the reason a nursing mother would ask someone to turn around during nursing is because it necessitates being unclothed.

Here is Heath in his deposition speaking about the incident. This is p. 145-147, I have removed objections for clarity:

Q: I guess my question is, you understood, though, from your discussions with her that the issue about you entering her trailer was because she was nude from the waist up, right?
A: No.
Q: You did think she asked you to turn around because she was nude from the waist up?
A: I did not think that.
Q: Does she typically ask you to turn around when she's having conversations with you when she has her clothes on?
A: Fair.
Q: Okay.
A: I didn't see her, what she was wearing or not wearing. I saw that she was leaning back, and it looked like she was either feeding or maybe nursing -- or pumping. That's what it appeared she was doing. When she asked me to look away, I thought it was in that regard.
Q: I understand --
A: So I never saw it, so I didn't question that. So I moved over and looked away based on that.
Q: Okay. But even nursing or pumping involves activity with a woman's breasts, right?
A: Sure.
Q: And you understood that it was in that context that she was asking you not to look, right?
A: Fair. She asked me to look away, so whatever she was doing, she didn't want me to --
Q Right.
A Sure.
Q And what she was doing was something that had to do with her breasts being exposed or involved?
A Okay.

Here is the link to the deposition so that you can check my transcription: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304.1072.24.pdf

He quite clearly says “no” when asked if she was nude from the waist up. Surely you read these excerpts before you post them, right? Most women breastfeed without being nude.

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Here is what Heath says Lively said about the trailer incident in the June 1st meeting (where she raised concerns about safety on set). This is p. 223 of his deposition:

"After she had said something about, as I said, that she thought the video at first was porn, recognized that it wasn't, because it's not. She then said, also, you know, when you came into the trailer a couple of weeks, I asked you to look away and at some point you made eye contact with me. And I was like, oh, I didn't even know that. She says, I'm not saying you were trying to cop a look. I'm just saying that I had asked you to turn away, and you made eye contact with me. I was like, oh I'm so sorry. I didn't even realize that. Maybe I happened to glance through conversation. I have no memory of it. But -- and then she moved onto the next."

This is what Alex Sachs texted to Ange Giannetti after the June 1st meeting, on the subject of the trailer incident:

"And then, she also mentioned that I guess on day two, Jamey went into Blake's trailer. And she was like, 'Oh actually, I'm getting body makeup done. Well, you can come in if you don't look.' And apparently he was looking in her direction the entire conversation when she turned around."

This is the only account we have from Sachs about what was said about the trailer incident at the June 1 meeting, because in her deposition Sachs said she didn't remember anything that had been said at the meeting, and could only confirm that these texts had been sent to Ange contemporaneously and must have represented her perception at the time.

I cannot find the parts of Baldoni's deposition where he talked about this conversation in the June 1 meeting. It would be between p. 232 and p. 240 because the meeting is introduced as a subject on p. 232, but these pages appear to be under seal still.

So the only person saying that Lively said she knew Heath wasn't trying to "cop a look" is Heath. And he touches on it briefly while also saying he doesn't remember the underlying incident at all, even though everyone else involved (Blake, the MUA and the hairdresser) all have fairly strong memories of the incident.

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Anonymous wrote:The "cop a look phrase" never came from Blake. This was something Wayfarer put in that timeline document early on -- it is their characterization of how Lively later described the incident when she discussed it with Heath and Baldoni. They claim she said she knew he wasn't trying to "cop a look." But Blake never testified to saying that. She has consistently said that she told him not to come in and then when he insisted, asked him to look at the wall, and then he looked at her anyway.

They specifically brought up that quote at oral argument so they have something more than recollection. They probably recorded the conversation where she said it. Jamie Heath recorded pretty much everything.

He testified he rarely recorded anything but a handful of phone calls he turned over in discovery.

Again, the WF lawyers are relying on some piece of evidence when making the representation to the Court. Blake has been found to be lying with respect to pretty much all of her allegations, so not surprising this is another one.

You can't even point to a court transcript saying they made that representation in court. What is your evidence this was even raised in court? Some tweet with a summary of oral arguments?

And no, there is zero evidence that they are relying on "some piece of evidence" (that for mysterious reasons has not been listed in any of the pleadings thus far nor unsealed) when they say stuff like this. That comment originally came from the timeline Wayfarer put together early in the case. It has not been corroborated and Blake certainly didn't testify to.

This is increasingly embarrassing for the Baldoni Bro.

Well, you posted the entire oral argument transcript posted on Twitter word for word in this thread and it’s very clearly there.

No, [expletive redacted for manners]. I posted direct quotes from Lively's deposition as recorded by an official court reporter and submitted on the docket, and linked directly to that deposition so you can check to see that I transcribed it correctly. I wasn't quoting a Twitter thread because I'm not a total idiot.

You cherry picked. I read Blake’s deposition and she told him he could come in b/c she did not want to have to postpone the other meeting. She also did say in front of witnesses at a subsequent meeting I know you weren’t trying to cop a look.

Blake only said he could stay (in order to avoid postponing the meeting) after Jamey enters without permission and refuses to leave when asked. This is very clear in her deposition.

Where are the depositions of witnesses saying that Blake said "I know you weren't trying to cop a look"? Where is the evidence this actually happened?

I feel I should also say that insisting on looking at a colleague who is undressed is still harassment even if you aren't doing it to "cop a look." It is a violation. If your boss walked in on you when you were in your underwear and you asked them to leave and they refused and just stood there looking at you, would it matter to you if they weren't like turned on by looking at you? They might be doing it to humiliate you or simply to show you that you don't have the power to decide when they look at you and under what circumstances, even just to assert that you should be clothed before speaking to them. And if your job literally required you to undress at work multiple times a day, as Blake's does, a boss who insists they have a right to look at you while undressed would feel very threatening, don't you think?

So even if he wasn't "trying to cop a look," it was still wrong for him to insist on holding that meeting while Blake was naked and could not get dressed. It's still a violation.

There is other evidence on the record that Blake wasn’t nude and Heath was in her trailer for only a few minutes (less than 5 per both Jamey and Blake’s account). He later apologized to her in the event that the encounter may her uncomfortable and she responded it’s ok, I know you didn’t cop a look”. Perhaps start reading the WF evidence and legal filings instead of just Blake’s.

Maybe you should read their evidence. Heath did not testify that she was clothed -- he claimed that he didn't know if she was clothed or not and thought she was asking him to turn around because she was nursing. However he did admit under questioning that obviously the reason a nursing mother would ask someone to turn around during nursing is because it necessitates being unclothed.

Here is Heath in his deposition speaking about the incident. This is p. 145-147, I have removed objections for clarity:

Q: I guess my question is, you understood, though, from your discussions with her that the issue about you entering her trailer was because she was nude from the waist up, right?
A: No.
Q: You did think she asked you to turn around because she was nude from the waist up?
A: I did not think that.
Q: Does she typically ask you to turn around when she's having conversations with you when she has her clothes on?
A: Fair.
Q: Okay.
A: I didn't see her, what she was wearing or not wearing. I saw that she was leaning back, and it looked like she was either feeding or maybe nursing -- or pumping. That's what it appeared she was doing. When she asked me to look away, I thought it was in that regard.
Q: I understand --
A: So I never saw it, so I didn't question that. So I moved over and looked away based on that.
Q: Okay. But even nursing or pumping involves activity with a woman's breasts, right?
A: Sure.
Q: And you understood that it was in that context that she was asking you not to look, right?
A: Fair. She asked me to look away, so whatever she was doing, she didn't want me to --
Q Right.
A Sure.
Q And what she was doing was something that had to do with her breasts being exposed or involved?
A Okay.

Here is the link to the deposition so that you can check my transcription: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304.1072.24.pdf

He quite clearly says “no” when asked if she was nude from the waist up. Surely you read these excerpts before you post them, right? Most women breastfeed without being nude.

But then he says "I didn't see her, what she was wearing or not wearing." So which is it -- he remembers she was clothed or he doesn't know?

And then he says she asked him to turn around and that he understood her to be asking him to turn around because she was nursing, and he also said he understood that the reason someone would ask you to turn around while nursing is because their breasts are exposed and they don't want you to see their breasts.

Heath is trying to play dumb but he can't, not without just outright lying. He knew she was exposed and that the reason she asked him to turn around was so that he would not see her exposed.