Lively/Baldoni Lawsuit Part 2

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Anonymous wrote:Here is what Heath says Lively said about the trailer incident in the June 1st meeting (where she raised concerns about safety on set). This is p. 223 of his deposition:

"After she had said something about, as I said, that she thought the video at first was porn, recognized that it wasn't, because it's not. She then said, also, you know, when you came into the trailer a couple of weeks, I asked you to look away and at some point you made eye contact with me. And I was like, oh, I didn't even know that. She says, I'm not saying you were trying to cop a look. I'm just saying that I had asked you to turn away, and you made eye contact with me. I was like, oh I'm so sorry. I didn't even realize that. Maybe I happened to glance through conversation. I have no memory of it. But -- and then she moved onto the next."

This is what Alex Sachs texted to Ange Giannetti after the June 1st meeting, on the subject of the trailer incident:

"And then, she also mentioned that I guess on day two, Jamey went into Blake's trailer. And she was like, 'Oh actually, I'm getting body makeup done. Well, you can come in if you don't look.' And apparently he was looking in her direction the entire conversation when she turned around."

This is the only account we have from Sachs about what was said about the trailer incident at the June 1 meeting, because in her deposition Sachs said she didn't remember anything that had been said at the meeting, and could only confirm that these texts had been sent to Ange contemporaneously and must have represented her perception at the time.

I cannot find the parts of Baldoni's deposition where he talked about this conversation in the June 1 meeting. It would be between p. 232 and p. 240 because the meeting is introduced as a subject on p. 232, but these pages appear to be under seal still.

So the only person saying that Lively said she knew Heath wasn't trying to "cop a look" is Heath. And he touches on it briefly while also saying he doesn't remember the underlying incident at all, even though everyone else involved (Blake, the MUA and the hairdresser) all have fairly strong memories of the incident.

Clearly the make up artist and hairdresser were not at the meeting where Blake made the “cope a look” remark, so they could not have “strong memories” of that meeting.

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Anonymous wrote:The "cop a look phrase" never came from Blake. This was something Wayfarer put in that timeline document early on -- it is their characterization of how Lively later described the incident when she discussed it with Heath and Baldoni. They claim she said she knew he wasn't trying to "cop a look." But Blake never testified to saying that. She has consistently said that she told him not to come in and then when he insisted, asked him to look at the wall, and then he looked at her anyway.

They specifically brought up that quote at oral argument so they have something more than recollection. They probably recorded the conversation where she said it. Jamie Heath recorded pretty much everything.

He testified he rarely recorded anything but a handful of phone calls he turned over in discovery.

Again, the WF lawyers are relying on some piece of evidence when making the representation to the Court. Blake has been found to be lying with respect to pretty much all of her allegations, so not surprising this is another one.

You can't even point to a court transcript saying they made that representation in court. What is your evidence this was even raised in court? Some tweet with a summary of oral arguments?

And no, there is zero evidence that they are relying on "some piece of evidence" (that for mysterious reasons has not been listed in any of the pleadings thus far nor unsealed) when they say stuff like this. That comment originally came from the timeline Wayfarer put together early in the case. It has not been corroborated and Blake certainly didn't testify to.

This is increasingly embarrassing for the Baldoni Bro.

Well, you posted the entire oral argument transcript posted on Twitter word for word in this thread and it’s very clearly there.

No, [expletive redacted for manners]. I posted direct quotes from Lively's deposition as recorded by an official court reporter and submitted on the docket, and linked directly to that deposition so you can check to see that I transcribed it correctly. I wasn't quoting a Twitter thread because I'm not a total idiot.

You cherry picked. I read Blake’s deposition and she told him he could come in b/c she did not want to have to postpone the other meeting. She also did say in front of witnesses at a subsequent meeting I know you weren’t trying to cop a look.

Blake only said he could stay (in order to avoid postponing the meeting) after Jamey enters without permission and refuses to leave when asked. This is very clear in her deposition.

Where are the depositions of witnesses saying that Blake said "I know you weren't trying to cop a look"? Where is the evidence this actually happened?

I feel I should also say that insisting on looking at a colleague who is undressed is still harassment even if you aren't doing it to "cop a look." It is a violation. If your boss walked in on you when you were in your underwear and you asked them to leave and they refused and just stood there looking at you, would it matter to you if they weren't like turned on by looking at you? They might be doing it to humiliate you or simply to show you that you don't have the power to decide when they look at you and under what circumstances, even just to assert that you should be clothed before speaking to them. And if your job literally required you to undress at work multiple times a day, as Blake's does, a boss who insists they have a right to look at you while undressed would feel very threatening, don't you think?

So even if he wasn't "trying to cop a look," it was still wrong for him to insist on holding that meeting while Blake was naked and could not get dressed. It's still a violation.

There is other evidence on the record that Blake wasn’t nude and Heath was in her trailer for only a few minutes (less than 5 per both Jamey and Blake’s account). He later apologized to her in the event that the encounter may her uncomfortable and she responded it’s ok, I know you didn’t cop a look”. Perhaps start reading the WF evidence and legal filings instead of just Blake’s.

Maybe you should read their evidence. Heath did not testify that she was clothed -- he claimed that he didn't know if she was clothed or not and thought she was asking him to turn around because she was nursing. However he did admit under questioning that obviously the reason a nursing mother would ask someone to turn around during nursing is because it necessitates being unclothed.

Here is Heath in his deposition speaking about the incident. This is p. 145-147, I have removed objections for clarity:

Q: I guess my question is, you understood, though, from your discussions with her that the issue about you entering her trailer was because she was nude from the waist up, right?
A: No.
Q: You did think she asked you to turn around because she was nude from the waist up?
A: I did not think that.
Q: Does she typically ask you to turn around when she's having conversations with you when she has her clothes on?
A: Fair.
Q: Okay.
A: I didn't see her, what she was wearing or not wearing. I saw that she was leaning back, and it looked like she was either feeding or maybe nursing -- or pumping. That's what it appeared she was doing. When she asked me to look away, I thought it was in that regard.
Q: I understand --
A: So I never saw it, so I didn't question that. So I moved over and looked away based on that.
Q: Okay. But even nursing or pumping involves activity with a woman's breasts, right?
A: Sure.
Q: And you understood that it was in that context that she was asking you not to look, right?
A: Fair. She asked me to look away, so whatever she was doing, she didn't want me to --
Q Right.
A Sure.
Q And what she was doing was something that had to do with her breasts being exposed or involved?
A Okay.

Here is the link to the deposition so that you can check my transcription: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304.1072.24.pdf

He quite clearly says “no” when asked if she was nude from the waist up. Surely you read these excerpts before you post them, right? Most women breastfeed without being nude.

But then he says "I didn't see her, what she was wearing or not wearing." So which is it -- he remembers she was clothed or he doesn't know?

And then he says she asked him to turn around and that he understood her to be asking him to turn around because she was nursing, and he also said he understood that the reason someone would ask you to turn around while nursing is because their breasts are exposed and they don't want you to see their breasts.

Heath is trying to play dumb but he can't, not without just outright lying. He knew she was exposed and that the reason she asked him to turn around was so that he would not see her exposed.

Well, she told him to look away and he did, so not really fair to expect him to memorize her clothing. Entirely consistent to know she wasn’t completely nude, but to not remember the details of what she was wearing when told not to look at her. He does say she was breast feeding.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is what Heath says Lively said about the trailer incident in the June 1st meeting (where she raised concerns about safety on set). This is p. 223 of his deposition:

"After she had said something about, as I said, that she thought the video at first was porn, recognized that it wasn't, because it's not. She then said, also, you know, when you came into the trailer a couple of weeks, I asked you to look away and at some point you made eye contact with me. And I was like, oh, I didn't even know that. She says, I'm not saying you were trying to cop a look. I'm just saying that I had asked you to turn away, and you made eye contact with me. I was like, oh I'm so sorry. I didn't even realize that. Maybe I happened to glance through conversation. I have no memory of it. But -- and then she moved onto the next."

This is what Alex Sachs texted to Ange Giannetti after the June 1st meeting, on the subject of the trailer incident:

"And then, she also mentioned that I guess on day two, Jamey went into Blake's trailer. And she was like, 'Oh actually, I'm getting body makeup done. Well, you can come in if you don't look.' And apparently he was looking in her direction the entire conversation when she turned around."

This is the only account we have from Sachs about what was said about the trailer incident at the June 1 meeting, because in her deposition Sachs said she didn't remember anything that had been said at the meeting, and could only confirm that these texts had been sent to Ange contemporaneously and must have represented her perception at the time.

I cannot find the parts of Baldoni's deposition where he talked about this conversation in the June 1 meeting. It would be between p. 232 and p. 240 because the meeting is introduced as a subject on p. 232, but these pages appear to be under seal still.

So the only person saying that Lively said she knew Heath wasn't trying to "cop a look" is Heath. And he touches on it briefly while also saying he doesn't remember the underlying incident at all, even though everyone else involved (Blake, the MUA and the hairdresser) all have fairly strong memories of the incident.

Clearly the make up artist and hairdresser were not at the meeting where Blake made the “cope a look” remark, so they could not have “strong memories” of that meeting.

I said Heath claims he doesn't remember the underlying incident at all, yet somehow remembers Lively later saying she knew he wasn't trying to cop a look during this event he has no memory of.

My point is that everyone else involved in the underlying incident has a clear memory of it, including that Heath was told not to come in and that Lively was only wearing underwear.Heath claims to have no memory of it but somehow to remember clearly that they told him to come in and that later Lively absolved him of doing anything wrong.

Alex Sachs' contemporaneous account of the June 1st meeting indicates that Lively's description of the incident was clear, quite negative, and Alex doesn't mention anything about Lively saying Heath wasn't trying to cop a look.

I believe the consistent accounts provided by multiple people over the one guy who doesn't remember anything except when he does and then changes his story under questioning, sorry.

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Anonymous wrote:The "cop a look phrase" never came from Blake. This was something Wayfarer put in that timeline document early on -- it is their characterization of how Lively later described the incident when she discussed it with Heath and Baldoni. They claim she said she knew he wasn't trying to "cop a look." But Blake never testified to saying that. She has consistently said that she told him not to come in and then when he insisted, asked him to look at the wall, and then he looked at her anyway.

They specifically brought up that quote at oral argument so they have something more than recollection. They probably recorded the conversation where she said it. Jamie Heath recorded pretty much everything.

He testified he rarely recorded anything but a handful of phone calls he turned over in discovery.

Again, the WF lawyers are relying on some piece of evidence when making the representation to the Court. Blake has been found to be lying with respect to pretty much all of her allegations, so not surprising this is another one.

You can't even point to a court transcript saying they made that representation in court. What is your evidence this was even raised in court? Some tweet with a summary of oral arguments?

And no, there is zero evidence that they are relying on "some piece of evidence" (that for mysterious reasons has not been listed in any of the pleadings thus far nor unsealed) when they say stuff like this. That comment originally came from the timeline Wayfarer put together early in the case. It has not been corroborated and Blake certainly didn't testify to.

This is increasingly embarrassing for the Baldoni Bro.

Well, you posted the entire oral argument transcript posted on Twitter word for word in this thread and it’s very clearly there.

No, [expletive redacted for manners]. I posted direct quotes from Lively's deposition as recorded by an official court reporter and submitted on the docket, and linked directly to that deposition so you can check to see that I transcribed it correctly. I wasn't quoting a Twitter thread because I'm not a total idiot.

You cherry picked. I read Blake’s deposition and she told him he could come in b/c she did not want to have to postpone the other meeting. She also did say in front of witnesses at a subsequent meeting I know you weren’t trying to cop a look.

Blake only said he could stay (in order to avoid postponing the meeting) after Jamey enters without permission and refuses to leave when asked. This is very clear in her deposition.

Where are the depositions of witnesses saying that Blake said "I know you weren't trying to cop a look"? Where is the evidence this actually happened?

I feel I should also say that insisting on looking at a colleague who is undressed is still harassment even if you aren't doing it to "cop a look." It is a violation. If your boss walked in on you when you were in your underwear and you asked them to leave and they refused and just stood there looking at you, would it matter to you if they weren't like turned on by looking at you? They might be doing it to humiliate you or simply to show you that you don't have the power to decide when they look at you and under what circumstances, even just to assert that you should be clothed before speaking to them. And if your job literally required you to undress at work multiple times a day, as Blake's does, a boss who insists they have a right to look at you while undressed would feel very threatening, don't you think?

So even if he wasn't "trying to cop a look," it was still wrong for him to insist on holding that meeting while Blake was naked and could not get dressed. It's still a violation.

There is other evidence on the record that Blake wasn’t nude and Heath was in her trailer for only a few minutes (less than 5 per both Jamey and Blake’s account). He later apologized to her in the event that the encounter may her uncomfortable and she responded it’s ok, I know you didn’t cop a look”. Perhaps start reading the WF evidence and legal filings instead of just Blake’s.

Maybe you should read their evidence. Heath did not testify that she was clothed -- he claimed that he didn't know if she was clothed or not and thought she was asking him to turn around because she was nursing. However he did admit under questioning that obviously the reason a nursing mother would ask someone to turn around during nursing is because it necessitates being unclothed.

Here is Heath in his deposition speaking about the incident. This is p. 145-147, I have removed objections for clarity:

Q: I guess my question is, you understood, though, from your discussions with her that the issue about you entering her trailer was because she was nude from the waist up, right?
A: No.
Q: You did think she asked you to turn around because she was nude from the waist up?
A: I did not think that.
Q: Does she typically ask you to turn around when she's having conversations with you when she has her clothes on?
A: Fair.
Q: Okay.
A: I didn't see her, what she was wearing or not wearing. I saw that she was leaning back, and it looked like she was either feeding or maybe nursing -- or pumping. That's what it appeared she was doing. When she asked me to look away, I thought it was in that regard.
Q: I understand --
A: So I never saw it, so I didn't question that. So I moved over and looked away based on that.
Q: Okay. But even nursing or pumping involves activity with a woman's breasts, right?
A: Sure.
Q: And you understood that it was in that context that she was asking you not to look, right?
A: Fair. She asked me to look away, so whatever she was doing, she didn't want me to --
Q Right.
A Sure.
Q And what she was doing was something that had to do with her breasts being exposed or involved?
A Okay.

Here is the link to the deposition so that you can check my transcription: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304.1072.24.pdf

He quite clearly says “no” when asked if she was nude from the waist up. Surely you read these excerpts before you post them, right? Most women breastfeed without being nude.

But then he says "I didn't see her, what she was wearing or not wearing." So which is it -- he remembers she was clothed or he doesn't know?

And then he says she asked him to turn around and that he understood her to be asking him to turn around because she was nursing, and he also said he understood that the reason someone would ask you to turn around while nursing is because their breasts are exposed and they don't want you to see their breasts.

Heath is trying to play dumb but he can't, not without just outright lying. He knew she was exposed and that the reason she asked him to turn around was so that he would not see her exposed.

Well, she told him to look away and he did, so not really fair to expect him to memorize her clothing. Entirely consistent to know she wasn’t completely nude, but to not remember the details of what she was wearing when told not to look at her. He does say she was breast feeding.

Three people testified that he was looking directly at her after agreeing to turn around.

She was undressed.
He was asked not to come in and then asked to leave.
He refused but agreed to turn away.
Then he looked directly at her anyway.

That is not ok. I don't even like Blake Lively as an actress or her public persona, but she deserves a workplace where her boss doesn't look at her naked without her consent, because everyone does.

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The thing that I’m confused about is this sounds a lot worse now in the depositions than it did earlier and I’m just not sure why Blake and team would not lead with that. If he actually burst in when she was saying, I don’t want you here I’m undressed and he refused to leave, to me that almost drifts into assault territory, not harassment. I don’t know the actual definitions, but that’s just really aggressive behavior.

And yet, if you go back to the original complaint and the New York Times article, that item was kind of buried in a list. Blake had said that she routinely pumps and breast-feed around these guys as we know from her inviting Justin, even after she was clearly uncomfortable with him to run lines while she pumped in her trailer. She had said it was fairly routine for her to do that at different areas around set and it wasn’t a big deal. So that there was nothing really off about having a meeting while she was nursing or pumping, but that in this instance, she felt more uncomfortable. But there was no description of aggression here.

I’m also confused about was she getting makeup removed or was she nursing or pumping? It’s really hard to nurse or breast-feed and have them remove body makeup from her chest. And if they’re removing body makeup from her chest, someone could be standing in front of her So I would kind of want that clarified as well.

With all that was happening if she goes home and tells Ryan, Heath burst into my trailer, even though 3 of us yelled don’t come in, and he refused to leave after I told him to leave.I just don’t understand him not going apeshit. I mean anybody would.

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Anonymous wrote:The "cop a look phrase" never came from Blake. This was something Wayfarer put in that timeline document early on -- it is their characterization of how Lively later described the incident when she discussed it with Heath and Baldoni. They claim she said she knew he wasn't trying to "cop a look." But Blake never testified to saying that. She has consistently said that she told him not to come in and then when he insisted, asked him to look at the wall, and then he looked at her anyway.

They specifically brought up that quote at oral argument so they have something more than recollection. They probably recorded the conversation where she said it. Jamie Heath recorded pretty much everything.

He testified he rarely recorded anything but a handful of phone calls he turned over in discovery.

Again, the WF lawyers are relying on some piece of evidence when making the representation to the Court. Blake has been found to be lying with respect to pretty much all of her allegations, so not surprising this is another one.

You can't even point to a court transcript saying they made that representation in court. What is your evidence this was even raised in court? Some tweet with a summary of oral arguments?

And no, there is zero evidence that they are relying on "some piece of evidence" (that for mysterious reasons has not been listed in any of the pleadings thus far nor unsealed) when they say stuff like this. That comment originally came from the timeline Wayfarer put together early in the case. It has not been corroborated and Blake certainly didn't testify to.

This is increasingly embarrassing for the Baldoni Bro.

Well, you posted the entire oral argument transcript posted on Twitter word for word in this thread and it’s very clearly there.

No, [expletive redacted for manners]. I posted direct quotes from Lively's deposition as recorded by an official court reporter and submitted on the docket, and linked directly to that deposition so you can check to see that I transcribed it correctly. I wasn't quoting a Twitter thread because I'm not a total idiot.

You cherry picked. I read Blake’s deposition and she told him he could come in b/c she did not want to have to postpone the other meeting. She also did say in front of witnesses at a subsequent meeting I know you weren’t trying to cop a look.

Blake only said he could stay (in order to avoid postponing the meeting) after Jamey enters without permission and refuses to leave when asked. This is very clear in her deposition.

Where are the depositions of witnesses saying that Blake said "I know you weren't trying to cop a look"? Where is the evidence this actually happened?

I feel I should also say that insisting on looking at a colleague who is undressed is still harassment even if you aren't doing it to "cop a look." It is a violation. If your boss walked in on you when you were in your underwear and you asked them to leave and they refused and just stood there looking at you, would it matter to you if they weren't like turned on by looking at you? They might be doing it to humiliate you or simply to show you that you don't have the power to decide when they look at you and under what circumstances, even just to assert that you should be clothed before speaking to them. And if your job literally required you to undress at work multiple times a day, as Blake's does, a boss who insists they have a right to look at you while undressed would feel very threatening, don't you think?

So even if he wasn't "trying to cop a look," it was still wrong for him to insist on holding that meeting while Blake was naked and could not get dressed. It's still a violation.

There is other evidence on the record that Blake wasn’t nude and Heath was in her trailer for only a few minutes (less than 5 per both Jamey and Blake’s account). He later apologized to her in the event that the encounter may her uncomfortable and she responded it’s ok, I know you didn’t cop a look”. Perhaps start reading the WF evidence and legal filings instead of just Blake’s.

Maybe you should read their evidence. Heath did not testify that she was clothed -- he claimed that he didn't know if she was clothed or not and thought she was asking him to turn around because she was nursing. However he did admit under questioning that obviously the reason a nursing mother would ask someone to turn around during nursing is because it necessitates being unclothed.

Here is Heath in his deposition speaking about the incident. This is p. 145-147, I have removed objections for clarity:

Q: I guess my question is, you understood, though, from your discussions with her that the issue about you entering her trailer was because she was nude from the waist up, right?
A: No.
Q: You did think she asked you to turn around because she was nude from the waist up?
A: I did not think that.
Q: Does she typically ask you to turn around when she's having conversations with you when she has her clothes on?
A: Fair.
Q: Okay.
A: I didn't see her, what she was wearing or not wearing. I saw that she was leaning back, and it looked like she was either feeding or maybe nursing -- or pumping. That's what it appeared she was doing. When she asked me to look away, I thought it was in that regard.
Q: I understand --
A: So I never saw it, so I didn't question that. So I moved over and looked away based on that.
Q: Okay. But even nursing or pumping involves activity with a woman's breasts, right?
A: Sure.
Q: And you understood that it was in that context that she was asking you not to look, right?
A: Fair. She asked me to look away, so whatever she was doing, she didn't want me to --
Q Right.
A Sure.
Q And what she was doing was something that had to do with her breasts being exposed or involved?
A Okay.

Here is the link to the deposition so that you can check my transcription: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304.1072.24.pdf

He quite clearly says “no” when asked if she was nude from the waist up. Surely you read these excerpts before you post them, right? Most women breastfeed without being nude.

But then he says "I didn't see her, what she was wearing or not wearing." So which is it -- he remembers she was clothed or he doesn't know?

And then he says she asked him to turn around and that he understood her to be asking him to turn around because she was nursing, and he also said he understood that the reason someone would ask you to turn around while nursing is because their breasts are exposed and they don't want you to see their breasts.

Heath is trying to play dumb but he can't, not without just outright lying. He knew she was exposed and that the reason she asked him to turn around was so that he would not see her exposed.

Well, she told him to look away and he did, so not really fair to expect him to memorize her clothing. Entirely consistent to know she wasn’t completely nude, but to not remember the details of what she was wearing when told not to look at her. He does say she was breast feeding.

Three people testified that he was looking directly at her after agreeing to turn around.

She was undressed.
He was asked not to come in and then asked to leave.
He refused but agreed to turn away.
Then he looked directly at her anyway.

That is not ok. I don't even like Blake Lively as an actress or her public persona, but she deserves a workplace where her boss doesn't look at her naked without her consent, because everyone does.

We’ll have to consider all the sworn testimony , not just Blake and her personal employees. Further the testimony of Blake and her employees are not even consistent among themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:The thing that I’m confused about is this sounds a lot worse now in the depositions than it did earlier and I’m just not sure why Blake and team would not lead with that. If he actually burst in when she was saying, I don’t want you here I’m undressed and he refused to leave, to me that almost drifts into assault territory, not harassment. I don’t know the actual definitions, but that’s just really aggressive behavior.

And yet, if you go back to the original complaint and the New York Times article, that item was kind of buried in a list. Blake had said that she routinely pumps and breast-feed around these guys as we know from her inviting Justin, even after she was clearly uncomfortable with him to run lines while she pumped in her trailer. She had said it was fairly routine for her to do that at different areas around set and it wasn’t a big deal. So that there was nothing really off about having a meeting while she was nursing or pumping, but that in this instance, she felt more uncomfortable. But there was no description of aggression here.

I’m also confused about was she getting makeup removed or was she nursing or pumping? It’s really hard to nurse or breast-feed and have them remove body makeup from her chest. And if they’re removing body makeup from her chest, someone could be standing in front of her So I would kind of want that clarified as well.

With all that was happening if she goes home and tells Ryan, Heath burst into my trailer, even though 3 of us yelled don’t come in, and he refused to leave after I told him to leave.I just don’t understand him not going apeshit. I mean anybody would.

Right, because we all know it didn’t occur that way. All except Blake bot.

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Anonymous wrote:The "cop a look phrase" never came from Blake. This was something Wayfarer put in that timeline document early on -- it is their characterization of how Lively later described the incident when she discussed it with Heath and Baldoni. They claim she said she knew he wasn't trying to "cop a look." But Blake never testified to saying that. She has consistently said that she told him not to come in and then when he insisted, asked him to look at the wall, and then he looked at her anyway.

They specifically brought up that quote at oral argument so they have something more than recollection. They probably recorded the conversation where she said it. Jamie Heath recorded pretty much everything.

He testified he rarely recorded anything but a handful of phone calls he turned over in discovery.

Again, the WF lawyers are relying on some piece of evidence when making the representation to the Court. Blake has been found to be lying with respect to pretty much all of her allegations, so not surprising this is another one.

You can't even point to a court transcript saying they made that representation in court. What is your evidence this was even raised in court? Some tweet with a summary of oral arguments?

And no, there is zero evidence that they are relying on "some piece of evidence" (that for mysterious reasons has not been listed in any of the pleadings thus far nor unsealed) when they say stuff like this. That comment originally came from the timeline Wayfarer put together early in the case. It has not been corroborated and Blake certainly didn't testify to.

This is increasingly embarrassing for the Baldoni Bro.

Well, you posted the entire oral argument transcript posted on Twitter word for word in this thread and it’s very clearly there.

No, [expletive redacted for manners]. I posted direct quotes from Lively's deposition as recorded by an official court reporter and submitted on the docket, and linked directly to that deposition so you can check to see that I transcribed it correctly. I wasn't quoting a Twitter thread because I'm not a total idiot.

You cherry picked. I read Blake’s deposition and she told him he could come in b/c she did not want to have to postpone the other meeting. She also did say in front of witnesses at a subsequent meeting I know you weren’t trying to cop a look.

Blake only said he could stay (in order to avoid postponing the meeting) after Jamey enters without permission and refuses to leave when asked. This is very clear in her deposition.

Where are the depositions of witnesses saying that Blake said "I know you weren't trying to cop a look"? Where is the evidence this actually happened?

I feel I should also say that insisting on looking at a colleague who is undressed is still harassment even if you aren't doing it to "cop a look." It is a violation. If your boss walked in on you when you were in your underwear and you asked them to leave and they refused and just stood there looking at you, would it matter to you if they weren't like turned on by looking at you? They might be doing it to humiliate you or simply to show you that you don't have the power to decide when they look at you and under what circumstances, even just to assert that you should be clothed before speaking to them. And if your job literally required you to undress at work multiple times a day, as Blake's does, a boss who insists they have a right to look at you while undressed would feel very threatening, don't you think?

So even if he wasn't "trying to cop a look," it was still wrong for him to insist on holding that meeting while Blake was naked and could not get dressed. It's still a violation.

There is other evidence on the record that Blake wasn’t nude and Heath was in her trailer for only a few minutes (less than 5 per both Jamey and Blake’s account). He later apologized to her in the event that the encounter may her uncomfortable and she responded it’s ok, I know you didn’t cop a look”. Perhaps start reading the WF evidence and legal filings instead of just Blake’s.

Maybe you should read their evidence. Heath did not testify that she was clothed -- he claimed that he didn't know if she was clothed or not and thought she was asking him to turn around because she was nursing. However he did admit under questioning that obviously the reason a nursing mother would ask someone to turn around during nursing is because it necessitates being unclothed.

Here is Heath in his deposition speaking about the incident. This is p. 145-147, I have removed objections for clarity:

Q: I guess my question is, you understood, though, from your discussions with her that the issue about you entering her trailer was because she was nude from the waist up, right?
A: No.
Q: You did think she asked you to turn around because she was nude from the waist up?
A: I did not think that.
Q: Does she typically ask you to turn around when she's having conversations with you when she has her clothes on?
A: Fair.
Q: Okay.
A: I didn't see her, what she was wearing or not wearing. I saw that she was leaning back, and it looked like she was either feeding or maybe nursing -- or pumping. That's what it appeared she was doing. When she asked me to look away, I thought it was in that regard.
Q: I understand --
A: So I never saw it, so I didn't question that. So I moved over and looked away based on that.
Q: Okay. But even nursing or pumping involves activity with a woman's breasts, right?
A: Sure.
Q: And you understood that it was in that context that she was asking you not to look, right?
A: Fair. She asked me to look away, so whatever she was doing, she didn't want me to --
Q Right.
A Sure.
Q And what she was doing was something that had to do with her breasts being exposed or involved?
A Okay.

Here is the link to the deposition so that you can check my transcription: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304.1072.24.pdf

He quite clearly says “no” when asked if she was nude from the waist up. Surely you read these excerpts before you post them, right? Most women breastfeed without being nude.

But then he says "I didn't see her, what she was wearing or not wearing." So which is it -- he remembers she was clothed or he doesn't know?

And then he says she asked him to turn around and that he understood her to be asking him to turn around because she was nursing, and he also said he understood that the reason someone would ask you to turn around while nursing is because their breasts are exposed and they don't want you to see their breasts.

Heath is trying to play dumb but he can't, not without just outright lying. He knew she was exposed and that the reason she asked him to turn around was so that he would not see her exposed.

Well, she told him to look away and he did, so not really fair to expect him to memorize her clothing. Entirely consistent to know she wasn’t completely nude, but to not remember the details of what she was wearing when told not to look at her. He does say she was breast feeding.

Three people testified that he was looking directly at her after agreeing to turn around.

She was undressed.
He was asked not to come in and then asked to leave.
He refused but agreed to turn away.
Then he looked directly at her anyway.

That is not ok. I don't even like Blake Lively as an actress or her public persona, but she deserves a workplace where her boss doesn't look at her naked without her consent, because everyone does.

We’ll have to consider all the sworn testimony , not just Blake and her personal employees. Further the testimony of Blake and her employees are not even consistent among themselves.

Even Heath admits under oath that she asked him to turn around and that she must have done so because she was unclothed/exposed and didn't want him to see.

The MUA and hairstylist were employees of the movie, not Blake.

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Anonymous wrote:The "cop a look phrase" never came from Blake. This was something Wayfarer put in that timeline document early on -- it is their characterization of how Lively later described the incident when she discussed it with Heath and Baldoni. They claim she said she knew he wasn't trying to "cop a look." But Blake never testified to saying that. She has consistently said that she told him not to come in and then when he insisted, asked him to look at the wall, and then he looked at her anyway.

They specifically brought up that quote at oral argument so they have something more than recollection. They probably recorded the conversation where she said it. Jamie Heath recorded pretty much everything.

He testified he rarely recorded anything but a handful of phone calls he turned over in discovery.

Again, the WF lawyers are relying on some piece of evidence when making the representation to the Court. Blake has been found to be lying with respect to pretty much all of her allegations, so not surprising this is another one.

You can't even point to a court transcript saying they made that representation in court. What is your evidence this was even raised in court? Some tweet with a summary of oral arguments?

And no, there is zero evidence that they are relying on "some piece of evidence" (that for mysterious reasons has not been listed in any of the pleadings thus far nor unsealed) when they say stuff like this. That comment originally came from the timeline Wayfarer put together early in the case. It has not been corroborated and Blake certainly didn't testify to.

This is increasingly embarrassing for the Baldoni Bro.

Well, you posted the entire oral argument transcript posted on Twitter word for word in this thread and it’s very clearly there.

No, [expletive redacted for manners]. I posted direct quotes from Lively's deposition as recorded by an official court reporter and submitted on the docket, and linked directly to that deposition so you can check to see that I transcribed it correctly. I wasn't quoting a Twitter thread because I'm not a total idiot.

You cherry picked. I read Blake’s deposition and she told him he could come in b/c she did not want to have to postpone the other meeting. She also did say in front of witnesses at a subsequent meeting I know you weren’t trying to cop a look.

Blake only said he could stay (in order to avoid postponing the meeting) after Jamey enters without permission and refuses to leave when asked. This is very clear in her deposition.

Where are the depositions of witnesses saying that Blake said "I know you weren't trying to cop a look"? Where is the evidence this actually happened?

I feel I should also say that insisting on looking at a colleague who is undressed is still harassment even if you aren't doing it to "cop a look." It is a violation. If your boss walked in on you when you were in your underwear and you asked them to leave and they refused and just stood there looking at you, would it matter to you if they weren't like turned on by looking at you? They might be doing it to humiliate you or simply to show you that you don't have the power to decide when they look at you and under what circumstances, even just to assert that you should be clothed before speaking to them. And if your job literally required you to undress at work multiple times a day, as Blake's does, a boss who insists they have a right to look at you while undressed would feel very threatening, don't you think?

So even if he wasn't "trying to cop a look," it was still wrong for him to insist on holding that meeting while Blake was naked and could not get dressed. It's still a violation.

There is other evidence on the record that Blake wasn’t nude and Heath was in her trailer for only a few minutes (less than 5 per both Jamey and Blake’s account). He later apologized to her in the event that the encounter may her uncomfortable and she responded it’s ok, I know you didn’t cop a look”. Perhaps start reading the WF evidence and legal filings instead of just Blake’s.

Maybe you should read their evidence. Heath did not testify that she was clothed -- he claimed that he didn't know if she was clothed or not and thought she was asking him to turn around because she was nursing. However he did admit under questioning that obviously the reason a nursing mother would ask someone to turn around during nursing is because it necessitates being unclothed.

Here is Heath in his deposition speaking about the incident. This is p. 145-147, I have removed objections for clarity:

Q: I guess my question is, you understood, though, from your discussions with her that the issue about you entering her trailer was because she was nude from the waist up, right?
A: No.
Q: You did think she asked you to turn around because she was nude from the waist up?
A: I did not think that.
Q: Does she typically ask you to turn around when she's having conversations with you when she has her clothes on?
A: Fair.
Q: Okay.
A: I didn't see her, what she was wearing or not wearing. I saw that she was leaning back, and it looked like she was either feeding or maybe nursing -- or pumping. That's what it appeared she was doing. When she asked me to look away, I thought it was in that regard.
Q: I understand --
A: So I never saw it, so I didn't question that. So I moved over and looked away based on that.
Q: Okay. But even nursing or pumping involves activity with a woman's breasts, right?
A: Sure.
Q: And you understood that it was in that context that she was asking you not to look, right?
A: Fair. She asked me to look away, so whatever she was doing, she didn't want me to --
Q Right.
A Sure.
Q And what she was doing was something that had to do with her breasts being exposed or involved?
A Okay.

Here is the link to the deposition so that you can check my transcription: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304.1072.24.pdf

He quite clearly says “no” when asked if she was nude from the waist up. Surely you read these excerpts before you post them, right? Most women breastfeed without being nude.

But then he says "I didn't see her, what she was wearing or not wearing." So which is it -- he remembers she was clothed or he doesn't know?

And then he says she asked him to turn around and that he understood her to be asking him to turn around because she was nursing, and he also said he understood that the reason someone would ask you to turn around while nursing is because their breasts are exposed and they don't want you to see their breasts.

Heath is trying to play dumb but he can't, not without just outright lying. He knew she was exposed and that the reason she asked him to turn around was so that he would not see her exposed.

Well, she told him to look away and he did, so not really fair to expect him to memorize her clothing. Entirely consistent to know she wasn’t completely nude, but to not remember the details of what she was wearing when told not to look at her. He does say she was breast feeding.

Three people testified that he was looking directly at her after agreeing to turn around.

She was undressed.
He was asked not to come in and then asked to leave.
He refused but agreed to turn away.
Then he looked directly at her anyway.

That is not ok. I don't even like Blake Lively as an actress or her public persona, but she deserves a workplace where her boss doesn't look at her naked without her consent, because everyone does.

We’ll have to consider all the sworn testimony , not just Blake and her personal employees. Further the testimony of Blake and her employees are not even consistent among themselves.

This is a good point. These women are on her payroll. Any reason why there is only testimony of those 3? I recall hearing that in the trailer was Blake, her nanny, her make up artist, and her assistant.

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Anonymous wrote:The thing that I’m confused about is this sounds a lot worse now in the depositions than it did earlier and I’m just not sure why Blake and team would not lead with that. If he actually burst in when she was saying, I don’t want you here I’m undressed and he refused to leave, to me that almost drifts into assault territory, not harassment. I don’t know the actual definitions, but that’s just really aggressive behavior.

And yet, if you go back to the original complaint and the New York Times article, that item was kind of buried in a list. Blake had said that she routinely pumps and breast-feed around these guys as we know from her inviting Justin, even after she was clearly uncomfortable with him to run lines while she pumped in her trailer. She had said it was fairly routine for her to do that at different areas around set and it wasn’t a big deal. So that there was nothing really off about having a meeting while she was nursing or pumping, but that in this instance, she felt more uncomfortable. But there was no description of aggression here.

I’m also confused about was she getting makeup removed or was she nursing or pumping? It’s really hard to nurse or breast-feed and have them remove body makeup from her chest. And if they’re removing body makeup from her chest, someone could be standing in front of her So I would kind of want that clarified as well.

With all that was happening if she goes home and tells Ryan, Heath burst into my trailer, even though 3 of us yelled don’t come in, and he refused to leave after I told him to leave.I just don’t understand him not going apeshit. I mean anybody would.

Right, because we all know it didn’t occur that way. All except Blake bot.

Leave it to Baldoni Bro to respond to facts, quotes, and citations with the magical belief that somehow, more than a dozen people are lying.

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Anonymous wrote:The "cop a look phrase" never came from Blake. This was something Wayfarer put in that timeline document early on -- it is their characterization of how Lively later described the incident when she discussed it with Heath and Baldoni. They claim she said she knew he wasn't trying to "cop a look." But Blake never testified to saying that. She has consistently said that she told him not to come in and then when he insisted, asked him to look at the wall, and then he looked at her anyway.

They specifically brought up that quote at oral argument so they have something more than recollection. They probably recorded the conversation where she said it. Jamie Heath recorded pretty much everything.

He testified he rarely recorded anything but a handful of phone calls he turned over in discovery.

Again, the WF lawyers are relying on some piece of evidence when making the representation to the Court. Blake has been found to be lying with respect to pretty much all of her allegations, so not surprising this is another one.

You can't even point to a court transcript saying they made that representation in court. What is your evidence this was even raised in court? Some tweet with a summary of oral arguments?

And no, there is zero evidence that they are relying on "some piece of evidence" (that for mysterious reasons has not been listed in any of the pleadings thus far nor unsealed) when they say stuff like this. That comment originally came from the timeline Wayfarer put together early in the case. It has not been corroborated and Blake certainly didn't testify to.

This is increasingly embarrassing for the Baldoni Bro.

Well, you posted the entire oral argument transcript posted on Twitter word for word in this thread and it’s very clearly there.

No, [expletive redacted for manners]. I posted direct quotes from Lively's deposition as recorded by an official court reporter and submitted on the docket, and linked directly to that deposition so you can check to see that I transcribed it correctly. I wasn't quoting a Twitter thread because I'm not a total idiot.

You cherry picked. I read Blake’s deposition and she told him he could come in b/c she did not want to have to postpone the other meeting. She also did say in front of witnesses at a subsequent meeting I know you weren’t trying to cop a look.

Blake only said he could stay (in order to avoid postponing the meeting) after Jamey enters without permission and refuses to leave when asked. This is very clear in her deposition.

Where are the depositions of witnesses saying that Blake said "I know you weren't trying to cop a look"? Where is the evidence this actually happened?

I feel I should also say that insisting on looking at a colleague who is undressed is still harassment even if you aren't doing it to "cop a look." It is a violation. If your boss walked in on you when you were in your underwear and you asked them to leave and they refused and just stood there looking at you, would it matter to you if they weren't like turned on by looking at you? They might be doing it to humiliate you or simply to show you that you don't have the power to decide when they look at you and under what circumstances, even just to assert that you should be clothed before speaking to them. And if your job literally required you to undress at work multiple times a day, as Blake's does, a boss who insists they have a right to look at you while undressed would feel very threatening, don't you think?

So even if he wasn't "trying to cop a look," it was still wrong for him to insist on holding that meeting while Blake was naked and could not get dressed. It's still a violation.

There is other evidence on the record that Blake wasn’t nude and Heath was in her trailer for only a few minutes (less than 5 per both Jamey and Blake’s account). He later apologized to her in the event that the encounter may her uncomfortable and she responded it’s ok, I know you didn’t cop a look”. Perhaps start reading the WF evidence and legal filings instead of just Blake’s.

Maybe you should read their evidence. Heath did not testify that she was clothed -- he claimed that he didn't know if she was clothed or not and thought she was asking him to turn around because she was nursing. However he did admit under questioning that obviously the reason a nursing mother would ask someone to turn around during nursing is because it necessitates being unclothed.

Here is Heath in his deposition speaking about the incident. This is p. 145-147, I have removed objections for clarity:

Q: I guess my question is, you understood, though, from your discussions with her that the issue about you entering her trailer was because she was nude from the waist up, right?
A: No.
Q: You did think she asked you to turn around because she was nude from the waist up?
A: I did not think that.
Q: Does she typically ask you to turn around when she's having conversations with you when she has her clothes on?
A: Fair.
Q: Okay.
A: I didn't see her, what she was wearing or not wearing. I saw that she was leaning back, and it looked like she was either feeding or maybe nursing -- or pumping. That's what it appeared she was doing. When she asked me to look away, I thought it was in that regard.
Q: I understand --
A: So I never saw it, so I didn't question that. So I moved over and looked away based on that.
Q: Okay. But even nursing or pumping involves activity with a woman's breasts, right?
A: Sure.
Q: And you understood that it was in that context that she was asking you not to look, right?
A: Fair. She asked me to look away, so whatever she was doing, she didn't want me to --
Q Right.
A Sure.
Q And what she was doing was something that had to do with her breasts being exposed or involved?
A Okay.

Here is the link to the deposition so that you can check my transcription: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304.1072.24.pdf

He quite clearly says “no” when asked if she was nude from the waist up. Surely you read these excerpts before you post them, right? Most women breastfeed without being nude.

But then he says "I didn't see her, what she was wearing or not wearing." So which is it -- he remembers she was clothed or he doesn't know?

And then he says she asked him to turn around and that he understood her to be asking him to turn around because she was nursing, and he also said he understood that the reason someone would ask you to turn around while nursing is because their breasts are exposed and they don't want you to see their breasts.

Heath is trying to play dumb but he can't, not without just outright lying. He knew she was exposed and that the reason she asked him to turn around was so that he would not see her exposed.

Well, she told him to look away and he did, so not really fair to expect him to memorize her clothing. Entirely consistent to know she wasn’t completely nude, but to not remember the details of what she was wearing when told not to look at her. He does say she was breast feeding.

Three people testified that he was looking directly at her after agreeing to turn around.

She was undressed.
He was asked not to come in and then asked to leave.
He refused but agreed to turn away.
Then he looked directly at her anyway.

That is not ok. I don't even like Blake Lively as an actress or her public persona, but she deserves a workplace where her boss doesn't look at her naked without her consent, because everyone does.

We’ll have to consider all the sworn testimony , not just Blake and her personal employees. Further the testimony of Blake and her employees are not even consistent among themselves.

This is a good point. These women are on her payroll. Any reason why there is only testimony of those 3? I recall hearing that in the trailer was Blake, her nanny, her make up artist, and her assistant.

Nope, employed by the movie. And no, everyone testified it was just Blake, the MUA and the hairdresser.

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Anonymous wrote:The "cop a look phrase" never came from Blake. This was something Wayfarer put in that timeline document early on -- it is their characterization of how Lively later described the incident when she discussed it with Heath and Baldoni. They claim she said she knew he wasn't trying to "cop a look." But Blake never testified to saying that. She has consistently said that she told him not to come in and then when he insisted, asked him to look at the wall, and then he looked at her anyway.

They specifically brought up that quote at oral argument so they have something more than recollection. They probably recorded the conversation where she said it. Jamie Heath recorded pretty much everything.

He testified he rarely recorded anything but a handful of phone calls he turned over in discovery.

Again, the WF lawyers are relying on some piece of evidence when making the representation to the Court. Blake has been found to be lying with respect to pretty much all of her allegations, so not surprising this is another one.

You can't even point to a court transcript saying they made that representation in court. What is your evidence this was even raised in court? Some tweet with a summary of oral arguments?

And no, there is zero evidence that they are relying on "some piece of evidence" (that for mysterious reasons has not been listed in any of the pleadings thus far nor unsealed) when they say stuff like this. That comment originally came from the timeline Wayfarer put together early in the case. It has not been corroborated and Blake certainly didn't testify to.

This is increasingly embarrassing for the Baldoni Bro.

Well, you posted the entire oral argument transcript posted on Twitter word for word in this thread and it’s very clearly there.

No, [expletive redacted for manners]. I posted direct quotes from Lively's deposition as recorded by an official court reporter and submitted on the docket, and linked directly to that deposition so you can check to see that I transcribed it correctly. I wasn't quoting a Twitter thread because I'm not a total idiot.

You cherry picked. I read Blake’s deposition and she told him he could come in b/c she did not want to have to postpone the other meeting. She also did say in front of witnesses at a subsequent meeting I know you weren’t trying to cop a look.

Blake only said he could stay (in order to avoid postponing the meeting) after Jamey enters without permission and refuses to leave when asked. This is very clear in her deposition.

Where are the depositions of witnesses saying that Blake said "I know you weren't trying to cop a look"? Where is the evidence this actually happened?

I feel I should also say that insisting on looking at a colleague who is undressed is still harassment even if you aren't doing it to "cop a look." It is a violation. If your boss walked in on you when you were in your underwear and you asked them to leave and they refused and just stood there looking at you, would it matter to you if they weren't like turned on by looking at you? They might be doing it to humiliate you or simply to show you that you don't have the power to decide when they look at you and under what circumstances, even just to assert that you should be clothed before speaking to them. And if your job literally required you to undress at work multiple times a day, as Blake's does, a boss who insists they have a right to look at you while undressed would feel very threatening, don't you think?

So even if he wasn't "trying to cop a look," it was still wrong for him to insist on holding that meeting while Blake was naked and could not get dressed. It's still a violation.

There is other evidence on the record that Blake wasn’t nude and Heath was in her trailer for only a few minutes (less than 5 per both Jamey and Blake’s account). He later apologized to her in the event that the encounter may her uncomfortable and she responded it’s ok, I know you didn’t cop a look”. Perhaps start reading the WF evidence and legal filings instead of just Blake’s.

Maybe you should read their evidence. Heath did not testify that she was clothed -- he claimed that he didn't know if she was clothed or not and thought she was asking him to turn around because she was nursing. However he did admit under questioning that obviously the reason a nursing mother would ask someone to turn around during nursing is because it necessitates being unclothed.

Here is Heath in his deposition speaking about the incident. This is p. 145-147, I have removed objections for clarity:

Q: I guess my question is, you understood, though, from your discussions with her that the issue about you entering her trailer was because she was nude from the waist up, right?
A: No.
Q: You did think she asked you to turn around because she was nude from the waist up?
A: I did not think that.
Q: Does she typically ask you to turn around when she's having conversations with you when she has her clothes on?
A: Fair.
Q: Okay.
A: I didn't see her, what she was wearing or not wearing. I saw that she was leaning back, and it looked like she was either feeding or maybe nursing -- or pumping. That's what it appeared she was doing. When she asked me to look away, I thought it was in that regard.
Q: I understand --
A: So I never saw it, so I didn't question that. So I moved over and looked away based on that.
Q: Okay. But even nursing or pumping involves activity with a woman's breasts, right?
A: Sure.
Q: And you understood that it was in that context that she was asking you not to look, right?
A: Fair. She asked me to look away, so whatever she was doing, she didn't want me to --
Q Right.
A Sure.
Q And what she was doing was something that had to do with her breasts being exposed or involved?
A Okay.

Here is the link to the deposition so that you can check my transcription: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304.1072.24.pdf

He quite clearly says “no” when asked if she was nude from the waist up. Surely you read these excerpts before you post them, right? Most women breastfeed without being nude.

But then he says "I didn't see her, what she was wearing or not wearing." So which is it -- he remembers she was clothed or he doesn't know?

And then he says she asked him to turn around and that he understood her to be asking him to turn around because she was nursing, and he also said he understood that the reason someone would ask you to turn around while nursing is because their breasts are exposed and they don't want you to see their breasts.

Heath is trying to play dumb but he can't, not without just outright lying. He knew she was exposed and that the reason she asked him to turn around was so that he would not see her exposed.

Well, she told him to look away and he did, so not really fair to expect him to memorize her clothing. Entirely consistent to know she wasn’t completely nude, but to not remember the details of what she was wearing when told not to look at her. He does say she was breast feeding.

Three people testified that he was looking directly at her after agreeing to turn around.

She was undressed.
He was asked not to come in and then asked to leave.
He refused but agreed to turn away.
Then he looked directly at her anyway.

That is not ok. I don't even like Blake Lively as an actress or her public persona, but she deserves a workplace where her boss doesn't look at her naked without her consent, because everyone does.

We’ll have to consider all the sworn testimony , not just Blake and her personal employees. Further the testimony of Blake and her employees are not even consistent among themselves.

Even Heath admits under oath that she asked him to turn around and that she must have done so because she was unclothed/exposed and didn't want him to see.

The MUA and hairstylist were employees of the movie, not Blake.

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This is incorrect. Her assistant and nanny were there, why would there be a hairstylist? It was end of day, shooting was over and she was with her baby getting make up removed not getting styled.

Also was this a public trailer where other actors were or Blake’s personal trailer?

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Vivian Baker is Blake’s personal make up artist.

You can go to her instagram- Blake is all over it and the movie IEWU won an award for makeup - they list all the artists and Vivian is listed as Blake lively’s personal MUA.

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Anonymous wrote:The "cop a look phrase" never came from Blake. This was something Wayfarer put in that timeline document early on -- it is their characterization of how Lively later described the incident when she discussed it with Heath and Baldoni. They claim she said she knew he wasn't trying to "cop a look." But Blake never testified to saying that. She has consistently said that she told him not to come in and then when he insisted, asked him to look at the wall, and then he looked at her anyway.

They specifically brought up that quote at oral argument so they have something more than recollection. They probably recorded the conversation where she said it. Jamie Heath recorded pretty much everything.

He testified he rarely recorded anything but a handful of phone calls he turned over in discovery.

Again, the WF lawyers are relying on some piece of evidence when making the representation to the Court. Blake has been found to be lying with respect to pretty much all of her allegations, so not surprising this is another one.

You can't even point to a court transcript saying they made that representation in court. What is your evidence this was even raised in court? Some tweet with a summary of oral arguments?

And no, there is zero evidence that they are relying on "some piece of evidence" (that for mysterious reasons has not been listed in any of the pleadings thus far nor unsealed) when they say stuff like this. That comment originally came from the timeline Wayfarer put together early in the case. It has not been corroborated and Blake certainly didn't testify to.

This is increasingly embarrassing for the Baldoni Bro.

Well, you posted the entire oral argument transcript posted on Twitter word for word in this thread and it’s very clearly there.

No, [expletive redacted for manners]. I posted direct quotes from Lively's deposition as recorded by an official court reporter and submitted on the docket, and linked directly to that deposition so you can check to see that I transcribed it correctly. I wasn't quoting a Twitter thread because I'm not a total idiot.

You cherry picked. I read Blake’s deposition and she told him he could come in b/c she did not want to have to postpone the other meeting. She also did say in front of witnesses at a subsequent meeting I know you weren’t trying to cop a look.

Blake only said he could stay (in order to avoid postponing the meeting) after Jamey enters without permission and refuses to leave when asked. This is very clear in her deposition.

Where are the depositions of witnesses saying that Blake said "I know you weren't trying to cop a look"? Where is the evidence this actually happened?

I feel I should also say that insisting on looking at a colleague who is undressed is still harassment even if you aren't doing it to "cop a look." It is a violation. If your boss walked in on you when you were in your underwear and you asked them to leave and they refused and just stood there looking at you, would it matter to you if they weren't like turned on by looking at you? They might be doing it to humiliate you or simply to show you that you don't have the power to decide when they look at you and under what circumstances, even just to assert that you should be clothed before speaking to them. And if your job literally required you to undress at work multiple times a day, as Blake's does, a boss who insists they have a right to look at you while undressed would feel very threatening, don't you think?

So even if he wasn't "trying to cop a look," it was still wrong for him to insist on holding that meeting while Blake was naked and could not get dressed. It's still a violation.

There is other evidence on the record that Blake wasn’t nude and Heath was in her trailer for only a few minutes (less than 5 per both Jamey and Blake’s account). He later apologized to her in the event that the encounter may her uncomfortable and she responded it’s ok, I know you didn’t cop a look”. Perhaps start reading the WF evidence and legal filings instead of just Blake’s.

Maybe you should read their evidence. Heath did not testify that she was clothed -- he claimed that he didn't know if she was clothed or not and thought she was asking him to turn around because she was nursing. However he did admit under questioning that obviously the reason a nursing mother would ask someone to turn around during nursing is because it necessitates being unclothed.

Here is Heath in his deposition speaking about the incident. This is p. 145-147, I have removed objections for clarity:

Q: I guess my question is, you understood, though, from your discussions with her that the issue about you entering her trailer was because she was nude from the waist up, right?
A: No.
Q: You did think she asked you to turn around because she was nude from the waist up?
A: I did not think that.
Q: Does she typically ask you to turn around when she's having conversations with you when she has her clothes on?
A: Fair.
Q: Okay.
A: I didn't see her, what she was wearing or not wearing. I saw that she was leaning back, and it looked like she was either feeding or maybe nursing -- or pumping. That's what it appeared she was doing. When she asked me to look away, I thought it was in that regard.
Q: I understand --
A: So I never saw it, so I didn't question that. So I moved over and looked away based on that.
Q: Okay. But even nursing or pumping involves activity with a woman's breasts, right?
A: Sure.
Q: And you understood that it was in that context that she was asking you not to look, right?
A: Fair. She asked me to look away, so whatever she was doing, she didn't want me to --
Q Right.
A Sure.
Q And what she was doing was something that had to do with her breasts being exposed or involved?
A Okay.

Here is the link to the deposition so that you can check my transcription: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304.1072.24.pdf

He quite clearly says “no” when asked if she was nude from the waist up. Surely you read these excerpts before you post them, right? Most women breastfeed without being nude.

But then he says "I didn't see her, what she was wearing or not wearing." So which is it -- he remembers she was clothed or he doesn't know?

And then he says she asked him to turn around and that he understood her to be asking him to turn around because she was nursing, and he also said he understood that the reason someone would ask you to turn around while nursing is because their breasts are exposed and they don't want you to see their breasts.

Heath is trying to play dumb but he can't, not without just outright lying. He knew she was exposed and that the reason she asked him to turn around was so that he would not see her exposed.

Well, she told him to look away and he did, so not really fair to expect him to memorize her clothing. Entirely consistent to know she wasn’t completely nude, but to not remember the details of what she was wearing when told not to look at her. He does say she was breast feeding.

Three people testified that he was looking directly at her after agreeing to turn around.

She was undressed.
He was asked not to come in and then asked to leave.
He refused but agreed to turn away.
Then he looked directly at her anyway.

That is not ok. I don't even like Blake Lively as an actress or her public persona, but she deserves a workplace where her boss doesn't look at her naked without her consent, because everyone does.

We’ll have to consider all the sworn testimony , not just Blake and her personal employees. Further the testimony of Blake and her employees are not even consistent among themselves.

This is a good point. These women are on her payroll. Any reason why there is only testimony of those 3? I recall hearing that in the trailer was Blake, her nanny, her make up artist, and her assistant.

Nope, employed by the movie. And no, everyone testified it was just Blake, the MUA and the hairdresser.

Employed by the movie doesn’t mean they weren’t Blake’s personal make up artists and hairdresser dressers. Just like part of move wardrobe doesn’t mean it wasn’t Blake’s Clothes.

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Anne Carroll is Blake and Ryan’s hairstylist. Her IMDB listing credits her as Blake’s personal stylist on every movie Blake has done in the last few years and every RR movie going back several years. These folks were hired by lively not wayfarer or Sony.