Lively/Baldoni Lawsuit Part 2

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Anonymous wrote:To the post above, it’s fair to say Justin and Jamey made a lot of mistakes. I would likely find them annoying and I don’t dispute they were clueless and should have changed course.

But I also don’t believe they deserve this lawsuit and the article based on the evidence I have seen and I am pretty convinced no matter what Blake and Ryan were going to seek to undermine them to gain the rights to the sequel. Justin had bought the rights from Colleen and yet Colleen texted her friend “when Blake and I do the sequel.” So I do think that was the plan.

I don’t like that she was calling him a dufus and a clown before ever setting foot on set or that she was scheming with Taylor so early on. I don’t like that she refused to sigh a contract and used that as leverage to constantly bail on the movie no less than 10 times.

I also think Sony made a lot of mistakes and look really bad. They had 2 female senior producers on set every day and yet there might be SH?

And then when the movie made them 350 million - the head of the Sony Pictures called Blake epic level stupid and callously said she’d never work again.

If it was found that there was SH, Sony was on set every day and watching every daily and yet they called Blake a terrorist and accused her of creating drama.

Real question: did you read the parts of Jamey Heath's depo where he talked about who was in charge on set, and how he thought HR issues should be handled during filming?

Why don’t you calm down and stop acting like I have a real stake in this - I really don’t care. I was simply pointing out that Sony is looking bad in all this. They certainly did not expect those texts and emails to come out, did they?

WF may have been in charge and the New York Times article made it seem like Sony was just a distributor and not really involved. We now know they were intimately involved. Having two senior producers onset every day. Being CCed on every piece of correspondence Blake’s lawyers were sending.

That’s the only point I was raising. Sony had a leak about 15 years ago that was humiliating for them. And here we are again reading the head of Sony pictures blunt emails about how he thinks Blake lively is stupid and she’ll never work again.

And how they disregarded any complaints of sexual harassment because they were obsessed with Blake‘s weight. I don’t know why she blamed Justin for that. It was the head of Sony pictures who said she looked bad and it was one of the senior producers saying don’t worry we will reshoot when she loses the baby weight.

Either Sony sucks and they’re really bad at their jobs to let it get this far and now have a huge headache of having their emails and texts out in public as well as having executives take up time to be deposed and things or they had no ideas this was coming, or probably both. No company wants that so they did open themselves up for that and I’m betting they might have some safeguards in place to avoid this kind of thing in the future, but who knows.

Conversely, they probably never thought it was going to get this far and they probably see this stuff every day on set and didn’t expect a times article and a lawsuit.

Either way they screwed themselves. I doubt, after seeing people magazine featuring head of Sony pictures calling Blake epic level stupid and having Ryan Reynolds called two of their executives “in effectual elderly people who have no idea what’s going on”….they are taking much comfort that you think it was Wayfares job or problem and not theirs - because it has became their problem.

They’re a huge company and they were caught flat footed. I’m betting heads are rolling and they’re not saying well great job everybody this was WF fault.

Whoa, what part of my single line post was not calm? I was just wondering if you had read those parts of Heath's depo. Did you?

Yes. I understand that it was Wayfares role to handle HR concerns. That woefully misses the point of what happened.

When there is a crisis like this in corporate America, it does Sony little good to say well that was WF’s job. Were Sony executives deposed and may some of them have to come testify in court if this goes to trial? Yes. Did a lot of Sony’s texts and emails that they would not want the public to see get blasted out in People magazine and other media outlets? Yes. Were Sony executives humiliated by being insulted by Ryan Reynolds for all the world to see? Yes.

You can say it was Wayfares responsibility to contain the situation and that their HR people failed at their job, but the damage to Sony is still done.

Typically when a crisis like this happens in a company, it’s not good enough for people to say well, that was someone else’s job. Sony has had to spend money and resources cleaning up this mess, it’s been a huge distraction for their executives, and they’ve suffered reputational damage. It’s little comfort that it was wayfarers fault. And in the future, you can bet they’re putting safeguards in place so that they’re not letting some independent studio or any other business partner trash their reputation, cost them money, and create such a headache.

Okay.

So the reason I asked if you'd read Heath's deposition is because I was really surprised and frustrated by Heath's responses to questions about how HR worked on the film and how he thought HR issues should be addressed. When asked who he thought cast and crew should go to with HR concerns, he said he felt Alex Sachs, or maybe the first AD, would be appropriate, but he honestly didn't know. When told that Alex Sachs had testified that Heath is who she would have gone to with HR issues, he was surprised to hear that. He also stated that he believed there was a hotline people could contact with HR concerns, but when asked if Wayfarer or the film LLC had paid for and set up a hotline, he said he was not aware of one.

From an employment law perspective, this is negligence at a minimum. It also undercuts the argument that Blake failed to report issues as they arose -- she absolutely made Sachs and Heath (and Baldoni and Ange Giannetti) aware of her concerns. But none of them felt they were in charge. Again, this is negligence. And IME, when employers are *this* negligent about basic HR, it makes it much easier for other employment law issues, including harassment, to arise. Because there are no adults in the room who will step in and address problems, so they metastasize. And I think that's what happened here.

When companies are this negligent in operations, they get sued. Well...

Blake is not suing because of neglected HR issues. She watched herself get canceled and become “bizarrely unhirable” as confirmed by Hollywood insiders and she needed someone to blame. This case is more about retaliation.

Unfortunately, for her, it’s going be hard to stick the genie back into the bottle. Even if she wins everything in court, which seems like a long shot given some of the technical issues she faces as well as that damn smear campaign is “untraceable”, it’s hard to imagine studios wanting to hire her, or Blake Brown Beauty recovering.

She is literally suing over HR issues. Like as in it is the basis of her complaint.

Baldoni & Co. ran a disorganized, casual set, and engaged in a bunch of inappropriate behavior that made women on set (multiple women) uncomfortable. They had no HR on set and even after multiple actresses came to them AND Alex Sachs AND Sony with complaints, they did not initiate HR proceedings to address the issues and ensure they were not repeated. So yes, Blake did wind up forcing HR compliance on the production, paying her own lawyers to draft safe set requirements and getting Wayfarer to agree to them. All parties agree that after Blake did this, the set ran smoothly and there were no more issues. Were it up to Wayfarer, they would have just kept winging it and ignoring problems.

And then when Justin and Jamey realized they had pissed off half a dozen of the most important people involved in the film (most of the main cast, Alex Sachs, Colleen Hoover), they panicked and hired Epstein/Depp/"bad man"-defender Melissa Nathan to do crisis management for them, over the strong advice of Stephanie Jones. Nathan did what she does best -- enlist Jed Wallace and Bryan Freedman to help destroy someone's reputation online. Unfortunately for them, they were in cahoots with Jen Abel, who chose to conduct part of this conspiracy using a work phone that belonged to Stephanie Jones. Oops.

Did Blake make things harder for herself with some of her marketing choices? You bet! Does she have some problematic past interviews that are cringeworthy to watch now? Yes. Is it normal for a director and producers to hire someone to help highlight their LEAD ACTRESS's worst qualities and past behavior online as the movie they just spent millions to make and staked their reputations on is coming out? No, it's insane. It also, unfortunately may have broken the law.

The idea that this whole thing is about Blake Brown Beauty is some fantasy a bunch of red pilled weirdos on Reddit came up with. This is actually about Justin Baldoni, Jamey Heath, and their behavior. You can try to distract from that all you want, but the actual court case will remain focused on that.

The bolded part was always impressive to me as far back as the NYT. So many times women come out years later and everyone is like "why didn't she say something" and here we have her actually using the pause in production to get something put in place that actually worked (which is maybe, the one thing the parties agree on?), and she didn't breathe a word about it or make any waves in public at the time. And we have her texts and conversations from during filming, and the accounts of others, like the real time texts from the IC getting creeped out, that demonstrates these were all genuine good faith beliefs, not something manufactured later. It's not something she made up to steal a movie (she stole that movie fair and square, hah). It may not end up being actionable sexual harassment, but this was a genuine problem, this stuff happened, she didn't make this up. But then she unfollowed him and he decided to destroy her (and then claims he didn't have to because it organically happened, and again we'll see if that pans out in court). Baldoni threw just as big of a tantrum.

I'm not saying she's perfect, just that she deserves her day in court.

What really burned Justin was that Ryan u followed him, and then blocked him. He texted Abel about both events individually, which means this guy was checking his own Instagram follows closely enough to know Ryan, with whom he did not even have a professional relationship, had unfollowed him AND THEN he kept checking Ryan's IG until he discovered he was blocked.

Which was interesting to read because Justin claims he only cared about the unfollowing because of the PR implications. But no one could tell Ryan had blocked him except Justin. And he melted down over it. This is so, so pathetic to me.

I’m not sure that it is pathetic. It sounded like he noticed Ryan unfollowed him around the same time the cast was. Do you remember when Travis unfollowed Ryan? It was news for days and basically put away any doubt that Blake and Taylor were still friends.

They were getting ready to literally promote and market a movie. Publicity was top of mind. I don’t think it was weird that he was keeping tabs on Ryan at all. Blake and Ryan were playing a game and he was trying to keep up.

Sure enough, just like with Taylor and Travis, fans saw these breadcrumbs. Did you not see Sony freaking out over the unfollowing? I don’t think they cared out the goodness of their own hearts that all these people were good friends, they were worried about the movie just like Justin was.

He specifically melted down over Ryan blocking him though, not just being unfollowed. Blocking someone on IG is private and no one knows except the person who was blocked (because they will no longer be able to see that person's posts or profile). He was freaking out about this in like June of 2024. This is super weird to me because at that point, surely he knew there was no love lost between Blake/Ryan and Justin. Being blocked after being unfollowed sounds normal to me in that situation.

I also think Justin overreacted to being unfollowed. Yes fans will track and pick up on that, but it's happened many times before and it doesn't blow up or get people canceled. It's just low level celeb drama that hits gossip sites and then fades. Like all the drama over Don't Worry Darling or the weird backbiting that goes on between Selena Gomez and Hailey Bieber. Some fans take it too seriously but most people pay attention for a hot minute and then move on. The more famous you are, the more likely you are to stir up gossip online, that's just how it is. And Justin was starring in and was the director of what turned out to be a hit movie co-starring Blake Lively.

His PR people should have been explaining to him how to thread the needle on the rumors over the unfollowing and how to keep his nose clean, instead they were participating in his little pity party and hiring Jed Wallace and plotting how to take down the lead actress in the feature film he'd produced, directed, and starred in. Can we talk for a second about how ridiculous it is to try and tank Blake when your move rests on her rep? It's dumb. Again I look at what a mess the Don't Worry Darling promo was and how Florence Pugh went out of her way to make it clear she HATED her director, Olivia Wilde, plus also just refused to show up for certain press because she didn't want to sit next to Wild, and trolled Wilde on her Instagram. But everyone just kind of smiled through it and everyone involved with that [bad!] movie is still working and not canceled. Does anyone remember spit-gate?! All this crap is recoverable, people forget and move on. Justin blew it all way out of proportion, and Abel and Nathan participated in his little pity party instead of giving him dispassionate advice that would have actually helped him get through it with his rep intact.

The same could be said for Blake and Ryan and they had a lot more to lose.

I will never understand how they let it get this far. Or why they both seemed so obsessed with this.

Justin’s contract had come to be public. For his role as producer and developer of the film, he got a nice cut of the gross box office plus a cut of the streaming which was said to be $125 million.

Steve is paying his legal bills. At the end of this, he can literally just take the $30-50 million from this movie and retire in Nashville. I believe he and his wife just bought a place there if that’s how it goes. And that’s if he doesn’t choose to stay and work behind the scenes. He clearly has a knack for developing and financing movies and Steve may keep him on for that. It could be worse.

It doesn’t seem like Ryan and Blake will be content until their reputation is recovered and I don’t see that happening as two years out after this movie and they are still getting bad headline. Not to mention the challenge of aging in Hollywood.

This seems to have taken on a life of its own and it seems like they and their team predicted that after the CRD filing and the New York Times article this could be over but that’s not how it happened.

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Anonymous wrote:To the post above, it’s fair to say Justin and Jamey made a lot of mistakes. I would likely find them annoying and I don’t dispute they were clueless and should have changed course.

But I also don’t believe they deserve this lawsuit and the article based on the evidence I have seen and I am pretty convinced no matter what Blake and Ryan were going to seek to undermine them to gain the rights to the sequel. Justin had bought the rights from Colleen and yet Colleen texted her friend “when Blake and I do the sequel.” So I do think that was the plan.

I don’t like that she was calling him a dufus and a clown before ever setting foot on set or that she was scheming with Taylor so early on. I don’t like that she refused to sigh a contract and used that as leverage to constantly bail on the movie no less than 10 times.

I also think Sony made a lot of mistakes and look really bad. They had 2 female senior producers on set every day and yet there might be SH?

And then when the movie made them 350 million - the head of the Sony Pictures called Blake epic level stupid and callously said she’d never work again.

If it was found that there was SH, Sony was on set every day and watching every daily and yet they called Blake a terrorist and accused her of creating drama.

Real question: did you read the parts of Jamey Heath's depo where he talked about who was in charge on set, and how he thought HR issues should be handled during filming?

Why don’t you calm down and stop acting like I have a real stake in this - I really don’t care. I was simply pointing out that Sony is looking bad in all this. They certainly did not expect those texts and emails to come out, did they?

WF may have been in charge and the New York Times article made it seem like Sony was just a distributor and not really involved. We now know they were intimately involved. Having two senior producers onset every day. Being CCed on every piece of correspondence Blake’s lawyers were sending.

That’s the only point I was raising. Sony had a leak about 15 years ago that was humiliating for them. And here we are again reading the head of Sony pictures blunt emails about how he thinks Blake lively is stupid and she’ll never work again.

And how they disregarded any complaints of sexual harassment because they were obsessed with Blake‘s weight. I don’t know why she blamed Justin for that. It was the head of Sony pictures who said she looked bad and it was one of the senior producers saying don’t worry we will reshoot when she loses the baby weight.

Either Sony sucks and they’re really bad at their jobs to let it get this far and now have a huge headache of having their emails and texts out in public as well as having executives take up time to be deposed and things or they had no ideas this was coming, or probably both. No company wants that so they did open themselves up for that and I’m betting they might have some safeguards in place to avoid this kind of thing in the future, but who knows.

Conversely, they probably never thought it was going to get this far and they probably see this stuff every day on set and didn’t expect a times article and a lawsuit.

Either way they screwed themselves. I doubt, after seeing people magazine featuring head of Sony pictures calling Blake epic level stupid and having Ryan Reynolds called two of their executives “in effectual elderly people who have no idea what’s going on”….they are taking much comfort that you think it was Wayfares job or problem and not theirs - because it has became their problem.

They’re a huge company and they were caught flat footed. I’m betting heads are rolling and they’re not saying well great job everybody this was WF fault.

Whoa, what part of my single line post was not calm? I was just wondering if you had read those parts of Heath's depo. Did you?

Yes. I understand that it was Wayfares role to handle HR concerns. That woefully misses the point of what happened.

When there is a crisis like this in corporate America, it does Sony little good to say well that was WF’s job. Were Sony executives deposed and may some of them have to come testify in court if this goes to trial? Yes. Did a lot of Sony’s texts and emails that they would not want the public to see get blasted out in People magazine and other media outlets? Yes. Were Sony executives humiliated by being insulted by Ryan Reynolds for all the world to see? Yes.

You can say it was Wayfares responsibility to contain the situation and that their HR people failed at their job, but the damage to Sony is still done.

Typically when a crisis like this happens in a company, it’s not good enough for people to say well, that was someone else’s job. Sony has had to spend money and resources cleaning up this mess, it’s been a huge distraction for their executives, and they’ve suffered reputational damage. It’s little comfort that it was wayfarers fault. And in the future, you can bet they’re putting safeguards in place so that they’re not letting some independent studio or any other business partner trash their reputation, cost them money, and create such a headache.

Okay.

So the reason I asked if you'd read Heath's deposition is because I was really surprised and frustrated by Heath's responses to questions about how HR worked on the film and how he thought HR issues should be addressed. When asked who he thought cast and crew should go to with HR concerns, he said he felt Alex Sachs, or maybe the first AD, would be appropriate, but he honestly didn't know. When told that Alex Sachs had testified that Heath is who she would have gone to with HR issues, he was surprised to hear that. He also stated that he believed there was a hotline people could contact with HR concerns, but when asked if Wayfarer or the film LLC had paid for and set up a hotline, he said he was not aware of one.

From an employment law perspective, this is negligence at a minimum. It also undercuts the argument that Blake failed to report issues as they arose -- she absolutely made Sachs and Heath (and Baldoni and Ange Giannetti) aware of her concerns. But none of them felt they were in charge. Again, this is negligence. And IME, when employers are *this* negligent about basic HR, it makes it much easier for other employment law issues, including harassment, to arise. Because there are no adults in the room who will step in and address problems, so they metastasize. And I think that's what happened here.

When companies are this negligent in operations, they get sued. Well...

Blake is not suing because of neglected HR issues. She watched herself get canceled and become “bizarrely unhirable” as confirmed by Hollywood insiders and she needed someone to blame. This case is more about retaliation.

Unfortunately, for her, it’s going be hard to stick the genie back into the bottle. Even if she wins everything in court, which seems like a long shot given some of the technical issues she faces as well as that damn smear campaign is “untraceable”, it’s hard to imagine studios wanting to hire her, or Blake Brown Beauty recovering.

She is literally suing over HR issues. Like as in it is the basis of her complaint.

Baldoni & Co. ran a disorganized, casual set, and engaged in a bunch of inappropriate behavior that made women on set (multiple women) uncomfortable. They had no HR on set and even after multiple actresses came to them AND Alex Sachs AND Sony with complaints, they did not initiate HR proceedings to address the issues and ensure they were not repeated. So yes, Blake did wind up forcing HR compliance on the production, paying her own lawyers to draft safe set requirements and getting Wayfarer to agree to them. All parties agree that after Blake did this, the set ran smoothly and there were no more issues. Were it up to Wayfarer, they would have just kept winging it and ignoring problems.

And then when Justin and Jamey realized they had pissed off half a dozen of the most important people involved in the film (most of the main cast, Alex Sachs, Colleen Hoover), they panicked and hired Epstein/Depp/"bad man"-defender Melissa Nathan to do crisis management for them, over the strong advice of Stephanie Jones. Nathan did what she does best -- enlist Jed Wallace and Bryan Freedman to help destroy someone's reputation online. Unfortunately for them, they were in cahoots with Jen Abel, who chose to conduct part of this conspiracy using a work phone that belonged to Stephanie Jones. Oops.

Did Blake make things harder for herself with some of her marketing choices? You bet! Does she have some problematic past interviews that are cringeworthy to watch now? Yes. Is it normal for a director and producers to hire someone to help highlight their LEAD ACTRESS's worst qualities and past behavior online as the movie they just spent millions to make and staked their reputations on is coming out? No, it's insane. It also, unfortunately may have broken the law.

The idea that this whole thing is about Blake Brown Beauty is some fantasy a bunch of red pilled weirdos on Reddit came up with. This is actually about Justin Baldoni, Jamey Heath, and their behavior. You can try to distract from that all you want, but the actual court case will remain focused on that.

The bolded part was always impressive to me as far back as the NYT. So many times women come out years later and everyone is like "why didn't she say something" and here we have her actually using the pause in production to get something put in place that actually worked (which is maybe, the one thing the parties agree on?), and she didn't breathe a word about it or make any waves in public at the time. And we have her texts and conversations from during filming, and the accounts of others, like the real time texts from the IC getting creeped out, that demonstrates these were all genuine good faith beliefs, not something manufactured later. It's not something she made up to steal a movie (she stole that movie fair and square, hah). It may not end up being actionable sexual harassment, but this was a genuine problem, this stuff happened, she didn't make this up. But then she unfollowed him and he decided to destroy her (and then claims he didn't have to because it organically happened, and again we'll see if that pans out in court). Baldoni threw just as big of a tantrum.

I'm not saying she's perfect, just that she deserves her day in court.

What really burned Justin was that Ryan u followed him, and then blocked him. He texted Abel about both events individually, which means this guy was checking his own Instagram follows closely enough to know Ryan, with whom he did not even have a professional relationship, had unfollowed him AND THEN he kept checking Ryan's IG until he discovered he was blocked.

Which was interesting to read because Justin claims he only cared about the unfollowing because of the PR implications. But no one could tell Ryan had blocked him except Justin. And he melted down over it. This is so, so pathetic to me.

I’m not sure that it is pathetic. It sounded like he noticed Ryan unfollowed him around the same time the cast was. Do you remember when Travis unfollowed Ryan? It was news for days and basically put away any doubt that Blake and Taylor were still friends.

They were getting ready to literally promote and market a movie. Publicity was top of mind. I don’t think it was weird that he was keeping tabs on Ryan at all. Blake and Ryan were playing a game and he was trying to keep up.

Sure enough, just like with Taylor and Travis, fans saw these breadcrumbs. Did you not see Sony freaking out over the unfollowing? I don’t think they cared out the goodness of their own hearts that all these people were good friends, they were worried about the movie just like Justin was.

He specifically melted down over Ryan blocking him though, not just being unfollowed. Blocking someone on IG is private and no one knows except the person who was blocked (because they will no longer be able to see that person's posts or profile). He was freaking out about this in like June of 2024. This is super weird to me because at that point, surely he knew there was no love lost between Blake/Ryan and Justin. Being blocked after being unfollowed sounds normal to me in that situation.

I also think Justin overreacted to being unfollowed. Yes fans will track and pick up on that, but it's happened many times before and it doesn't blow up or get people canceled. It's just low level celeb drama that hits gossip sites and then fades. Like all the drama over Don't Worry Darling or the weird backbiting that goes on between Selena Gomez and Hailey Bieber. Some fans take it too seriously but most people pay attention for a hot minute and then move on. The more famous you are, the more likely you are to stir up gossip online, that's just how it is. And Justin was starring in and was the director of what turned out to be a hit movie co-starring Blake Lively.

His PR people should have been explaining to him how to thread the needle on the rumors over the unfollowing and how to keep his nose clean, instead they were participating in his little pity party and hiring Jed Wallace and plotting how to take down the lead actress in the feature film he'd produced, directed, and starred in. Can we talk for a second about how ridiculous it is to try and tank Blake when your move rests on her rep? It's dumb. Again I look at what a mess the Don't Worry Darling promo was and how Florence Pugh went out of her way to make it clear she HATED her director, Olivia Wilde, plus also just refused to show up for certain press because she didn't want to sit next to Wild, and trolled Wilde on her Instagram. But everyone just kind of smiled through it and everyone involved with that [bad!] movie is still working and not canceled. Does anyone remember spit-gate?! All this crap is recoverable, people forget and move on. Justin blew it all way out of proportion, and Abel and Nathan participated in his little pity party instead of giving him dispassionate advice that would have actually helped him get through it with his rep intact.

The same could be said for Blake and Ryan and they had a lot more to lose.

I will never understand how they let it get this far. Or why they both seemed so obsessed with this.

Justin’s contract had come to be public. For his role as producer and developer of the film, he got a nice cut of the gross box office plus a cut of the streaming which was said to be $125 million.

Steve is paying his legal bills. At the end of this, he can literally just take the $30-50 million from this movie and retire in Nashville. I believe he and his wife just bought a place there if that’s how it goes. And that’s if he doesn’t choose to stay and work behind the scenes. He clearly has a knack for developing and financing movies and Steve may keep him on for that. It could be worse.

It doesn’t seem like Ryan and Blake will be content until their reputation is recovered and I don’t see that happening as two years out after this movie and they are still getting bad headline. Not to mention the challenge of aging in Hollywood.

This seems to have taken on a life of its own and it seems like they and their team predicted that after the CRD filing and the New York Times article this could be over but that’s not how it happened.

I mean all of these people are rich -- they can all just retire to nice homes when this is over. They all want to recover their careers, trust me. Right now, I think Ryan for sure will, Justin for sure won't, and Blake I truly don't know. It may depend a little on the outcome of the case but I also think it depends on what her goal is. If it's "movie star", probably not. This case, plus her age, plus the fact (let's face it) that she's not some powerhouse, in-demand actress to begin with, makes it highly unlikely. But that was probably unlikely anyway, even with the success of IEWU. I think she missed out on probably a 5 year bumper season after this movie -- making the sequel, maybe making a couple more lighter movies like A Simple Favor, before trying to segue into directing/producing. But this conflict has killed that.

You never know though. I think people underestimate the ability for someone with a lot of face and name recognition to come back. Look at the renaissance Pam Anderson is having, totally reinventing her prior image. Hollywood comebacks are a funny thing. When someone is very, very famous and recognizable, even if they are totally humiliated publicly, you give it a few years and you will find an audience with nostalgia for that person. It's fascinating. And actually people can develop especially strong affection for someone who is perceived to have gone through a real trial -- it humanizes them. I think of Martha Stewart, Robert Downey Jr... we love to watch wealthy, successful people fall down, but then we often cheer for them to get back up and love them more than ever after. Blake could definitely come back from this, and could wind up more loved than ever. I've seen it happen too many times before.

Ryan won't take much of a hit because the accusations against him are not that far from what people already thought about him. He's always been kind of intense with a caustic sense of humor. Is anyone actually shocked by any of the texts or emails from him? He's said similar stuff in interviews. It's baked in. Plus his line is "I was protecting my wife" which is (1) likely true, and (2) will play. I just don't see people holding this against him. His career has been too long and successful for something like this to take him out. Blake is more vulnerable because she's not really well established in the same way -- no real history of very successful movies, her biggest success has been on social media plus a TV show that is so old it's already been rebooted once. But Ryan? 20-30 year career full of blockbuster hits, including a tentpole film franchise, and a diversified portfolio of businesses and an active production company? He will be fine.

Justin is toast. Unlike Ryan, what has come out about Justin has revealed a great distance between the image he actively sold to audiences pre-scandal. His whole male feminist schtick is toast, along with his book sales and podcast. That TED talk he did just makes him look dumb and insincere now. He wasn't as famous as Blake before this all happened, so he's not really primed for a "come back" here -- he's more of a never was. But actually the biggest reason I don't think Justin has a career in front of him (and ultimately the biggest difference between him and Ryan, and to a lesser extent Blake): he's not a hustler. I just don't think he works hard. He also has an avoidant personality (you see it all over the timeline of what happened with this movie -- when things get hard, he retreats, develops some kind of physical malady, or goes on vacation). I think the only way to recover from something like this and have a big career is to be willing to really work at it, and I don't think he is built for that. Whereas whatever you think about Ryan and Blake, they hustle. Hollywood tends to reward that.

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I don’t see how anyone thinks Ryan’s career hasn’t taken a huge hit. Deadpool four is dead, Paramount canceled three of his planned projects, and they’re not re-upping his first look development contract when it expires at the end of 2026.

I’m sure not all of this is due to the lawsuit. The fact is he’s old and super hero movies are going out of favor and his brand of humor and things are just starting to seem dated at this point. Plus the Paramount merger is really shaking up the industry and there’s a lot of pairing back until things settle.

But it can’t be argued he’s just not the hot commodity he was a couple years ago and I don’t see him bouncing back from that, lawsuit or not.

Blake’s movie careers over that’s pretty much not debatable at this point. The head of Sony pictures gets paid tens of millions of dollars to be an expert on this and I’m going to take his word that she’ll never work again. And now that the financials of the company she has licensing agreements with have come to light it really seems there’s no there there. Betty buzz has never made a profit, Betty booze is doing OK, and the hair products biz is all but done and dusted.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t see how anyone thinks Ryan’s career hasn’t taken a huge hit. Deadpool four is dead, Paramount canceled three of his planned projects, and they’re not re-upping his first look development contract when it expires at the end of 2026.

I’m sure not all of this is due to the lawsuit. The fact is he’s old and super hero movies are going out of favor and his brand of humor and things are just starting to seem dated at this point. Plus the Paramount merger is really shaking up the industry and there’s a lot of pairing back until things settle.

But it can’t be argued he’s just not the hot commodity he was a couple years ago and I don’t see him bouncing back from that, lawsuit or not.

Blake’s movie careers over that’s pretty much not debatable at this point. The head of Sony pictures gets paid tens of millions of dollars to be an expert on this and I’m going to take his word that she’ll never work again. And now that the financials of the company she has licensing agreements with have come to light it really seems there’s no there there. Betty buzz has never made a profit, Betty booze is doing OK, and the hair products biz is all but done and dusted.

You are taking that Sanford Panitch quote out of context. Here's what he said:

"It’s quite ironic because she has a huge hit movie headed to $300M-plus. And probably will never work again, or not for a while. Although even Hathaway recovered. Tom thinks she’s probably and bizarrely unhirable right now.”

Then another exec replies "This will pass. She is going to be FINE." And Panitch writes:

"No. Disagree. She is done for, at least for awhile. It's cooked. She said she is retiring to Josh or something. It will take a few years. Eva Mendez time."

What I'm reading here is that he's using hyperbolic language but then constantly walking it back. She'll never work again, but then people said that about Ann Hathaway too, right? Who is working. She's done. But just for a while. She's cooked. But it will take a few years. And so on. Also the hilarious thing is that they are talking about all of this in the context of discussing how bonkers the box office from IEWU is, Panitch later segues effortlessly from complaining that Blake wouldn't listen to Sony regarding the premiere to noting that the international box office is "astounding." He can't even decide what he thinks. Also the comparisons to Hathaway and Mendez are bizarre. Anne Hathaway is currently very hot (actually starring in a different Hoover adaptation coming out later this year I believe). Eva Mendez no longer works at all but also didn't go out due to some big scandal? She had kids and kind of stopped working and later said she doesn't even think she likes acting. If those are the examples they are using for how "done" Blake is, it actually does not indicate that this is an unrecoverable scandal, sorry.

Also one thing I've learned about Hollywood people in this is that a lot of them mean like 2% of what they say and also a huge part of their job is just telling whoever they are talking to what they want to hear. Ange Giannetti called Blake a terrorist when talking to Wayfarer and then when the movie had a big opening, sent Blake a slavering text telling her it was Blake's victory and she earned it and how amazing she was. These people are soulless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t see how anyone thinks Ryan’s career hasn’t taken a huge hit. Deadpool four is dead, Paramount canceled three of his planned projects, and they’re not re-upping his first look development contract when it expires at the end of 2026.

I’m sure not all of this is due to the lawsuit. The fact is he’s old and super hero movies are going out of favor and his brand of humor and things are just starting to seem dated at this point. Plus the Paramount merger is really shaking up the industry and there’s a lot of pairing back until things settle.

But it can’t be argued he’s just not the hot commodity he was a couple years ago and I don’t see him bouncing back from that, lawsuit or not.

Blake’s movie careers over that’s pretty much not debatable at this point. The head of Sony pictures gets paid tens of millions of dollars to be an expert on this and I’m going to take his word that she’ll never work again. And now that the financials of the company she has licensing agreements with have come to light it really seems there’s no there there. Betty buzz has never made a profit, Betty booze is doing OK, and the hair products biz is all but done and dusted.

You are taking that Sanford Panitch quote out of context. Here's what he said:

"It’s quite ironic because she has a huge hit movie headed to $300M-plus. And probably will never work again, or not for a while. Although even Hathaway recovered. Tom thinks she’s probably and bizarrely unhirable right now.”

Then another exec replies "This will pass. She is going to be FINE." And Panitch writes:

"No. Disagree. She is done for, at least for awhile. It's cooked. She said she is retiring to Josh or something. It will take a few years. Eva Mendez time."

What I'm reading here is that he's using hyperbolic language but then constantly walking it back. She'll never work again, but then people said that about Ann Hathaway too, right? Who is working. She's done. But just for a while. She's cooked. But it will take a few years. And so on. Also the hilarious thing is that they are talking about all of this in the context of discussing how bonkers the box office from IEWU is, Panitch later segues effortlessly from complaining that Blake wouldn't listen to Sony regarding the premiere to noting that the international box office is "astounding." He can't even decide what he thinks. Also the comparisons to Hathaway and Mendez are bizarre. Anne Hathaway is currently very hot (actually starring in a different Hoover adaptation coming out later this year I believe). Eva Mendez no longer works at all but also didn't go out due to some big scandal? She had kids and kind of stopped working and later said she doesn't even think she likes acting. If those are the examples they are using for how "done" Blake is, it actually does not indicate that this is an unrecoverable scandal, sorry.

Also one thing I've learned about Hollywood people in this is that a lot of them mean like 2% of what they say and also a huge part of their job is just telling whoever they are talking to what they want to hear. Ange Giannetti called Blake a terrorist when talking to Wayfarer and then when the movie had a big opening, sent Blake a slavering text telling her it was Blake's victory and she earned it and how amazing she was. These people are soulless.

I mean, it sounds to me like she’s not a studio favorite right now. Her IMDB is looking pretty bleak. We’ve been through this before, but the 2 on their have not been updated in 6 plus years are the new one that cheese producing was probably just a prescribe and doesn’t seem to have any cast or crew attached.

Studios are just going to see that she is litigious and a huge pain in the butt. Rumors about her being a pain have been there for years, but now the details are out there and it’s pretty grim. Ryan is not the help he used to be as people aren’t really tripping over themselves anymore to work with him.

Time will tell I guess. We will likely know more after the trial and those headlines fade later this summer.

[Anonymous]

Let's use common sense and stop rationalizing things in Blake's favor. What would you do if you were a producer/director/writer? Would you want to work with Blake?

The answer is no.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t see how anyone thinks Ryan’s career hasn’t taken a huge hit. Deadpool four is dead, Paramount canceled three of his planned projects, and they’re not re-upping his first look development contract when it expires at the end of 2026.

I’m sure not all of this is due to the lawsuit. The fact is he’s old and super hero movies are going out of favor and his brand of humor and things are just starting to seem dated at this point. Plus the Paramount merger is really shaking up the industry and there’s a lot of pairing back until things settle.

But it can’t be argued he’s just not the hot commodity he was a couple years ago and I don’t see him bouncing back from that, lawsuit or not.

Blake’s movie careers over that’s pretty much not debatable at this point. The head of Sony pictures gets paid tens of millions of dollars to be an expert on this and I’m going to take his word that she’ll never work again. And now that the financials of the company she has licensing agreements with have come to light it really seems there’s no there there. Betty buzz has never made a profit, Betty booze is doing OK, and the hair products biz is all but done and dusted.

You are taking that Sanford Panitch quote out of context. Here's what he said:

"It’s quite ironic because she has a huge hit movie headed to $300M-plus. And probably will never work again, or not for a while. Although even Hathaway recovered. Tom thinks she’s probably and bizarrely unhirable right now.”

Then another exec replies "This will pass. She is going to be FINE." And Panitch writes:

"No. Disagree. She is done for, at least for awhile. It's cooked. She said she is retiring to Josh or something. It will take a few years. Eva Mendez time."

What I'm reading here is that he's using hyperbolic language but then constantly walking it back. She'll never work again, but then people said that about Ann Hathaway too, right? Who is working. She's done. But just for a while. She's cooked. But it will take a few years. And so on. Also the hilarious thing is that they are talking about all of this in the context of discussing how bonkers the box office from IEWU is, Panitch later segues effortlessly from complaining that Blake wouldn't listen to Sony regarding the premiere to noting that the international box office is "astounding." He can't even decide what he thinks. Also the comparisons to Hathaway and Mendez are bizarre. Anne Hathaway is currently very hot (actually starring in a different Hoover adaptation coming out later this year I believe). Eva Mendez no longer works at all but also didn't go out due to some big scandal? She had kids and kind of stopped working and later said she doesn't even think she likes acting. If those are the examples they are using for how "done" Blake is, it actually does not indicate that this is an unrecoverable scandal, sorry.

Also one thing I've learned about Hollywood people in this is that a lot of them mean like 2% of what they say and also a huge part of their job is just telling whoever they are talking to what they want to hear. Ange Giannetti called Blake a terrorist when talking to Wayfarer and then when the movie had a big opening, sent Blake a slavering text telling her it was Blake's victory and she earned it and how amazing she was. These people are soulless.

I mean, it sounds to me like she’s not a studio favorite right now. Her IMDB is looking pretty bleak. We’ve been through this before, but the 2 on their have not been updated in 6 plus years are the new one that cheese producing was probably just a prescribe and doesn’t seem to have any cast or crew attached.

Studios are just going to see that she is litigious and a huge pain in the butt. Rumors about her being a pain have been there for years, but now the details are out there and it’s pretty grim. Ryan is not the help he used to be as people aren’t really tripping over themselves anymore to work with him.

Time will tell I guess. We will likely know more after the trial and those headlines fade later this summer.

The point is that Panitch did not actually say her career was over. He said she was over for a time and then compared her to Ann Hathaway, who came back from her weird cancelling stronger than ever. Plus the studio exec he was communicating with actually disagreed.

If I were to put money on it, I would bet that Blake still has a career ahead of her. Actually I wonder if there's a betting market with that option -- maybe I will put money on it!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t see how anyone thinks Ryan’s career hasn’t taken a huge hit. Deadpool four is dead, Paramount canceled three of his planned projects, and they’re not re-upping his first look development contract when it expires at the end of 2026.

I’m sure not all of this is due to the lawsuit. The fact is he’s old and super hero movies are going out of favor and his brand of humor and things are just starting to seem dated at this point. Plus the Paramount merger is really shaking up the industry and there’s a lot of pairing back until things settle.

But it can’t be argued he’s just not the hot commodity he was a couple years ago and I don’t see him bouncing back from that, lawsuit or not.

Blake’s movie careers over that’s pretty much not debatable at this point. The head of Sony pictures gets paid tens of millions of dollars to be an expert on this and I’m going to take his word that she’ll never work again. And now that the financials of the company she has licensing agreements with have come to light it really seems there’s no there there. Betty buzz has never made a profit, Betty booze is doing OK, and the hair products biz is all but done and dusted.

You are taking that Sanford Panitch quote out of context. Here's what he said:

"It’s quite ironic because she has a huge hit movie headed to $300M-plus. And probably will never work again, or not for a while. Although even Hathaway recovered. Tom thinks she’s probably and bizarrely unhirable right now.”

Then another exec replies "This will pass. She is going to be FINE." And Panitch writes:

"No. Disagree. She is done for, at least for awhile. It's cooked. She said she is retiring to Josh or something. It will take a few years. Eva Mendez time."

What I'm reading here is that he's using hyperbolic language but then constantly walking it back. She'll never work again, but then people said that about Ann Hathaway too, right? Who is working. She's done. But just for a while. She's cooked. But it will take a few years. And so on. Also the hilarious thing is that they are talking about all of this in the context of discussing how bonkers the box office from IEWU is, Panitch later segues effortlessly from complaining that Blake wouldn't listen to Sony regarding the premiere to noting that the international box office is "astounding." He can't even decide what he thinks. Also the comparisons to Hathaway and Mendez are bizarre. Anne Hathaway is currently very hot (actually starring in a different Hoover adaptation coming out later this year I believe). Eva Mendez no longer works at all but also didn't go out due to some big scandal? She had kids and kind of stopped working and later said she doesn't even think she likes acting. If those are the examples they are using for how "done" Blake is, it actually does not indicate that this is an unrecoverable scandal, sorry.

Also one thing I've learned about Hollywood people in this is that a lot of them mean like 2% of what they say and also a huge part of their job is just telling whoever they are talking to what they want to hear. Ange Giannetti called Blake a terrorist when talking to Wayfarer and then when the movie had a big opening, sent Blake a slavering text telling her it was Blake's victory and she earned it and how amazing she was. These people are soulless.

I mean, it sounds to me like she’s not a studio favorite right now. Her IMDB is looking pretty bleak. We’ve been through this before, but the 2 on their have not been updated in 6 plus years are the new one that cheese producing was probably just a prescribe and doesn’t seem to have any cast or crew attached.

Studios are just going to see that she is litigious and a huge pain in the butt. Rumors about her being a pain have been there for years, but now the details are out there and it’s pretty grim. Ryan is not the help he used to be as people aren’t really tripping over themselves anymore to work with him.

Time will tell I guess. We will likely know more after the trial and those headlines fade later this summer.

The point is that Panitch did not actually say her career was over. He said she was over for a time and then compared her to Ann Hathaway, who came back from her weird cancelling stronger than ever. Plus the studio exec he was communicating with actually disagreed.

If I were to put money on it, I would bet that Blake still has a career ahead of her. Actually I wonder if there's a betting market with that option -- maybe I will put money on it!

Anne Hathaway comparison is strange to me because Anne mildly annoyed people. She did not have a two-year scandal that generated bad headlines every day. Add to that Anne was a lot younger and had more time to take off. The trial is happening this summer at the same time Blake is turning 39. It’s just really hard to compare. I’m sure Anne does not appreciate her little blip of over exposure to Blake being called a terrorist, taking over a movie, and getting involved in two years worth of litigation where a bunch of celebrity texts and emails were shared.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let's use common sense and stop rationalizing things in Blake's favor. What would you do if you were a producer/director/writer? Would you want to work with Blake?

The answer is no.

Yeah, the rationalization is pretty crazy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let's use common sense and stop rationalizing things in Blake's favor. What would you do if you were a producer/director/writer? Would you want to work with Blake?

The answer is no.

I wouldn't hire her because I don't think she has talent, but the idea that she wouldn't be hired because she filed this lawsuit doesn't sit right with me (I'm not the poster who is arguing she still has a career). I wouldn't even want Baldoni to be cancelled over this, even though I think he's a creep, because his behavior wasn't that bad in the grand scheme so I'd rather hope he would learn from it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t see how anyone thinks Ryan’s career hasn’t taken a huge hit. Deadpool four is dead, Paramount canceled three of his planned projects, and they’re not re-upping his first look development contract when it expires at the end of 2026.

I’m sure not all of this is due to the lawsuit. The fact is he’s old and super hero movies are going out of favor and his brand of humor and things are just starting to seem dated at this point. Plus the Paramount merger is really shaking up the industry and there’s a lot of pairing back until things settle.

But it can’t be argued he’s just not the hot commodity he was a couple years ago and I don’t see him bouncing back from that, lawsuit or not.

Blake’s movie careers over that’s pretty much not debatable at this point. The head of Sony pictures gets paid tens of millions of dollars to be an expert on this and I’m going to take his word that she’ll never work again. And now that the financials of the company she has licensing agreements with have come to light it really seems there’s no there there. Betty buzz has never made a profit, Betty booze is doing OK, and the hair products biz is all but done and dusted.

You are taking that Sanford Panitch quote out of context. Here's what he said:

"It’s quite ironic because she has a huge hit movie headed to $300M-plus. And probably will never work again, or not for a while. Although even Hathaway recovered. Tom thinks she’s probably and bizarrely unhirable right now.”

Then another exec replies "This will pass. She is going to be FINE." And Panitch writes:

"No. Disagree. She is done for, at least for awhile. It's cooked. She said she is retiring to Josh or something. It will take a few years. Eva Mendez time."

What I'm reading here is that he's using hyperbolic language but then constantly walking it back. She'll never work again, but then people said that about Ann Hathaway too, right? Who is working. She's done. But just for a while. She's cooked. But it will take a few years. And so on. Also the hilarious thing is that they are talking about all of this in the context of discussing how bonkers the box office from IEWU is, Panitch later segues effortlessly from complaining that Blake wouldn't listen to Sony regarding the premiere to noting that the international box office is "astounding." He can't even decide what he thinks. Also the comparisons to Hathaway and Mendez are bizarre. Anne Hathaway is currently very hot (actually starring in a different Hoover adaptation coming out later this year I believe). Eva Mendez no longer works at all but also didn't go out due to some big scandal? She had kids and kind of stopped working and later said she doesn't even think she likes acting. If those are the examples they are using for how "done" Blake is, it actually does not indicate that this is an unrecoverable scandal, sorry.

Also one thing I've learned about Hollywood people in this is that a lot of them mean like 2% of what they say and also a huge part of their job is just telling whoever they are talking to what they want to hear. Ange Giannetti called Blake a terrorist when talking to Wayfarer and then when the movie had a big opening, sent Blake a slavering text telling her it was Blake's victory and she earned it and how amazing she was. These people are soulless.

I mean, it sounds to me like she’s not a studio favorite right now. Her IMDB is looking pretty bleak. We’ve been through this before, but the 2 on their have not been updated in 6 plus years are the new one that cheese producing was probably just a prescribe and doesn’t seem to have any cast or crew attached.

Studios are just going to see that she is litigious and a huge pain in the butt. Rumors about her being a pain have been there for years, but now the details are out there and it’s pretty grim. Ryan is not the help he used to be as people aren’t really tripping over themselves anymore to work with him.

Time will tell I guess. We will likely know more after the trial and those headlines fade later this summer.

The point is that Panitch did not actually say her career was over. He said she was over for a time and then compared her to Ann Hathaway, who came back from her weird cancelling stronger than ever. Plus the studio exec he was communicating with actually disagreed.

If I were to put money on it, I would bet that Blake still has a career ahead of her. Actually I wonder if there's a betting market with that option -- maybe I will put money on it!

Anne Hathaway comparison is strange to me because Anne mildly annoyed people. She did not have a two-year scandal that generated bad headlines every day. Add to that Anne was a lot younger and had more time to take off. The trial is happening this summer at the same time Blake is turning 39. It’s just really hard to compare. I’m sure Anne does not appreciate her little blip of over exposure to Blake being called a terrorist, taking over a movie, and getting involved in two years worth of litigation where a bunch of celebrity texts and emails were shared.

Also found that comparison bizarre for the reasons you stated + Anne Hathaway already had a long impressive career at that point with iconic roles + she was an Oscar winner + she's presumably cool to work with based on how friendly she's been with her coworkers. I know people online scream that not all coworkers have to be besties, but I do think if you do pick up friends along the way, I think it speaks to how easy you are to work with, and Blake notoriously did not make lasting friends on the set of GG, while all the other castmembers have at least one or two people they still talk to. It's just so funny that Blake tried to cash in on GG nostalgia by posting on set pics last year, and yet all her pics with her more talented co-star Leighton Meester were all from Season 1. Gee, wonder what happened there.

Just not even comparable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's use common sense and stop rationalizing things in Blake's favor. What would you do if you were a producer/director/writer? Would you want to work with Blake?

The answer is no.

I wouldn't hire her because I don't think she has talent, but the idea that she wouldn't be hired because she filed this lawsuit doesn't sit right with me (I'm not the poster who is arguing she still has a career). I wouldn't even want Baldoni to be cancelled over this, even though I think he's a creep, because his behavior wasn't that bad in the grand scheme so I'd rather hope he would learn from it.

It's not even the lawsuit, it's that she and Ryan are a package deal and that the documents that have come out of the lawsuit show how demanding she was and how she balloons budgets. Even if you believe Blake (lol), no producer who's practical-minded would want to deal with that.

[Anonymous]

What I find really suspicious about Blake is her lack of protectiveness over Isabela, and I hope the Blake bots see the red flags in hindsight one day, though I doubt it.

If Justin were a true predator, and Blake genuinely wanted to protect her, she would want to keep her out of any purported vendetta that Justin might carry out on her. Instead she used her as a tool against him, by asking her to unfollow him, mocking him together with her in interviews, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's use common sense and stop rationalizing things in Blake's favor. What would you do if you were a producer/director/writer? Would you want to work with Blake?

The answer is no.

I wouldn't hire her because I don't think she has talent, but the idea that she wouldn't be hired because she filed this lawsuit doesn't sit right with me (I'm not the poster who is arguing she still has a career). I wouldn't even want Baldoni to be cancelled over this, even though I think he's a creep, because his behavior wasn't that bad in the grand scheme so I'd rather hope he would learn from it.

It's not even the lawsuit, it's that she and Ryan are a package deal and that the documents that have come out of the lawsuit show how demanding she was and how she balloons budgets. Even if you believe Blake (lol), no producer who's practical-minded would want to deal with that.

Exactly. The lawsuit made all this info public but it’s now out there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t see how anyone thinks Ryan’s career hasn’t taken a huge hit. Deadpool four is dead, Paramount canceled three of his planned projects, and they’re not re-upping his first look development contract when it expires at the end of 2026.

I’m sure not all of this is due to the lawsuit. The fact is he’s old and super hero movies are going out of favor and his brand of humor and things are just starting to seem dated at this point. Plus the Paramount merger is really shaking up the industry and there’s a lot of pairing back until things settle.

But it can’t be argued he’s just not the hot commodity he was a couple years ago and I don’t see him bouncing back from that, lawsuit or not.

Blake’s movie careers over that’s pretty much not debatable at this point. The head of Sony pictures gets paid tens of millions of dollars to be an expert on this and I’m going to take his word that she’ll never work again. And now that the financials of the company she has licensing agreements with have come to light it really seems there’s no there there. Betty buzz has never made a profit, Betty booze is doing OK, and the hair products biz is all but done and dusted.

I totally agree. Ryan has taken a huge hit. People are sick of him. I cringe when his dumb phone commercials come on.