Lively/Baldoni Lawsuit Part 2

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Anonymous wrote:To the post above, it’s fair to say Justin and Jamey made a lot of mistakes. I would likely find them annoying and I don’t dispute they were clueless and should have changed course.

But I also don’t believe they deserve this lawsuit and the article based on the evidence I have seen and I am pretty convinced no matter what Blake and Ryan were going to seek to undermine them to gain the rights to the sequel. Justin had bought the rights from Colleen and yet Colleen texted her friend “when Blake and I do the sequel.” So I do think that was the plan.

I don’t like that she was calling him a dufus and a clown before ever setting foot on set or that she was scheming with Taylor so early on. I don’t like that she refused to sigh a contract and used that as leverage to constantly bail on the movie no less than 10 times.

I also think Sony made a lot of mistakes and look really bad. They had 2 female senior producers on set every day and yet there might be SH?

And then when the movie made them 350 million - the head of the Sony Pictures called Blake epic level stupid and callously said she’d never work again.

If it was found that there was SH, Sony was on set every day and watching every daily and yet they called Blake a terrorist and accused her of creating drama.

Real question: did you read the parts of Jamey Heath's depo where he talked about who was in charge on set, and how he thought HR issues should be handled during filming?

Why don’t you calm down and stop acting like I have a real stake in this - I really don’t care. I was simply pointing out that Sony is looking bad in all this. They certainly did not expect those texts and emails to come out, did they?

WF may have been in charge and the New York Times article made it seem like Sony was just a distributor and not really involved. We now know they were intimately involved. Having two senior producers onset every day. Being CCed on every piece of correspondence Blake’s lawyers were sending.

That’s the only point I was raising. Sony had a leak about 15 years ago that was humiliating for them. And here we are again reading the head of Sony pictures blunt emails about how he thinks Blake lively is stupid and she’ll never work again.

And how they disregarded any complaints of sexual harassment because they were obsessed with Blake‘s weight. I don’t know why she blamed Justin for that. It was the head of Sony pictures who said she looked bad and it was one of the senior producers saying don’t worry we will reshoot when she loses the baby weight.

Either Sony sucks and they’re really bad at their jobs to let it get this far and now have a huge headache of having their emails and texts out in public as well as having executives take up time to be deposed and things or they had no ideas this was coming, or probably both. No company wants that so they did open themselves up for that and I’m betting they might have some safeguards in place to avoid this kind of thing in the future, but who knows.

Conversely, they probably never thought it was going to get this far and they probably see this stuff every day on set and didn’t expect a times article and a lawsuit.

Either way they screwed themselves. I doubt, after seeing people magazine featuring head of Sony pictures calling Blake epic level stupid and having Ryan Reynolds called two of their executives “in effectual elderly people who have no idea what’s going on”….they are taking much comfort that you think it was Wayfares job or problem and not theirs - because it has became their problem.

They’re a huge company and they were caught flat footed. I’m betting heads are rolling and they’re not saying well great job everybody this was WF fault.

Whoa, what part of my single line post was not calm? I was just wondering if you had read those parts of Heath's depo. Did you?

Yes. I understand that it was Wayfares role to handle HR concerns. That woefully misses the point of what happened.

When there is a crisis like this in corporate America, it does Sony little good to say well that was WF’s job. Were Sony executives deposed and may some of them have to come testify in court if this goes to trial? Yes. Did a lot of Sony’s texts and emails that they would not want the public to see get blasted out in People magazine and other media outlets? Yes. Were Sony executives humiliated by being insulted by Ryan Reynolds for all the world to see? Yes.

You can say it was Wayfares responsibility to contain the situation and that their HR people failed at their job, but the damage to Sony is still done.

Typically when a crisis like this happens in a company, it’s not good enough for people to say well, that was someone else’s job. Sony has had to spend money and resources cleaning up this mess, it’s been a huge distraction for their executives, and they’ve suffered reputational damage. It’s little comfort that it was wayfarers fault. And in the future, you can bet they’re putting safeguards in place so that they’re not letting some independent studio or any other business partner trash their reputation, cost them money, and create such a headache.

Okay.

So the reason I asked if you'd read Heath's deposition is because I was really surprised and frustrated by Heath's responses to questions about how HR worked on the film and how he thought HR issues should be addressed. When asked who he thought cast and crew should go to with HR concerns, he said he felt Alex Sachs, or maybe the first AD, would be appropriate, but he honestly didn't know. When told that Alex Sachs had testified that Heath is who she would have gone to with HR issues, he was surprised to hear that. He also stated that he believed there was a hotline people could contact with HR concerns, but when asked if Wayfarer or the film LLC had paid for and set up a hotline, he said he was not aware of one.

From an employment law perspective, this is negligence at a minimum. It also undercuts the argument that Blake failed to report issues as they arose -- she absolutely made Sachs and Heath (and Baldoni and Ange Giannetti) aware of her concerns. But none of them felt they were in charge. Again, this is negligence. And IME, when employers are *this* negligent about basic HR, it makes it much easier for other employment law issues, including harassment, to arise. Because there are no adults in the room who will step in and address problems, so they metastasize. And I think that's what happened here.

When companies are this negligent in operations, they get sued. Well...

Blake is not suing because of neglected HR issues. She watched herself get canceled and become “bizarrely unhirable” as confirmed by Hollywood insiders and she needed someone to blame. This case is more about retaliation.

Unfortunately, for her, it’s going be hard to stick the genie back into the bottle. Even if she wins everything in court, which seems like a long shot given some of the technical issues she faces as well as that damn smear campaign is “untraceable”, it’s hard to imagine studios wanting to hire her, or Blake Brown Beauty recovering.

She is literally suing over HR issues. Like as in it is the basis of her complaint.

Baldoni & Co. ran a disorganized, casual set, and engaged in a bunch of inappropriate behavior that made women on set (multiple women) uncomfortable. They had no HR on set and even after multiple actresses came to them AND Alex Sachs AND Sony with complaints, they did not initiate HR proceedings to address the issues and ensure they were not repeated. So yes, Blake did wind up forcing HR compliance on the production, paying her own lawyers to draft safe set requirements and getting Wayfarer to agree to them. All parties agree that after Blake did this, the set ran smoothly and there were no more issues. Were it up to Wayfarer, they would have just kept winging it and ignoring problems.

And then when Justin and Jamey realized they had pissed off half a dozen of the most important people involved in the film (most of the main cast, Alex Sachs, Colleen Hoover), they panicked and hired Epstein/Depp/"bad man"-defender Melissa Nathan to do crisis management for them, over the strong advice of Stephanie Jones. Nathan did what she does best -- enlist Jed Wallace and Bryan Freedman to help destroy someone's reputation online. Unfortunately for them, they were in cahoots with Jen Abel, who chose to conduct part of this conspiracy using a work phone that belonged to Stephanie Jones. Oops.

Did Blake make things harder for herself with some of her marketing choices? You bet! Does she have some problematic past interviews that are cringeworthy to watch now? Yes. Is it normal for a director and producers to hire someone to help highlight their LEAD ACTRESS's worst qualities and past behavior online as the movie they just spent millions to make and staked their reputations on is coming out? No, it's insane. It also, unfortunately may have broken the law.

The idea that this whole thing is about Blake Brown Beauty is some fantasy a bunch of red pilled weirdos on Reddit came up with. This is actually about Justin Baldoni, Jamey Heath, and their behavior. You can try to distract from that all you want, but the actual court case will remain focused on that.

The bolded part was always impressive to me as far back as the NYT. So many times women come out years later and everyone is like "why didn't she say something" and here we have her actually using the pause in production to get something put in place that actually worked (which is maybe, the one thing the parties agree on?), and she didn't breathe a word about it or make any waves in public at the time. And we have her texts and conversations from during filming, and the accounts of others, like the real time texts from the IC getting creeped out, that demonstrates these were all genuine good faith beliefs, not something manufactured later. It's not something she made up to steal a movie (she stole that movie fair and square, hah). It may not end up being actionable sexual harassment, but this was a genuine problem, this stuff happened, she didn't make this up. But then she unfollowed him and he decided to destroy her (and then claims he didn't have to because it organically happened, and again we'll see if that pans out in court). Baldoni threw just as big of a tantrum.

I'm not saying she's perfect, just that she deserves her day in court.

What really burned Justin was that Ryan u followed him, and then blocked him. He texted Abel about both events individually, which means this guy was checking his own Instagram follows closely enough to know Ryan, with whom he did not even have a professional relationship, had unfollowed him AND THEN he kept checking Ryan's IG until he discovered he was blocked.

Which was interesting to read because Justin claims he only cared about the unfollowing because of the PR implications. But no one could tell Ryan had blocked him except Justin. And he melted down over it. This is so, so pathetic to me.

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Anonymous wrote:To the post above, it’s fair to say Justin and Jamey made a lot of mistakes. I would likely find them annoying and I don’t dispute they were clueless and should have changed course.

But I also don’t believe they deserve this lawsuit and the article based on the evidence I have seen and I am pretty convinced no matter what Blake and Ryan were going to seek to undermine them to gain the rights to the sequel. Justin had bought the rights from Colleen and yet Colleen texted her friend “when Blake and I do the sequel.” So I do think that was the plan.

I don’t like that she was calling him a dufus and a clown before ever setting foot on set or that she was scheming with Taylor so early on. I don’t like that she refused to sigh a contract and used that as leverage to constantly bail on the movie no less than 10 times.

I also think Sony made a lot of mistakes and look really bad. They had 2 female senior producers on set every day and yet there might be SH?

And then when the movie made them 350 million - the head of the Sony Pictures called Blake epic level stupid and callously said she’d never work again.

If it was found that there was SH, Sony was on set every day and watching every daily and yet they called Blake a terrorist and accused her of creating drama.

Real question: did you read the parts of Jamey Heath's depo where he talked about who was in charge on set, and how he thought HR issues should be handled during filming?

Why don’t you calm down and stop acting like I have a real stake in this - I really don’t care. I was simply pointing out that Sony is looking bad in all this. They certainly did not expect those texts and emails to come out, did they?

WF may have been in charge and the New York Times article made it seem like Sony was just a distributor and not really involved. We now know they were intimately involved. Having two senior producers onset every day. Being CCed on every piece of correspondence Blake’s lawyers were sending.

That’s the only point I was raising. Sony had a leak about 15 years ago that was humiliating for them. And here we are again reading the head of Sony pictures blunt emails about how he thinks Blake lively is stupid and she’ll never work again.

And how they disregarded any complaints of sexual harassment because they were obsessed with Blake‘s weight. I don’t know why she blamed Justin for that. It was the head of Sony pictures who said she looked bad and it was one of the senior producers saying don’t worry we will reshoot when she loses the baby weight.

Either Sony sucks and they’re really bad at their jobs to let it get this far and now have a huge headache of having their emails and texts out in public as well as having executives take up time to be deposed and things or they had no ideas this was coming, or probably both. No company wants that so they did open themselves up for that and I’m betting they might have some safeguards in place to avoid this kind of thing in the future, but who knows.

Conversely, they probably never thought it was going to get this far and they probably see this stuff every day on set and didn’t expect a times article and a lawsuit.

Either way they screwed themselves. I doubt, after seeing people magazine featuring head of Sony pictures calling Blake epic level stupid and having Ryan Reynolds called two of their executives “in effectual elderly people who have no idea what’s going on”….they are taking much comfort that you think it was Wayfares job or problem and not theirs - because it has became their problem.

They’re a huge company and they were caught flat footed. I’m betting heads are rolling and they’re not saying well great job everybody this was WF fault.

DP. Really hate to break it to you but Sony does not care that much about this. No one was fired over this. They’re a huge company that gets sued all the time. They just beat earnings by a mile. That’s what they care about. Blake is the only person losing money over this as she’s unemployable.

I don’t believe for a minute sony doesn’t care that all these texts and emails were all over the media.

This was far from a nothing burger. Sony and other studios are taking note and see the Blake creates a lot of drama and opens them up for litigation. That’s why she’s not hireable.

I don’t see how you can say this didn’t cost them money. Has your company ever been in a situation like this? Even if they are not going to trial, executives were deposed and maybe testifying - they had to turn over records. This definitely takes company time and resources to deal with.

Sony also was panicking over the Ryan Reynolds taking credit for the rooftop scene. Their lawyers sent a letter to Wayfarer urging them to give them more information because if Ryan had written a scene and he was not properly credited, that’s a violation of WGA. Blake caused all kinds of headaches for them.

Finally, it was noted early on that Sony got Blake the role in the hopes of getting in Ryan’s good graces. So they spent all this capital only to find that they likely won’t be working with Ryan Reynolds ever again. not that they would want to. But what a waste.

It would be really sad, though not at all surprising, if all Sony took away from this is "that Blake is such a pain in the ass."

Blake has had the reputation of being a total pain in the ass nightmare going all the way back to Gossip Girl intentionally making up lies to pit the cast against each other. She makes enemies on EVERY set. She's been lucky to get some work through her husband but this is a straw that breaks the camels back thing.

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Anonymous wrote:To the post above, it’s fair to say Justin and Jamey made a lot of mistakes. I would likely find them annoying and I don’t dispute they were clueless and should have changed course.

But I also don’t believe they deserve this lawsuit and the article based on the evidence I have seen and I am pretty convinced no matter what Blake and Ryan were going to seek to undermine them to gain the rights to the sequel. Justin had bought the rights from Colleen and yet Colleen texted her friend “when Blake and I do the sequel.” So I do think that was the plan.

I don’t like that she was calling him a dufus and a clown before ever setting foot on set or that she was scheming with Taylor so early on. I don’t like that she refused to sigh a contract and used that as leverage to constantly bail on the movie no less than 10 times.

I also think Sony made a lot of mistakes and look really bad. They had 2 female senior producers on set every day and yet there might be SH?

And then when the movie made them 350 million - the head of the Sony Pictures called Blake epic level stupid and callously said she’d never work again.

If it was found that there was SH, Sony was on set every day and watching every daily and yet they called Blake a terrorist and accused her of creating drama.

Real question: did you read the parts of Jamey Heath's depo where he talked about who was in charge on set, and how he thought HR issues should be handled during filming?

Why don’t you calm down and stop acting like I have a real stake in this - I really don’t care. I was simply pointing out that Sony is looking bad in all this. They certainly did not expect those texts and emails to come out, did they?

WF may have been in charge and the New York Times article made it seem like Sony was just a distributor and not really involved. We now know they were intimately involved. Having two senior producers onset every day. Being CCed on every piece of correspondence Blake’s lawyers were sending.

That’s the only point I was raising. Sony had a leak about 15 years ago that was humiliating for them. And here we are again reading the head of Sony pictures blunt emails about how he thinks Blake lively is stupid and she’ll never work again.

And how they disregarded any complaints of sexual harassment because they were obsessed with Blake‘s weight. I don’t know why she blamed Justin for that. It was the head of Sony pictures who said she looked bad and it was one of the senior producers saying don’t worry we will reshoot when she loses the baby weight.

Either Sony sucks and they’re really bad at their jobs to let it get this far and now have a huge headache of having their emails and texts out in public as well as having executives take up time to be deposed and things or they had no ideas this was coming, or probably both. No company wants that so they did open themselves up for that and I’m betting they might have some safeguards in place to avoid this kind of thing in the future, but who knows.

Conversely, they probably never thought it was going to get this far and they probably see this stuff every day on set and didn’t expect a times article and a lawsuit.

Either way they screwed themselves. I doubt, after seeing people magazine featuring head of Sony pictures calling Blake epic level stupid and having Ryan Reynolds called two of their executives “in effectual elderly people who have no idea what’s going on”….they are taking much comfort that you think it was Wayfares job or problem and not theirs - because it has became their problem.

They’re a huge company and they were caught flat footed. I’m betting heads are rolling and they’re not saying well great job everybody this was WF fault.

DP. Really hate to break it to you but Sony does not care that much about this. No one was fired over this. They’re a huge company that gets sued all the time. They just beat earnings by a mile. That’s what they care about. Blake is the only person losing money over this as she’s unemployable.

I don’t believe for a minute sony doesn’t care that all these texts and emails were all over the media.

This was far from a nothing burger. Sony and other studios are taking note and see the Blake creates a lot of drama and opens them up for litigation. That’s why she’s not hireable.

I don’t see how you can say this didn’t cost them money. Has your company ever been in a situation like this? Even if they are not going to trial, executives were deposed and maybe testifying - they had to turn over records. This definitely takes company time and resources to deal with.

Sony also was panicking over the Ryan Reynolds taking credit for the rooftop scene. Their lawyers sent a letter to Wayfarer urging them to give them more information because if Ryan had written a scene and he was not properly credited, that’s a violation of WGA. Blake caused all kinds of headaches for them.

Finally, it was noted early on that Sony got Blake the role in the hopes of getting in Ryan’s good graces. So they spent all this capital only to find that they likely won’t be working with Ryan Reynolds ever again. not that they would want to. But what a waste.

You’ve clearly never worked for a mega cap company. They do not care. They’re in the middle of multiple lawsuits right now. It’s the price of doing business at that level. They’re not even being sued here. The worst press they got from this was calling Blake a terrorist, which most people agree with. Content creators even have a new nickname for her: osama bin lively.

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Anonymous wrote:To the post above, it’s fair to say Justin and Jamey made a lot of mistakes. I would likely find them annoying and I don’t dispute they were clueless and should have changed course.

But I also don’t believe they deserve this lawsuit and the article based on the evidence I have seen and I am pretty convinced no matter what Blake and Ryan were going to seek to undermine them to gain the rights to the sequel. Justin had bought the rights from Colleen and yet Colleen texted her friend “when Blake and I do the sequel.” So I do think that was the plan.

I don’t like that she was calling him a dufus and a clown before ever setting foot on set or that she was scheming with Taylor so early on. I don’t like that she refused to sigh a contract and used that as leverage to constantly bail on the movie no less than 10 times.

I also think Sony made a lot of mistakes and look really bad. They had 2 female senior producers on set every day and yet there might be SH?

And then when the movie made them 350 million - the head of the Sony Pictures called Blake epic level stupid and callously said she’d never work again.

If it was found that there was SH, Sony was on set every day and watching every daily and yet they called Blake a terrorist and accused her of creating drama.

Real question: did you read the parts of Jamey Heath's depo where he talked about who was in charge on set, and how he thought HR issues should be handled during filming?

Why don’t you calm down and stop acting like I have a real stake in this - I really don’t care. I was simply pointing out that Sony is looking bad in all this. They certainly did not expect those texts and emails to come out, did they?

WF may have been in charge and the New York Times article made it seem like Sony was just a distributor and not really involved. We now know they were intimately involved. Having two senior producers onset every day. Being CCed on every piece of correspondence Blake’s lawyers were sending.

That’s the only point I was raising. Sony had a leak about 15 years ago that was humiliating for them. And here we are again reading the head of Sony pictures blunt emails about how he thinks Blake lively is stupid and she’ll never work again.

And how they disregarded any complaints of sexual harassment because they were obsessed with Blake‘s weight. I don’t know why she blamed Justin for that. It was the head of Sony pictures who said she looked bad and it was one of the senior producers saying don’t worry we will reshoot when she loses the baby weight.

Either Sony sucks and they’re really bad at their jobs to let it get this far and now have a huge headache of having their emails and texts out in public as well as having executives take up time to be deposed and things or they had no ideas this was coming, or probably both. No company wants that so they did open themselves up for that and I’m betting they might have some safeguards in place to avoid this kind of thing in the future, but who knows.

Conversely, they probably never thought it was going to get this far and they probably see this stuff every day on set and didn’t expect a times article and a lawsuit.

Either way they screwed themselves. I doubt, after seeing people magazine featuring head of Sony pictures calling Blake epic level stupid and having Ryan Reynolds called two of their executives “in effectual elderly people who have no idea what’s going on”….they are taking much comfort that you think it was Wayfares job or problem and not theirs - because it has became their problem.

They’re a huge company and they were caught flat footed. I’m betting heads are rolling and they’re not saying well great job everybody this was WF fault.

DP. Really hate to break it to you but Sony does not care that much about this. No one was fired over this. They’re a huge company that gets sued all the time. They just beat earnings by a mile. That’s what they care about. Blake is the only person losing money over this as she’s unemployable.

I don’t believe for a minute sony doesn’t care that all these texts and emails were all over the media.

This was far from a nothing burger. Sony and other studios are taking note and see the Blake creates a lot of drama and opens them up for litigation. That’s why she’s not hireable.

I don’t see how you can say this didn’t cost them money. Has your company ever been in a situation like this? Even if they are not going to trial, executives were deposed and maybe testifying - they had to turn over records. This definitely takes company time and resources to deal with.

Sony also was panicking over the Ryan Reynolds taking credit for the rooftop scene. Their lawyers sent a letter to Wayfarer urging them to give them more information because if Ryan had written a scene and he was not properly credited, that’s a violation of WGA. Blake caused all kinds of headaches for them.

Finally, it was noted early on that Sony got Blake the role in the hopes of getting in Ryan’s good graces. So they spent all this capital only to find that they likely won’t be working with Ryan Reynolds ever again. not that they would want to. But what a waste.

You’ve clearly never worked for a mega cap company. They do not care. They’re in the middle of multiple lawsuits right now. It’s the price of doing business at that level. They’re not even being sued here. The worst press they got from this was calling Blake a terrorist, which most people agree with. Content creators even have a new nickname for her: osama bin lively.

I get what you’re saying to a degree but I do think they cared about this. Hollywood exists in part because of this illusion that movie making is magic - an artistic creative endeavor that people are really fortunate to get to do.

Sony was freaking out because Blake wasn’t doing what actors have agreed to do since the beginning of time , which is suck it up and do what’s best for the show. In this case, it worked out for Sony because the movie made a lot of money. But overall studios don’t like this drama. They don’t like that the head of the studios emails were leaked and made headlines. And they don’t like executives have to having to spend time being deposed.

Agree, this isn’t going to sink them or anything, but this was a big headache for them.

If it wasn’t, then the studios would just look at the $350 million end game and say let’s hire Blake immediately. But no one did that. They don’t want this kind of hassle. They don’t want the legal and financial or the logistical headaches that their people have to go through.

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Anonymous wrote:To the post above, it’s fair to say Justin and Jamey made a lot of mistakes. I would likely find them annoying and I don’t dispute they were clueless and should have changed course.

But I also don’t believe they deserve this lawsuit and the article based on the evidence I have seen and I am pretty convinced no matter what Blake and Ryan were going to seek to undermine them to gain the rights to the sequel. Justin had bought the rights from Colleen and yet Colleen texted her friend “when Blake and I do the sequel.” So I do think that was the plan.

I don’t like that she was calling him a dufus and a clown before ever setting foot on set or that she was scheming with Taylor so early on. I don’t like that she refused to sigh a contract and used that as leverage to constantly bail on the movie no less than 10 times.

I also think Sony made a lot of mistakes and look really bad. They had 2 female senior producers on set every day and yet there might be SH?

And then when the movie made them 350 million - the head of the Sony Pictures called Blake epic level stupid and callously said she’d never work again.

If it was found that there was SH, Sony was on set every day and watching every daily and yet they called Blake a terrorist and accused her of creating drama.

Real question: did you read the parts of Jamey Heath's depo where he talked about who was in charge on set, and how he thought HR issues should be handled during filming?

Why don’t you calm down and stop acting like I have a real stake in this - I really don’t care. I was simply pointing out that Sony is looking bad in all this. They certainly did not expect those texts and emails to come out, did they?

WF may have been in charge and the New York Times article made it seem like Sony was just a distributor and not really involved. We now know they were intimately involved. Having two senior producers onset every day. Being CCed on every piece of correspondence Blake’s lawyers were sending.

That’s the only point I was raising. Sony had a leak about 15 years ago that was humiliating for them. And here we are again reading the head of Sony pictures blunt emails about how he thinks Blake lively is stupid and she’ll never work again.

And how they disregarded any complaints of sexual harassment because they were obsessed with Blake‘s weight. I don’t know why she blamed Justin for that. It was the head of Sony pictures who said she looked bad and it was one of the senior producers saying don’t worry we will reshoot when she loses the baby weight.

Either Sony sucks and they’re really bad at their jobs to let it get this far and now have a huge headache of having their emails and texts out in public as well as having executives take up time to be deposed and things or they had no ideas this was coming, or probably both. No company wants that so they did open themselves up for that and I’m betting they might have some safeguards in place to avoid this kind of thing in the future, but who knows.

Conversely, they probably never thought it was going to get this far and they probably see this stuff every day on set and didn’t expect a times article and a lawsuit.

Either way they screwed themselves. I doubt, after seeing people magazine featuring head of Sony pictures calling Blake epic level stupid and having Ryan Reynolds called two of their executives “in effectual elderly people who have no idea what’s going on”….they are taking much comfort that you think it was Wayfares job or problem and not theirs - because it has became their problem.

They’re a huge company and they were caught flat footed. I’m betting heads are rolling and they’re not saying well great job everybody this was WF fault.

DP. Really hate to break it to you but Sony does not care that much about this. No one was fired over this. They’re a huge company that gets sued all the time. They just beat earnings by a mile. That’s what they care about. Blake is the only person losing money over this as she’s unemployable.

I don’t believe for a minute sony doesn’t care that all these texts and emails were all over the media.

This was far from a nothing burger. Sony and other studios are taking note and see the Blake creates a lot of drama and opens them up for litigation. That’s why she’s not hireable.

I don’t see how you can say this didn’t cost them money. Has your company ever been in a situation like this? Even if they are not going to trial, executives were deposed and maybe testifying - they had to turn over records. This definitely takes company time and resources to deal with.

Sony also was panicking over the Ryan Reynolds taking credit for the rooftop scene. Their lawyers sent a letter to Wayfarer urging them to give them more information because if Ryan had written a scene and he was not properly credited, that’s a violation of WGA. Blake caused all kinds of headaches for them.

Finally, it was noted early on that Sony got Blake the role in the hopes of getting in Ryan’s good graces. So they spent all this capital only to find that they likely won’t be working with Ryan Reynolds ever again. not that they would want to. But what a waste.

It would be really sad, though not at all surprising, if all Sony took away from this is "that Blake is such a pain in the ass."

I haven’t seen any evidence at all that Sony was the least bit concerned about sexual harassment. Because it really wasn’t a major part of the movie and basically came up after Blake got canceled and she needed a reason to sue for a retaliation.

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Anonymous wrote:To the post above, it’s fair to say Justin and Jamey made a lot of mistakes. I would likely find them annoying and I don’t dispute they were clueless and should have changed course.

But I also don’t believe they deserve this lawsuit and the article based on the evidence I have seen and I am pretty convinced no matter what Blake and Ryan were going to seek to undermine them to gain the rights to the sequel. Justin had bought the rights from Colleen and yet Colleen texted her friend “when Blake and I do the sequel.” So I do think that was the plan.

I don’t like that she was calling him a dufus and a clown before ever setting foot on set or that she was scheming with Taylor so early on. I don’t like that she refused to sigh a contract and used that as leverage to constantly bail on the movie no less than 10 times.

I also think Sony made a lot of mistakes and look really bad. They had 2 female senior producers on set every day and yet there might be SH?

And then when the movie made them 350 million - the head of the Sony Pictures called Blake epic level stupid and callously said she’d never work again.

If it was found that there was SH, Sony was on set every day and watching every daily and yet they called Blake a terrorist and accused her of creating drama.

Real question: did you read the parts of Jamey Heath's depo where he talked about who was in charge on set, and how he thought HR issues should be handled during filming?

Why don’t you calm down and stop acting like I have a real stake in this - I really don’t care. I was simply pointing out that Sony is looking bad in all this. They certainly did not expect those texts and emails to come out, did they?

WF may have been in charge and the New York Times article made it seem like Sony was just a distributor and not really involved. We now know they were intimately involved. Having two senior producers onset every day. Being CCed on every piece of correspondence Blake’s lawyers were sending.

That’s the only point I was raising. Sony had a leak about 15 years ago that was humiliating for them. And here we are again reading the head of Sony pictures blunt emails about how he thinks Blake lively is stupid and she’ll never work again.

And how they disregarded any complaints of sexual harassment because they were obsessed with Blake‘s weight. I don’t know why she blamed Justin for that. It was the head of Sony pictures who said she looked bad and it was one of the senior producers saying don’t worry we will reshoot when she loses the baby weight.

Either Sony sucks and they’re really bad at their jobs to let it get this far and now have a huge headache of having their emails and texts out in public as well as having executives take up time to be deposed and things or they had no ideas this was coming, or probably both. No company wants that so they did open themselves up for that and I’m betting they might have some safeguards in place to avoid this kind of thing in the future, but who knows.

Conversely, they probably never thought it was going to get this far and they probably see this stuff every day on set and didn’t expect a times article and a lawsuit.

Either way they screwed themselves. I doubt, after seeing people magazine featuring head of Sony pictures calling Blake epic level stupid and having Ryan Reynolds called two of their executives “in effectual elderly people who have no idea what’s going on”….they are taking much comfort that you think it was Wayfares job or problem and not theirs - because it has became their problem.

They’re a huge company and they were caught flat footed. I’m betting heads are rolling and they’re not saying well great job everybody this was WF fault.

DP. Really hate to break it to you but Sony does not care that much about this. No one was fired over this. They’re a huge company that gets sued all the time. They just beat earnings by a mile. That’s what they care about. Blake is the only person losing money over this as she’s unemployable.

I don’t believe for a minute sony doesn’t care that all these texts and emails were all over the media.

This was far from a nothing burger. Sony and other studios are taking note and see the Blake creates a lot of drama and opens them up for litigation. That’s why she’s not hireable.

I don’t see how you can say this didn’t cost them money. Has your company ever been in a situation like this? Even if they are not going to trial, executives were deposed and maybe testifying - they had to turn over records. This definitely takes company time and resources to deal with.

Sony also was panicking over the Ryan Reynolds taking credit for the rooftop scene. Their lawyers sent a letter to Wayfarer urging them to give them more information because if Ryan had written a scene and he was not properly credited, that’s a violation of WGA. Blake caused all kinds of headaches for them.

Finally, it was noted early on that Sony got Blake the role in the hopes of getting in Ryan’s good graces. So they spent all this capital only to find that they likely won’t be working with Ryan Reynolds ever again. not that they would want to. But what a waste.

You’ve clearly never worked for a mega cap company. They do not care. They’re in the middle of multiple lawsuits right now. It’s the price of doing business at that level. They’re not even being sued here. The worst press they got from this was calling Blake a terrorist, which most people agree with. Content creators even have a new nickname for her: osama bin lively.

I get what you’re saying to a degree but I do think they cared about this. Hollywood exists in part because of this illusion that movie making is magic - an artistic creative endeavor that people are really fortunate to get to do.

Sony was freaking out because Blake wasn’t doing what actors have agreed to do since the beginning of time , which is suck it up and do what’s best for the show. In this case, it worked out for Sony because the movie made a lot of money. But overall studios don’t like this drama. They don’t like that the head of the studios emails were leaked and made headlines. And they don’t like executives have to having to spend time being deposed.

Agree, this isn’t going to sink them or anything, but this was a big headache for them.

If it wasn’t, then the studios would just look at the $350 million end game and say let’s hire Blake immediately. But no one did that. They don’t want this kind of hassle. They don’t want the legal and financial or the logistical headaches that their people have to go through.

Oh yeah they’ll never hire her again. But OP was saying they’re so embarrassed and heads were going to roll. Just not true. I think at most they got a reminder to be careful what they put in writing and that even stuff on their personal devices is discoverable. Like don’t talk bad about the actors in writing. Do it in person lol Like I think that’s it and then they moved on imo.

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Blake and Ryan have an odd and disjointed PR strategy. He probably just should’ve showed up with her at court. I know they were supposed to show how she’s so vulnerable and alone, but now it’s being reported that she had her chauffeur fetch her Mahjong set because she

If he wanted to stay out of it, he shouldn’t have made a statement about his anger after the leaked texts. Taylor didn’t. Just let it go. Or if he didn’t want to let it go, he should’ve showed up with her.

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Anonymous wrote:To the post above, it’s fair to say Justin and Jamey made a lot of mistakes. I would likely find them annoying and I don’t dispute they were clueless and should have changed course.

But I also don’t believe they deserve this lawsuit and the article based on the evidence I have seen and I am pretty convinced no matter what Blake and Ryan were going to seek to undermine them to gain the rights to the sequel. Justin had bought the rights from Colleen and yet Colleen texted her friend “when Blake and I do the sequel.” So I do think that was the plan.

I don’t like that she was calling him a dufus and a clown before ever setting foot on set or that she was scheming with Taylor so early on. I don’t like that she refused to sigh a contract and used that as leverage to constantly bail on the movie no less than 10 times.

I also think Sony made a lot of mistakes and look really bad. They had 2 female senior producers on set every day and yet there might be SH?

And then when the movie made them 350 million - the head of the Sony Pictures called Blake epic level stupid and callously said she’d never work again.

If it was found that there was SH, Sony was on set every day and watching every daily and yet they called Blake a terrorist and accused her of creating drama.

Real question: did you read the parts of Jamey Heath's depo where he talked about who was in charge on set, and how he thought HR issues should be handled during filming?

Why don’t you calm down and stop acting like I have a real stake in this - I really don’t care. I was simply pointing out that Sony is looking bad in all this. They certainly did not expect those texts and emails to come out, did they?

WF may have been in charge and the New York Times article made it seem like Sony was just a distributor and not really involved. We now know they were intimately involved. Having two senior producers onset every day. Being CCed on every piece of correspondence Blake’s lawyers were sending.

That’s the only point I was raising. Sony had a leak about 15 years ago that was humiliating for them. And here we are again reading the head of Sony pictures blunt emails about how he thinks Blake lively is stupid and she’ll never work again.

And how they disregarded any complaints of sexual harassment because they were obsessed with Blake‘s weight. I don’t know why she blamed Justin for that. It was the head of Sony pictures who said she looked bad and it was one of the senior producers saying don’t worry we will reshoot when she loses the baby weight.

Either Sony sucks and they’re really bad at their jobs to let it get this far and now have a huge headache of having their emails and texts out in public as well as having executives take up time to be deposed and things or they had no ideas this was coming, or probably both. No company wants that so they did open themselves up for that and I’m betting they might have some safeguards in place to avoid this kind of thing in the future, but who knows.

Conversely, they probably never thought it was going to get this far and they probably see this stuff every day on set and didn’t expect a times article and a lawsuit.

Either way they screwed themselves. I doubt, after seeing people magazine featuring head of Sony pictures calling Blake epic level stupid and having Ryan Reynolds called two of their executives “in effectual elderly people who have no idea what’s going on”….they are taking much comfort that you think it was Wayfares job or problem and not theirs - because it has became their problem.

They’re a huge company and they were caught flat footed. I’m betting heads are rolling and they’re not saying well great job everybody this was WF fault.

Whoa, what part of my single line post was not calm? I was just wondering if you had read those parts of Heath's depo. Did you?

Yes. I understand that it was Wayfares role to handle HR concerns. That woefully misses the point of what happened.

When there is a crisis like this in corporate America, it does Sony little good to say well that was WF’s job. Were Sony executives deposed and may some of them have to come testify in court if this goes to trial? Yes. Did a lot of Sony’s texts and emails that they would not want the public to see get blasted out in People magazine and other media outlets? Yes. Were Sony executives humiliated by being insulted by Ryan Reynolds for all the world to see? Yes.

You can say it was Wayfares responsibility to contain the situation and that their HR people failed at their job, but the damage to Sony is still done.

Typically when a crisis like this happens in a company, it’s not good enough for people to say well, that was someone else’s job. Sony has had to spend money and resources cleaning up this mess, it’s been a huge distraction for their executives, and they’ve suffered reputational damage. It’s little comfort that it was wayfarers fault. And in the future, you can bet they’re putting safeguards in place so that they’re not letting some independent studio or any other business partner trash their reputation, cost them money, and create such a headache.

Okay.

So the reason I asked if you'd read Heath's deposition is because I was really surprised and frustrated by Heath's responses to questions about how HR worked on the film and how he thought HR issues should be addressed. When asked who he thought cast and crew should go to with HR concerns, he said he felt Alex Sachs, or maybe the first AD, would be appropriate, but he honestly didn't know. When told that Alex Sachs had testified that Heath is who she would have gone to with HR issues, he was surprised to hear that. He also stated that he believed there was a hotline people could contact with HR concerns, but when asked if Wayfarer or the film LLC had paid for and set up a hotline, he said he was not aware of one.

From an employment law perspective, this is negligence at a minimum. It also undercuts the argument that Blake failed to report issues as they arose -- she absolutely made Sachs and Heath (and Baldoni and Ange Giannetti) aware of her concerns. But none of them felt they were in charge. Again, this is negligence. And IME, when employers are *this* negligent about basic HR, it makes it much easier for other employment law issues, including harassment, to arise. Because there are no adults in the room who will step in and address problems, so they metastasize. And I think that's what happened here.

When companies are this negligent in operations, they get sued. Well...

Blake is not suing because of neglected HR issues. She watched herself get canceled and become “bizarrely unhirable” as confirmed by Hollywood insiders and she needed someone to blame. This case is more about retaliation.

Unfortunately, for her, it’s going be hard to stick the genie back into the bottle. Even if she wins everything in court, which seems like a long shot given some of the technical issues she faces as well as that damn smear campaign is “untraceable”, it’s hard to imagine studios wanting to hire her, or Blake Brown Beauty recovering.

She is literally suing over HR issues. Like as in it is the basis of her complaint.

Baldoni & Co. ran a disorganized, casual set, and engaged in a bunch of inappropriate behavior that made women on set (multiple women) uncomfortable. They had no HR on set and even after multiple actresses came to them AND Alex Sachs AND Sony with complaints, they did not initiate HR proceedings to address the issues and ensure they were not repeated. So yes, Blake did wind up forcing HR compliance on the production, paying her own lawyers to draft safe set requirements and getting Wayfarer to agree to them. All parties agree that after Blake did this, the set ran smoothly and there were no more issues. Were it up to Wayfarer, they would have just kept winging it and ignoring problems.

And then when Justin and Jamey realized they had pissed off half a dozen of the most important people involved in the film (most of the main cast, Alex Sachs, Colleen Hoover), they panicked and hired Epstein/Depp/"bad man"-defender Melissa Nathan to do crisis management for them, over the strong advice of Stephanie Jones. Nathan did what she does best -- enlist Jed Wallace and Bryan Freedman to help destroy someone's reputation online. Unfortunately for them, they were in cahoots with Jen Abel, who chose to conduct part of this conspiracy using a work phone that belonged to Stephanie Jones. Oops.

Did Blake make things harder for herself with some of her marketing choices? You bet! Does she have some problematic past interviews that are cringeworthy to watch now? Yes. Is it normal for a director and producers to hire someone to help highlight their LEAD ACTRESS's worst qualities and past behavior online as the movie they just spent millions to make and staked their reputations on is coming out? No, it's insane. It also, unfortunately may have broken the law.

The idea that this whole thing is about Blake Brown Beauty is some fantasy a bunch of red pilled weirdos on Reddit came up with. This is actually about Justin Baldoni, Jamey Heath, and their behavior. You can try to distract from that all you want, but the actual court case will remain focused on that.

The bolded part was always impressive to me as far back as the NYT. So many times women come out years later and everyone is like "why didn't she say something" and here we have her actually using the pause in production to get something put in place that actually worked (which is maybe, the one thing the parties agree on?), and she didn't breathe a word about it or make any waves in public at the time. And we have her texts and conversations from during filming, and the accounts of others, like the real time texts from the IC getting creeped out, that demonstrates these were all genuine good faith beliefs, not something manufactured later. It's not something she made up to steal a movie (she stole that movie fair and square, hah). It may not end up being actionable sexual harassment, but this was a genuine problem, this stuff happened, she didn't make this up. But then she unfollowed him and he decided to destroy her (and then claims he didn't have to because it organically happened, and again we'll see if that pans out in court). Baldoni threw just as big of a tantrum.

I'm not saying she's perfect, just that she deserves her day in court.

What really burned Justin was that Ryan u followed him, and then blocked him. He texted Abel about both events individually, which means this guy was checking his own Instagram follows closely enough to know Ryan, with whom he did not even have a professional relationship, had unfollowed him AND THEN he kept checking Ryan's IG until he discovered he was blocked.

Which was interesting to read because Justin claims he only cared about the unfollowing because of the PR implications. But no one could tell Ryan had blocked him except Justin. And he melted down over it. This is so, so pathetic to me.

I’m not sure that it is pathetic. It sounded like he noticed Ryan unfollowed him around the same time the cast was. Do you remember when Travis unfollowed Ryan? It was news for days and basically put away any doubt that Blake and Taylor were still friends.

They were getting ready to literally promote and market a movie. Publicity was top of mind. I don’t think it was weird that he was keeping tabs on Ryan at all. Blake and Ryan were playing a game and he was trying to keep up.

Sure enough, just like with Taylor and Travis, fans saw these breadcrumbs. Did you not see Sony freaking out over the unfollowing? I don’t think they cared out the goodness of their own hearts that all these people were good friends, they were worried about the movie just like Justin was.

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Anonymous wrote:To the post above, it’s fair to say Justin and Jamey made a lot of mistakes. I would likely find them annoying and I don’t dispute they were clueless and should have changed course.

But I also don’t believe they deserve this lawsuit and the article based on the evidence I have seen and I am pretty convinced no matter what Blake and Ryan were going to seek to undermine them to gain the rights to the sequel. Justin had bought the rights from Colleen and yet Colleen texted her friend “when Blake and I do the sequel.” So I do think that was the plan.

I don’t like that she was calling him a dufus and a clown before ever setting foot on set or that she was scheming with Taylor so early on. I don’t like that she refused to sigh a contract and used that as leverage to constantly bail on the movie no less than 10 times.

I also think Sony made a lot of mistakes and look really bad. They had 2 female senior producers on set every day and yet there might be SH?

And then when the movie made them 350 million - the head of the Sony Pictures called Blake epic level stupid and callously said she’d never work again.

If it was found that there was SH, Sony was on set every day and watching every daily and yet they called Blake a terrorist and accused her of creating drama.

Real question: did you read the parts of Jamey Heath's depo where he talked about who was in charge on set, and how he thought HR issues should be handled during filming?

Why don’t you calm down and stop acting like I have a real stake in this - I really don’t care. I was simply pointing out that Sony is looking bad in all this. They certainly did not expect those texts and emails to come out, did they?

WF may have been in charge and the New York Times article made it seem like Sony was just a distributor and not really involved. We now know they were intimately involved. Having two senior producers onset every day. Being CCed on every piece of correspondence Blake’s lawyers were sending.

That’s the only point I was raising. Sony had a leak about 15 years ago that was humiliating for them. And here we are again reading the head of Sony pictures blunt emails about how he thinks Blake lively is stupid and she’ll never work again.

And how they disregarded any complaints of sexual harassment because they were obsessed with Blake‘s weight. I don’t know why she blamed Justin for that. It was the head of Sony pictures who said she looked bad and it was one of the senior producers saying don’t worry we will reshoot when she loses the baby weight.

Either Sony sucks and they’re really bad at their jobs to let it get this far and now have a huge headache of having their emails and texts out in public as well as having executives take up time to be deposed and things or they had no ideas this was coming, or probably both. No company wants that so they did open themselves up for that and I’m betting they might have some safeguards in place to avoid this kind of thing in the future, but who knows.

Conversely, they probably never thought it was going to get this far and they probably see this stuff every day on set and didn’t expect a times article and a lawsuit.

Either way they screwed themselves. I doubt, after seeing people magazine featuring head of Sony pictures calling Blake epic level stupid and having Ryan Reynolds called two of their executives “in effectual elderly people who have no idea what’s going on”….they are taking much comfort that you think it was Wayfares job or problem and not theirs - because it has became their problem.

They’re a huge company and they were caught flat footed. I’m betting heads are rolling and they’re not saying well great job everybody this was WF fault.

Whoa, what part of my single line post was not calm? I was just wondering if you had read those parts of Heath's depo. Did you?

Yes. I understand that it was Wayfares role to handle HR concerns. That woefully misses the point of what happened.

When there is a crisis like this in corporate America, it does Sony little good to say well that was WF’s job. Were Sony executives deposed and may some of them have to come testify in court if this goes to trial? Yes. Did a lot of Sony’s texts and emails that they would not want the public to see get blasted out in People magazine and other media outlets? Yes. Were Sony executives humiliated by being insulted by Ryan Reynolds for all the world to see? Yes.

You can say it was Wayfares responsibility to contain the situation and that their HR people failed at their job, but the damage to Sony is still done.

Typically when a crisis like this happens in a company, it’s not good enough for people to say well, that was someone else’s job. Sony has had to spend money and resources cleaning up this mess, it’s been a huge distraction for their executives, and they’ve suffered reputational damage. It’s little comfort that it was wayfarers fault. And in the future, you can bet they’re putting safeguards in place so that they’re not letting some independent studio or any other business partner trash their reputation, cost them money, and create such a headache.

Okay.

So the reason I asked if you'd read Heath's deposition is because I was really surprised and frustrated by Heath's responses to questions about how HR worked on the film and how he thought HR issues should be addressed. When asked who he thought cast and crew should go to with HR concerns, he said he felt Alex Sachs, or maybe the first AD, would be appropriate, but he honestly didn't know. When told that Alex Sachs had testified that Heath is who she would have gone to with HR issues, he was surprised to hear that. He also stated that he believed there was a hotline people could contact with HR concerns, but when asked if Wayfarer or the film LLC had paid for and set up a hotline, he said he was not aware of one.

From an employment law perspective, this is negligence at a minimum. It also undercuts the argument that Blake failed to report issues as they arose -- she absolutely made Sachs and Heath (and Baldoni and Ange Giannetti) aware of her concerns. But none of them felt they were in charge. Again, this is negligence. And IME, when employers are *this* negligent about basic HR, it makes it much easier for other employment law issues, including harassment, to arise. Because there are no adults in the room who will step in and address problems, so they metastasize. And I think that's what happened here.

When companies are this negligent in operations, they get sued. Well...

Blake is not suing because of neglected HR issues. She watched herself get canceled and become “bizarrely unhirable” as confirmed by Hollywood insiders and she needed someone to blame. This case is more about retaliation.

Unfortunately, for her, it’s going be hard to stick the genie back into the bottle. Even if she wins everything in court, which seems like a long shot given some of the technical issues she faces as well as that damn smear campaign is “untraceable”, it’s hard to imagine studios wanting to hire her, or Blake Brown Beauty recovering.

She is literally suing over HR issues. Like as in it is the basis of her complaint.

Baldoni & Co. ran a disorganized, casual set, and engaged in a bunch of inappropriate behavior that made women on set (multiple women) uncomfortable. They had no HR on set and even after multiple actresses came to them AND Alex Sachs AND Sony with complaints, they did not initiate HR proceedings to address the issues and ensure they were not repeated. So yes, Blake did wind up forcing HR compliance on the production, paying her own lawyers to draft safe set requirements and getting Wayfarer to agree to them. All parties agree that after Blake did this, the set ran smoothly and there were no more issues. Were it up to Wayfarer, they would have just kept winging it and ignoring problems.

And then when Justin and Jamey realized they had pissed off half a dozen of the most important people involved in the film (most of the main cast, Alex Sachs, Colleen Hoover), they panicked and hired Epstein/Depp/"bad man"-defender Melissa Nathan to do crisis management for them, over the strong advice of Stephanie Jones. Nathan did what she does best -- enlist Jed Wallace and Bryan Freedman to help destroy someone's reputation online. Unfortunately for them, they were in cahoots with Jen Abel, who chose to conduct part of this conspiracy using a work phone that belonged to Stephanie Jones. Oops.

Did Blake make things harder for herself with some of her marketing choices? You bet! Does she have some problematic past interviews that are cringeworthy to watch now? Yes. Is it normal for a director and producers to hire someone to help highlight their LEAD ACTRESS's worst qualities and past behavior online as the movie they just spent millions to make and staked their reputations on is coming out? No, it's insane. It also, unfortunately may have broken the law.

The idea that this whole thing is about Blake Brown Beauty is some fantasy a bunch of red pilled weirdos on Reddit came up with. This is actually about Justin Baldoni, Jamey Heath, and their behavior. You can try to distract from that all you want, but the actual court case will remain focused on that.

The bolded part was always impressive to me as far back as the NYT. So many times women come out years later and everyone is like "why didn't she say something" and here we have her actually using the pause in production to get something put in place that actually worked (which is maybe, the one thing the parties agree on?), and she didn't breathe a word about it or make any waves in public at the time. And we have her texts and conversations from during filming, and the accounts of others, like the real time texts from the IC getting creeped out, that demonstrates these were all genuine good faith beliefs, not something manufactured later. It's not something she made up to steal a movie (she stole that movie fair and square, hah). It may not end up being actionable sexual harassment, but this was a genuine problem, this stuff happened, she didn't make this up. But then she unfollowed him and he decided to destroy her (and then claims he didn't have to because it organically happened, and again we'll see if that pans out in court). Baldoni threw just as big of a tantrum.

I'm not saying she's perfect, just that she deserves her day in court.

I'm not either of these two PPs but I agree with both of these comments so hard. Haven't been to this thread in a while.

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Anonymous wrote:To the post above, it’s fair to say Justin and Jamey made a lot of mistakes. I would likely find them annoying and I don’t dispute they were clueless and should have changed course.

But I also don’t believe they deserve this lawsuit and the article based on the evidence I have seen and I am pretty convinced no matter what Blake and Ryan were going to seek to undermine them to gain the rights to the sequel. Justin had bought the rights from Colleen and yet Colleen texted her friend “when Blake and I do the sequel.” So I do think that was the plan.

I don’t like that she was calling him a dufus and a clown before ever setting foot on set or that she was scheming with Taylor so early on. I don’t like that she refused to sigh a contract and used that as leverage to constantly bail on the movie no less than 10 times.

I also think Sony made a lot of mistakes and look really bad. They had 2 female senior producers on set every day and yet there might be SH?

And then when the movie made them 350 million - the head of the Sony Pictures called Blake epic level stupid and callously said she’d never work again.

If it was found that there was SH, Sony was on set every day and watching every daily and yet they called Blake a terrorist and accused her of creating drama.

Real question: did you read the parts of Jamey Heath's depo where he talked about who was in charge on set, and how he thought HR issues should be handled during filming?

Why don’t you calm down and stop acting like I have a real stake in this - I really don’t care. I was simply pointing out that Sony is looking bad in all this. They certainly did not expect those texts and emails to come out, did they?

WF may have been in charge and the New York Times article made it seem like Sony was just a distributor and not really involved. We now know they were intimately involved. Having two senior producers onset every day. Being CCed on every piece of correspondence Blake’s lawyers were sending.

That’s the only point I was raising. Sony had a leak about 15 years ago that was humiliating for them. And here we are again reading the head of Sony pictures blunt emails about how he thinks Blake lively is stupid and she’ll never work again.

And how they disregarded any complaints of sexual harassment because they were obsessed with Blake‘s weight. I don’t know why she blamed Justin for that. It was the head of Sony pictures who said she looked bad and it was one of the senior producers saying don’t worry we will reshoot when she loses the baby weight.

Either Sony sucks and they’re really bad at their jobs to let it get this far and now have a huge headache of having their emails and texts out in public as well as having executives take up time to be deposed and things or they had no ideas this was coming, or probably both. No company wants that so they did open themselves up for that and I’m betting they might have some safeguards in place to avoid this kind of thing in the future, but who knows.

Conversely, they probably never thought it was going to get this far and they probably see this stuff every day on set and didn’t expect a times article and a lawsuit.

Either way they screwed themselves. I doubt, after seeing people magazine featuring head of Sony pictures calling Blake epic level stupid and having Ryan Reynolds called two of their executives “in effectual elderly people who have no idea what’s going on”….they are taking much comfort that you think it was Wayfares job or problem and not theirs - because it has became their problem.

They’re a huge company and they were caught flat footed. I’m betting heads are rolling and they’re not saying well great job everybody this was WF fault.

Whoa, what part of my single line post was not calm? I was just wondering if you had read those parts of Heath's depo. Did you?

Yes. I understand that it was Wayfares role to handle HR concerns. That woefully misses the point of what happened.

When there is a crisis like this in corporate America, it does Sony little good to say well that was WF’s job. Were Sony executives deposed and may some of them have to come testify in court if this goes to trial? Yes. Did a lot of Sony’s texts and emails that they would not want the public to see get blasted out in People magazine and other media outlets? Yes. Were Sony executives humiliated by being insulted by Ryan Reynolds for all the world to see? Yes.

You can say it was Wayfares responsibility to contain the situation and that their HR people failed at their job, but the damage to Sony is still done.

Typically when a crisis like this happens in a company, it’s not good enough for people to say well, that was someone else’s job. Sony has had to spend money and resources cleaning up this mess, it’s been a huge distraction for their executives, and they’ve suffered reputational damage. It’s little comfort that it was wayfarers fault. And in the future, you can bet they’re putting safeguards in place so that they’re not letting some independent studio or any other business partner trash their reputation, cost them money, and create such a headache.

Okay.

So the reason I asked if you'd read Heath's deposition is because I was really surprised and frustrated by Heath's responses to questions about how HR worked on the film and how he thought HR issues should be addressed. When asked who he thought cast and crew should go to with HR concerns, he said he felt Alex Sachs, or maybe the first AD, would be appropriate, but he honestly didn't know. When told that Alex Sachs had testified that Heath is who she would have gone to with HR issues, he was surprised to hear that. He also stated that he believed there was a hotline people could contact with HR concerns, but when asked if Wayfarer or the film LLC had paid for and set up a hotline, he said he was not aware of one.

From an employment law perspective, this is negligence at a minimum. It also undercuts the argument that Blake failed to report issues as they arose -- she absolutely made Sachs and Heath (and Baldoni and Ange Giannetti) aware of her concerns. But none of them felt they were in charge. Again, this is negligence. And IME, when employers are *this* negligent about basic HR, it makes it much easier for other employment law issues, including harassment, to arise. Because there are no adults in the room who will step in and address problems, so they metastasize. And I think that's what happened here.

When companies are this negligent in operations, they get sued. Well...

Blake is not suing because of neglected HR issues. She watched herself get canceled and become “bizarrely unhirable” as confirmed by Hollywood insiders and she needed someone to blame. This case is more about retaliation.

Unfortunately, for her, it’s going be hard to stick the genie back into the bottle. Even if she wins everything in court, which seems like a long shot given some of the technical issues she faces as well as that damn smear campaign is “untraceable”, it’s hard to imagine studios wanting to hire her, or Blake Brown Beauty recovering.

She is literally suing over HR issues. Like as in it is the basis of her complaint.

Baldoni & Co. ran a disorganized, casual set, and engaged in a bunch of inappropriate behavior that made women on set (multiple women) uncomfortable. They had no HR on set and even after multiple actresses came to them AND Alex Sachs AND Sony with complaints, they did not initiate HR proceedings to address the issues and ensure they were not repeated. So yes, Blake did wind up forcing HR compliance on the production, paying her own lawyers to draft safe set requirements and getting Wayfarer to agree to them. All parties agree that after Blake did this, the set ran smoothly and there were no more issues. Were it up to Wayfarer, they would have just kept winging it and ignoring problems.

And then when Justin and Jamey realized they had pissed off half a dozen of the most important people involved in the film (most of the main cast, Alex Sachs, Colleen Hoover), they panicked and hired Epstein/Depp/"bad man"-defender Melissa Nathan to do crisis management for them, over the strong advice of Stephanie Jones. Nathan did what she does best -- enlist Jed Wallace and Bryan Freedman to help destroy someone's reputation online. Unfortunately for them, they were in cahoots with Jen Abel, who chose to conduct part of this conspiracy using a work phone that belonged to Stephanie Jones. Oops.

Did Blake make things harder for herself with some of her marketing choices? You bet! Does she have some problematic past interviews that are cringeworthy to watch now? Yes. Is it normal for a director and producers to hire someone to help highlight their LEAD ACTRESS's worst qualities and past behavior online as the movie they just spent millions to make and staked their reputations on is coming out? No, it's insane. It also, unfortunately may have broken the law.

The idea that this whole thing is about Blake Brown Beauty is some fantasy a bunch of red pilled weirdos on Reddit came up with. This is actually about Justin Baldoni, Jamey Heath, and their behavior. You can try to distract from that all you want, but the actual court case will remain focused on that.

The bolded part was always impressive to me as far back as the NYT. So many times women come out years later and everyone is like "why didn't she say something" and here we have her actually using the pause in production to get something put in place that actually worked (which is maybe, the one thing the parties agree on?), and she didn't breathe a word about it or make any waves in public at the time. And we have her texts and conversations from during filming, and the accounts of others, like the real time texts from the IC getting creeped out, that demonstrates these were all genuine good faith beliefs, not something manufactured later. It's not something she made up to steal a movie (she stole that movie fair and square, hah). It may not end up being actionable sexual harassment, but this was a genuine problem, this stuff happened, she didn't make this up. But then she unfollowed him and he decided to destroy her (and then claims he didn't have to because it organically happened, and again we'll see if that pans out in court). Baldoni threw just as big of a tantrum.

I'm not saying she's perfect, just that she deserves her day in court.

I'm not either of these two PPs but I agree with both of these comments so hard. Haven't been to this thread in a while.

Well then, you must be unfamiliar with Blake’s texts which tell a very different story.

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Anonymous wrote:Blake and Ryan have an odd and disjointed PR strategy. He probably just should’ve showed up with her at court. I know they were supposed to show how she’s so vulnerable and alone, but now it’s being reported that she had her chauffeur fetch her Mahjong set because she

If he wanted to stay out of it, he shouldn’t have made a statement about his anger after the leaked texts. Taylor didn’t. Just let it go. Or if he didn’t want to let it go, he should’ve showed up with her.

Someone should have helped her with her wardrobe, she looked so odd.

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Anonymous wrote:Blake and Ryan have an odd and disjointed PR strategy. He probably just should’ve showed up with her at court. I know they were supposed to show how she’s so vulnerable and alone, but now it’s being reported that she had her chauffeur fetch her Mahjong set because she

If he wanted to stay out of it, he shouldn’t have made a statement about his anger after the leaked texts. Taylor didn’t. Just let it go. Or if he didn’t want to let it go, he should’ve showed up with her.

Someone should have helped her with her wardrobe, she looked so odd.

That’s the point exactly. Go back to the movie and ‘her’ wardrobe choices. If I’m not mistaken, fans were turned off by her clothing choices in the movie, etc.

She has a style, and it seems either copy cat and/or frumpy.

I think others alluded to the fact that this is where the backlash began.

But I could be wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:Blake and Ryan have an odd and disjointed PR strategy. He probably just should’ve showed up with her at court. I know they were supposed to show how she’s so vulnerable and alone, but now it’s being reported that she had her chauffeur fetch her Mahjong set because she

If he wanted to stay out of it, he shouldn’t have made a statement about his anger after the leaked texts. Taylor didn’t. Just let it go. Or if he didn’t want to let it go, he should’ve showed up with her.

Someone should have helped her with her wardrobe, she looked so odd.

That’s the point exactly. Go back to the movie and ‘her’ wardrobe choices. If I’m not mistaken, fans were turned off by her clothing choices in the movie, etc.

She has a style, and it seems either copy cat and/or frumpy.

I think others alluded to the fact that this is where the backlash began.

But I could be wrong.

You’re not wrong and now that we see the documents they’ve proven it. Sony was absolutely freaking out over the fan backlash in May 2023 when they first published photos of Blake on set. higher ups from Sony said she looked bad and the producer from the Sony side, Ange, who was on set every day was trying to calm them down. Later in June, we saw correspondence from her reassuring the president of Sony that they would reshoot a scene after she lost the baby weight. And that one of the scenes where she looked ridiculous in her clothing (the funeral scene) was explained as a plot point. None of this was coming from Wayfarer.

A lot of backlash was coming from the fans. I don’t also think people realize how many people were on Justin’s side by the time the movie actually came out. People who had followed this book and were excited about the movie loved that Colleen hand picked him, there were a bunch of pictures of he and Colleen together, they knew that she had a specifically handpicked him to play Ryle. He had a lot of fans going into this and so it wasn’t just oh that’s weird, the director and costar isn’t at the premier. This is what a lot of people were missing. It generated a lot more backlash than would be typical. And a lot of them rightly blamed Blake.

Another thing that people might not realize is that Brandon and Isabel were on a panel in the summer of 2023 after they had finished their scenes and it was shut down for the strike. The transcript of the panel is included in the court documents.They both gushed over how great Justin was. And yes, people have defended it saying well they were marketing the film, but they went over and beyond what they needed to do talking about how great a director he was, how comfortable they felt, what a great vibe it was so then that added even more to the confusion when it looked like the whole cast had turned against him.

It doesn’t seem like Blake accounted for that kind of fan loyalty and knowledge when she orchestrated this.

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This post has absolutely nothing to do with the case, but it is bonkers to me what people will dig around and find once celebrities are under a spotlight as part of a never-ending scandal.

There was a Daily Mail article posted last year about Blake and Ryan’s unfinished country home they are building in Westchester on 110 acres. They purchased the land in 2018 and have been building ever since, apparently it’s still not finished. In June 2022 Blake and her lawyer had to get on a zoom call with the planning board and the reporter got a hold of the transcript.

An excerpt from the article:

“Speaking to the planning board, Lively noted that Reynolds had planned to be on the meeting too, but explained he was filming in France. It would’ve been in the middle of the night for him. ‘I was like, my darling, I got this. I got us.’

He would have no idea what he was talking about anyway, she quipped, ‘but he’d be so charming doing it.’

Lively said she and Reynolds wanted to ‘honor the history of the property’ while asking approval for a 1702 square foot gym, a 3306 square foot pool house and 1000 square-foot pool.”

She also talked about how they weren’t done having kids and their kids are growing up so fast, “which is not the board’s problem, but is very much our problem” and went on about how she just loves having babies. I don’t understand why she has such difficulty just talking normally to people? Just seems so out of touch.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-14626537/Photos-Blake-Lively-Ryan-Reynolds-sprawling-multi-million-dollar-new-hideout-cringe-way-couple-talk-private-revealed.html

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Anonymous wrote:To the post above, it’s fair to say Justin and Jamey made a lot of mistakes. I would likely find them annoying and I don’t dispute they were clueless and should have changed course.

But I also don’t believe they deserve this lawsuit and the article based on the evidence I have seen and I am pretty convinced no matter what Blake and Ryan were going to seek to undermine them to gain the rights to the sequel. Justin had bought the rights from Colleen and yet Colleen texted her friend “when Blake and I do the sequel.” So I do think that was the plan.

I don’t like that she was calling him a dufus and a clown before ever setting foot on set or that she was scheming with Taylor so early on. I don’t like that she refused to sigh a contract and used that as leverage to constantly bail on the movie no less than 10 times.

I also think Sony made a lot of mistakes and look really bad. They had 2 female senior producers on set every day and yet there might be SH?

And then when the movie made them 350 million - the head of the Sony Pictures called Blake epic level stupid and callously said she’d never work again.

If it was found that there was SH, Sony was on set every day and watching every daily and yet they called Blake a terrorist and accused her of creating drama.

Real question: did you read the parts of Jamey Heath's depo where he talked about who was in charge on set, and how he thought HR issues should be handled during filming?

Why don’t you calm down and stop acting like I have a real stake in this - I really don’t care. I was simply pointing out that Sony is looking bad in all this. They certainly did not expect those texts and emails to come out, did they?

WF may have been in charge and the New York Times article made it seem like Sony was just a distributor and not really involved. We now know they were intimately involved. Having two senior producers onset every day. Being CCed on every piece of correspondence Blake’s lawyers were sending.

That’s the only point I was raising. Sony had a leak about 15 years ago that was humiliating for them. And here we are again reading the head of Sony pictures blunt emails about how he thinks Blake lively is stupid and she’ll never work again.

And how they disregarded any complaints of sexual harassment because they were obsessed with Blake‘s weight. I don’t know why she blamed Justin for that. It was the head of Sony pictures who said she looked bad and it was one of the senior producers saying don’t worry we will reshoot when she loses the baby weight.

Either Sony sucks and they’re really bad at their jobs to let it get this far and now have a huge headache of having their emails and texts out in public as well as having executives take up time to be deposed and things or they had no ideas this was coming, or probably both. No company wants that so they did open themselves up for that and I’m betting they might have some safeguards in place to avoid this kind of thing in the future, but who knows.

Conversely, they probably never thought it was going to get this far and they probably see this stuff every day on set and didn’t expect a times article and a lawsuit.

Either way they screwed themselves. I doubt, after seeing people magazine featuring head of Sony pictures calling Blake epic level stupid and having Ryan Reynolds called two of their executives “in effectual elderly people who have no idea what’s going on”….they are taking much comfort that you think it was Wayfares job or problem and not theirs - because it has became their problem.

They’re a huge company and they were caught flat footed. I’m betting heads are rolling and they’re not saying well great job everybody this was WF fault.

Whoa, what part of my single line post was not calm? I was just wondering if you had read those parts of Heath's depo. Did you?

Yes. I understand that it was Wayfares role to handle HR concerns. That woefully misses the point of what happened.

When there is a crisis like this in corporate America, it does Sony little good to say well that was WF’s job. Were Sony executives deposed and may some of them have to come testify in court if this goes to trial? Yes. Did a lot of Sony’s texts and emails that they would not want the public to see get blasted out in People magazine and other media outlets? Yes. Were Sony executives humiliated by being insulted by Ryan Reynolds for all the world to see? Yes.

You can say it was Wayfares responsibility to contain the situation and that their HR people failed at their job, but the damage to Sony is still done.

Typically when a crisis like this happens in a company, it’s not good enough for people to say well, that was someone else’s job. Sony has had to spend money and resources cleaning up this mess, it’s been a huge distraction for their executives, and they’ve suffered reputational damage. It’s little comfort that it was wayfarers fault. And in the future, you can bet they’re putting safeguards in place so that they’re not letting some independent studio or any other business partner trash their reputation, cost them money, and create such a headache.

Okay.

So the reason I asked if you'd read Heath's deposition is because I was really surprised and frustrated by Heath's responses to questions about how HR worked on the film and how he thought HR issues should be addressed. When asked who he thought cast and crew should go to with HR concerns, he said he felt Alex Sachs, or maybe the first AD, would be appropriate, but he honestly didn't know. When told that Alex Sachs had testified that Heath is who she would have gone to with HR issues, he was surprised to hear that. He also stated that he believed there was a hotline people could contact with HR concerns, but when asked if Wayfarer or the film LLC had paid for and set up a hotline, he said he was not aware of one.

From an employment law perspective, this is negligence at a minimum. It also undercuts the argument that Blake failed to report issues as they arose -- she absolutely made Sachs and Heath (and Baldoni and Ange Giannetti) aware of her concerns. But none of them felt they were in charge. Again, this is negligence. And IME, when employers are *this* negligent about basic HR, it makes it much easier for other employment law issues, including harassment, to arise. Because there are no adults in the room who will step in and address problems, so they metastasize. And I think that's what happened here.

When companies are this negligent in operations, they get sued. Well...

Blake is not suing because of neglected HR issues. She watched herself get canceled and become “bizarrely unhirable” as confirmed by Hollywood insiders and she needed someone to blame. This case is more about retaliation.

Unfortunately, for her, it’s going be hard to stick the genie back into the bottle. Even if she wins everything in court, which seems like a long shot given some of the technical issues she faces as well as that damn smear campaign is “untraceable”, it’s hard to imagine studios wanting to hire her, or Blake Brown Beauty recovering.

She is literally suing over HR issues. Like as in it is the basis of her complaint.

Baldoni & Co. ran a disorganized, casual set, and engaged in a bunch of inappropriate behavior that made women on set (multiple women) uncomfortable. They had no HR on set and even after multiple actresses came to them AND Alex Sachs AND Sony with complaints, they did not initiate HR proceedings to address the issues and ensure they were not repeated. So yes, Blake did wind up forcing HR compliance on the production, paying her own lawyers to draft safe set requirements and getting Wayfarer to agree to them. All parties agree that after Blake did this, the set ran smoothly and there were no more issues. Were it up to Wayfarer, they would have just kept winging it and ignoring problems.

And then when Justin and Jamey realized they had pissed off half a dozen of the most important people involved in the film (most of the main cast, Alex Sachs, Colleen Hoover), they panicked and hired Epstein/Depp/"bad man"-defender Melissa Nathan to do crisis management for them, over the strong advice of Stephanie Jones. Nathan did what she does best -- enlist Jed Wallace and Bryan Freedman to help destroy someone's reputation online. Unfortunately for them, they were in cahoots with Jen Abel, who chose to conduct part of this conspiracy using a work phone that belonged to Stephanie Jones. Oops.

Did Blake make things harder for herself with some of her marketing choices? You bet! Does she have some problematic past interviews that are cringeworthy to watch now? Yes. Is it normal for a director and producers to hire someone to help highlight their LEAD ACTRESS's worst qualities and past behavior online as the movie they just spent millions to make and staked their reputations on is coming out? No, it's insane. It also, unfortunately may have broken the law.

The idea that this whole thing is about Blake Brown Beauty is some fantasy a bunch of red pilled weirdos on Reddit came up with. This is actually about Justin Baldoni, Jamey Heath, and their behavior. You can try to distract from that all you want, but the actual court case will remain focused on that.

The bolded part was always impressive to me as far back as the NYT. So many times women come out years later and everyone is like "why didn't she say something" and here we have her actually using the pause in production to get something put in place that actually worked (which is maybe, the one thing the parties agree on?), and she didn't breathe a word about it or make any waves in public at the time. And we have her texts and conversations from during filming, and the accounts of others, like the real time texts from the IC getting creeped out, that demonstrates these were all genuine good faith beliefs, not something manufactured later. It's not something she made up to steal a movie (she stole that movie fair and square, hah). It may not end up being actionable sexual harassment, but this was a genuine problem, this stuff happened, she didn't make this up. But then she unfollowed him and he decided to destroy her (and then claims he didn't have to because it organically happened, and again we'll see if that pans out in court). Baldoni threw just as big of a tantrum.

I'm not saying she's perfect, just that she deserves her day in court.

What really burned Justin was that Ryan u followed him, and then blocked him. He texted Abel about both events individually, which means this guy was checking his own Instagram follows closely enough to know Ryan, with whom he did not even have a professional relationship, had unfollowed him AND THEN he kept checking Ryan's IG until he discovered he was blocked.

Which was interesting to read because Justin claims he only cared about the unfollowing because of the PR implications. But no one could tell Ryan had blocked him except Justin. And he melted down over it. This is so, so pathetic to me.

I’m not sure that it is pathetic. It sounded like he noticed Ryan unfollowed him around the same time the cast was. Do you remember when Travis unfollowed Ryan? It was news for days and basically put away any doubt that Blake and Taylor were still friends.

They were getting ready to literally promote and market a movie. Publicity was top of mind. I don’t think it was weird that he was keeping tabs on Ryan at all. Blake and Ryan were playing a game and he was trying to keep up.

Sure enough, just like with Taylor and Travis, fans saw these breadcrumbs. Did you not see Sony freaking out over the unfollowing? I don’t think they cared out the goodness of their own hearts that all these people were good friends, they were worried about the movie just like Justin was.

He specifically melted down over Ryan blocking him though, not just being unfollowed. Blocking someone on IG is private and no one knows except the person who was blocked (because they will no longer be able to see that person's posts or profile). He was freaking out about this in like June of 2024. This is super weird to me because at that point, surely he knew there was no love lost between Blake/Ryan and Justin. Being blocked after being unfollowed sounds normal to me in that situation.

I also think Justin overreacted to being unfollowed. Yes fans will track and pick up on that, but it's happened many times before and it doesn't blow up or get people canceled. It's just low level celeb drama that hits gossip sites and then fades. Like all the drama over Don't Worry Darling or the weird backbiting that goes on between Selena Gomez and Hailey Bieber. Some fans take it too seriously but most people pay attention for a hot minute and then move on. The more famous you are, the more likely you are to stir up gossip online, that's just how it is. And Justin was starring in and was the director of what turned out to be a hit movie co-starring Blake Lively.

His PR people should have been explaining to him how to thread the needle on the rumors over the unfollowing and how to keep his nose clean, instead they were participating in his little pity party and hiring Jed Wallace and plotting how to take down the lead actress in the feature film he'd produced, directed, and starred in. Can we talk for a second about how ridiculous it is to try and tank Blake when your move rests on her rep? It's dumb. Again I look at what a mess the Don't Worry Darling promo was and how Florence Pugh went out of her way to make it clear she HATED her director, Olivia Wilde, plus also just refused to show up for certain press because she didn't want to sit next to Wild, and trolled Wilde on her Instagram. But everyone just kind of smiled through it and everyone involved with that [bad!] movie is still working and not canceled. Does anyone remember spit-gate?! All this crap is recoverable, people forget and move on. Justin blew it all way out of proportion, and Abel and Nathan participated in his little pity party instead of giving him dispassionate advice that would have actually helped him get through it with his rep intact.