SATC New Season - And Just Like That...

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Anonymous wrote:Based on her kids’ ages, the fact that she was able to get pregnant naturally, and the age of the actor who plays her husband (47), I’d guess the show is placing LTW in her mid-40s.

Whether the character is mid-40s, late 40s, or early 50s, that’s still a very statistically high likelihood that the pregnancy will end in miscarriage. I don’t know why people wanted more abortion-talk storyline out of it. This was a realistic and relatable outcome.

I agree. When she was crying about being pregnant in bed I knew she would have a miscarriage. It’s just the most likely thing to happen. I also knew because they didn’t tell their kids. It was obvious that would happen.

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Anonymous wrote:They should have had LTW get an abortion. Such a missed opportunity for meaningful storytelling, especially in the current political climate.

We already had two main characters—Carrie and Samantha—talk about their abortion experiences. We don’t need a third main character to go through that. I think a lot more women of LTW’s age related to getting unexpectedly pregnant at an advanced maternal age, feeling conflicted but deciding to keep it, then losing it. In fact, there have been numerous threads about that on DCUM.

It is probably the most realist outcome, at her age.

99% of unwanted pregnancies on TV shows magically end in miscarriage rather than abortion. It's such a cowardly and tired storyline.

Agree. That was especially weak for a show that’s been extra blatant about addressing all things gender.

An abortion or her having the baby with reservations and the impending doom on her life and career would have made more sense here.

You are crazy if you think a character played by a 52-year-old actress was not extremely likely to miscarry an unplanned pregnancy.

It’s baffling to me that people are questioning the storyline. Over 95% of pregnancies when you get to age 50 or around in a miscarriage. Incredibly incredibly likely this is how the story would end. I was actually angry when Charlotte and Lisa were at the glass store, and Lisa was acting as if this baby was gonna be born and she was going to be breast-feeding it.

This is not father of the bride part two folks. If she was 43, even mid 40s, OK, but this is a show about women in their 50s - a viable pregnancy storyline is just not gonna hold water.

But, I am 47 and this is why I am keeping my IUD until 52. I do like that they dealt with the realities of this age - pregnancy while rare is possible, but miscarriage is very probable.

The whole storyline was pointless. The odds of conceiving at that age are about 1%. So for 8 years she never had a follow up conversation with husband about a vasectomy? She is smart, so that’s unbelievable. Realistically, they could have showed her having an abortion, without shame or guilt.

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I have a feeling that we all know why PP brought up race, and it's because they are racist.

Nya is hot. She was also in a good place to have a hot sexual relationship with no other strings attached (though seems like that's about to change). She also has a really nice apartment. It doesn't seem like a wild stretch of the imagination that a younger guy would find all that appealing!



She's also brilliant by the by. Some men are actually impressed and turned on by that.

Not PP and I agree that she is attractive, but her character is fairly underdeveloped on the show, and I am having trouble getting into her storyline. They need to do more with her.

Oh, for SURE. She also seems totally off on another show from the other characters. Like Seema is there having dinner with the main crew - and her only real contact is that Miranda is living in her apartment, at this point.

I do feel like I know who she is - they've drawn a character who feels familiar - but her storyline is so small and so separate from everyone else. Maybe she'll get drawn in more now that she's going to go through an emotional crisis.

Well Miranda is the only well-educated one in the group, so I can see why it's difficult to integrate Naya with the others who talk about little other than boys and materialistic crap. Miranda's social cluelessness was endearing though, and the disconnect between her professional success vs dating life mistakes was the foundation of many of her storylines. Even if Naya is sad about her divorce, she's a confident and successful woman, so then what?

Charlotte is quite well educated - I think she went to a top private school and undergrad and she had a high profile job in the art world and just got back into that. They don't let just anyone off the street sell crappy art to Sam Smith.

Charlotte went to Smith, if memory serves.

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Why doesn’t Miranda get her own apt? She spent decades as law partner, she made millions. All of it couldn’t have been sunk into the Brooklyn house. Her living in that closet and a lane device to have interaction with Nya.

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She's a good friend who's kept a circle of good friends for decades. She has been there for her friends, just like they have been there for her. She's a human being who - like all human beings - cares more about her own life than anyone else's. But I think we've seen her behave with integrity, even if she hasn't always made the decisions we would choose for her (or for ourselves).

And I think there is zero chance she is going to ask Aiden to ditch his kid to spend more time with her. Do you think she will?

Carrie is not a good friend or a good person. This is well documented.
The writers are extremely conscious about what the fans/critics are saying (listen to their podcast if you don't believe it). They know people are saying that Carrie better not break Aiden's heart again. So they are looking for a way for him to break hers. In her (dark) heart of hearts, she definitely expects Aiden to choose her, but he won't -- as he shouldn't. When she said "bones heal" that was her saying "this is a temporary problem". Aiden is a good man and a good dad, he's going to be there for his troubled kid. Carrie will move on, she always does.

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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone find Aiden's reaction over the top (the hysterical sobbing and saying "I should have been there.")? I'm divorced and have a 14 year old with disabilities that affect his behavior (mental health issues). I'm upset when things go wrong for him, and wish there were something I could do, but at the end of the day, I don't feel a lot of guilt - he's had a lot of love and support from both my ex and I, a lot of mental health treatment, and at the end of the day, he's going to have to work some of this out (or not).

It just didn't ring true to me, but I admit I may be biased by my own situation.

Has your 14 year old gotten drunk, stolen a car, run into a tree and ended up in the hospital with broken legs because he was upset you weren't there? I find Aiden super annoying in many ways - the hair, the coats, his attraction to Carrie, but I completely get his reaction to this.

I thought Carrie's reaction was typically selfish and unsympathetic - "bones heal"? - not particularly reassuring.

“Bones heal.” Was such a stupid un-empathic thing to say. I was half expecting her to ask when he’d be back.

I liked the "bones heal" line because it WAS thoughtless and stupid. It felt authentic, the kind of cringy, awkward thing that comes out of your mouth when something terrible and shocking happens that you've never dealt with before. I wouldn't judge her for it. Judge her on what she does and how she treats Aidan and his son going forward.

This is an interesting take. I agree, she was at a loss of what to say, wanted to make him feel better and said something awkward and unhelpful. I think she is in over her head on this.

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Anonymous wrote:They should have had LTW get an abortion. Such a missed opportunity for meaningful storytelling, especially in the current political climate.

We already had two main characters—Carrie and Samantha—talk about their abortion experiences. We don’t need a third main character to go through that. I think a lot more women of LTW’s age related to getting unexpectedly pregnant at an advanced maternal age, feeling conflicted but deciding to keep it, then losing it. In fact, there have been numerous threads about that on DCUM.

It is probably the most realist outcome, at her age.

99% of unwanted pregnancies on TV shows magically end in miscarriage rather than abortion. It's such a cowardly and tired storyline.

Agree. That was especially weak for a show that’s been extra blatant about addressing all things gender.

An abortion or her having the baby with reservations and the impending doom on her life and career would have made more sense here.

You are crazy if you think a character played by a 52-year-old actress was not extremely likely to miscarry an unplanned pregnancy.

Your charm is persuasive but her real age is irrelevant. Her character seems to be in her 40s.

“Seems to be” to who? She is a direct contemporary of Charlottes, and we know Charlotte to be in her 50s.

Charlotte had her kids late in life. I would have guessed Lisa had her kids earlier, and that she is 43-45.

Kristin Davis is 58 years old. I don’t know what some of you are smoking if you think the character is in her 40s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristin_Davis

I am 43. When the series premiered in 1998, I was graduating from high school and heading off to college. All of the women in the series were introduced as characters in their early 30s (Samantha being a little older). In season 4, the big deal was Carrie turning 35 and everyone missing her birthday party.

No one is saying that. Charlotte had Rock at 40 and is now mid 50s; LTW probably had her kid at 30 and is now 45.

…according to who? Where are you drawing that conclusion with any certainty? The actress is 52. Why you’ve decided the character is 7 years younger than the actress portraying her, and a full THIRTEEN years younger than the actress who plays her character’s contemporary is beyond any reasonable thinking. It’s common for high-powered NYC women to have babies later than 30. What made you decide LTW had babies at 30 vs. 35? It’s absurd. Are you really this afraid of aging? Are you really this indignant about a woman in her FIFTIES having a miscarriage on a television show?

Your intensity concerning your position is odd. The majority of us believe the Lisa character is younger than Charlotte. Neither is playing their RL age-- are you familiar with Hollywood? Charlotte is still perimenopausal which suggests early 50s. Lisa remarked she thought she was no longer fertile, now realizes she's "on the border." That absolutely suggests 45. If she were 50 or older, she'd be utterly shocked and the number one topic of conversation would have been her age, the risk, and the almost-certain pregnancy loss to come. You are both weirdly emotional and illogical about their apparent ages on the show. So maybe calm down?

Nah, I’m good. You deciding the character is way younger than all evidence points to is very telling about your insecurity about aging. You seem to want this character to have had an abortion, or to have wrestled with that decision. She talked about it, and decided she couldn’t do that—why does that bother you? That’s a very realistic decision that a lot of women make. They know they have a choice, they are glad they have a choice, but they personally could not choose to have an abortion. That upsets you why?

I didn't make one comment about abortion. Your weird leaps are...

+1 NP and I also think LTW is supposed to be 45.

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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone find Aiden's reaction over the top (the hysterical sobbing and saying "I should have been there.")? I'm divorced and have a 14 year old with disabilities that affect his behavior (mental health issues). I'm upset when things go wrong for him, and wish there were something I could do, but at the end of the day, I don't feel a lot of guilt - he's had a lot of love and support from both my ex and I, a lot of mental health treatment, and at the end of the day, he's going to have to work some of this out (or not).

It just didn't ring true to me, but I admit I may be biased by my own situation.

Has your 14 year old gotten drunk, stolen a car, run into a tree and ended up in the hospital with broken legs because he was upset you weren't there? I find Aiden super annoying in many ways - the hair, the coats, his attraction to Carrie, but I completely get his reaction to this.

I thought Carrie's reaction was typically selfish and unsympathetic - "bones heal"? - not particularly reassuring.

“Bones heal.” Was such a stupid un-empathic thing to say. I was half expecting her to ask when he’d be back.

Do you not get that people say weird things in an unexpected crisis, when hearing unexpected news? When my mom called to tell my aunt that their mother had died, my aunt immediately said, “I can’t come to the funeral if it is this weekend. Phil has a work trip and he’s getting an award at a dinner.” My mom—wisely—just said, “OK, Carole, you just do what you need to do.”

An hour later, my aunt called back and said oh my God, I can’t believe I said that, of course I’ll be there. No one knows what to say and how to react perfectly when something out of their control is happening to someone they love.

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Charlotte’s tirade followed by sweetly letting the dog in was awesome and spot on!

Che’s stand-up perfectly underscored how self-centered they are…and how they lack any self-awareness. In short: it’s okay for them to be confused but not for anyone else. Apparently their feelings come first.

Carrie needed the fabulous new place to let go of the past and build a new future.

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Re: Aiden’s blabberfest - Would your husband react that way? Would you?

Seems weird.

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Anonymous wrote:Re: Aiden’s blabberfest - Would your husband react that way? Would you?

Seems weird.

If my kid had a mental health crisis and was in an accident in which he could have died, in large part because I wasn’t there when he needed me, you bet I’d be hysterical with worry and guilt.

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Anonymous wrote:Re: Aiden’s blabberfest - Would your husband react that way? Would you?

Seems weird.

If my kid had a mental health crisis and was in an accident in which he could have died, in large part because I wasn’t there when he needed me, you bet I’d be hysterical with worry and guilt.

Mental health crisis, or impulsive actions by a petulant teenage boy?

I understand getting upset and feeling guilty.

I don’t understand calling Carrie in tears.

After further reflection, I think the most glaring issue is the fact that he can’t act. Getting this role was a gift. The guy cannot act.

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Anonymous wrote:Based on her kids’ ages, the fact that she was able to get pregnant naturally, and the age of the actor who plays her husband (47), I’d guess the show is placing LTW in her mid-40s.

Whether the character is mid-40s, late 40s, or early 50s, that’s still a very statistically high likelihood that the pregnancy will end in miscarriage. I don’t know why people wanted more abortion-talk storyline out of it. This was a realistic and relatable outcome.

I agree. When she was crying about being pregnant in bed I knew she would have a miscarriage. It’s just the most likely thing to happen. I also knew because they didn’t tell their kids. It was obvious that would happen.

I think she is mid-40s. Nya is about that age, Samantha was older than the other original three, so I don't know why posters assume LTW has to be in her 50s. Miscarriage statistics are high, but not that high at that point in a pregnancy. LTW had been exhausted and falling asleep for at a least several weeks already, so she must have been 10-12 weeks pregnant by then.

One clue that made me think she had a medical abortion-- At the end of their conversation in bed, Herbert says to her she'll find a way to manage her career, family, and new baby, "You always do." She turned away and said to herself, yeah, I always do. You could tell she felt she was kind of on her own at that point, that the burden was going to fall overwhelmingly to her. I thought, right then, that she was going to opt to terminate.

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Anonymous wrote:Re: Aiden’s blabberfest - Would your husband react that way? Would you?

Seems weird.

My husband totally would. He's an emotional guy!

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Anonymous wrote:Re: Aiden’s blabberfest - Would your husband react that way? Would you?

Seems weird.

If my kid had a mental health crisis and was in an accident in which he could have died, in large part because I wasn’t there when he needed me, you bet I’d be hysterical with worry and guilt.

Mental health crisis, or impulsive actions by a petulant teenage boy?

I understand getting upset and feeling guilty.

I don’t understand calling Carrie in tears.

After further reflection, I think the most glaring issue is the fact that he can’t act. Getting this role was a gift. The guy cannot act.

Who else would he call? There has been no daylight between the two of them. It's natural he would seek comfort from the woman he loves.

But yeah, the acting was not good.