How can we better navigate this beach house dynamic?

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry for the long vent, but it's a vent-with-purpose. I am looking for approaches and strategies on how best to handle this madness, which is in a time-loop of the same stuff happening every year!

Every summer, my ILs rent the same beach house: we pay for our rooms. They invite DH/me/our kids; my DH's only cousin (who is in his late 20s); and DH's sister and her family, though they usually can't make it because they live in Oregon. (It gets pretty expensive on the years that not everyone else joins and pays, but we do it because we can and we don't want the cost burden to fall only on DH's parents.) It's a very nice place, we always have a good time, but my ILs have very rigid expectations of what everyone "should" be doing at all times, and it is contrary to how we like to vacation. We try to meet them in the middle a bit, but honestly our efforts and accommodations are never enough.

ILs are early risers: when DH and I show up for coffee on the porch around 7:30 or 8, it's exclamations over how we've "slept too late and missed the sunrise" and blah blah blah. And then when the kids naturally wake up and come out more like 8 or 8:30, it's "you've slept the day away and we've been waiting and waiting for breakfast." All this after we have told them, repeatedly, that we are happy to get our own breakfast or make breakfast for the kids and clean up whenever. ILs insist on making elaborate breakfasts every day--bacon, eggs, toast, cheese, fruit--bustling around and getting lots of dishes dirty. They usually cook and we clean, which is fine, but honestly we don't eat much of that kind of stuff (bacon and other breakfast meats are so heavy), and we'd rather just do cereal or only eggs and toast. So it's a full-on barrage of cooking and fussing and everyone needs to eat at the same time, even though we've told them time and again to eat whenever they want and we can fend for ourselves and clean up.

Then it's "We've already lost out on the best spots on the beach and we need to get down there RIGHT NOW and plant our umbrella and stake our claim!" DH and the kids and I would be perfectly content to only go out on the beach one time a day, ideally late afternoon--in the morning, we'd rather go to a park, go shopping, go on a walk, enjoy the house, enjoy the pool at the house. But ILs want to Be At The Beach Together and it's a whole thing, so we usually trudge down there. The next battle is MIL insists on packing food to eat lunch on the beach, and packs a full cooler of food no matter how many times we tell her we're coming back to the house for lunch. (And yes, we bring our own groceries.) This is the one time we really put our foot down--too long in the midday sun isn't good for anyone, and none of us want sandy sandwiches, thanks. So we take our kids back to the house to rinse off and have lunch and have some rest time out of the hottest sun, and no matter how many times we tell her not to pack lunch for us or expect us to eat on the beach, she is dismayed at all the "wasted food" and can't believe we are "wasting the day."

Then, inevitably, MIL and FIL are coming back to the house just when we're ready to go out and enjoy the beach at our favorite time of day to do so--late afternoon, around 3 or 4 p.m. "But we won't see you!" (You know when we prefer to be out and you can join us.) "But you'll miss COCKTAIL HOUR!" (DH and I don't drink as much as you do, and COCKTAIL HOUR is not some huge ritual to us.) We shrug and go out to the beach.

On other people's nights too cook, we arrive back and are showered and ready by the time we are told dinner will be served, and we clean up. These are usually the most pleasant, drama-free nights. On our nights to provide dinner, we prefer to order dinner in, because cooking in a beach house kitchen with centuries-old pots and pans and flimsy can openers is not our idea of vacation. We lay out menus the night before and say we'll order from anywhere, just let us know your order by 5 or so the next day. Oh the extravagance--no, no, that's too expensive, blah blah blah. An hour of protest over something we do every damn year. And then by the time it comes to order, everyone usually goes for crabs and seafood, which is great--but MIL will literally be complaining about the unnecessary expense and how dreadful it is to waste money when yo could just cook as she tucks into her third crab, which is set next to her market price crabcake. Why all the commentary and drama over something we do every year, and happily pay for?

After the kids are in bed, we are expected to sit in a circle in the living room and "chat," every single night. After about two nights of this, all topics are exhausted and I'd rather just watch Netflix or go to bed early. When I choose to do this, it's "What's wrong? Where's Sally?" and the next day it's "Did we do something to offend you?" No...like every year, I chat some nights and some nights I just want to be alone. What is the big deal?

Generally speaking, we try to do our own thing and ignore all the commentary and the unreasonable expectations, but it's getting to the point where DH has said this year will probably be the last. He's already talking about doing the mountains or something next year without them. Do we just give up on the idea of family vacation? Or do we just only go the years that his sister's family does make it, so there is at least cousin time.


"we always have a good time"

followed by paragraphs and paragraphs of the not good time

I don't know how blunt you've been with them already. Yes, of course they should pick up on the cues you're giving. But have you been very direct? "Susan, we won't be getting up before 8am and the commentary about when we wake up is making the trip not fun for us." "Susan, we don't want to cook a big breakfast. That isn't the kind of food we like to eat." That would factor into my advice.


OP here. We have been very direct, but we haven't added "the commentary is making the trip not fun for us." I can see that we're at a make-or-break point this year where we really might have to spell it out for them, because the kids are starting to pick up on the commentary, and DH has pretty much had it. Thank you for your responses, all.


Please say more on "DH has pretty much had it." His parents, yet we are not getting much on his perspective. My DH is fairly straightforward with his parents, so they expect it. That said, they tend to be more flexible than your ILs.

If me, I would organize a day around them even if you do not tell them explicitly. Get up early and watch the sun rise. Have your beach stuff all ready the night before so you can get down to the beach before they do. Figure out what you can make with the substandard cookery and whip it up for dinner. Tell your kids it is going to be "G+G" day and just go gangbusters for it. Shower them with it, then roll out of bed that next morning at 8 for coffee for your "us" day.


Well, like the morning coffee thing: "Mom, you know we get up for work and school every day, so on vacation we sleep in. Same as always. We don't want to be up at sunrise." You would think someone saying this once or twice would get through to them.

And he'll say aobut the big breakfast thing: "Dad, we've told you time and again you can eat whenever you are ready, and you don't need to wait for us to get up. We'll get our own cereal and clean up, we don't need a big breakfast."

The lunch-packed thing is something I always very deliberately address even before it happens: "Nancy, please do not pack sandwiches for us--we are not going to eat on the beach. At about 11, we are going to come back in, rinse off, eat lunch and rest for a while to get a break from the sun." Again, you'd think she would listen. DH doesn't even touch that one, he's just like let her pack a million sandwiches, that's not our fault.


Honestly sounds like you are doing what you can. Just keep saying these things, do your own thing, and don’t feel bad if the sandwiches go to waste.

Maybe they have some cognitive impairment and bad judgment can go along with it.

Our extended family vacations ended naturally whe my parents health went south. Sad to say but this may naturally end yours too
Anonymous
Honestly it sounds like you're already navigating this really well. I hope you realize that!

It's hard when someone's expectations are misaligned with what you can give them - and managing to deal with that while not causing a huge fight and no losing your mind is not nothing!

This sounds like something your husband should deal with, not you, that said. And recognize that probably nothing is really going to change - I don't know a lot of people who get more flexible as they get older - but you're either going to keep going along or not.
Anonymous
You have to either:
1) do what they want
2) do what you want and stop hearing their commentary. Let it roll over your head.
3) stop going
Anonymous
I think there are two different things going on here. One is you like to do things differently than them and compromise is hard but normal. You have probably gone on trips/outing with other people that require some compromise right? Regardless of if you are paying for yourself or whatever. I would ask them what is most important to them to do *together* and try to do that thing or one of those things each day. You (your DH) can say upfront you want to do some of your favorite things on vacation but you want to spend time with them doing their favorite things so it’s going to be a balance. People like to be asked and heard. Then just do the other stuff the way you want and smile and say “looking forward to happy hour!” When you are going back to the house for lunch. And make sure you all signal your enjoyment of your time with them. My ILs desperately want to feel we are making special memories together and I understand that and try to demonstrate that we are.

But rude comments about your choices are not ok. If they call a dinner you ordered wasteful you say, I really don’t appreciate that. Or please stop criticizing this choice. My DH has had to say something like this a few times and it doesn’t go over well but frankly is something my kids need to see. People can disagree but not repeatedly criticize your decisions. It will get better if you establish that the rude comments are not ok. Your SIL has probably already done this work. For things that are in between like oh we made too much food just literally walk away with out engaging. You don’t have to be the audience for that drama. Give it a try, I think since they are able to respect SIL boundaries they will for you if you train them. If not, no more trips
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Its OK to stop going. It's hard to have a fun, multigenerational vacation together if some folks are rigid about schedules and doing things together. As everyone ages, their needs and -- for the kids, especially -- interests change and may not fit together comfortably. And that's fine.

Don't spend your budget and precious vacation time trying to manage people who impose their tone-deaf expectations on you. Doesn't sound like fun for anyone.
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Anonymous wrote:What is the cousin doing the whole time? Is he with the ILs or your family or is he just left alone? Is he close with you and your family?

Wondering if he could have some role in helping the ILs get on the clue bus that they're about one minute away from making sure you don't do this vacation anymore.


OP here. You know, this is interesting: MIL and FIL will not go after the cousin *or* my SIL and her family--they walk on eggshells around SIL, generally speaking. I'm like, how can I get them to fear me, too? LOL, I'm kind of kidding...


Are you close with the SIL? Ask her advice.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd stop going. QUALITY time is what's important for the kids with grandparents. Not time with them fussing and nagging and hand-wringing.


+1

We stopped this BS when MIL's favoritism carried over to the day trips, and my kids were the only ones left out, after schlepping all that way. Yeah, no.


Ooof. That would be a no and nevermore for us, too.
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Anonymous wrote:I think there are two different things going on here. One is you like to do things differently than them and compromise is hard but normal. You have probably gone on trips/outing with other people that require some compromise right? Regardless of if you are paying for yourself or whatever. I would ask them what is most important to them to do *together* and try to do that thing or one of those things each day. You (your DH) can say upfront you want to do some of your favorite things on vacation but you want to spend time with them doing their favorite things so it’s going to be a balance. People like to be asked and heard. Then just do the other stuff the way you want and smile and say “looking forward to happy hour!” When you are going back to the house for lunch. And make sure you all signal your enjoyment of your time with them. My ILs desperately want to feel we are making special memories together and I understand that and try to demonstrate that we are.

But rude comments about your choices are not ok. If they call a dinner you ordered wasteful you say, I really don’t appreciate that. Or please stop criticizing this choice. My DH has had to say something like this a few times and it doesn’t go over well but frankly is something my kids need to see. People can disagree but not repeatedly criticize your decisions. It will get better if you establish that the rude comments are not ok. Your SIL has probably already done this work. For things that are in between like oh we made too much food just literally walk away with out engaging. You don’t have to be the audience for that drama. Give it a try, I think since they are able to respect SIL boundaries they will for you if you train them. If not, no more trips


Me again- ha this post really brought up some memories of early in the relationship trips with my very very rigid in laws. The thing that I had to accept is that they will always feel their way is the bed way and when you do something their way, it isn’t a compromise, it’s you finally making the “right” choice. My FIL will basically say that-“see isn’t this so much better than (thing you would very much prefer to be doing)? And if say no I would rather be jet skiing or whatever they feel personally rejected. So we just say I’m really enjoying spending time with YOU. But make sure you do at least some of what you want. They will not understand, ever, but they have to respect it and they (usually) can. It takes some training.

But if you are also feeling a little rigid (maybe this is your only vacation for the year, so it’s very hard to compromise) it’s just not going to work. We do trips the way we like it and view vacation with my in-laws as something different- something half vacation and half sacrifice out of love because it means a lot to them.
Anonymous
This sounds awful. Can you go less often? Maybe once every two or three years.
And definitely try to coordinate with SIL.
Were they always this obtuse and rigid? What does DH say about it?
Anonymous
Multigenerational beach trips are hard, and I think they get even harder as kids get older and start expressing their opinions, too. I just got back from a week at the beach with DH’s family. While it’s great to have a change of scenery and I love the beach, I would much prefer going with just DH and our 2 kids - who will be going off to college soon. There’s limited time left for our own family trips.

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I think the big house and all the togetherness is adding to the problem. Can you rent your own condos fairly (?) close together and meet up for dinner and the beach? Vacation time with my DH and kids only were sacred to me. With my husbands travel schedule, we needed to re-bond during vacation time. We also allowed each of our kids to choose an outing or a beach or something that was of interest to them.
Anonymous
Yea, no I don't do trips like this. Life is too short.
Anonymous
I'm going to have to commit this post to memory and channel it often when I'm the grandparent. Your IL's vacation schedule is what we do 100%. Down to the sandy sandwiches and sitting around chatting every night. I think it drives my sister's husband crazy because he's not a beach guy and probably craves more to do. My parents and my nuclear family love it. Hopefully I have some awareness someday!
Personally I think it's perfectly fine to skip some but not all of the big things- beach, happy hour or after dinner chatting. But it sounds like you'd prefer to skip all 3 and I think you have to suck it up and do 2. Or introduce Uno or some game after dinner, but call it quits early and skip the chatting. Also, just order dinner. They'll enjoy it more to be taken out of the decision making and knowing the cost. Order too much, plate it nicely and avoid all the friction.
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Anonymous wrote:I'm going to have to commit this post to memory and channel it often when I'm the grandparent. Your IL's vacation schedule is what we do 100%. Down to the sandy sandwiches and sitting around chatting every night. I think it drives my sister's husband crazy because he's not a beach guy and probably craves more to do. My parents and my nuclear family love it. Hopefully I have some awareness someday!
Personally I think it's perfectly fine to skip some but not all of the big things- beach, happy hour or after dinner chatting. But it sounds like you'd prefer to skip all 3 and I think you have to suck it up and do 2. Or introduce Uno or some game after dinner, but call it quits early and skip the chatting. Also, just order dinner. They'll enjoy it more to be taken out of the decision making and knowing the cost. Order too much, plate it nicely and avoid all the friction.


We do the beach, every day--we go out for a bit in the morning with them even though we prefer not to go in the morning. We also go back out in the afternoon. By now, they not only know when we like to go to the beach in the afternoon, they actively choose to pack up and come inside when they know full well that's when we'll be coming out. We go to the beach twice a day, one of their preferred times and once when they choose not to. And we have breakfast with them. And we have dinner with them each and every night. We sometimes have happy hour with them but not always, as DH and I are not big drinkers like they are and we don't hold Cocktail Hour as some sacrosanct time of day. And I suck it up and chat for two nights even though I'd rather relax and then go to bed; DH usually stays up a bit every night just because he doesn't want to hear the complaining otherwise. There's plenty of us sucking it up. I don't understand where you're getting your impression that we don't do our fair share of doing things "their way."

Hopefully you will have awareness someday.

-OP
Anonymous
Can you suggest some alternatives, that still sort of align to what they want to do?

For example, my favorite time to be at the beach is 5-8. It empties out. Its not hot. The light is beautiful. How about a later dinner, and cocktail hour at the beach from 6-8 and dinner at 8:30?

Or, instead of just chatting after dinner, bring a board game? Or one of those escape room in a box? Or even something as silly as charades or Pictionary? I agree that just chatting for 2 hours gets to be a bit much after a day or two, but I understand that the in laws want to spend time together too
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