Jogger Chased and Shot

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is now video evidence of Mr. Arbery’s time inside the construction site that is under review by the GBI. A very short clip can be seen here. https://www.news4jax.com/news/georgia/2020/05/09/gbi-reviewing-additional-video-in-case-of-ahmaud-arbery/

Regardless of what Mr. Arbery was doing there, it is very clear that this is a construction site. It is not uncommon at all for people (because we are nosey) yo venture into construction sites. In fact while my home was under construction people did it all the time, my neighbor (who is a realtor) used it as an opportunity to garner clients.

What is actually especially telling is a lesser known case that happened earlier this week where a former NBA player was arrested and charged with aggravated assault when he detained and shot at (no injuries were reported) two individuals who trespassed onto his property and entered his home. That story can be found here. https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/former-laker-shannon-brown-arrested-after-allegedly-firing-rifle-at-couple-after-misunderstanding-in-his-home/

This also happened in Georgia, yet he was immediately arrested and charged when these other two men where not. It’s rare that two so strikingly similar incidents happen so close together. It’s hard not to see why people are so outraged. Black people in this country are chronically under suspicion for any and everything and more often than not, white people are given the benefit it of the doubt. This is America, this is racist, and this is just part of what needs to change.

I am a black woman and I'm a runner. Whenever I come upon a construction site of a new house, I usually stop and look inside. I'm curious. A lot of us do that. That is not criminal. I also go around cars and trucks. Also not unusual. What was he supposed to do. If you are stopped and have a shot gun, what that hell am I supposed to do? I'm going to be scared as hell. Who does that? I'm not going to stop just because you tell me to stop. I'm going to think that you are a lunatic. I don't have to show you my freedom papers. This is not 1850 Georgia.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m still not seeing anything in this video that entitled the two perps to shoot Mr. Arbery like a dog. What am I missing?

I don’t think anyone is saying the men who shot him were right.

They deserve to be convicted of murder.

But this is just not a hobbyjogger martyr lynching.

Then what is it?

It is a man who was skulking around, not our for a jog, in a place he was not supposed to be, and two (or three depending on the extent of the involvement of the videotape guy) men who either misunderstood the law or wanted to use it to initiate a confrontation, which got totally out of control. I do not believe Arbery was shot immediately on sight. He was shot upon charging Travis McMichael. That DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT. But this simply wasn’t a lynching, just as Matthew Shepard’s murder wasn’t a hate crime.

You must be exhausted from the mental gymnastics it took to come up with this crap.

Eh, I agree with previous PP. This was initially sold to us as "a black man was just working out and shot for no reason by crazy racist whites." The real story is that "crazy (possibly but not definitely racist) white men chased down a suspected intruder with guns instead of letting cops handle it." The race issue comes into play when you look at the actions of the police here, who did NOTHING about this crime. Now, maybe that's because the killers had personal connections to the police. But it's also part of a larger pattern of the lives of blacks not being valued by law enforcement.

No, sorry. Under GA's law, their "stopping" him did not fit what was legally permissible. AND they used deadly force where it was not warranted.

BTW, I'm putting aside all your BS attempts to smear the victim here. At best he's guilty of uncomfortable running attire and being nosy. And, BTW, both of those traits are on fully display in my neighborhood on the daily. And are not grounds for murdering someone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is now video evidence of Mr. Arbery’s time inside the construction site that is under review by the GBI. A very short clip can be seen here. https://www.news4jax.com/news/georgia/2020/05/09/gbi-reviewing-additional-video-in-case-of-ahmaud-arbery/

Regardless of what Mr. Arbery was doing there, it is very clear that this is a construction site. It is not uncommon at all for people (because we are nosey) yo venture into construction sites. In fact while my home was under construction people did it all the time, my neighbor (who is a realtor) used it as an opportunity to garner clients.

What is actually especially telling is a lesser known case that happened earlier this week where a former NBA player was arrested and charged with aggravated assault when he detained and shot at (no injuries were reported) two individuals who trespassed onto his property and entered his home. That story can be found here. https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/former-laker-shannon-brown-arrested-after-allegedly-firing-rifle-at-couple-after-misunderstanding-in-his-home/

This also happened in Georgia, yet he was immediately arrested and charged when these other two men where not. It’s rare that two so strikingly similar incidents happen so close together. It’s hard not to see why people are so outraged. Black people in this country are chronically under suspicion for any and everything and more often than not, white people are given the benefit it of the doubt. This is America, this is racist, and this is just part of what needs to change.

I am a black woman and I'm a runner. Whenever I come upon a construction site of a new house, I usually stop and look inside. I'm curious. A lot of us do that. That is not criminal. I also go around cars and trucks. Also not unusual. What was he supposed to do. If you are stopped and have a shot gun, what that hell am I supposed to do? I'm going to be scared as hell. Who does that? I'm not going to stop just because you tell me to stop. I'm going to think that you are a lunatic. I don't have to show you my freedom papers. This is not 1850 Georgia.

^^^Absolutely this!!!

[NP; also black jogger]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So I'm torn...and before I get flamed, and I know I will.

This WAS a stupid crime and people better go to jail for it.

that being said.

for folks of color, have we not learned over the years that when some crackers have guns pointed at you, your options are to either run away, submit and wait for police, or stand your ground.

Arbery decided to fight. GA does have a stand your ground, which gave him the legal right if he felt he was about to be killed. The down side is that he went into the gun fight with no gun of his own. The odds were not in his favor.

This new video shows Arbrey walking, not jogging, and then enterimg into the construction site, which is private property(not his). and then three minutes later running out of the house, not walking or jogging, but running like a bat out of hell.

Since this was not Aberys place of resident, one can infer that he was criminally trespassing which is a misdemeanor.

Not worthy of being killed for, but worthy of him being stopped and questioned by concerned neighbors/police. 911 was called well before the shooting.

So was Arbrey just out for a "jog" or was he casing the construction site? casue he sure wasn't jogging when he entered the property.

a 25 year old adult knows that entering property not belonging to yourself is not legal. And then when he comes running out of he building, what are the neighbors to think? has a crime been committed?

And while yes they did the proper thing to call police. we all know that this isn't star trek and police can't be magically transported to your location instantly to apprehend someone. So they chased him down hoping to scare him into stopping.

well they stopped him....

I'm not stopping for anyone with a gun if you are not the police.

[Anonymous]

What is wrong with you all? Please stop trespassing on people's construction sites. It's just not appropriate, no matter what color your skin is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I live next door to a new build that was under some form of construction for about 3-4 years. If poking your head into a residential building site was a crime punishable by street execution, half my neighborhood would be dead today.

True, but that's not what happened.

Poke into a residential building, AND try to grab the gun of a dude you find there, THEN you might indeed go dead.

I doubt very much that half of your neighborhood is as dumb, unless you are in prison.

No, what actually happened is this guy poked around a construction site which he had done before. That is why the 911 call got placed so quickly - they were watching for him. They also laid out a trap for the guy. He was running away when the armed men in the white pickup truck stopped him, threatened him with loaded guns, that is when he tried to defend himself and that is when they shot him dead...all while their good buddy videotaped it.

While I get how this guy had been a nuisance and an ongoing frustration to these men, they had absolutely no authority to chase him down and try to capture him. They certainly had no right to shoot him dead on the street. The ones who brought guns into the situation were the aggressors.

Sorry, your logic doesn't hold.

You don't "defend yourself" by tracking to grab the weapon of someone trying to keep you in place until the police arrives to clarify the nature of your REPEATED suspicious behavior.

Those men behaved like lunatics and that man acted as though his life was being threatened - which it clearly was.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is now video evidence of Mr. Arbery’s time inside the construction site that is under review by the GBI. A very short clip can be seen here. https://www.news4jax.com/news/georgia/2020/05/09/gbi-reviewing-additional-video-in-case-of-ahmaud-arbery/

Regardless of what Mr. Arbery was doing there, it is very clear that this is a construction site. It is not uncommon at all for people (because we are nosey) yo venture into construction sites. In fact while my home was under construction people did it all the time, my neighbor (who is a realtor) used it as an opportunity to garner clients.

What is actually especially telling is a lesser known case that happened earlier this week where a former NBA player was arrested and charged with aggravated assault when he detained and shot at (no injuries were reported) two individuals who trespassed onto his property and entered his home. That story can be found here. https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/former-laker-shannon-brown-arrested-after-allegedly-firing-rifle-at-couple-after-misunderstanding-in-his-home/

This also happened in Georgia, yet he was immediately arrested and charged when these other two men where not. It’s rare that two so strikingly similar incidents happen so close together. It’s hard not to see why people are so outraged. Black people in this country are chronically under suspicion for any and everything and more often than not, white people are given the benefit it of the doubt. This is America, this is racist, and this is just part of what needs to change.

I am a black woman and I'm a runner. Whenever I come upon a construction site of a new house, I usually stop and look inside. I'm curious. A lot of us do that. That is not criminal. I also go around cars and trucks. Also not unusual. What was he supposed to do. If you are stopped and have a shot gun, what that hell am I supposed to do? I'm going to be scared as hell. Who does that? I'm not going to stop just because you tell me to stop. I'm going to think that you are a lunatic. I don't have to show you my freedom papers. This is not 1850 Georgia.

Yup. People do this all the time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is wrong with you all? Please stop trespassing on people's construction sites. It's just not appropriate, no matter what color your skin is.

When my house was under construction I also stopped by models that were further along to make comparisons. It helped me to figure out what changes, if any, I wanted to request while my house was being built.

I felt perfectly fine doing it and never once thought that someone might chase me down, corner me and shoot me dead for it. Seriously, that never was on my radar at all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I live next door to a new build that was under some form of construction for about 3-4 years. If poking your head into a residential building site was a crime punishable by street execution, half my neighborhood would be dead today.

True, but that's not what happened.

Poke into a residential building, AND try to grab the gun of a dude you find there, THEN you might indeed go dead.

I doubt very much that half of your neighborhood is as dumb, unless you are in prison.

No, what actually happened is this guy poked around a construction site which he had done before. That is why the 911 call got placed so quickly - they were watching for him. They also laid out a trap for the guy. He was running away when the armed men in the white pickup truck stopped him, threatened him with loaded guns, that is when he tried to defend himself and that is when they shot him dead...all while their good buddy videotaped it.

While I get how this guy had been a nuisance and an ongoing frustration to these men, they had absolutely no authority to chase him down and try to capture him. They certainly had no right to shoot him dead on the street. The ones who brought guns into the situation were the aggressors.

Sorry, your logic doesn't hold.

You don't "defend yourself" by tracking to grab the weapon of someone trying to keep you in place until the police arrives to clarify the nature of your REPEATED suspicious behavior.

Those men behaved like lunatics and that man acted as though his life was being threatened - which it clearly was.

Exactly. Those men had no authority to arrest him. He had no obligation to stop for someone who was chasing him down the street with a gun. They initiated the encounter, they pursued him, and they were not acting in self-defense. He was right to run away from them, and if he had his own weapon he would have been justified in shooting them.

He was not committing a violent crime -- in fact, the owner of the site told the WaPo that he had never reported anything stolen. The victim was not a nuisance to the men who killed him. They didn't own the property. They were acting as vigilantes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So I'm torn...and before I get flamed, and I know I will.

This WAS a stupid crime and people better go to jail for it.

that being said.

for folks of color, have we not learned over the years that when some crackers have guns pointed at you, your options are to either run away, submit and wait for police, or stand your ground.

Arbery decided to fight. GA does have a stand your ground, which gave him the legal right if he felt he was about to be killed. The down side is that he went into the gun fight with no gun of his own. The odds were not in his favor.

This new video shows Arbrey walking, not jogging, and then enterimg into the construction site, which is private property(not his). and then three minutes later running out of the house, not walking or jogging, but running like a bat out of hell.

Since this was not Aberys place of resident, one can infer that he was criminally trespassing which is a misdemeanor.

Not worthy of being killed for, but worthy of him being stopped and questioned by concerned neighbors/police. 911 was called well before the shooting.

So was Arbrey just out for a "jog" or was he casing the construction site? casue he sure wasn't jogging when he entered the property.

a 25 year old adult knows that entering property not belonging to yourself is not legal. And then when he comes running out of he building, what are the neighbors to think? has a crime been committed?

And while yes they did the proper thing to call police. we all know that this isn't star trek and police can't be magically transported to your location instantly to apprehend someone. So they chased him down hoping to scare him into stopping.

well they stopped him....

They chased him down, cornered him AND pointed loaded guns at him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is wrong with you all? Please stop trespassing on people's construction sites. It's just not appropriate, no matter what color your skin is.

When my house was under construction I also stopped by models that were further along to make comparisons. It helped me to figure out what changes, if any, I wanted to request while my house was being built.

I felt perfectly fine doing it and never once thought that someone might chase me down, corner me and shoot me dead for it. Seriously, that never was on my radar at all.

Also, "not appropriate" doesn't mean "entitles someone to chase you down and kill you."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live next door to a new build that was under some form of construction for about 3-4 years. If poking your head into a residential building site was a crime punishable by street execution, half my neighborhood would be dead today.

True, but that's not what happened.

Poke into a residential building, AND try to grab the gun of a dude you find there, THEN you might indeed go dead.

I doubt very much that half of your neighborhood is as dumb, unless you are in prison.

No, what actually happened is this guy poked around a construction site which he had done before. That is why the 911 call got placed so quickly - they were watching for him. They also laid out a trap for the guy. He was running away when the armed men in the white pickup truck stopped him, threatened him with loaded guns, that is when he tried to defend himself and that is when they shot him dead...all while their good buddy videotaped it.

While I get how this guy had been a nuisance and an ongoing frustration to these men, they had absolutely no authority to chase him down and try to capture him. They certainly had no right to shoot him dead on the street. The ones who brought guns into the situation were the aggressors.

Sorry, your logic doesn't hold.

You don't "defend yourself" by tracking to grab the weapon of someone trying to keep you in place until the police arrives to clarify the nature of your REPEATED suspicious behavior.

Those men behaved like lunatics and that man acted as though his life was being threatened - which it clearly was.

Exactly. Those men had no authority to arrest him. He had no obligation to stop for someone who was chasing him down the street with a gun. They initiated the encounter, they pursued him, and they were not acting in self-defense. He was right to run away from them, and if he had his own weapon he would have been justified in shooting them.

He was not committing a violent crime -- in fact, the owner of the site told the WaPo that he had never reported anything stolen. The victim was not a nuisance to the men who killed him. They didn't own the property. They were acting as vigilantes.

I agree with this assessment. I can not fathom why these men took it upon themselves to do this. It wasn't even their business.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is wrong with you all? Please stop trespassing on people's construction sites. It's just not appropriate, no matter what color your skin is.

What is wrong with you all? Stop shooting young, unarmed black men who pose no threat to your life. Stop flashing your guns around trying to act tough and pretending to be cops. It's just not appropriate, no matter what color your skin is.

[Anonymous]

For the record, it’s perfectly possible to believe that the killers were at best reckless, and at worst evil, and in any event deserve a long stretch in prison, without having to buy the full package about the totally-innocent jogger or the fundamentally racist nature of America, both of which, IMO, are wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is now video evidence of Mr. Arbery’s time inside the construction site that is under review by the GBI. A very short clip can be seen here. https://www.news4jax.com/news/georgia/2020/05/09/gbi-reviewing-additional-video-in-case-of-ahmaud-arbery/

Regardless of what Mr. Arbery was doing there, it is very clear that this is a construction site. It is not uncommon at all for people (because we are nosey) yo venture into construction sites. In fact while my home was under construction people did it all the time, my neighbor (who is a realtor) used it as an opportunity to garner clients.

What is actually especially telling is a lesser known case that happened earlier this week where a former NBA player was arrested and charged with aggravated assault when he detained and shot at (no injuries were reported) two individuals who trespassed onto his property and entered his home. That story can be found here. https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/former-laker-shannon-brown-arrested-after-allegedly-firing-rifle-at-couple-after-misunderstanding-in-his-home/

This also happened in Georgia, yet he was immediately arrested and charged when these other two men where not. It’s rare that two so strikingly similar incidents happen so close together. It’s hard not to see why people are so outraged. Black people in this country are chronically under suspicion for any and everything and more often than not, white people are given the benefit it of the doubt. This is America, this is racist, and this is just part of what needs to change.

I am a black woman and I'm a runner. Whenever I come upon a construction site of a new house, I usually stop and look inside. I'm curious. A lot of us do that. That is not criminal. I also go around cars and trucks. Also not unusual. What was he supposed to do. If you are stopped and have a shot gun, what that hell am I supposed to do? I'm going to be scared as hell. Who does that? I'm not going to stop just because you tell me to stop. I'm going to think that you are a lunatic. I don't have to show you my freedom papers. This is not 1850 Georgia.

Yup. People do this all the time.

Actually that is trespassing and illegal, I know no one that does this, what if you get injured