Great article: "Democrats are in a Bubble on Immigration"

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Anonymous wrote:Here, data:
https://cis.org/Testimony/Fiscal-and-Economic-Impact-Immigration-United-States

“The National Research Council (NRC) estimated in 1996 that immigrant households (legal and illegal) create a net fiscal burden (taxes paid minus services used) on all levels of government of between $11.4 billion and $20.2 billion annually.7

A just-released study from the Heritage Foundation found that the average household headed by an illegal immigrant used nearly $14,400 more in services than it paid in taxes, for a total fiscal drain of $55 billion.”

So you could a biased source from 1996 to bolster your case.

It’s from 2013, you absolute twit. Reading truly is fundamental. And the source is no more biased than the WaPo or NYT.
-DP

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I'll bet you hate liberals more than you hate ILLEGAL immigrants.

How funny. The PPP (you?) made yet *another* hateful remark about red staters and all you can do is call out the rebuttal? I don’t “hate” liberals. I just have zero respect for you and zero intention of ever voting for one of your moronic candidates.

Your kids will hate you for the shitty world you left behind because you're too emotionally fragile to choose good policies if someone hurts your feelings.

WTF are you babbling about? No one has hurt my feelings. I’m a grownup and as such, I recognize that the US can’t be all things to all people; especially to people who would simply “like” to live here. I’d like to live in Switzerland, but amazingly, they have laws there about who can (and can’t) legally make their home there. Because I RESPECT their laws, I will remain in my country. And my kids will thank me for the world I’m leaving behind - a world in which laws actually mean something. Not so sure about your kids, who will be inheriting a third world country, if you get your way.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is the data from pew, pure data people without agenda, from this month with facts about illegal immigration. It is actually at a low point compared to a peak in bush years.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/12/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/

We're not providing fewer services to those who come here. Since the Bush years, more services are expected and even demanded re education, second language instruction, special education, post high school education support. housing support, medical care, and food.

In many cases the kids are American citizens. Do you want to discriminate against American citizens just because they are brown and their parents maybe undocumented? We have been giving ESOL and special education to Italians, Irish and others who immigrated in big numbers in the past too. Why is this any different ? It is not even a drop in the massive US budgets.

The link below is a book that explains the same issues faced by Italians and at that time there was so much hate crime against Italians because they weren’t considered white, at the time. History repeats itself, this time against Hispanics.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.5406/j.ctt1xcn6g

PP here. You're preaching to the choir, as they say. I've worked with kids from all walks of life for years. I care deeply about all of these kids, regardless of who they are; but it is expensive. There needs to be more control over the number of immigrants arriving and staying here. We already have impoverished, struggling children whose parents are American citizens; and we aren't doing enough for THEM.

+ 1,000,000

x infinity

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Anonymous wrote:Here is the data from pew, pure data people without agenda, from this month with facts about illegal immigration. It is actually at a low point compared to a peak in bush years.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/12/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/

We're not providing fewer services to those who come here. Since the Bush years, more services are expected and even demanded re education, second language instruction, special education, post high school education support. housing support, medical care, and food.

In many cases the kids are American citizens. Do you want to discriminate against American citizens just because they are brown and their parents maybe undocumented? We have been giving ESOL and special education to Italians, Irish and others who immigrated in big numbers in the past too. Why is this any different ? It is not even a drop in the massive US budgets.

The link below is a book that explains the same issues faced by Italians and at that time there was so much hate crime against Italians because they weren’t considered white, at the time. History repeats itself, this time against Hispanics.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.5406/j.ctt1xcn6g

PP here. You're preaching to the choir, as they say. I've worked with kids from all walks of life for years. I care deeply about all of these kids, regardless of who they are; but it is expensive. There needs to be more control over the number of immigrants arriving and staying here. We already have impoverished, struggling children whose parents are American citizens; and we aren't doing enough for THEM.

We are doing enough for all kids in blue states, just not in red states. The red states are perennially moochers because they give tax cuts to the rich and have no money for its middle class citizens. We are the richest country and we do have the resources. But we just give too much away for the rich and that’s the issue we need to fix. I am all for Warren or kamala to come and tax the heck out of Trumps and other millionaires.

We are NOT doing enough for all kids in blue states. You appear to have an axe to grind with your comments.

I don’t have no axe to grind at all. I am just tired of the lies of the conman and the hypocrisy while he recruits illegals and doubles the h2B visa to hire waitresses. Why doesn’t he have e-verify in all his properties ? Why can’t he find American waitresses? Why hasn’t he not supported a single bill to mandate e-verify and punish the businesses that hire illegals ?

Unlike the “poorly educated” I am not stupid to fall for his smoke and mirror con. I am all for mandatory e-verify if the fraud ever brings a bill to punish businesses for hiring illegals. Guess what? That bill is never coming.

Honey, you are the poster child for the “poorly educated.”

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Anonymous wrote:Here, data:
https://cis.org/Testimony/Fiscal-and-Economic-Impact-Immigration-United-States

“The National Research Council (NRC) estimated in 1996 that immigrant households (legal and illegal) create a net fiscal burden (taxes paid minus services used) on all levels of government of between $11.4 billion and $20.2 billion annually.7

A just-released study from the Heritage Foundation found that the average household headed by an illegal immigrant used nearly $14,400 more in services than it paid in taxes, for a total fiscal drain of $55 billion.”

So you could a biased source from 1996 to bolster your case.

It’s from 2013, you absolute twit. Reading truly is fundamental. And the source is no more biased than the WaPo or NYT.
-DP

CBS on LA County 2013 https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/09/16/undocumented-la-county-parents-projected-to-receive-650m-in-welfare-benefits/

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We have been giving ESOL and special education to Italians, Irish and others who immigrated in big numbers in the past too.

I'm just responding to this - as a first-gen and an educator.

My family learned English ("off the boat" Italians) in night school and on their own. It was "sink or swim" through the 1960s. However, event though we formalized the process, my family didn't have the opportunity NOT to learn b/c nothing was translated for them. So they arrived poor, worked their ass*es off, and learned the language.

So you are a brown person yourself. How can you now judge the Hispanic brown people? If at all anything Italian is the closest language to Spanish.

I think any immigrants are hardworking whether they are brown immigrants from Italy or Mx, Or white immigrants from Sweden, Or black immigrants from Jamaica.

Italians are not considered brown, and not all of us have olive complexions.

I am not judging; I am stating facts. My family didn't have it easy coming over. Once they arrived, they did everything they could to retain their culture w/in the home (and among their family and friends), but outside of the home, they were proud Americans.

You see - there came a point when building resilience and resourcefulness in people was replaced by enabling. I see it in the school system. We have created a Me Me nation where many are expecting handouts. You don't build people up by giving them everything.

Enter through legal avenues.
Learn English.
Work your a** off.
Be a role model for your kids.

Not all people are the same. I have had many students - majority Hispanic and African - who agree with me. When you enter a new country, you bend for the country, as it's providing you opportunities you supposedly didn't have in your country of birth, right? b/c if life was so good back home, why leave?

My family escaped poverty. My father barely had a home; it was crumbling. Christmas gits consisted of winter fruits. When he was alive, he had fond memories of Italy despite the obstacles that faced him, but he was proud of his accomplishments in the U. S. (Mom was luckier in that she was a "middle class" Italian, but the family knew that they could move ahead in the States.)

So the neo-libs can preach it all they want! You don't speak for all of us. And that assumption that we're all the same will be a negative force in 2020.

Well said! I agree entirely.

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Do you even have a college degree? if you have, you better get a refund. Gang wars have been happening throughout human history. White supremacy gangs, Italian mafia, Russian gangs, black gangs, Hispanic hangs etc etc.

America is a country of 330 milllion, what happens in small school is not representative of the country. That’s why data makes sense, not anecdotes. Data suggests what you are describing is an exception and not the rule. You have no credibility because you are trying hard to extrapolate and exception case into a everyday rule case. It’s not gonna work, fortunately there are enough educated Americans.

Actually it did already work when Trump was elected, you know. You are still blind to the anger people feel when someone "educated" tells them their individual situation is irrelevant, the pain they feel is irrelevant, their personal struggles are irrelevant because "big global trends" show something different.

Snowflake.

Where did you learn that? What a brilliant response.

She grifted off the Republicans. Liberals can’t come up with their own verbiage.

F*ck your feelings.

You liberals have such a way with words! So klassy and articulate.
-DP

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So toward the end of Bush's presidency, the US had about 300m people. Now it's about 327m.

So as the US continues to grow, at what point do we say enough?

The U.S. has about 87 people per square mile. The UK has 710 per square mile. I think we have a ways to go.

You Americans wouldn’t know how to live like that.

And why should we? Also, you’re clearly not an American, so why are you weighing in on what the US should do?

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That's not what I see everyday in my Montgomery County neighborhood. So, I'm going to go with what I see with my own eyes, versus data that can be manipulated and falsified (by both parties).

My kids go to school will many families who are here illegally. The kids receive a free education from MCPS. Plus, free backpacks and free breakfasts and lunch. MCPS also pays for translators in person, plus translations services for all the newsletters - grade level and schoolwide. Plus a translator at PTA meetings (which still doesn't mean much turnout from the parents). The kids receive free field trips, plus low ratio ESOL instruction for years.

The kids also receive free health insurance through the state. Free dental care and free eye care. Free meals in the summer.
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Where does the money for all these programs come from? Mostly taxpayers. Some privately funded through non-profits.

Yes, their parents pay sales taxes, but that's about it. Some of the parents are housekeepers who work for cash only. Some are laborers who also work for cash only. Some do pay taxes as part of their rent, but we're in Twinbrook where many of them rent from illegal renters in SFHs, again paying cash only.

They are smart and keep their reported income very low, dealing in cash as much as possible. It's a fantastic set up, and I can absolutely understand why people continue to rush into Montgomery County illegally from all over the world. Who wouldn't want that? But, the funds are limited, IMO. And, this is NOT a sustainable model.

Oh good, anecdata. The immigrants are also doing work that makes a lot of money for their employers who then pay taxes.

one anecdote that's true for many others in many other schools

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Certainly applies to many schools in Fairfax County as well. To pretend otherwise is embarrassingly stupid.

You rich liberals in your gated community

Come visit title one schools in fairfax. Sterling middle school is overwhelmed with problems from Democrat immigration laws. It is chaos, kids in broken families with no money and no guardians, not enough resources. But no Langley or Mclean parents care, these kids never show up at their schools

All immigrants wanting asylum should be sent to great falls until adjudication.

Um, I’m a Great Falls and Langley parent who is completely against illegal immigration and who voted for Trump. Plenty of others just like me in this area. Great Falls is a heavily conservative area. I’m also the PP, so not sure what you’re talking about.

And Virginia went blue anyway.

And your point is...? Yes, HRC won Virginia, but barely.

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Do you even have a college degree? if you have, you better get a refund. Gang wars have been happening throughout human history. White supremacy gangs, Italian mafia, Russian gangs, black gangs, Hispanic hangs etc etc.

America is a country of 330 milllion, what happens in small school is not representative of the country. That’s why data makes sense, not anecdotes. Data suggests what you are describing is an exception and not the rule. You have no credibility because you are trying hard to extrapolate and exception case into a everyday rule case. It’s not gonna work, fortunately there are enough educated Americans.

Actually it did already work when Trump was elected, you know. You are still blind to the anger people feel when someone "educated" tells them their individual situation is irrelevant, the pain they feel is irrelevant, their personal struggles are irrelevant because "big global trends" show something different.

+1 million

I don't care what your 'data' says. When my standard of living is being lowered due to illegal immigration, it becomes an issue for me. And, many like me. Educated and not.

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Do you even have a college degree? if you have, you better get a refund. Gang wars have been happening throughout human history. White supremacy gangs, Italian mafia, Russian gangs, black gangs, Hispanic hangs etc etc.

America is a country of 330 milllion, what happens in small school is not representative of the country. That’s why data makes sense, not anecdotes. Data suggests what you are describing is an exception and not the rule. You have no credibility because you are trying hard to extrapolate and exception case into a everyday rule case. It’s not gonna work, fortunately there are enough educated Americans.

Actually it did already work when Trump was elected, you know. You are still blind to the anger people feel when someone "educated" tells them their individual situation is irrelevant, the pain they feel is irrelevant, their personal struggles are irrelevant because "big global trends" show something different.

+1 million

I don't care what your 'data' says. When my standard of living is being lowered due to illegal immigration, it becomes an issue for me. And, many like me. Educated and not.

+2,000,000

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“what happens in small school is not representative of the country. That’s why data makes sense, not anecdotes. Data suggests what you are describing is an exception and not the rule. You have no credibility because you are trying hard to extrapolate and exception case into a everyday rule case.”

The people who keep insisting black is white when people can see with their own eyes that it is not are infuriating.

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Anonymous wrote:“what happens in small school is not representative of the country. That’s why data makes sense, not anecdotes. Data suggests what you are describing is an exception and not the rule. You have no credibility because you are trying hard to extrapolate and exception case into a everyday rule case.”

The people who keep insisting black is white when people can see with their own eyes that it is not are infuriating.

This!

Infuriating. And calling people stupid and uneducated is not a good look.

As if simply by not having a PhD, someone’s opinion is less valid? Okay. I’ll my plumber know you feel that way the next time you need his help.

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Do you even have a college degree? if you have, you better get a refund. Gang wars have been happening throughout human history. White supremacy gangs, Italian mafia, Russian gangs, black gangs, Hispanic hangs etc etc.

America is a country of 330 milllion, what happens in small school is not representative of the country. That’s why data makes sense, not anecdotes. Data suggests what you are describing is an exception and not the rule. You have no credibility because you are trying hard to extrapolate and exception case into a everyday rule case. It’s not gonna work, fortunately there are enough educated Americans.

Actually it did already work when Trump was elected, you know. You are still blind to the anger people feel when someone "educated" tells them their individual situation is irrelevant, the pain they feel is irrelevant, their personal struggles are irrelevant because "big global trends" show something different.

+1 million

I don't care what your 'data' says. When my standard of living is being lowered due to illegal immigration, it becomes an issue for me. And, many like me. Educated and not.

+2,000,000

Yes yes yes.

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Anonymous wrote:I think immigrants -- especially those with the gumption to endure hardship and take risks -- are likely to contribute more to the economy than they take out. Not like the opioid addicted red staters who take more than they produce.

Do you mean legal immigrants or illegal immigrants?

Because following your logic, I’ll say that illegal immigrants - especially those with the balls to break immigration laws - are more likely to continue to do other illegal things. Because once you break the law and get away with it, it’s easier to continue to break laws.

That's complete bullshit. I break the speed limit daily as do any of number of people I do. And, yet, despite being ILLEGAL drivers, most of us contribute a great deal to society. Don't be an idiot.

Wait... just to recap... you’re actually equating driving a few miles over the speed limit to people *illegally entering and living in the US*? Wow. Just when I thought I had heard all possible liberal excuses.

What, you think not having your paperwork in order is like murder or something? If anything, speeding is slightly more dangerous.