Great article: "Democrats are in a Bubble on Immigration"

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Do you even have a college degree? if you have, you better get a refund. Gang wars have been happening throughout human history. White supremacy gangs, Italian mafia, Russian gangs, black gangs, Hispanic hangs etc etc.

America is a country of 330 milllion, what happens in small school is not representative of the country. That’s why data makes sense, not anecdotes. Data suggests what you are describing is an exception and not the rule. You have no credibility because you are trying hard to extrapolate and exception case into a everyday rule case. It’s not gonna work, fortunately there are enough educated Americans.

Actually it did already work when Trump was elected, you know. You are still blind to the anger people feel when someone "educated" tells them their individual situation is irrelevant, the pain they feel is irrelevant, their personal struggles are irrelevant because "big global trends" show something different.

Snowflake.

Where did you learn that? What a brilliant response.

She grifted off the Republicans. Liberals can’t come up with their own verbiage.

F*ck your feelings.

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Do you even have a college degree? if you have, you better get a refund. Gang wars have been happening throughout human history. White supremacy gangs, Italian mafia, Russian gangs, black gangs, Hispanic hangs etc etc.

America is a country of 330 milllion, what happens in small school is not representative of the country. That’s why data makes sense, not anecdotes. Data suggests what you are describing is an exception and not the rule. You have no credibility because you are trying hard to extrapolate and exception case into a everyday rule case. It’s not gonna work, fortunately there are enough educated Americans.

Actually it did already work when Trump was elected, you know. You are still blind to the anger people feel when someone "educated" tells them their individual situation is irrelevant, the pain they feel is irrelevant, their personal struggles are irrelevant because "big global trends" show something different.

Snowflake.

Where did you learn that? What a brilliant response.

She grifted off the Republicans. Liberals can’t come up with their own verbiage.

F*ck your feelings.

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So toward the end of Bush's presidency, the US had about 300m people. Now it's about 327m.

So as the US continues to grow, at what point do we say enough?

The U.S. has about 87 people per square mile. The UK has 710 per square mile. I think we have a ways to go.

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We have been giving ESOL and special education to Italians, Irish and others who immigrated in big numbers in the past too.

I'm just responding to this - as a first-gen and an educator.

My family learned English ("off the boat" Italians) in night school and on their own. It was "sink or swim" through the 1960s. However, event though we formalized the process, my family didn't have the opportunity NOT to learn b/c nothing was translated for them. So they arrived poor, worked their ass*es off, and learned the language.

So you are a brown person yourself. How can you now judge the Hispanic brown people? If at all anything Italian is the closest language to Spanish.

I think any immigrants are hardworking whether they are brown immigrants from Italy or Mx, Or white immigrants from Sweden, Or black immigrants from Jamaica.

Italians are not considered brown, and not all of us have olive complexions.

I am not judging; I am stating facts. My family didn't have it easy coming over. Once they arrived, they did everything they could to retain their culture w/in the home (and among their family and friends), but outside of the home, they were proud Americans.

You see - there came a point when building resilience and resourcefulness in people was replaced by enabling. I see it in the school system. We have created a Me Me nation where many are expecting handouts. You don't build people up by giving them everything.

Enter through legal avenues.
Learn English.
Work your a** off.
Be a role model for your kids.

Not all people are the same. I have had many students - majority Hispanic and African - who agree with me. When you enter a new country, you bend for the country, as it's providing you opportunities you supposedly didn't have in your country of birth, right? b/c if life was so good back home, why leave?

My family escaped poverty. My father barely had a home; it was crumbling. Christmas gits consisted of winter fruits. When he was alive, he had fond memories of Italy despite the obstacles that faced him, but he was proud of his accomplishments in the U. S. (Mom was luckier in that she was a "middle class" Italian, but the family knew that they could move ahead in the States.)

So the neo-libs can preach it all they want! You don't speak for all of us. And that assumption that we're all the same will be a negative force in 2020.

How were your parents able to immigrate?

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NP. I am in California. Middle class parents avoid sending their kids to our neighborhood school because 65% of students are poor, Hispanic, and ESOL (these are 3 different official numbers but they coincide so the picture is pretty clear). There is another school in town that is like 80% on the same indicators. Some classes don’t have a single non Hispanic kid.
I don’t care about statistics, all I see is expensive SFHs yet an undesirable public school.
And yes kids there get a ton of freebies, I know that first hand.

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Anonymous wrote:

So toward the end of Bush's presidency, the US had about 300m people. Now it's about 327m.

So as the US continues to grow, at what point do we say enough?

The U.S. has about 87 people per square mile. The UK has 710 per square mile. I think we have a ways to go.

You Americans wouldn’t know how to live like that.

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We have been giving ESOL and special education to Italians, Irish and others who immigrated in big numbers in the past too.

I'm just responding to this - as a first-gen and an educator.

My family learned English ("off the boat" Italians) in night school and on their own. It was "sink or swim" through the 1960s. However, event though we formalized the process, my family didn't have the opportunity NOT to learn b/c nothing was translated for them. So they arrived poor, worked their ass*es off, and learned the language.

Same here.

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We have been giving ESOL and special education to Italians, Irish and others who immigrated in big numbers in the past too.

I'm just responding to this - as a first-gen and an educator.

My family learned English ("off the boat" Italians) in night school and on their own. It was "sink or swim" through the 1960s. However, event though we formalized the process, my family didn't have the opportunity NOT to learn b/c nothing was translated for them. So they arrived poor, worked their ass*es off, and learned the language.

So you are a brown person yourself. How can you now judge the Hispanic brown people? If at all anything Italian is the closest language to Spanish.

I think any immigrants are hardworking whether they are brown immigrants from Italy or Mx, Or white immigrants from Sweden, Or black immigrants from Jamaica.

Italians are not considered brown, and not all of us have olive complexions.

I am not judging; I am stating facts. My family didn't have it easy coming over. Once they arrived, they did everything they could to retain their culture w/in the home (and among their family and friends), but outside of the home, they were proud Americans.

You see - there came a point when building resilience and resourcefulness in people was replaced by enabling. I see it in the school system. We have created a Me Me nation where many are expecting handouts. You don't build people up by giving them everything.

Enter through legal avenues.
Learn English.
Work your a** off.
Be a role model for your kids.

Not all people are the same. I have had many students - majority Hispanic and African - who agree with me. When you enter a new country, you bend for the country, as it's providing you opportunities you supposedly didn't have in your country of birth, right? b/c if life was so good back home, why leave?

My family escaped poverty. My father barely had a home; it was crumbling. Christmas gits consisted of winter fruits. When he was alive, he had fond memories of Italy despite the obstacles that faced him, but he was proud of his accomplishments in the U. S. (Mom was luckier in that she was a "middle class" Italian, but the family knew that they could move ahead in the States.)

So the neo-libs can preach it all they want! You don't speak for all of us. And that assumption that we're all the same will be a negative force in 2020.

How were your parents able to immigrate?

Dad and my grandfather worked. They saved money, hopped on a boat & came through Ellis Island. They rented an apartment in PG County and worked as stonemasons. When they saved up enough money, they brought the others over - grandmother, aunts & uncle. My father & uncle served in WWII.

Eventually, their business grew and they parted ways, each opening up his own business.

Where there's a will, there's a way.

They helped each other and bc they were honest & talented, their businesses grew.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So toward the end of Bush's presidency, the US had about 300m people. Now it's about 327m.

So as the US continues to grow, at what point do we say enough?

The U.S. has about 87 people per square mile. The UK has 710 per square mile. I think we have a ways to go.

So that's your answer?

Let's just pack the country like sardines.

I see how the school system failed to educate another American. Sad

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Anonymous wrote:

We have been giving ESOL and special education to Italians, Irish and others who immigrated in big numbers in the past too.

I'm just responding to this - as a first-gen and an educator.

My family learned English ("off the boat" Italians) in night school and on their own. It was "sink or swim" through the 1960s. However, event though we formalized the process, my family didn't have the opportunity NOT to learn b/c nothing was translated for them. So they arrived poor, worked their ass*es off, and learned the language.

So you are a brown person yourself. How can you now judge the Hispanic brown people? If at all anything Italian is the closest language to Spanish.

I think any immigrants are hardworking whether they are brown immigrants from Italy or Mx, Or white immigrants from Sweden, Or black immigrants from Jamaica.

Italians are not considered brown, and not all of us have olive complexions.

I am not judging; I am stating facts. My family didn't have it easy coming over. Once they arrived, they did everything they could to retain their culture w/in the home (and among their family and friends), but outside of the home, they were proud Americans.

You see - there came a point when building resilience and resourcefulness in people was replaced by enabling. I see it in the school system. We have created a Me Me nation where many are expecting handouts. You don't build people up by giving them everything.

Enter through legal avenues.
Learn English.
Work your a** off.
Be a role model for your kids.

Not all people are the same. I have had many students - majority Hispanic and African - who agree with me. When you enter a new country, you bend for the country, as it's providing you opportunities you supposedly didn't have in your country of birth, right? b/c if life was so good back home, why leave?

My family escaped poverty. My father barely had a home; it was crumbling. Christmas gits consisted of winter fruits. When he was alive, he had fond memories of Italy despite the obstacles that faced him, but he was proud of his accomplishments in the U. S. (Mom was luckier in that she was a "middle class" Italian, but the family knew that they could move ahead in the States.)

So the neo-libs can preach it all they want! You don't speak for all of us. And that assumption that we're all the same will be a negative force in 2020.

How were your parents able to immigrate?

Dad and my grandfather worked. They saved money, hopped on a boat & came through Ellis Island. They rented an apartment in PG County and worked as stonemasons. When they saved up enough money, they brought the others over - grandmother, aunts & uncle. My father & uncle served in WWII.

Eventually, their business grew and they parted ways, each opening up his own business.

Where there's a will, there's a way.

They helped each other and bc they were honest & talented, their businesses grew.

Immigration doesn’t work that way anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:I think immigrants -- especially those with the gumption to endure hardship and take risks -- are likely to contribute more to the economy than they take out. Not like the opioid addicted red staters who take more than they produce.

Do you mean legal immigrants or illegal immigrants?

Because following your logic, I’ll say that illegal immigrants - especially those with the balls to break immigration laws - are more likely to continue to do other illegal things. Because once you break the law and get away with it, it’s easier to continue to break laws.

That's complete bullshit. I break the speed limit daily as do any of number of people I do. And, yet, despite being ILLEGAL drivers, most of us contribute a great deal to society. Don't be an idiot.

Wait... just to recap... you’re actually equating driving a few miles over the speed limit to people *illegally entering and living in the US*? Wow. Just when I thought I had heard all possible liberal excuses.

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I don’t believe either to be true but the PP made a ridiculous comment that illegal immigrants all contribute more to the economy than they take out. That’s is BS.

Just waving your hands and calling the comment "ridiculous" and "BS" doesn't make it true.

Immigrants, legal and illegal, are more likely to pay taxes than they are to use public services. Illegal immigrants are not eligible for most public services and live in fear of revealing themselves to government authorities. Households headed by illegal immigrants use less than half the amount of federal services that households headed by documented immigrants or citizens make use of. Illegal immigrants contribute more to public coffers in taxes than they cost in social services and contribute to the U.S. economy through their investments and consumption of goods and services; increased productivity and lower costs of goods and services; and contributions to Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance programs that they never make a claim against.

This. The above link to PBS has through detailed analysis but the cult 45 members won’t even bother to read and educate themselves. They would rather just believe the Australian channel propaganda and lies of the twitter troll precedent. Shame on them and they are dragging down America by supporting a Russian puppet who defended Putin again and said Russia didn’t interfere in our elections.

Why do you constantly repeat yourself?

Because the cult 45 traitors need some hammering to get the message that they are stupid to support a liar and Russian puppet who is enacting a broad reality tv presidency without any substance.

You are frightening and your limited vocabulary speaks volumes about your lack of intelligence.

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That's not what I see everyday in my Montgomery County neighborhood. So, I'm going to go with what I see with my own eyes, versus data that can be manipulated and falsified (by both parties).

My kids go to school will many families who are here illegally. The kids receive a free education from MCPS. Plus, free backpacks and free breakfasts and lunch. MCPS also pays for translators in person, plus translations services for all the newsletters - grade level and schoolwide. Plus a translator at PTA meetings (which still doesn't mean much turnout from the parents). The kids receive free field trips, plus low ratio ESOL instruction for years.

The kids also receive free health insurance through the state. Free dental care and free eye care. Free meals in the summer.

Where does the money for all these programs come from? Mostly taxpayers. Some privately funded through non-profits.

Yes, their parents pay sales taxes, but that's about it. Some of the parents are housekeepers who work for cash only. Some are laborers who also work for cash only. Some do pay taxes as part of their rent, but we're in Twinbrook where many of them rent from illegal renters in SFHs, again paying cash only.

They are smart and keep their reported income very low, dealing in cash as much as possible. It's a fantastic set up, and I can absolutely understand why people continue to rush into Montgomery County illegally from all over the world. Who wouldn't want that? But, the funds are limited, IMO. And, this is NOT a sustainable model.

Oh good, anecdata. The immigrants are also doing work that makes a lot of money for their employers who then pay taxes.

one anecdote that's true for many others in many other schools

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Certainly applies to many schools in Fairfax County as well. To pretend otherwise is embarrassingly stupid.

You rich liberals in your gated community

Come visit title one schools in fairfax. Sterling middle school is overwhelmed with problems from Democrat immigration laws. It is chaos, kids in broken families with no money and no guardians, not enough resources. But no Langley or Mclean parents care, these kids never show up at their schools

All immigrants wanting asylum should be sent to great falls until adjudication.

Um, I’m a Great Falls and Langley parent who is completely against illegal immigration and who voted for Trump. Plenty of others just like me in this area. Great Falls is a heavily conservative area. I’m also the PP, so not sure what you’re talking about.

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That's not what I see everyday in my Montgomery County neighborhood. So, I'm going to go with what I see with my own eyes, versus data that can be manipulated and falsified (by both parties).

My kids go to school will many families who are here illegally. The kids receive a free education from MCPS. Plus, free backpacks and free breakfasts and lunch. MCPS also pays for translators in person, plus translations services for all the newsletters - grade level and schoolwide. Plus a translator at PTA meetings (which still doesn't mean much turnout from the parents). The kids receive free field trips, plus low ratio ESOL instruction for years.

The kids also receive free health insurance through the state. Free dental care and free eye care. Free meals in the summer.

Where does the money for all these programs come from? Mostly taxpayers. Some privately funded through non-profits.

Yes, their parents pay sales taxes, but that's about it. Some of the parents are housekeepers who work for cash only. Some are laborers who also work for cash only. Some do pay taxes as part of their rent, but we're in Twinbrook where many of them rent from illegal renters in SFHs, again paying cash only.

They are smart and keep their reported income very low, dealing in cash as much as possible. It's a fantastic set up, and I can absolutely understand why people continue to rush into Montgomery County illegally from all over the world. Who wouldn't want that? But, the funds are limited, IMO. And, this is NOT a sustainable model.

Oh good, anecdata. The immigrants are also doing work that makes a lot of money for their employers who then pay taxes.

one anecdote that's true for many others in many other schools

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Certainly applies to many schools in Fairfax County as well. To pretend otherwise is embarrassingly stupid.

You rich liberals in your gated community

Come visit title one schools in fairfax. Sterling middle school is overwhelmed with problems from Democrat immigration laws. It is chaos, kids in broken families with no money and no guardians, not enough resources. But no Langley or Mclean parents care, these kids never show up at their schools

All immigrants wanting asylum should be sent to great falls until adjudication.

Um, I’m a Great Falls and Langley parent who is completely against illegal immigration and who voted for Trump. Plenty of others just like me in this area. Great Falls is a heavily conservative area. I’m also the PP, so not sure what you’re talking about.

And Virginia went blue anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:So you are saying, if we use E-verify, our problems would just go away as that is the issue? Bullish-t.

Undocumented immigrants aren’t going to come if they have no way to earn money to survive. If employers actually used E-Verify (because there was a risk of real penalties if they didn’t), it would be much harder for undocumented immigrants to find employment, and the inability to earn money both for themselves and to send back home would significantly discourage migration.

Are you really this naïve? Of course they're going to come, regardless of E-verify. I agree that employers need to use it, but there are plenty of cash-only employees who will hire anybody and illegal immigrants know this. Everyone (except you, apparently?) knows this.

You can’t do cash only for steady long term jobs. Period. Even then the employers are doing an illegal act by doing so. Raid them a few times and they will change. It is much better and smarter to monitor few thousand employers than to monitor millions of illegals. And it is easier to punish the employers for hiring illegals because they are Americans and they better care about america as much as other Americans. Or else they could go to jail. It’s the only way TRumps could be made to follow e-verify.

Of course you can. And these immigrants know it. I'm not sure how you can't comprehend this.

This.

Come to Montgomery County. There is a whole, flourishing 'cash only' economy. A whole population of people who get paid in cash, pay cash for rent. landlords who collect cash payments and don't pay taxes on it, people who pay cash for healthcare and people who sell things for cash in order to not report the income.

It's beneficial to not have a high reportable/traceable income because then you qualify for lower income services.

It is absolutely possible to thrive in a cash only economy in MoCo.

Another person who has no clue about the scale of America. We are over 330 million people. The cash economy you are saying is likely used by a few million in the entire country, won’t even be .1% of American GDP. Get some financial education and understand basic economics. The brown person chicken lil.

Wow, your naïveté (stupidity?) is astounding.

Yeah, attacking the messenger without having the competency or intelligence to make your case is the crown of stupidity. Do you know what adhominem attack means?

Sure do. And I also know it’s two words, not one. Look, you’ve been monopolizing every thread with your insults directed toward Trump voters and you have the nerve to complain when we give it right back to you? Grow up.

You trumpsters are too thick to give back anything that makes any sense. You never could Make a case why the conman hasn’t made e-verify mandatory and why he hires illegals. You guys are just hypocrite, liars. Just face that you guys don’t like “others” and that’s why love the harassment without any solution.

I have no idea why you responded to this post twice... both times with gibberish nonsense. If anyone sounds like a cult member, it’s you.