Liberal policing and policies in San Francisco

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Anonymous wrote:Amazing how much hate the right has for SF when it has one of the lowest murder rates amongst big cities in America. Here is the list for most dangerous cities in 2019 and SF does not appear in the top 65:

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/murder-map-deadliest-u-s-cities/66/

But Trumpers are conditioned to hate SF. Despite the average citizen being much safer in SF than in Peoria, Shreveport, or Tuscaloosa, Cleveland,Milwaukee, etc.

Interesting that you quoted numbers from 2019. It is now 2021 and those numbers have increased considerably.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/28/san-francisco-bay-area-gun-violence-murders-2020

https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Homicides-are-up-36-in-Bay-Area-s-biggest-16315439.php

2019 is the last year with completed FBI data. Violent crime is on the rise everywhere. Smaller cities like Peoria, Tuscaloosa, Birmingham, and Dayton are waaaaay more dangerous than SF. But republicans don’t care. They just care about bashing SF because it fits some weird political narrative.

Um didn’t you just disprove your own narrative saying it’s gotten worse nationwide? Crime is going up? Why? Are you going to blame it all on Covid woes or are there aaaaany other reasons it might have gotten worse in the last few years? Any ideas?

My point was not that crime is not a problem. As you mentioned, I stated crime rates are going up everywhere. My point is that I don't understand why republicans always care so much about San Francisco's issues compared to everywhere else. It is weird. I think the rising crime rates are multi-factorial, and that public antipathy for the police among a segment of the left is a factor. I don't think a particular District Attorney's political leanings are an important factor for violent crime rates. For example, Joe Deters, the head prosecutor in Hamilton County, OH, which includes Cincinnati, is a pretty run-of-the-mill prosecutor. Murder rates are high in Cinci to a much greater extent than SF. The same could be said for Louisville or Dayton, or many other cities. Rising crime is only mentioned by republicans where it fits a political narrative, which is disingenuous.

We have seen - far too many times - that what happens in California eventually rears its ugly head in other parts of the country. We have seen a wave of progressive prosecutors installed in formerly moderate areas of the country (Fairfax County, for instance).
The goal is to oust these progressive prosecutors that have been bought and paid for by Soros. Get. them. all, out.

It goes way back, it's San Francisco's LGBT friendliness, and even earlier as an outpost for hippie counterculture types in Haight-Ashbury. The right views San Francisco as some kind of evil Sodom and Gomorrah.

That is the biggest crock of crap.

I am a very conservative person. I have been to SF many times.... it is a beautiful city. My sibling (also conservative) lived there for over 30 years. I have other family there too.
Nearly all of them have moved within the past 5 years. They cannot tolerate the changes to the city.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazing how much hate the right has for SF when it has one of the lowest murder rates amongst big cities in America. Here is the list for most dangerous cities in 2019 and SF does not appear in the top 65:

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/murder-map-deadliest-u-s-cities/66/

But Trumpers are conditioned to hate SF. Despite the average citizen being much safer in SF than in Peoria, Shreveport, or Tuscaloosa, Cleveland,Milwaukee, etc.

Interesting that you quoted numbers from 2019. It is now 2021 and those numbers have increased considerably.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/28/san-francisco-bay-area-gun-violence-murders-2020

https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Homicides-are-up-36-in-Bay-Area-s-biggest-16315439.php

2019 is the last year with completed FBI data. Violent crime is on the rise everywhere. Smaller cities like Peoria, Tuscaloosa, Birmingham, and Dayton are waaaaay more dangerous than SF. But republicans don’t care. They just care about bashing SF because it fits some weird political narrative.

Um didn’t you just disprove your own narrative saying it’s gotten worse nationwide? Crime is going up? Why? Are you going to blame it all on Covid woes or are there aaaaany other reasons it might have gotten worse in the last few years? Any ideas?

My point was not that crime is not a problem. As you mentioned, I stated crime rates are going up everywhere. My point is that I don't understand why republicans always care so much about San Francisco's issues compared to everywhere else. It is weird. I think the rising crime rates are multi-factorial, and that public antipathy for the police among a segment of the left is a factor. I don't think a particular District Attorney's political leanings are an important factor for violent crime rates. For example, Joe Deters, the head prosecutor in Hamilton County, OH, which includes Cincinnati, is a pretty run-of-the-mill prosecutor. Murder rates are high in Cinci to a much greater extent than SF. The same could be said for Louisville or Dayton, or many other cities. Rising crime is only mentioned by republicans where it fits a political narrative, which is disingenuous.

Um, you seriously do not believe Chesa is any different? That his “politics” do not matter??

Do you know anything of his past?

Read this.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chesa_Boudin

After reading it, come back and try telling us (with a straight face) he is just another run of the mill prosecutor.

Good grief. I said a Cincinnati prosecutor was run-of-the-mill, not Boudin.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazing how much hate the right has for SF when it has one of the lowest murder rates amongst big cities in America. Here is the list for most dangerous cities in 2019 and SF does not appear in the top 65:

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/murder-map-deadliest-u-s-cities/66/

But Trumpers are conditioned to hate SF. Despite the average citizen being much safer in SF than in Peoria, Shreveport, or Tuscaloosa, Cleveland,Milwaukee, etc.

Interesting that you quoted numbers from 2019. It is now 2021 and those numbers have increased considerably.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/28/san-francisco-bay-area-gun-violence-murders-2020

https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Homicides-are-up-36-in-Bay-Area-s-biggest-16315439.php

2019 is the last year with completed FBI data. Violent crime is on the rise everywhere. Smaller cities like Peoria, Tuscaloosa, Birmingham, and Dayton are waaaaay more dangerous than SF. But republicans don’t care. They just care about bashing SF because it fits some weird political narrative.

Um didn’t you just disprove your own narrative saying it’s gotten worse nationwide? Crime is going up? Why? Are you going to blame it all on Covid woes or are there aaaaany other reasons it might have gotten worse in the last few years? Any ideas?

My point was not that crime is not a problem. As you mentioned, I stated crime rates are going up everywhere. My point is that I don't understand why republicans always care so much about San Francisco's issues compared to everywhere else. It is weird. I think the rising crime rates are multi-factorial, and that public antipathy for the police among a segment of the left is a factor. I don't think a particular District Attorney's political leanings are an important factor for violent crime rates. For example, Joe Deters, the head prosecutor in Hamilton County, OH, which includes Cincinnati, is a pretty run-of-the-mill prosecutor. Murder rates are high in Cinci to a much greater extent than SF. The same could be said for Louisville or Dayton, or many other cities. Rising crime is only mentioned by republicans where it fits a political narrative, which is disingenuous.

We have seen - far too many times - that what happens in California eventually rears its ugly head in other parts of the country. We have seen a wave of progressive prosecutors installed in formerly moderate areas of the country (Fairfax County, for instance).
The goal is to oust these progressive prosecutors that have been bought and paid for by Soros. Get. them. all, out.

It goes way back, it's San Francisco's LGBT friendliness, and even earlier as an outpost for hippie counterculture types in Haight-Ashbury. The right views San Francisco as some kind of evil Sodom and Gomorrah.

That is the biggest crock of crap.

I am a very conservative person. I have been to SF many times.... it is a beautiful city. My sibling (also conservative) lived there for over 30 years. I have other family there too.
Nearly all of them have moved within the past 5 years. They cannot tolerate the changes to the city.

I believe you. There are plenty of conservatives in the City. But the fact remains that if they moved to another American city of comparable size, it would be a move to a city with a higher violent crime rate. Vegas? Phoenix? Dallas? Higher violent crime rates. The only cities capable of supporting a major sports teams (excluding Green Bay) that are clearly safer are Salt Lake City and NYC. It sounds like your family members would have moved out of Milwaukee, or Memphis, or Cincinnati too. It still does not explain the special hatred republicans have for San Francisco.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazing how much hate the right has for SF when it has one of the lowest murder rates amongst big cities in America. Here is the list for most dangerous cities in 2019 and SF does not appear in the top 65:

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/murder-map-deadliest-u-s-cities/66/

But Trumpers are conditioned to hate SF. Despite the average citizen being much safer in SF than in Peoria, Shreveport, or Tuscaloosa, Cleveland,Milwaukee, etc.

Interesting that you quoted numbers from 2019. It is now 2021 and those numbers have increased considerably.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/28/san-francisco-bay-area-gun-violence-murders-2020

https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Homicides-are-up-36-in-Bay-Area-s-biggest-16315439.php

2019 is the last year with completed FBI data. Violent crime is on the rise everywhere. Smaller cities like Peoria, Tuscaloosa, Birmingham, and Dayton are waaaaay more dangerous than SF. But republicans don’t care. They just care about bashing SF because it fits some weird political narrative.

Um didn’t you just disprove your own narrative saying it’s gotten worse nationwide? Crime is going up? Why? Are you going to blame it all on Covid woes or are there aaaaany other reasons it might have gotten worse in the last few years? Any ideas?

My point was not that crime is not a problem. As you mentioned, I stated crime rates are going up everywhere. My point is that I don't understand why republicans always care so much about San Francisco's issues compared to everywhere else. It is weird. I think the rising crime rates are multi-factorial, and that public antipathy for the police among a segment of the left is a factor. I don't think a particular District Attorney's political leanings are an important factor for violent crime rates. For example, Joe Deters, the head prosecutor in Hamilton County, OH, which includes Cincinnati, is a pretty run-of-the-mill prosecutor. Murder rates are high in Cinci to a much greater extent than SF. The same could be said for Louisville or Dayton, or many other cities. Rising crime is only mentioned by republicans where it fits a political narrative, which is disingenuous.

We have seen - far too many times - that what happens in California eventually rears its ugly head in other parts of the country. We have seen a wave of progressive prosecutors installed in formerly moderate areas of the country (Fairfax County, for instance).
The goal is to oust these progressive prosecutors that have been bought and paid for by Soros. Get. them. all, out.

It goes way back, it's San Francisco's LGBT friendliness, and even earlier as an outpost for hippie counterculture types in Haight-Ashbury. The right views San Francisco as some kind of evil Sodom and Gomorrah.

That is the biggest crock of crap.

I am a very conservative person. I have been to SF many times.... it is a beautiful city. My sibling (also conservative) lived there for over 30 years. I have other family there too.
Nearly all of them have moved within the past 5 years. They cannot tolerate the changes to the city.

I believe you. There are plenty of conservatives in the City. But the fact remains that if they moved to another American city of comparable size, it would be a move to a city with a higher violent crime rate. Vegas? Phoenix? Dallas? Higher violent crime rates. The only cities capable of supporting a major sports teams (excluding Green Bay) that are clearly safer are Salt Lake City and NYC. It sounds like your family members would have moved out of Milwaukee, or Memphis, or Cincinnati too. It still does not explain the special hatred republicans have for San Francisco.

It's not just SF. SF is in the news now because of the smash and grab robberies going on. Perhaps you have missed the threads about Philly, LA, Seattle, Portland, and other major cities across the nation that have seen a spike in crime and homicides, in particular.

These cities are all Democrat-run cities .......

https://abcnews.go.com/US/12-major-us-cities-top-annual-homicide-records/story?id=81466453

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Anonymous wrote:Amazing how much hate the right has for SF when it has one of the lowest murder rates amongst big cities in America. Here is the list for most dangerous cities in 2019 and SF does not appear in the top 65:

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/murder-map-deadliest-u-s-cities/66/

But Trumpers are conditioned to hate SF. Despite the average citizen being much safer in SF than in Peoria, Shreveport, or Tuscaloosa, Cleveland,Milwaukee, etc.

Interesting that you quoted numbers from 2019. It is now 2021 and those numbers have increased considerably.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/28/san-francisco-bay-area-gun-violence-murders-2020

https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Homicides-are-up-36-in-Bay-Area-s-biggest-16315439.php

2019 is the last year with completed FBI data. Violent crime is on the rise everywhere. Smaller cities like Peoria, Tuscaloosa, Birmingham, and Dayton are waaaaay more dangerous than SF. But republicans don’t care. They just care about bashing SF because it fits some weird political narrative.

Um didn’t you just disprove your own narrative saying it’s gotten worse nationwide? Crime is going up? Why? Are you going to blame it all on Covid woes or are there aaaaany other reasons it might have gotten worse in the last few years? Any ideas?

My point was not that crime is not a problem. As you mentioned, I stated crime rates are going up everywhere. My point is that I don't understand why republicans always care so much about San Francisco's issues compared to everywhere else. It is weird. I think the rising crime rates are multi-factorial, and that public antipathy for the police among a segment of the left is a factor. I don't think a particular District Attorney's political leanings are an important factor for violent crime rates. For example, Joe Deters, the head prosecutor in Hamilton County, OH, which includes Cincinnati, is a pretty run-of-the-mill prosecutor. Murder rates are high in Cinci to a much greater extent than SF. The same could be said for Louisville or Dayton, or many other cities. Rising crime is only mentioned by republicans where it fits a political narrative, which is disingenuous.

We have seen - far too many times - that what happens in California eventually rears its ugly head in other parts of the country. We have seen a wave of progressive prosecutors installed in formerly moderate areas of the country (Fairfax County, for instance).
The goal is to oust these progressive prosecutors that have been bought and paid for by Soros. Get. them. all, out.

It goes way back, it's San Francisco's LGBT friendliness, and even earlier as an outpost for hippie counterculture types in Haight-Ashbury. The right views San Francisco as some kind of evil Sodom and Gomorrah.

That is the biggest crock of crap.

I am a very conservative person. I have been to SF many times.... it is a beautiful city. My sibling (also conservative) lived there for over 30 years. I have other family there too.
Nearly all of them have moved within the past 5 years. They cannot tolerate the changes to the city.

I believe you. There are plenty of conservatives in the City. But the fact remains that if they moved to another American city of comparable size, it would be a move to a city with a higher violent crime rate. Vegas? Phoenix? Dallas? Higher violent crime rates. The only cities capable of supporting a major sports teams (excluding Green Bay) that are clearly safer are Salt Lake City and NYC. It sounds like your family members would have moved out of Milwaukee, or Memphis, or Cincinnati too. It still does not explain the special hatred republicans have for San Francisco.

It's not just SF. SF is in the news now because of the smash and grab robberies going on. Perhaps you have missed the threads about Philly, LA, Seattle, Portland, and other major cities across the nation that have seen a spike in crime and homicides, in particular.

These cities are all Democrat-run cities .......

https://abcnews.go.com/US/12-major-us-cities-top-annual-homicide-records/story?id=81466453

Cities generally vote for democratic mayors because of education levels and concentrations of minorities. However, cities that have republican mayors, like Tulsa and Jacksonville, are not low crime cities either. In California, Fresno, a city with a republican mayor, is experiencing a much greater surge of murders than San Francisco. The republican obsession with San Francisco crime is just not justified by reality.

https://www.yourcentralvalley.com/news/fresnos-crime-rate-is-rising-180-increase-in-murders-from-this-time-last-year/

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Anonymous wrote:Amazing how much hate the right has for SF when it has one of the lowest murder rates amongst big cities in America. Here is the list for most dangerous cities in 2019 and SF does not appear in the top 65:

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/murder-map-deadliest-u-s-cities/66/

But Trumpers are conditioned to hate SF. Despite the average citizen being much safer in SF than in Peoria, Shreveport, or Tuscaloosa, Cleveland,Milwaukee, etc.

Interesting that you quoted numbers from 2019. It is now 2021 and those numbers have increased considerably.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/28/san-francisco-bay-area-gun-violence-murders-2020

https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Homicides-are-up-36-in-Bay-Area-s-biggest-16315439.php

2019 is the last year with completed FBI data. Violent crime is on the rise everywhere. Smaller cities like Peoria, Tuscaloosa, Birmingham, and Dayton are waaaaay more dangerous than SF. But republicans don’t care. They just care about bashing SF because it fits some weird political narrative.

Um didn’t you just disprove your own narrative saying it’s gotten worse nationwide? Crime is going up? Why? Are you going to blame it all on Covid woes or are there aaaaany other reasons it might have gotten worse in the last few years? Any ideas?

My point was not that crime is not a problem. As you mentioned, I stated crime rates are going up everywhere. My point is that I don't understand why republicans always care so much about San Francisco's issues compared to everywhere else. It is weird. I think the rising crime rates are multi-factorial, and that public antipathy for the police among a segment of the left is a factor. I don't think a particular District Attorney's political leanings are an important factor for violent crime rates. For example, Joe Deters, the head prosecutor in Hamilton County, OH, which includes Cincinnati, is a pretty run-of-the-mill prosecutor. Murder rates are high in Cinci to a much greater extent than SF. The same could be said for Louisville or Dayton, or many other cities. Rising crime is only mentioned by republicans where it fits a political narrative, which is disingenuous.

We have seen - far too many times - that what happens in California eventually rears its ugly head in other parts of the country. We have seen a wave of progressive prosecutors installed in formerly moderate areas of the country (Fairfax County, for instance).
The goal is to oust these progressive prosecutors that have been bought and paid for by Soros. Get. them. all, out.

It goes way back, it's San Francisco's LGBT friendliness, and even earlier as an outpost for hippie counterculture types in Haight-Ashbury. The right views San Francisco as some kind of evil Sodom and Gomorrah.

That is the biggest crock of crap.

I am a very conservative person. I have been to SF many times.... it is a beautiful city. My sibling (also conservative) lived there for over 30 years. I have other family there too.
Nearly all of them have moved within the past 5 years. They cannot tolerate the changes to the city.

I believe you. There are plenty of conservatives in the City. But the fact remains that if they moved to another American city of comparable size, it would be a move to a city with a higher violent crime rate. Vegas? Phoenix? Dallas? Higher violent crime rates. The only cities capable of supporting a major sports teams (excluding Green Bay) that are clearly safer are Salt Lake City and NYC. It sounds like your family members would have moved out of Milwaukee, or Memphis, or Cincinnati too. It still does not explain the special hatred republicans have for San Francisco.

It's not just SF. SF is in the news now because of the smash and grab robberies going on. Perhaps you have missed the threads about Philly, LA, Seattle, Portland, and other major cities across the nation that have seen a spike in crime and homicides, in particular.

These cities are all Democrat-run cities .......

https://abcnews.go.com/US/12-major-us-cities-top-annual-homicide-records/story?id=81466453

Cities generally vote for democratic mayors because of education levels and concentrations of minorities. However, cities that have republican mayors, like Tulsa and Jacksonville, are not low crime cities either. In California, Fresno, a city with a republican mayor, is experiencing a much greater surge of murders than San Francisco. The republican obsession with San Francisco crime is just not justified by reality.

https://www.yourcentralvalley.com/news/fresnos-crime-rate-is-rising-180-increase-in-murders-from-this-time-last-year/

If mayors from any party are truly interested in effectively, fairly, and legally lowering crime rates, they must study and follow the reforms Rudi Giuliani put in place in NYC, lowering the murder rate there by over 80%, making the city safe for all, and increasing tourist revenue dramatically.

His program worked. That is simply a fact.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazing how much hate the right has for SF when it has one of the lowest murder rates amongst big cities in America. Here is the list for most dangerous cities in 2019 and SF does not appear in the top 65:

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/murder-map-deadliest-u-s-cities/66/

But Trumpers are conditioned to hate SF. Despite the average citizen being much safer in SF than in Peoria, Shreveport, or Tuscaloosa, Cleveland,Milwaukee, etc.

Interesting that you quoted numbers from 2019. It is now 2021 and those numbers have increased considerably.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/28/san-francisco-bay-area-gun-violence-murders-2020

https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Homicides-are-up-36-in-Bay-Area-s-biggest-16315439.php

2019 is the last year with completed FBI data. Violent crime is on the rise everywhere. Smaller cities like Peoria, Tuscaloosa, Birmingham, and Dayton are waaaaay more dangerous than SF. But republicans don’t care. They just care about bashing SF because it fits some weird political narrative.

Um didn’t you just disprove your own narrative saying it’s gotten worse nationwide? Crime is going up? Why? Are you going to blame it all on Covid woes or are there aaaaany other reasons it might have gotten worse in the last few years? Any ideas?

My point was not that crime is not a problem. As you mentioned, I stated crime rates are going up everywhere. My point is that I don't understand why republicans always care so much about San Francisco's issues compared to everywhere else. It is weird. I think the rising crime rates are multi-factorial, and that public antipathy for the police among a segment of the left is a factor. I don't think a particular District Attorney's political leanings are an important factor for violent crime rates. For example, Joe Deters, the head prosecutor in Hamilton County, OH, which includes Cincinnati, is a pretty run-of-the-mill prosecutor. Murder rates are high in Cinci to a much greater extent than SF. The same could be said for Louisville or Dayton, or many other cities. Rising crime is only mentioned by republicans where it fits a political narrative, which is disingenuous.

We have seen - far too many times - that what happens in California eventually rears its ugly head in other parts of the country. We have seen a wave of progressive prosecutors installed in formerly moderate areas of the country (Fairfax County, for instance).
The goal is to oust these progressive prosecutors that have been bought and paid for by Soros. Get. them. all, out.

It goes way back, it's San Francisco's LGBT friendliness, and even earlier as an outpost for hippie counterculture types in Haight-Ashbury. The right views San Francisco as some kind of evil Sodom and Gomorrah.

That is the biggest crock of crap.

I am a very conservative person. I have been to SF many times.... it is a beautiful city. My sibling (also conservative) lived there for over 30 years. I have other family there too.
Nearly all of them have moved within the past 5 years. They cannot tolerate the changes to the city.

I believe you. There are plenty of conservatives in the City. But the fact remains that if they moved to another American city of comparable size, it would be a move to a city with a higher violent crime rate. Vegas? Phoenix? Dallas? Higher violent crime rates. The only cities capable of supporting a major sports teams (excluding Green Bay) that are clearly safer are Salt Lake City and NYC. It sounds like your family members would have moved out of Milwaukee, or Memphis, or Cincinnati too. It still does not explain the special hatred republicans have for San Francisco.

It's not just SF. SF is in the news now because of the smash and grab robberies going on. Perhaps you have missed the threads about Philly, LA, Seattle, Portland, and other major cities across the nation that have seen a spike in crime and homicides, in particular.

These cities are all Democrat-run cities .......

https://abcnews.go.com/US/12-major-us-cities-top-annual-homicide-records/story?id=81466453

Cities generally vote for democratic mayors because of education levels and concentrations of minorities. However, cities that have republican mayors, like Tulsa and Jacksonville, are not low crime cities either. In California, Fresno, a city with a republican mayor, is experiencing a much greater surge of murders than San Francisco. The republican obsession with San Francisco crime is just not justified by reality.

https://www.yourcentralvalley.com/news/fresnos-crime-rate-is-rising-180-increase-in-murders-from-this-time-last-year/

If mayors from any party are truly interested in effectively, fairly, and legally lowering crime rates, they must study and follow the reforms Rudi Giuliani put in place in NYC, lowering the murder rate there by over 80%, making the city safe for all, and increasing tourist revenue dramatically.

His program worked. That is simply a fact.

NYC hit its pinnacle of low crime under Bloomberg, many years after Giuliani was gone. Giuliani's "broken windows" policies only had marginal benefits. Had more to do with increased size of the police force, increased incarceration rates, and demographic shift of fewer youths.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazing how much hate the right has for SF when it has one of the lowest murder rates amongst big cities in America. Here is the list for most dangerous cities in 2019 and SF does not appear in the top 65:

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/murder-map-deadliest-u-s-cities/66/

But Trumpers are conditioned to hate SF. Despite the average citizen being much safer in SF than in Peoria, Shreveport, or Tuscaloosa, Cleveland,Milwaukee, etc.

Interesting that you quoted numbers from 2019. It is now 2021 and those numbers have increased considerably.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/28/san-francisco-bay-area-gun-violence-murders-2020

https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Homicides-are-up-36-in-Bay-Area-s-biggest-16315439.php

2019 is the last year with completed FBI data. Violent crime is on the rise everywhere. Smaller cities like Peoria, Tuscaloosa, Birmingham, and Dayton are waaaaay more dangerous than SF. But republicans don’t care. They just care about bashing SF because it fits some weird political narrative.

Um didn’t you just disprove your own narrative saying it’s gotten worse nationwide? Crime is going up? Why? Are you going to blame it all on Covid woes or are there aaaaany other reasons it might have gotten worse in the last few years? Any ideas?

My point was not that crime is not a problem. As you mentioned, I stated crime rates are going up everywhere. My point is that I don't understand why republicans always care so much about San Francisco's issues compared to everywhere else. It is weird. I think the rising crime rates are multi-factorial, and that public antipathy for the police among a segment of the left is a factor. I don't think a particular District Attorney's political leanings are an important factor for violent crime rates. For example, Joe Deters, the head prosecutor in Hamilton County, OH, which includes Cincinnati, is a pretty run-of-the-mill prosecutor. Murder rates are high in Cinci to a much greater extent than SF. The same could be said for Louisville or Dayton, or many other cities. Rising crime is only mentioned by republicans where it fits a political narrative, which is disingenuous.

We have seen - far too many times - that what happens in California eventually rears its ugly head in other parts of the country. We have seen a wave of progressive prosecutors installed in formerly moderate areas of the country (Fairfax County, for instance).
The goal is to oust these progressive prosecutors that have been bought and paid for by Soros. Get. them. all, out.

It goes way back, it's San Francisco's LGBT friendliness, and even earlier as an outpost for hippie counterculture types in Haight-Ashbury. The right views San Francisco as some kind of evil Sodom and Gomorrah.

That is the biggest crock of crap.

I am a very conservative person. I have been to SF many times.... it is a beautiful city. My sibling (also conservative) lived there for over 30 years. I have other family there too.
Nearly all of them have moved within the past 5 years. They cannot tolerate the changes to the city.

I believe you. There are plenty of conservatives in the City. But the fact remains that if they moved to another American city of comparable size, it would be a move to a city with a higher violent crime rate. Vegas? Phoenix? Dallas? Higher violent crime rates. The only cities capable of supporting a major sports teams (excluding Green Bay) that are clearly safer are Salt Lake City and NYC. It sounds like your family members would have moved out of Milwaukee, or Memphis, or Cincinnati too. It still does not explain the special hatred republicans have for San Francisco.

It's not just SF. SF is in the news now because of the smash and grab robberies going on. Perhaps you have missed the threads about Philly, LA, Seattle, Portland, and other major cities across the nation that have seen a spike in crime and homicides, in particular.

These cities are all Democrat-run cities .......

https://abcnews.go.com/US/12-major-us-cities-top-annual-homicide-records/story?id=81466453

Cities generally vote for democratic mayors because of education levels and concentrations of minorities. However, cities that have republican mayors, like Tulsa and Jacksonville, are not low crime cities either. In California, Fresno, a city with a republican mayor, is experiencing a much greater surge of murders than San Francisco. The republican obsession with San Francisco crime is just not justified by reality.

https://www.yourcentralvalley.com/news/fresnos-crime-rate-is-rising-180-increase-in-murders-from-this-time-last-year/

If mayors from any party are truly interested in effectively, fairly, and legally lowering crime rates, they must study and follow the reforms Rudi Giuliani put in place in NYC, lowering the murder rate there by over 80%, making the city safe for all, and increasing tourist revenue dramatically.

His program worked. That is simply a fact.

NYC hit its pinnacle of low crime under Bloomberg, many years after Giuliani was gone. Giuliani's "broken windows" policies only had marginal benefits. Had more to do with increased size of the police force, increased incarceration rates, and demographic shift of fewer youths.

At the same time NYPD was hit with increasing complaints about brutality, shootings and unnecessary, over-the-top violence.

[Anonymous]

Sounds like London Breed might be finally waking up a little bit. Maybe she sees the writing on the wall about the red wave that’s coming.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like London Breed might be finally waking up a little bit. Maybe she sees the writing on the wall about the red wave that’s coming.

Or, more likely.... the business community went to her and told her to clean things up or they were out of there.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazing how much hate the right has for SF when it has one of the lowest murder rates amongst big cities in America. Here is the list for most dangerous cities in 2019 and SF does not appear in the top 65:

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/murder-map-deadliest-u-s-cities/66/

But Trumpers are conditioned to hate SF. Despite the average citizen being much safer in SF than in Peoria, Shreveport, or Tuscaloosa, Cleveland,Milwaukee, etc.

Interesting that you quoted numbers from 2019. It is now 2021 and those numbers have increased considerably.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/28/san-francisco-bay-area-gun-violence-murders-2020

https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Homicides-are-up-36-in-Bay-Area-s-biggest-16315439.php

2019 is the last year with completed FBI data. Violent crime is on the rise everywhere. Smaller cities like Peoria, Tuscaloosa, Birmingham, and Dayton are waaaaay more dangerous than SF. But republicans don’t care. They just care about bashing SF because it fits some weird political narrative.

Um didn’t you just disprove your own narrative saying it’s gotten worse nationwide? Crime is going up? Why? Are you going to blame it all on Covid woes or are there aaaaany other reasons it might have gotten worse in the last few years? Any ideas?

My point was not that crime is not a problem. As you mentioned, I stated crime rates are going up everywhere. My point is that I don't understand why republicans always care so much about San Francisco's issues compared to everywhere else. It is weird. I think the rising crime rates are multi-factorial, and that public antipathy for the police among a segment of the left is a factor. I don't think a particular District Attorney's political leanings are an important factor for violent crime rates. For example, Joe Deters, the head prosecutor in Hamilton County, OH, which includes Cincinnati, is a pretty run-of-the-mill prosecutor. Murder rates are high in Cinci to a much greater extent than SF. The same could be said for Louisville or Dayton, or many other cities. Rising crime is only mentioned by republicans where it fits a political narrative, which is disingenuous.

We have seen - far too many times - that what happens in California eventually rears its ugly head in other parts of the country. We have seen a wave of progressive prosecutors installed in formerly moderate areas of the country (Fairfax County, for instance).
The goal is to oust these progressive prosecutors that have been bought and paid for by Soros. Get. them. all, out.

It goes way back, it's San Francisco's LGBT friendliness, and even earlier as an outpost for hippie counterculture types in Haight-Ashbury. The right views San Francisco as some kind of evil Sodom and Gomorrah.

That is the biggest crock of crap.

I am a very conservative person. I have been to SF many times.... it is a beautiful city. My sibling (also conservative) lived there for over 30 years. I have other family there too.
Nearly all of them have moved within the past 5 years. They cannot tolerate the changes to the city.

I believe you. There are plenty of conservatives in the City. But the fact remains that if they moved to another American city of comparable size, it would be a move to a city with a higher violent crime rate. Vegas? Phoenix? Dallas? Higher violent crime rates. The only cities capable of supporting a major sports teams (excluding Green Bay) that are clearly safer are Salt Lake City and NYC. It sounds like your family members would have moved out of Milwaukee, or Memphis, or Cincinnati too. It still does not explain the special hatred republicans have for San Francisco.

It's not just SF. SF is in the news now because of the smash and grab robberies going on. Perhaps you have missed the threads about Philly, LA, Seattle, Portland, and other major cities across the nation that have seen a spike in crime and homicides, in particular.

These cities are all Democrat-run cities .......

https://abcnews.go.com/US/12-major-us-cities-top-annual-homicide-records/story?id=81466453

Cities generally vote for democratic mayors because of education levels and concentrations of minorities. However, cities that have republican mayors, like Tulsa and Jacksonville, are not low crime cities either. In California, Fresno, a city with a republican mayor, is experiencing a much greater surge of murders than San Francisco. The republican obsession with San Francisco crime is just not justified by reality.

https://www.yourcentralvalley.com/news/fresnos-crime-rate-is-rising-180-increase-in-murders-from-this-time-last-year/

If mayors from any party are truly interested in effectively, fairly, and legally lowering crime rates, they must study and follow the reforms Rudi Giuliani put in place in NYC, lowering the murder rate there by over 80%, making the city safe for all, and increasing tourist revenue dramatically.

His program worked. That is simply a fact.

NYC hit its pinnacle of low crime under Bloomberg, many years after Giuliani was gone. Giuliani's "broken windows" policies only had marginal benefits. Had more to do with increased size of the police force, increased incarceration rates, and demographic shift of fewer youths.

At the same time NYPD was hit with increasing complaints about brutality, shootings and unnecessary, over-the-top violence.

No sympathy for those who commit crimes. A sweet innocent 5 year old from Georgia was just taken to Alabama and sexually abused before being strangled to death. The guy has a history but yet walking around freely to hurt others.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazing how much hate the right has for SF when it has one of the lowest murder rates amongst big cities in America. Here is the list for most dangerous cities in 2019 and SF does not appear in the top 65:

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/murder-map-deadliest-u-s-cities/66/

But Trumpers are conditioned to hate SF. Despite the average citizen being much safer in SF than in Peoria, Shreveport, or Tuscaloosa, Cleveland,Milwaukee, etc.

Interesting that you quoted numbers from 2019. It is now 2021 and those numbers have increased considerably.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/28/san-francisco-bay-area-gun-violence-murders-2020

https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Homicides-are-up-36-in-Bay-Area-s-biggest-16315439.php

2019 is the last year with completed FBI data. Violent crime is on the rise everywhere. Smaller cities like Peoria, Tuscaloosa, Birmingham, and Dayton are waaaaay more dangerous than SF. But republicans don’t care. They just care about bashing SF because it fits some weird political narrative.

Um didn’t you just disprove your own narrative saying it’s gotten worse nationwide? Crime is going up? Why? Are you going to blame it all on Covid woes or are there aaaaany other reasons it might have gotten worse in the last few years? Any ideas?

My point was not that crime is not a problem. As you mentioned, I stated crime rates are going up everywhere. My point is that I don't understand why republicans always care so much about San Francisco's issues compared to everywhere else. It is weird. I think the rising crime rates are multi-factorial, and that public antipathy for the police among a segment of the left is a factor. I don't think a particular District Attorney's political leanings are an important factor for violent crime rates. For example, Joe Deters, the head prosecutor in Hamilton County, OH, which includes Cincinnati, is a pretty run-of-the-mill prosecutor. Murder rates are high in Cinci to a much greater extent than SF. The same could be said for Louisville or Dayton, or many other cities. Rising crime is only mentioned by republicans where it fits a political narrative, which is disingenuous.

We have seen - far too many times - that what happens in California eventually rears its ugly head in other parts of the country. We have seen a wave of progressive prosecutors installed in formerly moderate areas of the country (Fairfax County, for instance).
The goal is to oust these progressive prosecutors that have been bought and paid for by Soros. Get. them. all, out.

It goes way back, it's San Francisco's LGBT friendliness, and even earlier as an outpost for hippie counterculture types in Haight-Ashbury. The right views San Francisco as some kind of evil Sodom and Gomorrah.

That is the biggest crock of crap.

I am a very conservative person. I have been to SF many times.... it is a beautiful city. My sibling (also conservative) lived there for over 30 years. I have other family there too.
Nearly all of them have moved within the past 5 years. They cannot tolerate the changes to the city.

I believe you. There are plenty of conservatives in the City. But the fact remains that if they moved to another American city of comparable size, it would be a move to a city with a higher violent crime rate. Vegas? Phoenix? Dallas? Higher violent crime rates. The only cities capable of supporting a major sports teams (excluding Green Bay) that are clearly safer are Salt Lake City and NYC. It sounds like your family members would have moved out of Milwaukee, or Memphis, or Cincinnati too. It still does not explain the special hatred republicans have for San Francisco.

It's not just SF. SF is in the news now because of the smash and grab robberies going on. Perhaps you have missed the threads about Philly, LA, Seattle, Portland, and other major cities across the nation that have seen a spike in crime and homicides, in particular.

These cities are all Democrat-run cities .......

https://abcnews.go.com/US/12-major-us-cities-top-annual-homicide-records/story?id=81466453

Cities generally vote for democratic mayors because of education levels and concentrations of minorities. However, cities that have republican mayors, like Tulsa and Jacksonville, are not low crime cities either. In California, Fresno, a city with a republican mayor, is experiencing a much greater surge of murders than San Francisco. The republican obsession with San Francisco crime is just not justified by reality.

https://www.yourcentralvalley.com/news/fresnos-crime-rate-is-rising-180-increase-in-murders-from-this-time-last-year/

If mayors from any party are truly interested in effectively, fairly, and legally lowering crime rates, they must study and follow the reforms Rudi Giuliani put in place in NYC, lowering the murder rate there by over 80%, making the city safe for all, and increasing tourist revenue dramatically.

His program worked. That is simply a fact.

NYC hit its pinnacle of low crime under Bloomberg, many years after Giuliani was gone. Giuliani's "broken windows" policies only had marginal benefits. Had more to do with increased size of the police force, increased incarceration rates, and demographic shift of fewer youths.

At the same time NYPD was hit with increasing complaints about brutality, shootings and unnecessary, over-the-top violence.

No sympathy for those who commit crimes. A sweet innocent 5 year old from Georgia was just taken to Alabama and sexually abused before being strangled to death. The guy has a history but yet walking around freely to hurt others.

Yeah but half the time the police are being violent and abusive to people who did nothing wrong, or who only committed a minor crime and posed no threat to anyone. What purpose does that serve? It doesn't deter crime, it only makes people angry and resentful.

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Hey, right-wing posters, don’t move to San Francisco. Problem solved. Just go to Florida and Texas cities where apparently there is no crime.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazing how much hate the right has for SF when it has one of the lowest murder rates amongst big cities in America. Here is the list for most dangerous cities in 2019 and SF does not appear in the top 65:

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/murder-map-deadliest-u-s-cities/66/

But Trumpers are conditioned to hate SF. Despite the average citizen being much safer in SF than in Peoria, Shreveport, or Tuscaloosa, Cleveland,Milwaukee, etc.

"Hate SF"? I used to adore SF - traveled there whenever I had the chance. I don't plan on going back until (unless) it cleans up its act. But sure, blame SF's woes on "Trumpers." People really take you seriously.

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Anonymous wrote:Go right on tilting at windmills and blaming republicans.

Right? It’s like the violin players on the titanic.

Deflect. Deflect. Deflect.

Your social justice criminal justice reform policies do more harm than good. You should abandon them.

I live in DC and we bend over backwards out of misguided equity goals not to arrest and prosecute all in the face of a 30% rise in murder and massive rise in other crime. All the youth rehab act, the not doing anything about the motorcycle crews or 12’ o’clock boys or whatever the fk they are called, the teens mugging people and the car jacking rise. Noooo we simply hire “violence interruptors” proven in studies to be ineffective, at a cost of $10m, or restorative justice, and then we have city councils members who are just anti police because of the defund movement.

Then look at California and retail theft mobs.

Bbbb bbbut the stats show crime is down!!!!! No they don’t. They all show crime is up. Midterms are going to be something with this progressive policing nonsense in voters minds.

Exactly this. Louder for the gaslighters in the back.
DP