Liberal policing and policies in San Francisco

[Anonymous]

Is this where DC’s Charles Allen draws his inspiration for such great laws (Youth Rehabilitation Act, Second chance laws, “violence interrupters” vs actual policing in violent neighborhoods)? I know the Daily Mail is tabloid garbage, but these continued smash and grabs on a daily basis in California are being reported in legitimate news sources. This is what people worry about, in addition to the watering down of curriculum, as a result of liberals trying hamfistedly fix things with a certain agenda. This is why Virginia was lost. Liberals simply care less about actual justice, merit, or safety.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10230017/Bay-Area-hit-consecutive-day-brazen-looting-gang-mall-jewelry-store.html

I hate to say it, but “woke” criminal justice policies produce worse crime outcomes and statistics. I understand there are bad apples in policing, but to implement such lax, slap on the hand policies to reduce disproportionate arrest rates appears to be a flawed solution. Businesses will leave if they know they will be looted. That will spur lower property values and a negative feedback loop of crime.

This is why you are going to lose big in the mid terms, not because, as AOC put it, “we weren’t progressive enough”. No one wants to be attacked or their business looted in the name of progressiveness.

[Anonymous]

Same conversations are happening in/around schools and their failed restorative justice policies. Democrats are going to get absolutely pummeled next year.

[Anonymous]

I don’t think having Chesa Boudin as district attorney is helping matters at all.

[Anonymous]

Businesses already ARE closing and leaving. There are probably 30-40 stores that packed up and closed in recent months in the SF Bay Area just due to the looting. Maybe even more. Several Walgreens, several CVS, many independent stores, even the Safeway stores are closing early now due to rampant theft. It’s a real problem.

Funny thing is when the city officials act like the stores should have asked permission to close. As if they had an obligation to stay open as a charity to support the criminals. I don’t have time to find the videos now but worth watching if someone can find them. These people are just SO dumb and just refuse to get it.

And yes, I agree that people are waking up and realizing that liberal policies have complete wrecked California.

[Anonymous]

Except the entire "it's only a misdemeanor" premise is flawed. California is one of many states that have laws classifying theft under $1,000 as a misdemeanor and the law changing that threshold in California is much older than the recent spate of crimes. I'm not sure what the solution is, an organized group of 50 can probably overwhelm any store security or police presence, but the laws in California are the laws in most states.

[Anonymous]

It’s crazy how people jump on the bandwagon for these, obviously less effective criminal justice laws, and then are shocked when their political party loses power as crime rises. Like shocked pikachu face how did I not know that ending policing in a violent neighborhood would result in a 30% murder increase? Or who knew taking shoplifting less than $1000 would only result in a misdemeanor would somehow spur a shoplifting crimewave?

This has me concerned because I am liberal. Not a progressive a moderate liberal.

What happens when republicans win and the pendulum swings the other way and there is a massive crack down on crime that disproportionately hits people…basically it’s hard to find a good policing middle ground, but this lax crap needs to stop.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s crazy how people jump on the bandwagon for these, obviously less effective criminal justice laws, and then are shocked when their political party loses power as crime rises. Like shocked pikachu face how did I not know that ending policing in a violent neighborhood would result in a 30% murder increase? Or who knew taking shoplifting less than $1000 would only result in a misdemeanor would somehow spur a shoplifting crimewave?

This has me concerned because I am liberal. Not a progressive a moderate liberal.

What happens when republicans win and the pendulum swings the other way and there is a massive crack down on crime that disproportionately hits people…basically it’s hard to find a good policing middle ground, but this lax crap needs to stop.

Honest question though. Why is it considered a massive Republican crackdown when it is literally enforcing the law and protecting property rights? This is an opportunity to stop playing partisan games and identify bad policy and do something about it.

[Anonymous]

Daily Mail may be considered a "tabloid," but I find it required reading nowadays. They Brits are the only ones brave enough to report a lot of the news. I remember when a tourist was beat up by a gang of 13 or so individuals outside a hotel in DC, and Daily Mail had it up in less than 24 hours. WAPO sat on it until they absolutely couldn't ignore it. I think it took 7 days or so (literally!) because they really, really didn't want to discuss it.

[Anonymous]

Obviously the police haven’t been defunded enough yet. Crime is still increasing.

[Anonymous]

"What happens when republicans win and the pendulum swings the other way and there is a massive crack down on crime...?"

That sounds like a GOOD thing. What is wrong with Democrats that a crackdown on crime is viewed as threatening? Stop supporting criminals! I'm looking at you, Kim Fox, Lori Lightfoot, Charles Allen, this stupid Milwaukee DA Democrat, who admitted bail reform would get people killed and did it anyway!! Just stop it!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s crazy how people jump on the bandwagon for these, obviously less effective criminal justice laws, and then are shocked when their political party loses power as crime rises. Like shocked pikachu face how did I not know that ending policing in a violent neighborhood would result in a 30% murder increase? Or who knew taking shoplifting less than $1000 would only result in a misdemeanor would somehow spur a shoplifting crimewave?

This has me concerned because I am liberal. Not a progressive a moderate liberal.

What happens when republicans win and the pendulum swings the other way and there is a massive crack down on crime that disproportionately hits people…basically it’s hard to find a good policing middle ground, but this lax crap needs to stop.

Honest question though. Why is it considered a massive Republican crackdown when it is literally enforcing the law and protecting property rights? This is an opportunity to stop playing partisan games and identify bad policy and do something about it.

+1

It’s disgusting that caring about our laws and not wanting a business robbed or looted or people to be assaulted is apparently a “republican” idea now.

You might not like “stop and frisk”, and I think there’s a valid discussion to be had about that. But we’d better start cracking down hard on criminals or next year there’s gonna be a red wave like we’ve never seen before.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s crazy how people jump on the bandwagon for these, obviously less effective criminal justice laws, and then are shocked when their political party loses power as crime rises. Like shocked pikachu face how did I not know that ending policing in a violent neighborhood would result in a 30% murder increase? Or who knew taking shoplifting less than $1000 would only result in a misdemeanor would somehow spur a shoplifting crimewave?

This has me concerned because I am liberal. Not a progressive a moderate liberal.

What happens when republicans win and the pendulum swings the other way and there is a massive crack down on crime that disproportionately hits people…basically it’s hard to find a good policing middle ground, but this lax crap needs to stop.

Honest question though. Why is it considered a massive Republican crackdown when it is literally enforcing the law and protecting property rights? This is an opportunity to stop playing partisan games and identify bad policy and do something about it.

+1

It’s disgusting that caring about our laws and not wanting a business robbed or looted or people to be assaulted is apparently a “republican” idea now.

You might not like “stop and frisk”, and I think there’s a valid discussion to be had about that. But we’d better start cracking down hard on criminals or next year there’s gonna be a red wave like we’ve never seen before.

Bring back law enforcement and policing practices that lead to inherently unequal justice outcomes? Yea keep trying to reimpose this through fear-mongering.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s crazy how people jump on the bandwagon for these, obviously less effective criminal justice laws, and then are shocked when their political party loses power as crime rises. Like shocked pikachu face how did I not know that ending policing in a violent neighborhood would result in a 30% murder increase? Or who knew taking shoplifting less than $1000 would only result in a misdemeanor would somehow spur a shoplifting crimewave?

This has me concerned because I am liberal. Not a progressive a moderate liberal.

What happens when republicans win and the pendulum swings the other way and there is a massive crack down on crime that disproportionately hits people…basically it’s hard to find a good policing middle ground, but this lax crap needs to stop.

Honest question though. Why is it considered a massive Republican crackdown when it is literally enforcing the law and protecting property rights? This is an opportunity to stop playing partisan games and identify bad policy and do something about it.

+1

It’s disgusting that caring about our laws and not wanting a business robbed or looted or people to be assaulted is apparently a “republican” idea now.

You might not like “stop and frisk”, and I think there’s a valid discussion to be had about that. But we’d better start cracking down hard on criminals or next year there’s gonna be a red wave like we’ve never seen before.

Bring back law enforcement and policing practices that lead to inherently unequal justice outcomes? Yea keep trying to reimpose this through fear-mongering.

Dude, California is seeing mobs of people looting stores day after day after day. It’s not fear-mongering when it’s actually happening.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s crazy how people jump on the bandwagon for these, obviously less effective criminal justice laws, and then are shocked when their political party loses power as crime rises. Like shocked pikachu face how did I not know that ending policing in a violent neighborhood would result in a 30% murder increase? Or who knew taking shoplifting less than $1000 would only result in a misdemeanor would somehow spur a shoplifting crimewave?

This has me concerned because I am liberal. Not a progressive a moderate liberal.

What happens when republicans win and the pendulum swings the other way and there is a massive crack down on crime that disproportionately hits people…basically it’s hard to find a good policing middle ground, but this lax crap needs to stop.

Honest question though. Why is it considered a massive Republican crackdown when it is literally enforcing the law and protecting property rights? This is an opportunity to stop playing partisan games and identify bad policy and do something about it.

+1

It’s disgusting that caring about our laws and not wanting a business robbed or looted or people to be assaulted is apparently a “republican” idea now.

You might not like “stop and frisk”, and I think there’s a valid discussion to be had about that. But we’d better start cracking down hard on criminals or next year there’s gonna be a red wave like we’ve never seen before.

Bring back law enforcement and policing practices that lead to inherently unequal justice outcomes? Yea keep trying to reimpose this through fear-mongering.

Dude, California is seeing mobs of people looting stores day after day after day. It’s not fear-mongering when it’s actually happening.

There is no easy solution, but letting criminals have a free pass is not the solution.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s crazy how people jump on the bandwagon for these, obviously less effective criminal justice laws, and then are shocked when their political party loses power as crime rises. Like shocked pikachu face how did I not know that ending policing in a violent neighborhood would result in a 30% murder increase? Or who knew taking shoplifting less than $1000 would only result in a misdemeanor would somehow spur a shoplifting crimewave?

This has me concerned because I am liberal. Not a progressive a moderate liberal.

What happens when republicans win and the pendulum swings the other way and there is a massive crack down on crime that disproportionately hits people…basically it’s hard to find a good policing middle ground, but this lax crap needs to stop.

Honest question though. Why is it considered a massive Republican crackdown when it is literally enforcing the law and protecting property rights? This is an opportunity to stop playing partisan games and identify bad policy and do something about it.

+1

It’s disgusting that caring about our laws and not wanting a business robbed or looted or people to be assaulted is apparently a “republican” idea now.

You might not like “stop and frisk”, and I think there’s a valid discussion to be had about that. But we’d better start cracking down hard on criminals or next year there’s gonna be a red wave like we’ve never seen before.

Bring back law enforcement and policing practices that lead to inherently unequal justice outcomes? Yea keep trying to reimpose this through fear-mongering.

Should laws only apply to some Americans?