Great article: "Democrats are in a Bubble on Immigration"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here is the data from pew, pure data people without agenda, from this month with facts about illegal immigration. It is actually at a low point compared to a peak in bush years.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/12/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/

We're not providing fewer services to those who come here. Since the Bush years, more services are expected and even demanded re education, second language instruction, special education, post high school education support. housing support, medical care, and food.

In many cases the kids are American citizens. Do you want to discriminate against American citizens just because they are brown and their parents maybe undocumented? We have been giving ESOL and special education to Italians, Irish and others who immigrated in big numbers in the past too. Why is this any different ? It is not even a drop in the massive US budgets.

The link below is a book that explains the same issues faced by Italians and at that time there was so much hate crime against Italians because they weren’t considered white, at the time. History repeats itself, this time against Hispanics.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.5406/j.ctt1xcn6g

PP here. You're preaching to the choir, as they say. I've worked with kids from all walks of life for years. I care deeply about all of these kids, regardless of who they are; but it is expensive. There needs to be more control over the number of immigrants arriving and staying here. We already have impoverished, struggling children whose parents are American citizens; and we aren't doing enough for THEM.

We are doing enough for all kids in blue states, just not in red states. The red states are perennially moochers because they give tax cuts to the rich and have no money for its middle class citizens. We are the richest country and we do have the resources. But we just give too much away for the rich and that’s the issue we need to fix. I am all for Warren or kamala to come and tax the heck out of Trumps and other millionaires.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is the data from pew, pure data people without agenda, from this month with facts about illegal immigration. It is actually at a low point compared to a peak in bush years.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/12/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/

We're not providing fewer services to those who come here. Since the Bush years, more services are expected and even demanded re education, second language instruction, special education, post high school education support. housing support, medical care, and food.

In many cases the kids are American citizens. Do you want to discriminate against American citizens just because they are brown and their parents maybe undocumented? We have been giving ESOL and special education to Italians, Irish and others who immigrated in big numbers in the past too. Why is this any different ? It is not even a drop in the massive US budgets.

The link below is a book that explains the same issues faced by Italians and at that time there was so much hate crime against Italians because they weren’t considered white, at the time. History repeats itself, this time against Hispanics.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.5406/j.ctt1xcn6g

PP here. You're preaching to the choir, as they say. I've worked with kids from all walks of life for years. I care deeply about all of these kids, regardless of who they are; but it is expensive. There needs to be more control over the number of immigrants arriving and staying here. We already have impoverished, struggling children whose parents are American citizens; and we aren't doing enough for THEM.

We are doing enough for all kids in blue states, just not in red states. The red states are perennially moochers because they give tax cuts to the rich and have no money for its middle class citizens. We are the richest country and we do have the resources. But we just give too much away for the rich and that’s the issue we need to fix. I am all for Warren or kamala to come and tax the heck out of Trumps and other millionaires.

We are NOT doing enough for all kids in blue states. You appear to have an axe to grind with your comments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is the data from pew, pure data people without agenda, from this month with facts about illegal immigration. It is actually at a low point compared to a peak in bush years.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/12/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/

We're not providing fewer services to those who come here. Since the Bush years, more services are expected and even demanded re education, second language instruction, special education, post high school education support. housing support, medical care, and food.

In many cases the kids are American citizens. Do you want to discriminate against American citizens just because they are brown and their parents maybe undocumented? We have been giving ESOL and special education to Italians, Irish and others who immigrated in big numbers in the past too. Why is this any different ? It is not even a drop in the massive US budgets.

The link below is a book that explains the same issues faced by Italians and at that time there was so much hate crime against Italians because they weren’t considered white, at the time. History repeats itself, this time against Hispanics.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.5406/j.ctt1xcn6g

PP here. You're preaching to the choir, as they say. I've worked with kids from all walks of life for years. I care deeply about all of these kids, regardless of who they are; but it is expensive. There needs to be more control over the number of immigrants arriving and staying here. We already have impoverished, struggling children whose parents are American citizens; and we aren't doing enough for THEM.

We are doing enough for all kids in blue states, just not in red states. The red states are perennially moochers because they give tax cuts to the rich and have no money for its middle class citizens. We are the richest country and we do have the resources. But we just give too much away for the rich and that’s the issue we need to fix. I am all for Warren or kamala to come and tax the heck out of Trumps and other millionaires.

We are NOT doing enough for all kids in blue states. You appear to have an axe to grind with your comments.

I don’t have no axe to grind at all. I am just tired of the lies of the conman and the hypocrisy while he recruits illegals and doubles the h2B visa to hire waitresses. Why doesn’t he have e-verify in all his properties ? Why can’t he find American waitresses? Why hasn’t he not supported a single bill to mandate e-verify and punish the businesses that hire illegals ?

Unlike the “poorly educated” I am not stupid to fall for his smoke and mirror con. I am all for mandatory e-verify if the fraud ever brings a bill to punish businesses for hiring illegals. Guess what? That bill is never coming.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is the data from pew, pure data people without agenda, from this month with facts about illegal immigration. It is actually at a low point compared to a peak in bush years.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/12/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/

So toward the end of Bush's presidency, the US had about 300m people. Now it's about 327m.

So as the US continues to grow, at what point do we say enough? And if there's a gap between whites and blacks/Hispanics, do you think that gap is growing smaller? lol - Think again. So as we welcome more and more into our country, we cannot address the poverty that already exists, as resources eventually run out.

This is really common sense, but I don't think the far out liberals get it.

https://www.childtrends.org/indicators/children-in-poverty




1790: 3,929,214
1800: 5,308,483
1810: 7,239,881
1820: 9,638,453
1830: 12,866,020
1840: 17,069,453
1850: 23,191,876
1860: 31,443,321
1870: 38,558,371
1880: 50,189,209
1890: 62,979,766
1900: 76,212,168
1910: 92,228,496
1920: 106,021,537
1930: 123,202,624
1940: 132,164,569
1950: 151,325,798
1960: 179,323,175
1970: 203,302,031
1980: 226,542,199
1990: 248,709,873
2000: 281,421,906
2010: 307,745,538
2017: 323,148,586

[Anonymous]

We have been giving ESOL and special education to Italians, Irish and others who immigrated in big numbers in the past too.

I'm just responding to this - as a first-gen and an educator.

My family learned English ("off the boat" Italians) in night school and on their own. It was "sink or swim" through the 1960s. However, event though we formalized the process, my family didn't have the opportunity NOT to learn b/c nothing was translated for them. So they arrived poor, worked their ass*es off, and learned the language.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

We have been giving ESOL and special education to Italians, Irish and others who immigrated in big numbers in the past too.

I'm just responding to this - as a first-gen and an educator.

My family learned English ("off the boat" Italians) in night school and on their own. It was "sink or swim" through the 1960s. However, event though we formalized the process, my family didn't have the opportunity NOT to learn b/c nothing was translated for them. So they arrived poor, worked their ass*es off, and learned the language.

So you are a brown person yourself. How can you now judge the Hispanic brown people? If at all anything Italian is the closest language to Spanish.

I think any immigrants are hardworking whether they are brown immigrants from Italy or Mx, Or white immigrants from Sweden, Or black immigrants from Jamaica.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

We have been giving ESOL and special education to Italians, Irish and others who immigrated in big numbers in the past too.

I'm just responding to this - as a first-gen and an educator.

My family learned English ("off the boat" Italians) in night school and on their own. It was "sink or swim" through the 1960s. However, event though we formalized the process, my family didn't have the opportunity NOT to learn b/c nothing was translated for them. So they arrived poor, worked their ass*es off, and learned the language.

I don’t know of any first generation Hispanic who can’t speak English. They are bilingual. Why is that an issue?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

We have been giving ESOL and special education to Italians, Irish and others who immigrated in big numbers in the past too.

I'm just responding to this - as a first-gen and an educator.

My family learned English ("off the boat" Italians) in night school and on their own. It was "sink or swim" through the 1960s. However, event though we formalized the process, my family didn't have the opportunity NOT to learn b/c nothing was translated for them. So they arrived poor, worked their ass*es off, and learned the language.

I don’t know of any first generation Hispanic who can’t speak English. They are bilingual. Why is that an issue?

POP da bubble!

[Anonymous]

16:53 If you delve into the census data of red counties in blue states: you'll find n/a for the levels of poverty. Knowing the states I'm thinking about as I do, the levels of poverty are staggering.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is the data from pew, pure data people without agenda, from this month with facts about illegal immigration. It is actually at a low point compared to a peak in bush years.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/12/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/

So toward the end of Bush's presidency, the US had about 300m people. Now it's about 327m.

So as the US continues to grow, at what point do we say enough? And if there's a gap between whites and blacks/Hispanics, do you think that gap is growing smaller? lol - Think again. So as we welcome more and more into our country, we cannot address the poverty that already exists, as resources eventually run out.

This is really common sense, but I don't think the far out liberals get it.

https://www.childtrends.org/indicators/children-in-poverty




1790: 3,929,214
1800: 5,308,483
1810: 7,239,881
1820: 9,638,453
1830: 12,866,020
1840: 17,069,453
1850: 23,191,876
1860: 31,443,321
1870: 38,558,371
1880: 50,189,209
1890: 62,979,766
1900: 76,212,168
1910: 92,228,496
1920: 106,021,537
1930: 123,202,624
1940: 132,164,569
1950: 151,325,798
1960: 179,323,175
1970: 203,302,031
1980: 226,542,199
1990: 248,709,873
2000: 281,421,906
2010: 307,745,538
2017: 323,148,586

Income inequality caused by tax cut after tax cuts to the rich is the issue that you are ignoring and root cause of many issues in America.

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://media.newyorker.com/photos/590951552179605b11ad2f98/master/w_727,c_limit/chart-01.jpg&imgrefurl=https://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/pikettys-inequality-story-in-six-charts&tbnid=yquQEmJRcLtJUM&vet=1&docid=9TVl6GH8LGzcTM&w=580&h=387&hl=en-us&source=sh/x/im

You see how the income inequality raises after 1980 because of Reagan tax cuts and raises everyone there is a tax cut . Piketty has done enormous research exposing the fraud of trickle down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

We have been giving ESOL and special education to Italians, Irish and others who immigrated in big numbers in the past too.

I'm just responding to this - as a first-gen and an educator.

My family learned English ("off the boat" Italians) in night school and on their own. It was "sink or swim" through the 1960s. However, event though we formalized the process, my family didn't have the opportunity NOT to learn b/c nothing was translated for them. So they arrived poor, worked their ass*es off, and learned the language.

So you are a brown person yourself. How can you now judge the Hispanic brown people? If at all anything Italian is the closest language to Spanish.

I think any immigrants are hardworking whether they are brown immigrants from Italy or Mx, Or white immigrants from Sweden, Or black immigrants from Jamaica.

Italians are not considered brown, and not all of us have olive complexions.

I am not judging; I am stating facts. My family didn't have it easy coming over. Once they arrived, they did everything they could to retain their culture w/in the home (and among their family and friends), but outside of the home, they were proud Americans.

You see - there came a point when building resilience and resourcefulness in people was replaced by enabling. I see it in the school system. We have created a Me Me nation where many are expecting handouts. You don't build people up by giving them everything.

Enter through legal avenues.
Learn English.
Work your a** off.
Be a role model for your kids.

Not all people are the same. I have had many students - majority Hispanic and African - who agree with me. When you enter a new country, you bend for the country, as it's providing you opportunities you supposedly didn't have in your country of birth, right? b/c if life was so good back home, why leave?

My family escaped poverty. My father barely had a home; it was crumbling. Christmas gits consisted of winter fruits. When he was alive, he had fond memories of Italy despite the obstacles that faced him, but he was proud of his accomplishments in the U. S. (Mom was luckier in that she was a "middle class" Italian, but the family knew that they could move ahead in the States.)

So the neo-libs can preach it all they want! You don't speak for all of us. And that assumption that we're all the same will be a negative force in 2020.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

We have been giving ESOL and special education to Italians, Irish and others who immigrated in big numbers in the past too.

I'm just responding to this - as a first-gen and an educator.

My family learned English ("off the boat" Italians) in night school and on their own. It was "sink or swim" through the 1960s. However, event though we formalized the process, my family didn't have the opportunity NOT to learn b/c nothing was translated for them. So they arrived poor, worked their ass*es off, and learned the language.

I don’t know of any first generation Hispanic who can’t speak English. They are bilingual. Why is that an issue?

depends on your definition of English, I suppose

Many native born students can barely read and write. When English is taught in the classroom but not reinforced at home, there are issues using the standard English on a daily basis.

too many factors to get into - But the lowered standards in our educational system are destroying how our young people communicate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

We have been giving ESOL and special education to Italians, Irish and others who immigrated in big numbers in the past too.

I'm just responding to this - as a first-gen and an educator.

My family learned English ("off the boat" Italians) in night school and on their own. It was "sink or swim" through the 1960s. However, event though we formalized the process, my family didn't have the opportunity NOT to learn b/c nothing was translated for them. So they arrived poor, worked their ass*es off, and learned the language.

I don’t know of any first generation Hispanic who can’t speak English. They are bilingual. Why is that an issue?

POP da bubble!

Uh no

I'm 17:59. Maybe you should read up on the literacy rates in the US and how many students can't pass a typical standardized test before you come at me with "POP da bubble."

It's the, not da. Furthermore, you're using a fragment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

We have been giving ESOL and special education to Italians, Irish and others who immigrated in big numbers in the past too.

I'm just responding to this - as a first-gen and an educator.

My family learned English ("off the boat" Italians) in night school and on their own. It was "sink or swim" through the 1960s. However, event though we formalized the process, my family didn't have the opportunity NOT to learn b/c nothing was translated for them. So they arrived poor, worked their ass*es off, and learned the language.

I don’t know of any first generation Hispanic who can’t speak English. They are bilingual. Why is that an issue?

POP da bubble!

Uh no

I'm 17:59. Maybe you should read up on the literacy rates in the US and how many students can't pass a typical standardized test before you come at me with "POP da bubble."

It's the, not da. Furthermore, you're using a fragment.

***applause***

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

We have been giving ESOL and special education to Italians, Irish and others who immigrated in big numbers in the past too.

I'm just responding to this - as a first-gen and an educator.

My family learned English ("off the boat" Italians) in night school and on their own. It was "sink or swim" through the 1960s. However, event though we formalized the process, my family didn't have the opportunity NOT to learn b/c nothing was translated for them. So they arrived poor, worked their ass*es off, and learned the language.

I don’t know of any first generation Hispanic who can’t speak English. They are bilingual. Why is that an issue?

depends on your definition of English, I suppose

Many native born students can barely read and write. When English is taught in the classroom but not reinforced at home, there are issues using the standard English on a daily basis.

too many factors to get into - But the lowered standards in our educational system are destroying how our young people communicate.

Exactly.