Baby Now or Wait 2 Years?

Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:these nurses boasting about their certificates are like general contractors boasting about making hundreds of thousands of dollars.

i was a top student at a top college. many people went to professional and graduate schools; not a single one went to nursing (maybe they should have. clearly the fields is full of morons)

also: nursing journals are where you send your junk that gets rejected by medical journals.


The U.S. is on the verge of a major nursing shortage and despite your lack of respect for the profession, they play an integral role in our health care system. Your comment is incredibly condescending and there is no doubt that perpetuation of this negativity is contributing to the impending shortage. Some of the best schools in the nation (such as Georgetown and Duke, for example) offer CRNA graduate programs and I would guess that graduates from your top college would be pleased to attend one of those prestigious programs if obtaining such a degree was their passion. I am not a nurse, but I have relied on their expertise and appreciated their compassion many times in my life.


there are some top schools who issue diplomas in landscaping and real estate.

in any case there is nothing wrong with nursing, obviously, it's a very useful profession and for many a satisfying job. the problem is that this particular nurse is acting like she is training for an astronaut and constantly lecturing more experienced career women that we can't possibly fathom the difficulty of her two-year program.
Anonymous
Adoption - after having 2 kids at age 38 or so!
Doubt you understand the arduous process of adoption!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised no one has pointed out the choppy spacing on OP's previous commitments. She went to college, then nannied for five years, then went to school to do retail pharmacy (in an early post, OP said she went to nursing school - wonder if that was a typo or if she wasn't a full fledged pharmacist), then worked for two years and hates it. Met her DH three years ago and got married. Now wants to go back to school. OP seems like she lacks focus or maturity about just doing something *anything* for more than a few years. Her "I've got everything so figured out" attitude that several people noted makes her seem *off* just adds to this weirdness. For someone who is so perfect, she hasn't shown it through a commitment to anything. It all just seems off.

I'd bet that OP goes to school, has a baby at the end , her DH is busy with work, she works a year or so half heartedly maybe has another baby, and then quits and stays home. And then fast forward five years and her cycle will continue with some new great idea that she just has to do.



Op here. I came back to answer a couple of questions. You must have misread or I didn't explain enough. I started pharmacy school at 19. It's a 6 year program. I graduated at 25 and worked in the field for two years. I was a nanny while putting myself through pharmacy school. I hated it. I enrolled in nursing school at 27 to pursue CRNA. I graduated at 30, and now about to start my CRNA program.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, why not do med school if you are so smart? Oh yeah, you aren't.


She probably went to pharmacy to begin with because she couldn't make the med school. Then she realized she cared less about prestige than about the day to day work. But will still insist nursing is like a totally prestigious incredibly competitive profession.



You're ignorant. I'm not OP but I'm a doctor. I wonder what you you do that you feel you're superior? Is nursing hard? Yes. Is it prestigious? No. Is CRNA hard and prestigious? Yes. You are completely ignorant to what a CRNA even does or how hard the work to become one. A CRNA deals with ICU patients by checking vitals, intubating, standing in for anesthesiologists, etc., but no, they and OP are dumb. Spend one day in that life and then tell me how easy it is.


Geez, your grammar is atrocious. You’re a doctor? I guess doctors just aren’t very smart nowadays. OP, you sound ridiculous. You’ve only been married for 3 years to a lawyer on partner track who wants 3-4 kids? He may be indulging your silly idea now to become a CRNA and have 3 kids later, but let’s see what happens 3 years later when you’re struggling to deliver on your promise. He’ll find a younger, hotter wife and breeder so fast...



Op here. I have to laugh at this dumb response. I wanted to be a CRNA before I even met my husband. He fully supports me. We are very happily married. I am wise enough to know you don't have a child when you're not ready for one, or you don't think you can handle it. You may be fine with a nanny or daycare raising your children, but I'm not.


If you wanted to become a crna before you even met your husband, why didn’t you do the program before? You could have finished it by now. Did you not get in? Honestly, it sounds like you’re a dumb trophy wife that your husband primarily married to have kids. I bet he doesn’t know about the egg freezing. Who freezes their eggs when they’re 19 just for kicks? Seriously that’s just weird.


Op here. Do you know what a CRNA is? I had to get my BSN, and work a year in ICU in order to go for CRNA. That takes 6 years to complete. I was previously a pharmacist, but hated it.

I didn't get my eggs frozen for " kicks". I explained why in other posts. I am not from DC, and got my eggs frozen where I was born. It is true that they will likely be unusable.

I am not a trophy anything. Last time I checked, trophy wives don't have a PharmD.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:these nurses boasting about their certificates are like general contractors boasting about making hundreds of thousands of dollars.

i was a top student at a top college. many people went to professional and graduate schools; not a single one went to nursing (maybe they should have. clearly the fields is full of morons)

also: nursing journals are where you send your junk that gets rejected by medical journals.


The U.S. is on the verge of a major nursing shortage and despite your lack of respect for the profession, they play an integral role in our health care system. Your comment is incredibly condescending and there is no doubt that perpetuation of this negativity is contributing to the impending shortage. Some of the best schools in the nation (such as Georgetown and Duke, for example) offer CRNA graduate programs and I would guess that graduates from your top college would be pleased to attend one of those prestigious programs if obtaining such a degree was their passion. I am not a nurse, but I have relied on their expertise and appreciated their compassion many times in my life.



Op here. Thank you! Unlike what they think, I never out down their careers. I defended mine against the rude comments that nursing isn't a tough job. Even though other medical professionals advised me I can't have a baby and go to school, they say a CRNA, which is different than a general nurse, isn't tough. Even though they don't know anything about a CRNA program or what they do.
Anonymous
Typical liberals bullying OP but then whine about bullying. I am with you, OP. I second the pp who said you are realistic about what you can handle. I don't understand how a bunch of mothers don't see the point you have made. Children are tough, and I commend you in realizing that and waiting until you can focus on them. You're realistic that parenthood is not all rainbows and sunshine. It's the most rewarding, and the toughest thing I have ever done.
Anonymous
My prediction:
She puts DH off for a year, then tells him school is too hard and puts it off for another year, then they finally get around to trying at age 35, at which point it takes a while either to conceive or for it to stick, meanwhile she is trying to jumpstart her career...

Maybe she’ll get lucky and get pregnant quickly and he won’t have what it takes to make partner and will end up moving to something more family-friendly, but if she hits 37 before having a baby and he makes partner...he will find someone younger who actually wants a family.
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Anonymous wrote:I'm so confused. How are you going to have 2-4 children in a short time frame, not burdening your MIL, with a partner husband working long hours - without a nanny or daycare?


+1

I know OP said she's signing off this thread, but I'm also deeply curious to know the answer to this.


+2. OP said "You might be okay with your children being raised by a nanny or daycare, but I'm not." The being so worried / wanting kids so much that she froze her eggs at 19 but is now casually pushing off TTC until mid-30s is confusing to me, but THIS is where there's just such a big disconnect that I'm truly baffled and just not understanding OP.


+3 not getting this, at all. OP?

And to your recent response: what we are taking issue with is that you have made many comments making it clear that you think what you are trying to do is exceptional or extraordinary around here. Yes your program is competitive, but many of us have both completed very strenuous competitive academic programs AND had children, so we certainly know what we're talking about and are giving you good insight. Which is allegedly what you came here seeking.

Your situation is not extraordinary, except maybe for the fact that you are getting both your career AND your family started so late. You will come to find that when it comes to babies (conceiving them, carrying them, raising them, meeting their needs on a daily basis), the reality is MUCH less cut and dry and easy pray planned out than it currently is in your mind. We all know this, and are telling you what we would do / wish we would have done if your age
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:My prediction:
She puts DH off for a year, then tells him school is too hard and puts it off for another year, then they finally get around to trying at age 35, at which point it takes a while either to conceive or for it to stick, meanwhile she is trying to jumpstart her career...

Maybe she’ll get lucky and get pregnant quickly and he won’t have what it takes to make partner and will end up moving to something more family-friendly, but if she hits 37 before having a baby and he makes partner...he will find someone younger who actually wants a family.


Mine: a) she does not actually want kids, just feels like she should and knows her husband does. BAAAD road ahead there; that relationship will not make it. Or b) she will hit a point, soon, where her biological clock (or social circle clock, or both) kicks in, and ahe suddenly DOES want a baby, and stat (and not just in the abstract / claiming she can't wait to be a mom, like she is now). She will realize she's 35 and have a little fertility freakout and want to start NOW. And then she will either half-heartedly try to focus on "the plan" while in reality she drives herself crazy. Or she will decide just to go for it and school / starting out in this new career will take a major backseat as her priorities shift entirely
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My prediction:
She puts DH off for a year, then tells him school is too hard and puts it off for another year, then they finally get around to trying at age 35, at which point it takes a while either to conceive or for it to stick, meanwhile she is trying to jumpstart her career...

Maybe she’ll get lucky and get pregnant quickly and he won’t have what it takes to make partner and will end up moving to something more family-friendly, but if she hits 37 before having a baby and he makes partner...he will find someone younger who actually wants a family.


Mine: a) she does not actually want kids, just feels like she should and knows her husband does. BAAAD road ahead there; that relationship will not make it. Or b) she will hit a point, soon, where her biological clock (or social circle clock, or both) kicks in, and ahe suddenly DOES want a baby, and stat (and not just in the abstract / claiming she can't wait to be a mom, like she is now). She will realize she's 35 and have a little fertility freakout and want to start NOW. And then she will either half-heartedly try to focus on "the plan" while in reality she drives herself crazy. Or she will decide just to go for it and school / starting out in this new career will take a major backseat as her priorities shift entirely



There is nothing wrong with having children 35+. I had my kids at 40 and 42. I got pregnant easily and has super easy pregnancies. You are way to dramatic with having children over 35 stance. You don't sound very bright or well informed.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:I'm so confused. How are you going to have 2-4 children in a short time frame, not burdening your MIL, with a partner husband working long hours - without a nanny or daycare?


+1

I know OP said she's signing off this thread, but I'm also deeply curious to know the answer to this.


+2. OP said "You might be okay with your children being raised by a nanny or daycare, but I'm not." The being so worried / wanting kids so much that she froze her eggs at 19 but is now casually pushing off TTC until mid-30s is confusing to me, but THIS is where there's just such a big disconnect that I'm truly baffled and just not understanding OP.


+3 not getting this, at all. OP?

And to your recent response: what we are taking issue with is that you have made many comments making it clear that you think what you are trying to do is exceptional or extraordinary around here. Yes your program is competitive, but many of us have both completed very strenuous competitive academic programs AND had children, so we certainly know what we're talking about and are giving you good insight. Which is allegedly what you came here seeking.

Your situation is not extraordinary, except maybe for the fact that you are getting both your career AND your family started so late. You will come to find that when it comes to babies (conceiving them, carrying them, raising them, meeting their needs on a daily basis), the reality is MUCH less cut and dry and easy pray planned out than it currently is in your mind. We all know this, and are telling you what we would do / wish we would have done if your age


+1
Anonymous
Op, I commend you for knowing parenthood isn't easy, and realizing you are not ready to be a parent. I think many have kids anyway because it's the rugby age, instead of weighing out if they really can handle it. I do think you're at a perfect age to start, but that doesn't mean you should. I think you should wait until you are ready. As for your DH, I think the pressure from family and friends might be pushing him to want to have a baby. If he genuinely wants one, I agree the plan to wait a year. As much as he wants one, you will be doing most of work, from being pregnant to general newborn care.


I had my first at 32, while finishing up residency. Though I don't regret my choice, I do wish I had waited until I was done. Being pregnant and caring for a baby during residency was tough. I was working 80 hours a week, and it was exhausting. I urge you to wait. I am 35 and pregnant with my second child. I feel more ready now. Get your education done and it will fall into place.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Op, I commend you for knowing parenthood isn't easy, and realizing you are not ready to be a parent. I think many have kids anyway because it's the rugby age, instead of weighing out if they really can handle it. I do think you're at a perfect age to start, but that doesn't mean you should. I think you should wait until you are ready. As for your DH, I think the pressure from family and friends might be pushing him to want to have a baby. If he genuinely wants one, I agree the plan to wait a year. As much as he wants one, you will be doing most of work, from being pregnant to general newborn care.


I had my first at 32, while finishing up residency. Though I don't regret my choice, I do wish I had waited until I was done. Being pregnant and caring for a baby during residency was tough. I was working 80 hours a week, and it was exhausting. I urge you to wait. I am 35 and pregnant with my second child. I feel more ready now. Get your education done and it will fall into place.


Or, it won't. No one knows if it'll work out for OP or not. But I do agree that she should wait because she is not ready since she has other priorities right now.
Anonymous
As a couple of recent posters have mentioned, OP needs to be cognizant of the difference in options as men and women age. It's extremely clear her husband strongly want a to be a dad. At 38 or 39, he will have plenty of options to go find a late 20s woman to be with. Obviously I sincerely hope that doesn't happen, but if OP finds reasons to put off kids more than a year (and it would be understandable in the middle of a demanding education and work schedule), he has options.

On the other hand, women's options generally shrink as they get into mid 30s.

OP, being a mom clearly isn't a priority for you right now. That's ok. But I worry about your priorities and your husband's not being matched up. I truly don't think you're going to be in a situation where suddenly the time feels right a year from now.

If you're 40, and you could ONLY choose between being a CRNA or a mom, which would you pick? Act accordingly. I hope that you don't have to make that choice, but putting off kids if you want them at your age and the situation with your husband is foolish.
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Anonymous wrote:Op here. I am fine with having 1 or 2 and adopting if needed. Like I previously stated, I am well aware of the risks, but they are greatly overblown. Women of any age can have complications. Yes, 35 and had increased risks, but it's not as bad as some of you are making seem. I'm in very good health, and I have worked with many women who have had children as late as their 40's. I've also had 3 sets of couple friend who started at 32-35, and had 2-3 in the span of 1.5 - 5 years. My closest friend had her children at 34 and got pregnant with her second at 8 months old. It can happen.


Adoption is a lot more complicated and time consuming than you seem to think. It's not like you can just go to Walmart and pick up a baby while you're getting paper towels or whatever at age 38.

This forum skews toward older women who statistically have a harder time getting pregnant. I had my first at 28 after being off birth control for 3 whole weeks. Started TTC #2 when #1 was 18 months old and spent the next year and a half having miscarriage after unexplained miscarriage (3 total).

The word for your stories above is "anecdata." It sounds scientific but it's not. It's just stories of people you know and their experiences.

Perhaps you could compromise at waiting a year and change and then TTC. It'll still take almost a year between when you decide to do that and when the baby arrives.


+1 YES! Adoptive mom, here, and you don't just casually say, "adopt, if needed." Educate yourself on adoption. And realize that it's about finding a home for a child, not supplying a baby to a family.
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