An explanation and request from a mom of a kid with autism

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Having read through this entire thread in one go was entertaining and also extremely heartbreaking. I work with children with visible and invisible disabilities.
For those asking for specific examples of overaction:

1) At the pool, Child A said "we don't want to play with you anymore"- quote from a tv show as that is how A communicates. I moved away to give A space. Random parent starts talking loudly about disrespectful children and incompetent caregivers who don't 'nip that behavior in the bud"
2) At the playground, Child B is climbing up and down a structure. Other kids come over and hang out on various points preventing B from moving up or down. I politely ask them to give B a chance to get off as B is quickly becoming overwhelmed and near tears. Child moves, allowing me to remove B from the situation- parent of one of the kids yells at me for "letting B be a crybaby"
3) At the pool, Child C meltdowns while in the water. Lifeguards are aware of the children I work with and check with pre-arranged signals to see if I need assistance. I love Child C to a safe spot where C won't harm the self or others. Several parents remark "What is wrong with C?" "Kids like that shouldn't be at the pool"
4) In a restaurant, Child D is standing and stimming while eating a slice of pizza. Family specifically chose a table out of the way of others. Some kids laugh and point it out (nbd) and their parents say something to the effect of "yeah that's weird. I know you would never act so naughty".

I have also experienced times out with clients where I've been met with compassion and empathy by shop owners, parents, caregivers. But it is the instances of intolerance that sting because what looks like horrible behavior could be a child having a great day for them behavior wise--i.e. crying instead of lashing out and hitting , spinning instead of running. It is definitely not ok to just let kids do whatever, but I can certainly see where OP is coming from. Obviously everyone has their own challenges. The problem comes when the best thing for the child is to have a neutral or non-reaction and other people demand justice.
Child D spits on them self and on objects. At the park, D spat on the slide. Without assigning a value to it, D was instructed and assisted in cleaning and sanitizing the slide (wiping it with a Clorox wipe, drying it with a paper towel). Once it has been repaired, D is free to continue playing with an accommodation (a chew) and an acknowledgment that spit stays in their own mouth. That work is undone by a parent telling D "you're a disgusting little boy." "Spitting is wrong". I get that it's gross, but it done for the reaction and giving one because the plan doesn't fit your sense of correction, undoes a lot of work. I can understand OP's frustration if they are encountering that (undoing of hard earned progress) all the time.

Fascinating!

Now how do you respond when child A, B. C, orD snatches a toy from another kid, hits another kid, growls at another kid or spits on another kid?

Do you feel that in those situations particular the spitting the arent of the other child has a right to be annoyed?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Having read through this entire thread in one go was entertaining and also extremely heartbreaking. I work with children with visible and invisible disabilities.
For those asking for specific examples of overaction:

1) At the pool, Child A said "we don't want to play with you anymore"- quote from a tv show as that is how A communicates. I moved away to give A space. Random parent starts talking loudly about disrespectful children and incompetent caregivers who don't 'nip that behavior in the bud"
2) At the playground, Child B is climbing up and down a structure. Other kids come over and hang out on various points preventing B from moving up or down. I politely ask them to give B a chance to get off as B is quickly becoming overwhelmed and near tears. Child moves, allowing me to remove B from the situation- parent of one of the kids yells at me for "letting B be a crybaby"
3) At the pool, Child C meltdowns while in the water. Lifeguards are aware of the children I work with and check with pre-arranged signals to see if I need assistance. I love Child C to a safe spot where C won't harm the self or others. Several parents remark "What is wrong with C?" "Kids like that shouldn't be at the pool"
4) In a restaurant, Child D is standing and stimming while eating a slice of pizza. Family specifically chose a table out of the way of others. Some kids laugh and point it out (nbd) and their parents say something to the effect of "yeah that's weird. I know you would never act so naughty".

I have also experienced times out with clients where I've been met with compassion and empathy by shop owners, parents, caregivers. But it is the instances of intolerance that sting because what looks like horrible behavior could be a child having a great day for them behavior wise--i.e. crying instead of lashing out and hitting , spinning instead of running. It is definitely not ok to just let kids do whatever, but I can certainly see where OP is coming from. Obviously everyone has their own challenges. The problem comes when the best thing for the child is to have a neutral or non-reaction and other people demand justice.
Child D spits on them self and on objects. At the park, D spat on the slide. Without assigning a value to it, D was instructed and assisted in cleaning and sanitizing the slide (wiping it with a Clorox wipe, drying it with a paper towel). Once it has been repaired, D is free to continue playing with an accommodation (a chew) and an acknowledgment that spit stays in their own mouth. That work is undone by a parent telling D "you're a disgusting little boy." "Spitting is wrong". I get that it's gross, but it done for the reaction and giving one because the plan doesn't fit your sense of correction, undoes a lot of work. I can understand OP's frustration if they are encountering that (undoing of hard earned progress) all the time.

Fascinating!

Now how do you respond when child A, B. C, orD snatches a toy from another kid, hits another kid, growls at another kid or spits on another kid?

Do you feel that in those situations particular the spitting the arent of the other child has a right to be annoyed?

I am sorry, why exactly are you being so sarcastic and aggressive here? You do realize these are disabled children, right? I mean, you need to get some perspective here. You truly do. Professionals that work with disabled children are amazing and doing work that deserves credit. I have never, in real life, heard anyone feel free to be this unapologetically terrible, and I really wish you could be outed.

"Annoyed". Okay. Its also annoying when NT kids grab toys, push, kick, hit, scream, ruin dinners, are annoying. Stuff they're out there doing on a regular basis. So, sure, feel free to be annoyed.

It has been said hundreds of times that nobody is allowing hitting, snatching, or scaring.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am not putting my kid in a floatie because there are other kids with autism out there. That's insane.

Wait I don't understand how that was written. Am I supposed to put my smaller kid in a floaty or NOT put them in it? I'm so confused.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Having read through this entire thread in one go was entertaining and also extremely heartbreaking. I work with children with visible and invisible disabilities.
For those asking for specific examples of overaction:

1) At the pool, Child A said "we don't want to play with you anymore"- quote from a tv show as that is how A communicates. I moved away to give A space. Random parent starts talking loudly about disrespectful children and incompetent caregivers who don't 'nip that behavior in the bud"
2) At the playground, Child B is climbing up and down a structure. Other kids come over and hang out on various points preventing B from moving up or down. I politely ask them to give B a chance to get off as B is quickly becoming overwhelmed and near tears. Child moves, allowing me to remove B from the situation- parent of one of the kids yells at me for "letting B be a crybaby"
3) At the pool, Child C meltdowns while in the water. Lifeguards are aware of the children I work with and check with pre-arranged signals to see if I need assistance. I love Child C to a safe spot where C won't harm the self or others. Several parents remark "What is wrong with C?" "Kids like that shouldn't be at the pool"
4) In a restaurant, Child D is standing and stimming while eating a slice of pizza. Family specifically chose a table out of the way of others. Some kids laugh and point it out (nbd) and their parents say something to the effect of "yeah that's weird. I know you would never act so naughty".

I have also experienced times out with clients where I've been met with compassion and empathy by shop owners, parents, caregivers. But it is the instances of intolerance that sting because what looks like horrible behavior could be a child having a great day for them behavior wise--i.e. crying instead of lashing out and hitting , spinning instead of running. It is definitely not ok to just let kids do whatever, but I can certainly see where OP is coming from. Obviously everyone has their own challenges. The problem comes when the best thing for the child is to have a neutral or non-reaction and other people demand justice.
Child D spits on them self and on objects. At the park, D spat on the slide. Without assigning a value to it, D was instructed and assisted in cleaning and sanitizing the slide (wiping it with a Clorox wipe, drying it with a paper towel). Once it has been repaired, D is free to continue playing with an accommodation (a chew) and an acknowledgment that spit stays in their own mouth. That work is undone by a parent telling D "you're a disgusting little boy." "Spitting is wrong". I get that it's gross, but it done for the reaction and giving one because the plan doesn't fit your sense of correction, undoes a lot of work. I can understand OP's frustration if they are encountering that (undoing of hard earned progress) all the time.

Fascinating!

Now how do you respond when child A, B. C, orD snatches a toy from another kid, hits another kid, growls at another kid or spits on another kid?

Do you feel that in those situations particular the spitting the arent of the other child has a right to be annoyed?

I am sorry, why exactly are you being so sarcastic and aggressive here? You do realize these are disabled children, right? I mean, you need to get some perspective here. You truly do. Professionals that work with disabled children are amazing and doing work that deserves credit. I have never, in real life, heard anyone feel free to be this unapologetically terrible, and I really wish you could be outed.

"Annoyed". Okay. Its also annoying when NT kids grab toys, push, kick, hit, scream, ruin dinners, are annoying. Stuff they're out there doing on a regular basis. So, sure, feel free to be annoyed.

It has been said hundreds of times that nobody is allowing hitting, snatching, or scaring.

You seem realy agressive.
OP has stated that is's not a big deal if her kid hits, growls, annd spits on someone and that parents and their kids should essentially get over it.

Given your response you feel the same way.

I'm glad to know real professionals and know that this attidute is not the norm.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Having read through this entire thread in one go was entertaining and also extremely heartbreaking. I work with children with visible and invisible disabilities.
For those asking for specific examples of overaction:

1) At the pool, Child A said "we don't want to play with you anymore"- quote from a tv show as that is how A communicates. I moved away to give A space. Random parent starts talking loudly about disrespectful children and incompetent caregivers who don't 'nip that behavior in the bud"
2) At the playground, Child B is climbing up and down a structure. Other kids come over and hang out on various points preventing B from moving up or down. I politely ask them to give B a chance to get off as B is quickly becoming overwhelmed and near tears. Child moves, allowing me to remove B from the situation- parent of one of the kids yells at me for "letting B be a crybaby"
3) At the pool, Child C meltdowns while in the water. Lifeguards are aware of the children I work with and check with pre-arranged signals to see if I need assistance. I love Child C to a safe spot where C won't harm the self or others. Several parents remark "What is wrong with C?" "Kids like that shouldn't be at the pool"
4) In a restaurant, Child D is standing and stimming while eating a slice of pizza. Family specifically chose a table out of the way of others. Some kids laugh and point it out (nbd) and their parents say something to the effect of "yeah that's weird. I know you would never act so naughty".

I have also experienced times out with clients where I've been met with compassion and empathy by shop owners, parents, caregivers. But it is the instances of intolerance that sting because what looks like horrible behavior could be a child having a great day for them behavior wise--i.e. crying instead of lashing out and hitting , spinning instead of running. It is definitely not ok to just let kids do whatever, but I can certainly see where OP is coming from. Obviously everyone has their own challenges. The problem comes when the best thing for the child is to have a neutral or non-reaction and other people demand justice.
Child D spits on them self and on objects. At the park, D spat on the slide. Without assigning a value to it, D was instructed and assisted in cleaning and sanitizing the slide (wiping it with a Clorox wipe, drying it with a paper towel). Once it has been repaired, D is free to continue playing with an accommodation (a chew) and an acknowledgment that spit stays in their own mouth. That work is undone by a parent telling D "you're a disgusting little boy." "Spitting is wrong". I get that it's gross, but it done for the reaction and giving one because the plan doesn't fit your sense of correction, undoes a lot of work. I can understand OP's frustration if they are encountering that (undoing of hard earned progress) all the time.

Fascinating!

Now how do you respond when child A, B. C, orD snatches a toy from another kid, hits another kid, growls at another kid or spits on another kid?

Do you feel that in those situations particular the spitting the arent of the other child has a right to be annoyed?

I am sorry, why exactly are you being so sarcastic and aggressive here? You do realize these are disabled children, right? I mean, you need to get some perspective here. You truly do. Professionals that work with disabled children are amazing and doing work that deserves credit. I have never, in real life, heard anyone feel free to be this unapologetically terrible, and I really wish you could be outed.

"Annoyed". Okay. Its also annoying when NT kids grab toys, push, kick, hit, scream, ruin dinners, are annoying. Stuff they're out there doing on a regular basis. So, sure, feel free to be annoyed.

It has been said hundreds of times that nobody is allowing hitting, snatching, or scaring.

You seem realy agressive.
OP has stated that is's not a big deal if her kid hits, growls, annd spits on someone and that parents and their kids should essentially get over it.

Given your response you feel the same way.

I'm glad to know real professionals and know that this attidute is not the norm.

OP here - yeah, I never said this. Not once. You cut and paste where you think I said that and you can gi ahead and win the internet.

Parents were pissed off that I suggested maybe they could not create situations that are unnecessarily challenging for all children and in particular any child with special needs.

What is amazing to me is the lack of foresight you all have. Guarantee you every single parent on here is going to need to ask for tolerance or acceptance of their child at some point in time. I hope for your childrens' sakes you are met with more than you show.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Having read through this entire thread in one go was entertaining and also extremely heartbreaking. I work with children with visible and invisible disabilities.
For those asking for specific examples of overaction:

1) At the pool, Child A said "we don't want to play with you anymore"- quote from a tv show as that is how A communicates. I moved away to give A space. Random parent starts talking loudly about disrespectful children and incompetent caregivers who don't 'nip that behavior in the bud"
2) At the playground, Child B is climbing up and down a structure. Other kids come over and hang out on various points preventing B from moving up or down. I politely ask them to give B a chance to get off as B is quickly becoming overwhelmed and near tears. Child moves, allowing me to remove B from the situation- parent of one of the kids yells at me for "letting B be a crybaby"
3) At the pool, Child C meltdowns while in the water. Lifeguards are aware of the children I work with and check with pre-arranged signals to see if I need assistance. I love Child C to a safe spot where C won't harm the self or others. Several parents remark "What is wrong with C?" "Kids like that shouldn't be at the pool"
4) In a restaurant, Child D is standing and stimming while eating a slice of pizza. Family specifically chose a table out of the way of others. Some kids laugh and point it out (nbd) and their parents say something to the effect of "yeah that's weird. I know you would never act so naughty".

I have also experienced times out with clients where I've been met with compassion and empathy by shop owners, parents, caregivers. But it is the instances of intolerance that sting because what looks like horrible behavior could be a child having a great day for them behavior wise--i.e. crying instead of lashing out and hitting , spinning instead of running. It is definitely not ok to just let kids do whatever, but I can certainly see where OP is coming from. Obviously everyone has their own challenges. The problem comes when the best thing for the child is to have a neutral or non-reaction and other people demand justice.
Child D spits on them self and on objects. At the park, D spat on the slide. Without assigning a value to it, D was instructed and assisted in cleaning and sanitizing the slide (wiping it with a Clorox wipe, drying it with a paper towel). Once it has been repaired, D is free to continue playing with an accommodation (a chew) and an acknowledgment that spit stays in their own mouth. That work is undone by a parent telling D "you're a disgusting little boy." "Spitting is wrong". I get that it's gross, but it done for the reaction and giving one because the plan doesn't fit your sense of correction, undoes a lot of work. I can understand OP's frustration if they are encountering that (undoing of hard earned progress) all the time.

Fascinating!

Now how do you respond when child A, B. C, orD snatches a toy from another kid, hits another kid, growls at another kid or spits on another kid?

Do you feel that in those situations particular the spitting the arent of the other child has a right to be annoyed?

I am sorry, why exactly are you being so sarcastic and aggressive here? You do realize these are disabled children, right? I mean, you need to get some perspective here. You truly do. Professionals that work with disabled children are amazing and doing work that deserves credit. I have never, in real life, heard anyone feel free to be this unapologetically terrible, and I really wish you could be outed.

"Annoyed". Okay. Its also annoying when NT kids grab toys, push, kick, hit, scream, ruin dinners, are annoying. Stuff they're out there doing on a regular basis. So, sure, feel free to be annoyed.

It has been said hundreds of times that nobody is allowing hitting, snatching, or scaring.

You seem realy agressive.
OP has stated that is's not a big deal if her kid hits, growls, annd spits on someone and that parents and their kids should essentially get over it.

Given your response you feel the same way.

I'm glad to know real professionals and know that this attidute is not the norm.

Yes, I am aggressively calling you out on making fun of working to help children with special needs. I assure you, you would get called out aggressively for doing that anywhere openly by normal people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Having read through this entire thread in one go was entertaining and also extremely heartbreaking. I work with children with visible and invisible disabilities.
For those asking for specific examples of overaction:

1) At the pool, Child A said "we don't want to play with you anymore"- quote from a tv show as that is how A communicates. I moved away to give A space. Random parent starts talking loudly about disrespectful children and incompetent caregivers who don't 'nip that behavior in the bud"
2) At the playground, Child B is climbing up and down a structure. Other kids come over and hang out on various points preventing B from moving up or down. I politely ask them to give B a chance to get off as B is quickly becoming overwhelmed and near tears. Child moves, allowing me to remove B from the situation- parent of one of the kids yells at me for "letting B be a crybaby"
3) At the pool, Child C meltdowns while in the water. Lifeguards are aware of the children I work with and check with pre-arranged signals to see if I need assistance. I love Child C to a safe spot where C won't harm the self or others. Several parents remark "What is wrong with C?" "Kids like that shouldn't be at the pool"
4) In a restaurant, Child D is standing and stimming while eating a slice of pizza. Family specifically chose a table out of the way of others. Some kids laugh and point it out (nbd) and their parents say something to the effect of "yeah that's weird. I know you would never act so naughty".

I have also experienced times out with clients where I've been met with compassion and empathy by shop owners, parents, caregivers. But it is the instances of intolerance that sting because what looks like horrible behavior could be a child having a great day for them behavior wise--i.e. crying instead of lashing out and hitting , spinning instead of running. It is definitely not ok to just let kids do whatever, but I can certainly see where OP is coming from. Obviously everyone has their own challenges. The problem comes when the best thing for the child is to have a neutral or non-reaction and other people demand justice.
Child D spits on them self and on objects. At the park, D spat on the slide. Without assigning a value to it, D was instructed and assisted in cleaning and sanitizing the slide (wiping it with a Clorox wipe, drying it with a paper towel). Once it has been repaired, D is free to continue playing with an accommodation (a chew) and an acknowledgment that spit stays in their own mouth. That work is undone by a parent telling D "you're a disgusting little boy." "Spitting is wrong". I get that it's gross, but it done for the reaction and giving one because the plan doesn't fit your sense of correction, undoes a lot of work. I can understand OP's frustration if they are encountering that (undoing of hard earned progress) all the time.

Fascinating!

Now how do you respond when child A, B. C, orD snatches a toy from another kid, hits another kid, growls at another kid or spits on another kid?

Do you feel that in those situations particular the spitting the arent of the other child has a right to be annoyed?

I am sorry, why exactly are you being so sarcastic and aggressive here? You do realize these are disabled children, right? I mean, you need to get some perspective here. You truly do. Professionals that work with disabled children are amazing and doing work that deserves credit. I have never, in real life, heard anyone feel free to be this unapologetically terrible, and I really wish you could be outed.

"Annoyed". Okay. Its also annoying when NT kids grab toys, push, kick, hit, scream, ruin dinners, are annoying. Stuff they're out there doing on a regular basis. So, sure, feel free to be annoyed.

It has been said hundreds of times that nobody is allowing hitting, snatching, or scaring.

You seem realy agressive.
OP has stated that is's not a big deal if her kid hits, growls, annd spits on someone and that parents and their kids should essentially get over it.

Given your response you feel the same way.

I'm glad to know real professionals and know that this attidute is not the norm.

OP here - yeah, I never said this. Not once. You cut and paste where you think I said that and you can gi ahead and win the internet.

Parents were pissed off that I suggested maybe they could not create situations that are unnecessarily challenging for all children and in particular any child with special needs.

What is amazing to me is the lack of foresight you all have. Guarantee you every single parent on here is going to need to ask for tolerance or acceptance of their child at some point in time. I hope for your childrens' sakes you are met with more than you show.

You did OP.
You've probably forgotten but you did.
also thank you for outing yourself as the "therapist".
Personally, I think you started this entire thread to create drama and get your jollies from riling people up. , which you did succeed in doing that so congrats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Having read through this entire thread in one go was entertaining and also extremely heartbreaking. I work with children with visible and invisible disabilities.
For those asking for specific examples of overaction:

1) At the pool, Child A said "we don't want to play with you anymore"- quote from a tv show as that is how A communicates. I moved away to give A space. Random parent starts talking loudly about disrespectful children and incompetent caregivers who don't 'nip that behavior in the bud"
2) At the playground, Child B is climbing up and down a structure. Other kids come over and hang out on various points preventing B from moving up or down. I politely ask them to give B a chance to get off as B is quickly becoming overwhelmed and near tears. Child moves, allowing me to remove B from the situation- parent of one of the kids yells at me for "letting B be a crybaby"
3) At the pool, Child C meltdowns while in the water. Lifeguards are aware of the children I work with and check with pre-arranged signals to see if I need assistance. I love Child C to a safe spot where C won't harm the self or others. Several parents remark "What is wrong with C?" "Kids like that shouldn't be at the pool"
4) In a restaurant, Child D is standing and stimming while eating a slice of pizza. Family specifically chose a table out of the way of others. Some kids laugh and point it out (nbd) and their parents say something to the effect of "yeah that's weird. I know you would never act so naughty".

I have also experienced times out with clients where I've been met with compassion and empathy by shop owners, parents, caregivers. But it is the instances of intolerance that sting because what looks like horrible behavior could be a child having a great day for them behavior wise--i.e. crying instead of lashing out and hitting , spinning instead of running. It is definitely not ok to just let kids do whatever, but I can certainly see where OP is coming from. Obviously everyone has their own challenges. The problem comes when the best thing for the child is to have a neutral or non-reaction and other people demand justice.
Child D spits on them self and on objects. At the park, D spat on the slide. Without assigning a value to it, D was instructed and assisted in cleaning and sanitizing the slide (wiping it with a Clorox wipe, drying it with a paper towel). Once it has been repaired, D is free to continue playing with an accommodation (a chew) and an acknowledgment that spit stays in their own mouth. That work is undone by a parent telling D "you're a disgusting little boy." "Spitting is wrong". I get that it's gross, but it done for the reaction and giving one because the plan doesn't fit your sense of correction, undoes a lot of work. I can understand OP's frustration if they are encountering that (undoing of hard earned progress) all the time.

Fascinating!

Now how do you respond when child A, B. C, orD snatches a toy from another kid, hits another kid, growls at another kid or spits on another kid?

Do you feel that in those situations particular the spitting the arent of the other child has a right to be annoyed?

I am sorry, why exactly are you being so sarcastic and aggressive here? You do realize these are disabled children, right? I mean, you need to get some perspective here. You truly do. Professionals that work with disabled children are amazing and doing work that deserves credit. I have never, in real life, heard anyone feel free to be this unapologetically terrible, and I really wish you could be outed.

"Annoyed". Okay. Its also annoying when NT kids grab toys, push, kick, hit, scream, ruin dinners, are annoying. Stuff they're out there doing on a regular basis. So, sure, feel free to be annoyed.

It has been said hundreds of times that nobody is allowing hitting, snatching, or scaring.

You seem realy agressive.
OP has stated that is's not a big deal if her kid hits, growls, annd spits on someone and that parents and their kids should essentially get over it.

Given your response you feel the same way.

I'm glad to know real professionals and know that this attidute is not the norm.

OP here - yeah, I never said this. Not once. You cut and paste where you think I said that and you can gi ahead and win the internet.

Parents were pissed off that I suggested maybe they could not create situations that are unnecessarily challenging for all children and in particular any child with special needs.

What is amazing to me is the lack of foresight you all have. Guarantee you every single parent on here is going to need to ask for tolerance or acceptance of their child at some point in time. I hope for your childrens' sakes you are met with more than you show.

You did OP.
You've probably forgotten but you did.
also thank you for outing yourself as the "therapist".
Personally, I think you started this entire thread to create drama and get your jollies from riling people up. , which you did succeed in doing that so congrats.

You go ahead and show me that. I am waiting.

And no, I am not the "therapist". There are actually people out there that work with children with special needs. They have a little more experience with all of this than you do. I know, its cray!

And no, no jollies. The intense fear and anger some parents have of children with special needs is hardly "jolly."

[Anonymous]

And no one has done more to hurt the special needs community than OP and this insane thread. I truly hope I never meet you in real life, OP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And no one has done more to hurt the special needs community than OP and this insane thread. I truly hope I never meet you in real life, OP.

That's not pure hyperbole at all! Who knows, you may well have.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Having read through this entire thread in one go was entertaining and also extremely heartbreaking. I work with children with visible and invisible disabilities.
For those asking for specific examples of overaction:

1) At the pool, Child A said "we don't want to play with you anymore"- quote from a tv show as that is how A communicates. I moved away to give A space. Random parent starts talking loudly about disrespectful children and incompetent caregivers who don't 'nip that behavior in the bud"
2) At the playground, Child B is climbing up and down a structure. Other kids come over and hang out on various points preventing B from moving up or down. I politely ask them to give B a chance to get off as B is quickly becoming overwhelmed and near tears. Child moves, allowing me to remove B from the situation- parent of one of the kids yells at me for "letting B be a crybaby"
3) At the pool, Child C meltdowns while in the water. Lifeguards are aware of the children I work with and check with pre-arranged signals to see if I need assistance. I love Child C to a safe spot where C won't harm the self or others. Several parents remark "What is wrong with C?" "Kids like that shouldn't be at the pool"
4) In a restaurant, Child D is standing and stimming while eating a slice of pizza. Family specifically chose a table out of the way of others. Some kids laugh and point it out (nbd) and their parents say something to the effect of "yeah that's weird. I know you would never act so naughty".

I have also experienced times out with clients where I've been met with compassion and empathy by shop owners, parents, caregivers. But it is the instances of intolerance that sting because what looks like horrible behavior could be a child having a great day for them behavior wise--i.e. crying instead of lashing out and hitting , spinning instead of running. It is definitely not ok to just let kids do whatever, but I can certainly see where OP is coming from. Obviously everyone has their own challenges. The problem comes when the best thing for the child is to have a neutral or non-reaction and other people demand justice.
Child D spits on them self and on objects. At the park, D spat on the slide. Without assigning a value to it, D was instructed and assisted in cleaning and sanitizing the slide (wiping it with a Clorox wipe, drying it with a paper towel). Once it has been repaired, D is free to continue playing with an accommodation (a chew) and an acknowledgment that spit stays in their own mouth. That work is undone by a parent telling D "you're a disgusting little boy." "Spitting is wrong". I get that it's gross, but it done for the reaction and giving one because the plan doesn't fit your sense of correction, undoes a lot of work. I can understand OP's frustration if they are encountering that (undoing of hard earned progress) all the time.

Fascinating!

Now how do you respond when child A, B. C, orD snatches a toy from another kid, hits another kid, growls at another kid or spits on another kid?

Do you feel that in those situations particular the spitting the arent of the other child has a right to be annoyed?

I am sorry, why exactly are you being so sarcastic and aggressive here? You do realize these are disabled children, right? I mean, you need to get some perspective here. You truly do. Professionals that work with disabled children are amazing and doing work that deserves credit. I have never, in real life, heard anyone feel free to be this unapologetically terrible, and I really wish you could be outed.

"Annoyed". Okay. Its also annoying when NT kids grab toys, push, kick, hit, scream, ruin dinners, are annoying. Stuff they're out there doing on a regular basis. So, sure, feel free to be annoyed.

It has been said hundreds of times that nobody is allowing hitting, snatching, or scaring.

You seem realy agressive.
OP has stated that is's not a big deal if her kid hits, growls, annd spits on someone and that parents and their kids should essentially get over it.



Given your response you feel the same way.

I'm glad to know real professionals and know that this attidute is not the norm.

OP here - yeah, I never said this. Not once. You cut and paste where you think I said that and you can gi ahead and win the internet.

Parents were pissed off that I suggested maybe they could not create situations that are unnecessarily challenging for all children and in particular any child with special needs.

What is amazing to me is the lack of foresight you all have. Guarantee you every single parent on here is going to need to ask for tolerance or acceptance of their child at some point in time. I hope for your childrens' sakes you are met with more than you show.

You did OP.
You've probably forgotten but you did.
also thank you for outing yourself as the "therapist".
Personally, I think you started this entire thread to create drama and get your jollies from riling people up. , which you did succeed in doing that so congrats.

You go ahead and show me that. I am waiting.

And no, I am not the "therapist". There are actually people out there that work with children with special needs. They have a little more experience with all of this than you do. I know, its cray!

And no, no jollies. The intense fear and anger some parents have of children with special needs is hardly "jolly."

Oh, weird, You can't find it. Because it did not happen.

I actually think, having just re-read this thread, and how angry and defensive people got about my autistic son being in the world and being odd and my asking for tolerance, that this is a pretty great example of how deeply ingrained the intolerance is.

[Anonymous]

OP and SN teacher, you both deserve a nice cold beer today for everything you do in life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Having read through this entire thread in one go was entertaining and also extremely heartbreaking. I work with children with visible and invisible disabilities.
For those asking for specific examples of overaction:

1) At the pool, Child A said "we don't want to play with you anymore"- quote from a tv show as that is how A communicates. I moved away to give A space. Random parent starts talking loudly about disrespectful children and incompetent caregivers who don't 'nip that behavior in the bud"
2) At the playground, Child B is climbing up and down a structure. Other kids come over and hang out on various points preventing B from moving up or down. I politely ask them to give B a chance to get off as B is quickly becoming overwhelmed and near tears. Child moves, allowing me to remove B from the situation- parent of one of the kids yells at me for "letting B be a crybaby"
3) At the pool, Child C meltdowns while in the water. Lifeguards are aware of the children I work with and check with pre-arranged signals to see if I need assistance. I love Child C to a safe spot where C won't harm the self or others. Several parents remark "What is wrong with C?" "Kids like that shouldn't be at the pool"
4) In a restaurant, Child D is standing and stimming while eating a slice of pizza. Family specifically chose a table out of the way of others. Some kids laugh and point it out (nbd) and their parents say something to the effect of "yeah that's weird. I know you would never act so naughty".

I have also experienced times out with clients where I've been met with compassion and empathy by shop owners, parents, caregivers. But it is the instances of intolerance that sting because what looks like horrible behavior could be a child having a great day for them behavior wise--i.e. crying instead of lashing out and hitting , spinning instead of running. It is definitely not ok to just let kids do whatever, but I can certainly see where OP is coming from. Obviously everyone has their own challenges. The problem comes when the best thing for the child is to have a neutral or non-reaction and other people demand justice.
Child D spits on them self and on objects. At the park, D spat on the slide. Without assigning a value to it, D was instructed and assisted in cleaning and sanitizing the slide (wiping it with a Clorox wipe, drying it with a paper towel). Once it has been repaired, D is free to continue playing with an accommodation (a chew) and an acknowledgment that spit stays in their own mouth. That work is undone by a parent telling D "you're a disgusting little boy." "Spitting is wrong". I get that it's gross, but it done for the reaction and giving one because the plan doesn't fit your sense of correction, undoes a lot of work. I can understand OP's frustration if they are encountering that (undoing of hard earned progress) all the time.

Fascinating!

Now how do you respond when child A, B. C, orD snatches a toy from another kid, hits another kid, growls at another kid or spits on another kid?

Do you feel that in those situations particular the spitting the arent of the other child has a right to be annoyed?

I am sorry, why exactly are you being so sarcastic and aggressive here? You do realize these are disabled children, right? I mean, you need to get some perspective here. You truly do. Professionals that work with disabled children are amazing and doing work that deserves credit. I have never, in real life, heard anyone feel free to be this unapologetically terrible, and I really wish you could be outed.

"Annoyed". Okay. Its also annoying when NT kids grab toys, push, kick, hit, scream, ruin dinners, are annoying. Stuff they're out there doing on a regular basis. So, sure, feel free to be annoyed.

It has been said hundreds of times that nobody is allowing hitting, snatching, or scaring.

You seem realy agressive.
OP has stated that is's not a big deal if her kid hits, growls, annd spits on someone and that parents and their kids should essentially get over it.

Given your response you feel the same way.

I'm glad to know real professionals and know that this attidute is not the norm.

Yes, I am aggressively calling you out on making fun of working to help children with special needs. I assure you, you would get called out aggressively for doing that anywhere openly by normal people.

PP didn't make fun of kids with special needs at all. Like not even . If you got that out of what pp posted I question the validity of what you say you witnessed because your perception of reality is off.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Having read through this entire thread in one go was entertaining and also extremely heartbreaking. I work with children with visible and invisible disabilities.
For those asking for specific examples of overaction:

1) At the pool, Child A said "we don't want to play with you anymore"- quote from a tv show as that is how A communicates. I moved away to give A space. Random parent starts talking loudly about disrespectful children and incompetent caregivers who don't 'nip that behavior in the bud"
2) At the playground, Child B is climbing up and down a structure. Other kids come over and hang out on various points preventing B from moving up or down. I politely ask them to give B a chance to get off as B is quickly becoming overwhelmed and near tears. Child moves, allowing me to remove B from the situation- parent of one of the kids yells at me for "letting B be a crybaby"
3) At the pool, Child C meltdowns while in the water. Lifeguards are aware of the children I work with and check with pre-arranged signals to see if I need assistance. I love Child C to a safe spot where C won't harm the self or others. Several parents remark "What is wrong with C?" "Kids like that shouldn't be at the pool"
4) In a restaurant, Child D is standing and stimming while eating a slice of pizza. Family specifically chose a table out of the way of others. Some kids laugh and point it out (nbd) and their parents say something to the effect of "yeah that's weird. I know you would never act so naughty".

I have also experienced times out with clients where I've been met with compassion and empathy by shop owners, parents, caregivers. But it is the instances of intolerance that sting because what looks like horrible behavior could be a child having a great day for them behavior wise--i.e. crying instead of lashing out and hitting , spinning instead of running. It is definitely not ok to just let kids do whatever, but I can certainly see where OP is coming from. Obviously everyone has their own challenges. The problem comes when the best thing for the child is to have a neutral or non-reaction and other people demand justice.
Child D spits on them self and on objects. At the park, D spat on the slide. Without assigning a value to it, D was instructed and assisted in cleaning and sanitizing the slide (wiping it with a Clorox wipe, drying it with a paper towel). Once it has been repaired, D is free to continue playing with an accommodation (a chew) and an acknowledgment that spit stays in their own mouth. That work is undone by a parent telling D "you're a disgusting little boy." "Spitting is wrong". I get that it's gross, but it done for the reaction and giving one because the plan doesn't fit your sense of correction, undoes a lot of work. I can understand OP's frustration if they are encountering that (undoing of hard earned progress) all the time.

Fascinating!

Now how do you respond when child A, B. C, orD snatches a toy from another kid, hits another kid, growls at another kid or spits on another kid?

Do you feel that in those situations particular the spitting the arent of the other child has a right to be annoyed?

I am sorry, why exactly are you being so sarcastic and aggressive here? You do realize these are disabled children, right? I mean, you need to get some perspective here. You truly do. Professionals that work with disabled children are amazing and doing work that deserves credit. I have never, in real life, heard anyone feel free to be this unapologetically terrible, and I really wish you could be outed.

"Annoyed". Okay. Its also annoying when NT kids grab toys, push, kick, hit, scream, ruin dinners, are annoying. Stuff they're out there doing on a regular basis. So, sure, feel free to be annoyed.

It has been said hundreds of times that nobody is allowing hitting, snatching, or scaring.

You seem realy agressive.
OP has stated that is's not a big deal if her kid hits, growls, annd spits on someone and that parents and their kids should essentially get over it.

Given your response you feel the same way.

I'm glad to know real professionals and know that this attidute is not the norm.

OP here - yeah, I never said this. Not once. You cut and paste where you think I said that and you can gi ahead and win the internet.

Parents were pissed off that I suggested maybe they could not create situations that are unnecessarily challenging for all children and in particular any child with special needs.

What is amazing to me is the lack of foresight you all have. Guarantee you every single parent on here is going to need to ask for tolerance or acceptance of their child at some point in time. I hope for your childrens' sakes you are met with more than you show.

You did OP.
You've probably forgotten but you did.
also thank you for outing yourself as the "therapist".
Personally, I think you started this entire thread to create drama and get your jollies from riling people up. , which you did succeed in doing that so congrats.

You go ahead and show me that. I am waiting.

And no, I am not the "therapist". There are actually people out there that work with children with special needs. They have a little more experience with all of this than you do. I know, its cray!

And no, no jollies. The intense fear and anger some parents have of children with special needs is hardly "jolly."

That's correct you are not a therapist. You are just pretending to be one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Having read through this entire thread in one go was entertaining and also extremely heartbreaking. I work with children with visible and invisible disabilities.
For those asking for specific examples of overaction:

1) At the pool, Child A said "we don't want to play with you anymore"- quote from a tv show as that is how A communicates. I moved away to give A space. Random parent starts talking loudly about disrespectful children and incompetent caregivers who don't 'nip that behavior in the bud"
2) At the playground, Child B is climbing up and down a structure. Other kids come over and hang out on various points preventing B from moving up or down. I politely ask them to give B a chance to get off as B is quickly becoming overwhelmed and near tears. Child moves, allowing me to remove B from the situation- parent of one of the kids yells at me for "letting B be a crybaby"
3) At the pool, Child C meltdowns while in the water. Lifeguards are aware of the children I work with and check with pre-arranged signals to see if I need assistance. I love Child C to a safe spot where C won't harm the self or others. Several parents remark "What is wrong with C?" "Kids like that shouldn't be at the pool"
4) In a restaurant, Child D is standing and stimming while eating a slice of pizza. Family specifically chose a table out of the way of others. Some kids laugh and point it out (nbd) and their parents say something to the effect of "yeah that's weird. I know you would never act so naughty".

I have also experienced times out with clients where I've been met with compassion and empathy by shop owners, parents, caregivers. But it is the instances of intolerance that sting because what looks like horrible behavior could be a child having a great day for them behavior wise--i.e. crying instead of lashing out and hitting , spinning instead of running. It is definitely not ok to just let kids do whatever, but I can certainly see where OP is coming from. Obviously everyone has their own challenges. The problem comes when the best thing for the child is to have a neutral or non-reaction and other people demand justice.
Child D spits on them self and on objects. At the park, D spat on the slide. Without assigning a value to it, D was instructed and assisted in cleaning and sanitizing the slide (wiping it with a Clorox wipe, drying it with a paper towel). Once it has been repaired, D is free to continue playing with an accommodation (a chew) and an acknowledgment that spit stays in their own mouth. That work is undone by a parent telling D "you're a disgusting little boy." "Spitting is wrong". I get that it's gross, but it done for the reaction and giving one because the plan doesn't fit your sense of correction, undoes a lot of work. I can understand OP's frustration if they are encountering that (undoing of hard earned progress) all the time.

Fascinating!

Now how do you respond when child A, B. C, orD snatches a toy from another kid, hits another kid, growls at another kid or spits on another kid?

Do you feel that in those situations particular the spitting the arent of the other child has a right to be annoyed?

I am sorry, why exactly are you being so sarcastic and aggressive here? You do realize these are disabled children, right? I mean, you need to get some perspective here. You truly do. Professionals that work with disabled children are amazing and doing work that deserves credit. I have never, in real life, heard anyone feel free to be this unapologetically terrible, and I really wish you could be outed.

"Annoyed". Okay. Its also annoying when NT kids grab toys, push, kick, hit, scream, ruin dinners, are annoying. Stuff they're out there doing on a regular basis. So, sure, feel free to be annoyed.

It has been said hundreds of times that nobody is allowing hitting, snatching, or scaring.

You seem realy agressive.
OP has stated that is's not a big deal if her kid hits, growls, annd spits on someone and that parents and their kids should essentially get over it.

Given your response you feel the same way.

I'm glad to know real professionals and know that this attidute is not the norm.

Yes, I am aggressively calling you out on making fun of working to help children with special needs. I assure you, you would get called out aggressively for doing that anywhere openly by normal people.

PP didn't make fun of kids with special needs at all. Like not even . If you got that out of what pp posted I question the validity of what you say you witnessed because your perception of reality is off.

"Fascinating" is snarky and shitty and we all know it.